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VOTE: Implosion
because and implosion is dangerous like religious and as a fact religion likes to implode upon itself causing problems for so many innocents. It's completely illogical to vote anyone else. except maybe Axxle because he has two X's in his name and that means he is TWICE as lucky to be aligned with the devil which would put all of us innocent townies just trying to make a living in the "going to die" pile.
also I think claiming godfather would be fun. does that mean I get some henchman? Anyone want to claim to be my associates?! we can have a meeting! I'll bring the donuts! but leave me the maple glazed ones!
because and implosion is dangerous like religious and as a fact religion likes to implode upon itself causing problems for so many innocents. It's completely illogical to vote anyone else. except maybe Axxle because he has two X's in his name and that means he is TWICE as lucky to be aligned with the devil which would put all of us innocent townies just trying to make a living in the "going to die" pile.
also I think claiming godfather would be fun. does that mean I get some henchman? Anyone want to claim to be my associates?! we can have a meeting! I'll bring the donuts! but leave me the maple glazed ones!
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exactly!! one cross is religious! two crosses means that you are secretly trying to APPEAR religious when you really aren't!!! I'm on to you!! you can't escape from me!!!!In post 34, Axxle wrote:@bacde: you felt just as worried having early pressure on you as jargo but are calling it a scum tell.
@levi: the two x's are two crosses.
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really? =P you didn't know that? =PIn post 35, Bacde wrote:Is being aligned with the devil the equivalent of being scum in this game? I didn't know thatIn post 33, leviathan93 wrote:TWICE as lucky to be aligned with the devil
Vote: Leviathan93
what's the opposite of God?
the devil
Is God good in this game?
Yes
Is the opposite of Good, Evil?
Yes
Does this make the devil Evil by the mathematical property of transitions or something like that?
Yes
Thus making the devil Evil. =P so yes. devil is evil. =P
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I was under the assumption that we are all various religions with various churches either trying to convert each other like a "cult" or to eventually find a mafia if there is any.
I don't know if there is an actual "devil" in the game. but usually God is seen as good and and not evil. =P so i'm under the assumption that God is good. =P and since the devil is opposite we need to kill the devil among us! (regardless if they are an actual devil or not). =P
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In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote:I'm saying my vote on Levi just moved from a random vote to a real one.
His use of the word devil is very specific, and egocentric at that. All you judeo-christians are all the same you know. Our God is the best, down with the Devil. Its like you never ever consider a religion that has different beliefs as your own as being legitimate.
All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.
The funny thing is that i'm neither judeo nor christian! =D
It is not just an American cultural thing dude. =P The devil in every culture minus the satanic worshiping and things like that believe the devil and any other name he/she may have is "bad" =P
It is a natural assumption that this game follows those same principles. though personally I believe there is no devil to begin with. =P it is a turn of phrase. =P if religion is IN THE HOUSE than at SOME point the devil will be brought up for some reason. =)
I just decided that person be me! =D after all, I AM mafia god father. =)
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at this point, why does anyone have any more reason to be scum than anyone else?In post 57, Bacde wrote:Is jargonaut more likely to be scum than leviathan?In post 47, implosion wrote:Or rather i think leviathan is town.
I know we are in the process of discovering this, but in all honesty it is EXTREMELY early to be placing such "for sure" votes.
i'm still messing around here.
currently only Messiah has me "guaranteed" in his sights as be full on scum. which is worth looking in to.
@Messiah, how, as you put it, did I "super scum slip"? and WHY would that BE a scum slip in the first place?
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It's ok bob, at least you are not a conformist PIG!!In post 76, Bicephalous Bob wrote:I'm offended.In post 73, AngryPidgeon wrote:Bob seems to be doing his own thing
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In post 100, Untrod Tripod wrote:
hmmm...so something seems different here. How did I end up with the double vote upon me? does Messiah Complex have it? Bacde? hmm...
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I have been or are you just not paying attention. =PIn post 103, AngryPidgeon wrote:Seriously though Leviathan, I need you to start being useful. If you wanna be townread for trolling, you gotta mix actual content in their. Otherwise you're just scum coasting.
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I strongly doubt there even IS a "devil" or mafia team in this game. To me it seems all about your own church and lynching those who aren't in your church or eventually converting everyone to BE in your church.
there was nothing even remotely anything in the flavor saying that there was a "bad guy" of sorts. =/
there was nothing even remotely anything in the flavor saying that there was a "bad guy" of sorts. =/
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I have. you guys seriously must not be reading what i have been saying. =/In post 113, Bacde wrote:No you havent dude, get with itIn post 108, leviathan93 wrote:I have been or are you just not paying attention. =PIn post 103, AngryPidgeon wrote:Seriously though Leviathan, I need you to start being useful. If you wanna be townread for trolling, you gotta mix actual content in their. Otherwise you're just scum coasting.
yes i'm a clown. yes, I have stuff to say. none of it is meant to be thrown away. it may not HAVE to be taken to heart, but i say what i say for a reason. =/
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here is where I explained my reasoning for using the word "devil"In post 44, leviathan93 wrote:I was under the assumption that we are all various religions with various churches either trying to convert each other like a "cult" or to eventually find a mafia if there is any.
I don't know if there is an actual "devil" in the game. but usually God is seen as good and and not evil. =P so i'm under the assumption that God is good. =P and since the devil is opposite we need to kill the devil among us! (regardless if they are an actual devil or not). =P
Messiah did not like this reasoning and is still voting me because of it. ok. It is pointless to try to convince others you are town in this game. the only way to convince others is either to point the finger at someone else for a good reason or have a person with a special ability who FINDS out your alignment and is on the same side as you help you.
put the votes on me. I'm still looking at potentials. I still believe it is too early for a for sure vote.
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your posts reaction to this i understand but confuses me.In post 117, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 115, leviathan93 wrote:I strongly doubt there even IS a "devil" or mafia team in this game
Apparently i'm the one the spot light is on for using the word devil and and that "apparently" is a scumslip.
Thus my continued use of the word, you say is "dumb". I could care less about my use of it. I have nothing to hide.
To any attacking me for this stupid reason I am viewing as most likely to be scum. It is making a big deal out of nothing.
which I think we can all agree is a scum trait.
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Wait what makes you say the churches are trying to lynch each other?[/quote]In post 115, leviathan93 wrote:I strongly doubt there even IS a "devil" or mafia team in this game. To me it seems all about your own church and lynching those who aren't in your church or eventually converting everyone to BE in your church.
there was nothing even remotely anything in the flavor saying that there was a "bad guy" of sorts. =/
I think it is logical to assume that two churches will not be the winner in the outcome of this game.
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Then apparently you have never played a game of mafia where there HASN'T been mafia. That's you not having the practical experience in games like that. not my problem.In post 123, AngryPidgeon wrote:No, Im completely baffled that you don't think there is a mafia team in a game of MAFIA.In post 121, leviathan93 wrote:Apparently i'm the one the spot light is on for using the word devil and and that "apparently" is a scumslip.
Thus my continued use of the word, you say is "dumb". I could care less about my use of it. I have nothing to hide.
Im left to conclude that maybe you are on that team and think that saying this will make people think you arent.
think of me as scum or don't. =P If you do, I'd just prefer if you claim to be town if you to have a worthwhile reason too. unless you are scum trying to push me to the noose. =P if so, continue along with your actions. =P
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again. =P false. The town and scum win conditions are the same in every game of mafia. =P
"You win when all threats to mafia are destroyed" : scum win condition
You win when all threats to town are destroyed" : town win condition.
that is a stupid argument. come back with a better one please.
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aren't cults not town?In post 128, Bacde wrote:If theres no mafia then who is the threat to the town
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well yes. but then there wouldn't BE a game in the first place. =PIn post 132, Messiah Complex wrote:except for that bit at the end about eliminating all threats to the townIn post 115, leviathan93 wrote:I strongly doubt there even IS a "devil" or mafia team in this game. To me it seems all about your own church and lynching those who aren't in your church or eventually converting everyone to BE in your church.
there was nothing even remotely anything in the flavor saying that there was a "bad guy" of sorts. =/
I meant WHO the enemy would be. like a mafia, or cult, werewolf, serial killer, etc.
yes, there are opposing factions. which would make them enemies. i agree with that.
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Because I don't know what he was converted TOO.In post 135, Bacde wrote:Why arent you voting ap then, who claimed he was convertedIn post 130, leviathan93 wrote:I am under the impression they aren't. an apparently someone was just converted so I see cults (under the name churches) as the enemy.
Your thoughts dont match up to your actions
I am under the impression that there are multiple churches judging by what my role pm says. Without claiming anything because i'm not on the ropes yet. and I won't unless I am.
there could be multiple town churches and its churches against cults or something.
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no I think churches are town and there either may be "bad churches" or cults of some kind.In post 138, Messiah Complex wrote:so you think all the churches are individual cults (that all have town win conditions)In post 130, leviathan93 wrote:I am under the impression they aren't. an apparently someone was just converted so I see cults (under the name churches) as the enemy.
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are you saying that anytime someone is converted they are scummy?In post 135, Bacde wrote:Why arent you voting ap then, who claimed he was convertedIn post 130, leviathan93 wrote:I am under the impression they aren't. an apparently someone was just converted so I see cults (under the name churches) as the enemy.
Your thoughts dont match up to your actions
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lol, or what? =P if you haven't believed me up until this point, what's the likelihood you'd believe me after I talked? =P because it would help town? false. it would hurt town. because you would lynch me anyway.In post 144, Messiah Complex wrote:levi you might have as little as five minutes to live
i suggest you start talking
Fine, whatever. put me at L-1 and I will talk. if I get hammered immediately or people jump on the wagon then you will have your lynch for the next day. =P
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i couldn't care less if you are kidding or not. my problem is more the fact that you have bullshit reasons on me more than anything or you just want to lynch me because you don't like my play style.
I just have one thing to say.
Deal with it. or lynch me because of your emotions rather than actively pursuing the anti-town factions.
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I don't think I ever said that unless I said the two churches would be at odds. All I know is the church I am a part of. apparently you can be converted.
so that makes me think different churches exist. or even cults which I classify as "evil churches" basically. I am not apart of a cult.
I know I am a part of a church. However, I do not have a Private topic. so i don't know what that means. i am not the leader. and someone knows who I am and my alignment but I do not know who.
so that makes me think different churches exist. or even cults which I classify as "evil churches" basically. I am not apart of a cult.
I know I am a part of a church. However, I do not have a Private topic. so i don't know what that means. i am not the leader. and someone knows who I am and my alignment but I do not know who.
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actually, my ability is that i can't be converted or change alignments. =D so NOPE no traitor. =DIn post 156, Messiah Complex wrote:sounds a lot like a traitor to me
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I already answered that question. =P lol.In post 157, Klazam wrote:Im comfortable with that vote. note this post:
Levithan responds to all the other questions and conveniently skips this one.In post 136, Messiah Complex wrote:our role pm doesn't say jack shit all about other churchesIn post 122, leviathan93 wrote:I think it is logical to assume that two churches will not be the winner in the outcome of this game.
why do you think this is a logical assumption?
PEdit, okay look at this following bit:
"two churches will not be the winner in the outcome of this game."
What in your role suggests this?
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If people want proof then the groups who can convert, try converting me and watch it fail.
sure then.
1st. I got my church
2nd. I got my win condition. i may just say it now. =/ i am town. so "I will win when all threats to town are eliminated"
3rd. I see I can't be converted or change alignments because I am too devout.
4th. I am told someone knows me. but i don't know them.
5th. I assumed that by use of the word "converted" there are either other churches out there (good or bad) or cults (plain bad)
6th. this lead me to continue to assume that if there ARE other churches that churches can be town and thus "good guys" (not all churches are inherently bad)
7th. OR i thought of the possibility that it is a free for all for the churches. trying to convert and kill each other so that only ONE church remains, thus my "two churches cannot win" because "there can only be ONE highlander".
sure then.
1st. I got my church
2nd. I got my win condition. i may just say it now. =/ i am town. so "I will win when all threats to town are eliminated"
3rd. I see I can't be converted or change alignments because I am too devout.
4th. I am told someone knows me. but i don't know them.
5th. I assumed that by use of the word "converted" there are either other churches out there (good or bad) or cults (plain bad)
6th. this lead me to continue to assume that if there ARE other churches that churches can be town and thus "good guys" (not all churches are inherently bad)
7th. OR i thought of the possibility that it is a free for all for the churches. trying to convert and kill each other so that only ONE church remains, thus my "two churches cannot win" because "there can only be ONE highlander".
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I have no idea. either UT never sent me a link for one or I don't know where to go to find it. =/ I wasn't even told who my leader was if that is a thing.In post 168, Jargonaut wrote:Levi, how do you know you are in a church if you have no PT?
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in a way, I guess so. but maybe churches are town and IF mafia are in this. then THEY are the enemy to all the churches and blah blah blah.In post 175, Jargonaut wrote:Doesn't this contradict what you said about Churches being against each other?In post 173, leviathan93 wrote: 2nd. I got my win condition. i may just say it now. =/ i am town. so "I will win when all threats to town are eliminated"
honestly, i am so confused over the detail of the flavor that I have no idea what i'm looking for other than Non town people... =/
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cool. ill check that out.In post 176, Jargonaut wrote:Oh, and you have to go the the private topics board to see your church. You can find it from the main page I think
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Might as well I guess. =/In post 181, AngryPidgeon wrote:So what was your character's name?
Martin Luther King Jr. I'm black.
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because I have no idea whether other churches are threats or not. Are there bad churches? are they good churches? I doubt my church is the only one. so is it churches fighting each other? or another group coming in to destroy all the churches?In post 180, Klazam wrote:How did you make the jump from "you win when all threats to town are eliminated" to THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!! highlander style melee?
I HAVE NO CLUE!
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really? he was a pastor and leader of his own church. it may have been of christianity but still. a religious figure.In post 184, Klazam wrote:... and how is MLK a religious figure?
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I pm tripod about it. I got it now! he forgot, i'm guessing. =PIn post 191, AngryPidgeon wrote:Did you find your church PT Levi? Or do you not have one?
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sounds about a right analysis to me. =) that pretty much sums me up! minus the newer player bit. =P i'm just bad at the American language! It sucks balls!In post 202, BipolarChemist wrote:I read his stuff and I feel like I'm reading a newer players posts. Shit's awkward, half assed put together and frankly pretty funny to watch. I just don't see scum being as careless as levi is being.
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wait really? you can't recruit me and I'm town.In post 208, AngryPidgeon wrote:UNVOTE:
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I couldnt recruit you which means you are scum.
also are people really recruiting this fast.
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How does anyone KNOW if someone is playing a town or scum wincon? the point is we DON'T!
both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.
yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.
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both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.
yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.
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the vote is pretty much unrelated to everything except the last part. The reason why this pertains to Messiah more in the first place to everyone else is because he pushed the reasoning harder than everything else and the reasoning was shit to begin with. He was making something out of nothing and I believe that to be scummy.In post 243, Jargonaut wrote:Why does what you said imply that Messiah Complex is scum more than anyone else?In post 233, leviathan93 wrote:How does anyone KNOW if someone is playing a town or scum wincon? the point is we DON'T!
both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.
yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.
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I doubt he has the ability. If he did, he would have used it by now. especially on me. judging by the fact that he or "they" still think i'm incredibly guilty.In post 256, Messiah Complex wrote:it might still become a thing later but it is no longer a thingIn post 252, Bacde wrote:What happened to messiah dayvigging levi, is that still a thing?
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this is also wrong. I unvoted axxle and should be on messiahIn post 258, Untrod Tripod wrote:
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lol, I have no doubt you do wish that.In post 271, Messiah Complex wrote:trust me dude, i wish you were way beyond rigor mortis right now but alasIn post 266, leviathan93 wrote:I doubt he has the ability. If he did, he would have used it by now. especially on me. judging by the fact that he or "they" still think i'm incredibly guilty.
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said a person who could be scum just like any other. =P you do know saying things like that seem incredibly fake right? =PIn post 274, Bacde wrote:Ok good idea lets just let town lose
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challenge accepted! but not now. i see messiah more scummy than you are normally. for the most part I see you as town, i just was quizzical at why you would say such a randomly scummy thing and end your all town read for me. =PIn post 291, Bacde wrote:Then lynch me and ill be confirmed townIn post 277, leviathan93 wrote:said a person who could be scum just like any other. =P you do know saying things like that seem incredibly fake right? =PIn post 274, Bacde wrote:Ok good idea lets just let town lose
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awww!! Thanks man!! God knows all!! =DIn post 283, Lord God wrote:I can back you up. He is town. Word of Me.In post 234, AngryPidgeon wrote:This is too dumb to be scum, right? right?!? Come on this has to be town. This cant be mafia. ITs just too scummy. Its just too wow. Its town? I mean the words it says and the opinions it has. Its just gotta be? Someone back me up here?In post 233, leviathan93 wrote:How does anyone KNOW if someone is playing a town or scum wincon? the point is we DON'T!
both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.
yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.
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I actually agree with this assumption and would be ok with a Jargo lynch as of right now.In post 311, Bacde wrote:Meh I'm cool with lynching jargo too, I feel like he has no interest in the answers to his questions, he just feels obligated to ask
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A "GOOD" scum would almost know better. Especially judging by the fact that he said it and then just left and hasn't pretty much posted anything.
He would either be incredibly stupid scum or town in my opinion and I tend to be under the assumption that people are smart when they play this game. I do not believe there are many "easy" tells or shortcuts to winning this game as either alignment. and that it is naturally harder for scum because there are fewer of them compared to town.
He would either be incredibly stupid scum or town in my opinion and I tend to be under the assumption that people are smart when they play this game. I do not believe there are many "easy" tells or shortcuts to winning this game as either alignment. and that it is naturally harder for scum because there are fewer of them compared to town.
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I actually completely agree with this.In post 330, AngryPidgeon wrote:Lets see. There is a complete and utter lack of anything that looks like genuine town thought process in his ISO which is disturbing for him at this juncture.In post 327, leviathan93 wrote:Also @pidgeon, why do you think bipolar chemist is so scummy? i've currently thought he was nullish.
Look guys I meta's Leviathan!!In post 199, BipolarChemist wrote:Tsk tsk, AP. Assuming I don't do background research before asking someone to do something!
Horse shit. Hes so uninvested in this game that he made this post in an attempt to buddy up to me:Then there is this gem:In post 159, BipolarChemist wrote:You people are weird. My church is the best, gosh. We may be few put we are powerful! I think, I don't really know, I haven't been paying attention.
AP, you seem nice, catch me up.
UNVOTE: APThat Bacde read is actually terrible. Its like hes -trying- to be stream of thought about it, but its just a little dash of IIoA and nothing about it tells me that hes actually read a singular bacde post. Bacde is certainly NOT someone in this game that its acceptable to have an "IDK my BFF JIll" read on right now.In post 210, BipolarChemist wrote:Bacde is a big I don't know for me! His posts are pretty null, he's asking some questions, seems to be on an okay track, but nothing really concrete.
MC: I did look! And I said what I saw. Maybe you need to take a look again, I just can't see him being scum after his posts today.
AP: Nah, my church can't be converted while I'm alive. I'm pretty important, yo.
Despite me being a confirmed/known troll, he seemingly recognizes that Im claiming a guilty on him and doesnt bother to do what all the town aligned players did (question why I tohugh not-recruitable = scum) and instead just tries to get me off of his nuts in the quickest way possible without bothering to try and determine if Im town/scum/3rd-party-lyncher etc. ITs scummy.
And then he follows it up with a "QQ you made me out my role" which is just an attempt to look opinionated and townie and certainly doesnt match with him tripping over himself to spill his role info despite my post being out of place and everyone else picking up on that.
especially regarding the meta-ing of me. I usually highly doubt that players REALLY do that, unless they are SUPER invested in a game which since most people play multiple I usually doubt it completely.
I do see that as a bit to buddy up to you.
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I'm solid with your reasoning and stand strong behind it.
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of course you faked it. =P it hasn't been night yet and I highly doubt you either are a fake cop or know something pregame. =PIn post 360, AngryPidgeon wrote:Im a little surprised people didn't realize I was faking a GUILTY on BPC and that somehow that needed more explanation on my end. I mean ya my original post was a little vague, but that was obviously part of the intent. I thought that got cleared up pretty fast.
Bacde, I am SO NKing you tonight.
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This could either be lazy town or scum. (well DUH!) but still. =PIn post 177, Quill wrote:I'm really thrilled that this Leviathan thing will allegedly be getting resolved one way or another shortly so I don't have to sit down and try and parse out all the crazy.
I wanted to say more but there really isn't much more to talk about yet, is there? I guess I can say that I'm not townreading anyone yet, including AP and Messiah Complex, but that's really more erring on the side of caution than actually thinking anything of theirs is leaning scum. From what I've seen in person and skimmed from other games, they're too good to trust at this point.
I can see that his "not wanting to deal with the levi situation" is not very town-like. town would rip me apart as I was "if those people are town that is" given the situation that happened. not putting input into that does not seem town-like. Town want to find scum. keeping information, because of laziness or not is scummy.
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not really. He made that post saying quill was "cool". that's pretty random, but whatever.In post 363, AngryPidgeon wrote:Levi, do you have a read on Bisexual Bob?
he said I was town, but then again scum would know so he could be lying, but still not good enough reason for me.
his vote on axxle naturally seems weird since he never gave a reason unless he was using other peoples reasons. regardless he didn't he make a point that he was using other people's reasons to vote him. a little lean scummy. but still not a major reason.
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I actually am really sad that this isn't possible for me to see. =PIn post 365, AngryPidgeon wrote:If Leviathan is scum, I will actually do that thing I told Kagami I'd do if he flipped town (and did). Chug an entire bottle of wine without stopping and post the youtube video in thread.In post 364, leviathan93 wrote:This could either be lazy town or scum. (well DUH!) but still. =P
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If you want to lynch him, I will hammer, but I don't see the point unless he gets lynched.In post 378, Bacde wrote:Levi, will you pretty please vote quill with a cherry on top?
Ap, stop trying to bus bob and just keep bussing quill
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lol. I highly doubt any of us currently understand the game, especially YOU so anyone could be a "safe" day 1 lynch as you put it. =PIn post 436, Quill wrote:Okay, cool. There's a wagon on me. Do you have any reason for it other than me not being around to defend myself against it? My stance on Leviathan hasn't changed: I think their flailing might be town, but their inability to initially understand the game makes me think they'd be a safe D1 lynch. I haven't commented on anything else other than Axxel, but that was because I deliberately chose to only focus on one thing in my initial entry and hadn't had a chance to do more than skim when I reentered today. So to me, there isn't that much about the wagon to discuss. Unless I'm willfully ignoring something important in particular?
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Also Quill. saying i'm "probably not scum" yet desiring to lynch me anyone is NOT town-like at all. Also how am I flaily? =P
I'm not flailing at all and I haven't this entire game. Lynch me, pressure me, do whatever, it won't change my play style. =P If you look at my meta for all my games it's pretty much the same exact thing. Mostly when i'm town I get lynched early. =P
I'm not flailing at all and I haven't this entire game. Lynch me, pressure me, do whatever, it won't change my play style. =P If you look at my meta for all my games it's pretty much the same exact thing. Mostly when i'm town I get lynched early. =P
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^^ even I knew that. =PIn post 493, Bacde wrote:I dont make tone arguments
The nilla unrecruitable thing was just me trolling
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In post 468, Quill wrote:I mean, your posts in the first ten pages of this game are all over the place, and they get more so once you start racking up votes and Messiah fakedayvigs you. They have gotten more coherent of late, but this remains an issue of policy lynching Day 1 versus putting my vote on a wagon that I'm not as sure of and doesn't have as much town benefit. I obviously want to lynch people I think are probably scum more than people who might be town, but on Day 1, without any flips or night action reveals, I've got to triage and compromise a bit.In post 443, leviathan93 wrote:Also Quill. saying i'm "probably not scum" yet desiring to lynch me anyone is NOT town-like at all. Also how am I flaily? =P
I'm not flailing at all and I haven't this entire game. Lynch me, pressure me, do whatever, it won't change my play style. =P If you look at my meta for all my games it's pretty much the same exact thing. Mostly when i'm town I get lynched early. =P
So beginning game IS me all over the place. but it's not flaily at all. that makes it seem like its not on purpose. It WAS on purpose and technically everyone else seems MORE flail-y than I do. I barely change my votes, I say things like it is, and I do not care whether I am viewed as town or scum. =P I give the information that I feel needs to be given and said. HOW is that flail-y? =P
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You seem to care how you're viewed enough to announce what non-flaily things you did instead of letting us come to that conclusion ourselves. And you were definitely flaily on what you thought about the setup.[/quote]leviathan93 wrote:So beginning game IS me all over the place. but it's not flaily at all. that makes it seem like its not on purpose. It WAS on purpose and technically everyone else seems MORE flail-y than I do.I barely change my votes, I say things like it is, and I do not care whether I am viewed as town or scum. =P I give the information that I feel needs to be given and said.HOW is that flail-y? =P
its not that I care, it's just that you guys never would have reached that conclusion unless I said it. =P
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lol, ok. =P good thing i'm town then! =)In post 507, Quill wrote:Your response to Messiah's dayvig threat was to throw out as much random chaos as possible on the offchance some of it would save you. But I don't know what to think on this anymore. Every time you pop back into the thread you seem more put-together, which is great if you're town but terrible if you're scum.In post 496, leviathan93 wrote:In post 468, Quill wrote:I mean, your posts in the first ten pages of this game are all over the place, and they get more so once you start racking up votes and Messiah fakedayvigs you. They have gotten more coherent of late, but this remains an issue of policy lynching Day 1 versus putting my vote on a wagon that I'm not as sure of and doesn't have as much town benefit. I obviously want to lynch people I think are probably scum more than people who might be town, but on Day 1, without any flips or night action reveals, I've got to triage and compromise a bit.In post 443, leviathan93 wrote:Also Quill. saying i'm "probably not scum" yet desiring to lynch me anyone is NOT town-like at all. Also how am I flaily? =P
I'm not flailing at all and I haven't this entire game. Lynch me, pressure me, do whatever, it won't change my play style. =P If you look at my meta for all my games it's pretty much the same exact thing. Mostly when i'm town I get lynched early. =P
So beginning game IS me all over the place. but it's not flaily at all. that makes it seem like its not on purpose. It WAS on purpose and technically everyone else seems MORE flail-y than I do. I barely change my votes, I say things like it is, and I do not care whether I am viewed as town or scum. =P I give the information that I feel needs to be given and said. HOW is that flail-y? =P
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seriously. I think we are beyond RVS at this point. =PIn post 521, Klazam wrote:^ especially since you don't mention LG even once in your iso, axxle
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i made it for a prod dodge and to show that i'm reading but not mentally able to respond in an effective manner.
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I have had a strong town feeling from angry pidgeon.
big talker, seemingly confident, willing to stand by reads. this could be a scum ploy, but nah. i'm leaning town.
lord god, town.
bacde, ehh. null with a small dent leaning scum, because of a few of his earlier posts in the day that didn't sit right with me. but this could also be that between the battle of him and angry pidgeon i'd side with pidgeon.
bcp. I'd have preferred his death over Bob's.
klazam, I can see as scum now giving more of his absence from the thread and not putting much input or help or anything.
jargonaut. eh. null.
so major scum vote at the moment is
VOTE: klazam
big talker, seemingly confident, willing to stand by reads. this could be a scum ploy, but nah. i'm leaning town.
lord god, town.
bacde, ehh. null with a small dent leaning scum, because of a few of his earlier posts in the day that didn't sit right with me. but this could also be that between the battle of him and angry pidgeon i'd side with pidgeon.
bcp. I'd have preferred his death over Bob's.
klazam, I can see as scum now giving more of his absence from the thread and not putting much input or help or anything.
jargonaut. eh. null.
so major scum vote at the moment is
VOTE: klazam
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In post 666, Jargonaut wrote:Klazam, would you elaborate on your AP read?
Why did you want to point this out?In post 640, leviathan93 wrote:First of all I want to point out that MC once i saw that he was town was the best kill for last night. he WAS too obvious in a way. a perfect kill since all the rest of us are struggling and fighting over each other. =/
because i was hoping to make people aware of it. he was a classic mafia kill "if" he was not mafia himself.
yes we were kind of at each other's throats in a way, but that's because regardless of other people's input i thought he was scum, because of the way he was leading the thread.
others saw him as obvi town. which since i was pretty much the loner "not" seeing him a town, scum is likely to desire to kill him outright. especially the way he was very efficient and productive as a townie. scum wants that out of the way.
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Excuse ME!!?!? HE has a NAME you know!!!!! I would prefer you to respect him at least THAT much!In post 683, AngryPidgeon wrote:Its not you its me. My parents are in town and Im just edgy.
(You are still a blasphemous heathen though, probably worshiping Satan with Leviathan)
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what? i'm defending myself? i don't have a need to defend myself today you are right.In post 758, Jargonaut wrote:Levi, you seem to be defending yourself against an argument that no one made. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the NK making you look scummy today, so why would you need to defend yourself?
Both Klazam and BPC get town points. I'll iso Abel later when I get the chance.
oh. and reading the thread. I like klazam now. just saying.
but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
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If Messiah was town, I feel very unlikely that abelcain is town as well.
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i do not think i'm familiar with neighborizer. Currently, I know to go to my win con, but as people as pointed out to me on day 1, "there IS a threat to town"In post 766, Klazam wrote:In post 765, leviathan93 wrote:but then again, I am SUPER confused about how this game is supposed to work. everyone is recruiting everyone else, does that mean their alignment changes?
No, I believe its a neighborizer type of game, which is cool
is neighborizer where you can recruit someone, but they still may be scum so it is as if you are talking to them and think they are on your side but in actuality they are not? =P
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Ha! "I get that reference!" =D ------Steve Jobs! wait...or was it Steve Buschemi?? no no... definitely Steve Jobs... hmm...or Steve someone else? OHHHHHH Steve Rogers!!!!!!In post 801, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 765, leviathan93 wrote:but then again, I am SUPER confused about how this game is supposed to work. everyone is recruiting everyone else, does that mean their alignment changes?
CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D
lol.
also. Abelcain currently is at the top of my scumlist. judging and going through everyone else. I see him to be the scummiest comparatively. =P unless someone would rather me change my vote to them. I don't see what there should be complaints about. =P
It ain't a matter of popularity. it is a matter of biggest scum read considering his day 1 play.
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i'm trying to ignore and NOT answer it. =PIn post 815, Jargonaut wrote:Levi answer this please =pIn post 772, Jargonaut wrote:Why?In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
VOTE: Leviathan
Nothing particularly town came from him day 1, and his recent preemptive defensiveness and unexplained flip flop on Abel are giving me the jibblies.
lol. and well, because nothing really came from him day 1 but what DID come from him screamed weird town. and looking back on that, i don't really know if I find it extremely genuine.
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yeah. Jargo don't seem like no town folk. just saying. and this post don't seem like no town motivation. =PIn post 822, Bacde wrote:Can we lynch levi? Jargo is absolutely right about levi having no town motivation at all, and I agree that jargo is definitely town. We are obviously both a bit paranoid of eqch other AP so it makes sense for both of us to sheep a mutual townread
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because i'm already voting my higher scum read. =P duh. =P lol. not that complicated.In post 825, Bacde wrote:Why arent you voting me if i dont have town motivation?
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you are currently leaning towards it, but i'm not one to jump to conclusions and definitely aren't my top pick. =PIn post 832, Bacde wrote:So am I a scum read for you Levi?
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I reached it independently, but LG's reasoning kind of helps support it.In post 849, Jargonaut wrote:UNVOTE: levi
One last question, is your reason the result of hearing LG's reason, or did you arrive at the conclusion independently?
I'm not sure about quill, though. I need to go over {implo, quill, axxle} ISOs again because their day 1s are hazy and their day 2s are relatively nonexistent. Of the three I mentioned at the start of the day, axxle was the worst, so I could see myself lynching him.
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lol, I was thinking you were referring to my vote on abelcain and that lord god supported it as well and you were wondering if i reached the conclusion to vote for him myself or from lord god. =PIn post 858, Jargonaut wrote:Wait what? What question did you think I was asking you? (I wasn't)
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because I'm right!In post 886, Jargonaut wrote:AP, why are you tempted to sheep Levi?
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the fact that you claim town. =P you basically would be a mafia vanillalizer. =P that seems about right.In post 953, Axxle wrote:What part seemed fake?In post 950, leviathan93 wrote:yeah, Axxle's claim is definitely fake or overexaggerated. honestly its probably scum. lets lynch him now and then his Buddy AP!
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could be scum together. bussing partners. happens all the time. =) the taking off his vote seemed hella sketch.In post 956, Jargonaut wrote:I'm not sold on Axxle's reasoning as far as AP goes.
Levi, why do you think AP is scum if you think Axxle's reasoning is bad?
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i'm not convinced either. its most likely scum but just a using his "vanillalizer" as town. he should be lynched.In post 966, Jargonaut wrote:I'd consider implo, but I'm not convinced that Axxle is town just because he claimed, and I'm not really feeling AP as scum. I'm still happy lynching Axxle today.
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but you COULD be bussing BPC and KNOW he is scum and then when he flips we WON'T lynch you and then you win because he is your scum buddy. =P BOOM! game solved!In post 983, AngryPidgeon wrote:Heh. Well if my hacky attempts to characterize BPC's personality and dive into the one spoiler post he made and determine who his buddies are based off how he talks about people are accurate, its BPC, Leviathan, Klazam scumteam. Lol. And ofc assuming Im right about BPC. I really do think Im right about BPC though. Can we just lynch him Today? And if we are determined to mislynch hilariously obvious town, we can lynch me and then ignore the fact that Messiah was voting BPC (cause only AP would want to NK him and ignore that AP thought BPc was scum (cause AP wsa lynched rather than NKd)? That'd be fantastic.
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because i'm town as fuck and will get killed during the night. =PIn post 985, AngryPidgeon wrote:General question to anyone saying I killed Messiah: why would Levi or BPC not make sense for that? You know. The people that Messiah was actually scum reading?
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and if he IS and it doesn't! then i'm confirmed even MORE town. =PIn post 990, Bacde wrote:God i hope this scum flips aligned with the devil because then levi is TOAST
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yep! but i made it to day 2 this time so maybe i can survive!! =DIn post 998, AngryPidgeon wrote:LEvi we both know you always get lynched D1 and flip Town Cop when you are actually town. =P
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actually that's probably half true. =PIn post 1001, Bacde wrote:Levi no scum in their right minds would ever kill you
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In post 1069, Bacde wrote:Oh HELL NO
vote angrypidgeon
Angrypidgeon and mastin2 are scum together, i guarantee it
Lynch me right fucking now and lynch angrypidgeon tomorrow no questions asked
that doesn't sound like a good idea. =P
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but like are you REALLY sure? if so i'd follow this beam of light.In post 1070, Bacde wrote:Lord god im sorry about muddling up this game, but i just got hit by a beam of light andI GUARANTEE ANGRYPIDGEON AND MASTIN2 ARE SCUM
I will spam this until either i or angrypidgeon is lynched
Angrypidgeon, welcome to 1v1
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wouldn't that guarantee he is town?In post 1255, Klazam wrote:Axxle meeds to talk with the mod about what the hell happened.
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yeah, i'm town. lynch me, and we lynch you next. nice try.In post 1262, Bacde wrote:Are we collectively over the whole "levi is town" phase or can we lynch him yet?
vote bipolarchemist
Because not doing what i day im gonna do and sheeping angrypidgeon are my two favorite things
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this seems like really poor reasoning. mastin has played many games. that seems like an incredibly beginner scumtell and this makes it look like you are fishing for any reason to lynch her.In post 1274, BipolarChemist wrote:Sorry about the cryptic question. It confirmed something for me and my PT partner.
I'm like 95% sure AP is town, knowing who he bussed. AP, you can figure out how I know, I'm sure you can, but I don't wanna give away too much!
Mastin unsettles me in her posts. She gives reads then just say "No no don't listen, they're bad reads." It feels as thought she could be scum just rambling on making it look like she's actually posting. Not sure I'm willing to vote her over Axxle though.
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well, technically klazam COULD be scum. =P but not with me. =PIn post 1288, mastin2 wrote:Yes. Thus why I said I'm likely in a scum religion.In post 1233, Jargonaut wrote:Mastin, didn't you/AbelCain recruit Quill? You can't be in the same church, can you?
Meh, Klaz can be scum with levitown.In post 1264, Klazam wrote:Im still not moving my vote anywhere except bacde or AP. Whoever has more votes has my votes, and that's the way it will be today. I'm not interested in lynching anyone else.
Not lynching Bacde.
Would prefer not lynching AP until I actually lock down a read.
(It's back to leaning scum btw. 1286 pinged, and the list in 1287 and whole handling doesn't seem like town-AP.)
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UNVOTE:
i want to see bacde's town crier ability proven. therefore i do not believe he should be the lynch. if he dies during the night at least we have that and have the ability to lynch another potential scum.
I guess I could go implosion
if either lord god are klazam are scum or both, i will be feeling very used. =/
VOTE: implosion
i want to see bacde's town crier ability proven. therefore i do not believe he should be the lynch. if he dies during the night at least we have that and have the ability to lynch another potential scum.
I guess I could go implosion
if either lord god are klazam are scum or both, i will be feeling very used. =/
VOTE: implosion
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I'm having a very hard time decifering who is scum.
I do believe that the three of us in our PT Klazam, me, and LG are town.
I was told that LG KNOWS i am town from the beginning, and am wondering at the significance of that since mafia would KNOW i was town as well. because it was said in the first place i believe it was clarifying that LG is town and it was confirming I was town as well.
Klazam came into our group as a recruitment. though I believe him to be town, i do not sadly have the surety i feel for LG. since there are two scum left most likely I believe we should make a list of who the next few days lynches should be and stick by them.
Currently I see Me, LG strong confirmed town.
the rest
AP---i want to lean town, but null
Bacde---
Klazam---leaning town
Axxle---kind of leaning town, less so than klazam
implosion---people say he is scum. i'm inclined to believe it. it could be a bus but even then it would be a guaranteed scum hit
I do believe that the three of us in our PT Klazam, me, and LG are town.
I was told that LG KNOWS i am town from the beginning, and am wondering at the significance of that since mafia would KNOW i was town as well. because it was said in the first place i believe it was clarifying that LG is town and it was confirming I was town as well.
Klazam came into our group as a recruitment. though I believe him to be town, i do not sadly have the surety i feel for LG. since there are two scum left most likely I believe we should make a list of who the next few days lynches should be and stick by them.
Currently I see Me, LG strong confirmed town.
the rest
AP---i want to lean town, but null
Bacde---
Klazam---leaning town
Axxle---kind of leaning town, less so than klazam
implosion---people say he is scum. i'm inclined to believe it. it could be a bus but even then it would be a guaranteed scum hit
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If this is true and you can't be recruited than, Implosion is lying about it "being accepted"In post 1864, AngryPidgeon wrote:Errr awkward. I don't think I can be recruited. I think one of the side effects of Messiah converting me was that it was permanent. Forgot to mention that. My bad.
everyone lynch implosion!
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It is intentional. =P i know it doesn't mean that. but regardless it still seems fishy!In post 1866, implosion wrote:I'm not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse but accepted does not mean successful. It means he allowed me to submit even though I was late.
we lynch implosion today! if i'm wrong then i don't make the decisions anymore because i've been wrong the entire time apparently!
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I'm just so confused....
Bacde is town!! I know this!! I am town, I KNOW THIS! that leaves 5 others left.
I want to say Axxle is probably town too.
that leaves 4. Implosion, Klazam, Lord God, AP. if this is not lynch or lose than I say we lynch implosion and depending what happens during the night we look at Lord God or Klazam.
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VOTE: implosion
Bacde is town!! I know this!! I am town, I KNOW THIS! that leaves 5 others left.
I want to say Axxle is probably town too.
that leaves 4. Implosion, Klazam, Lord God, AP. if this is not lynch or lose than I say we lynch implosion and depending what happens during the night we look at Lord God or Klazam.
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i believe his claim earlier in the game.In post 1928, Klazam wrote:Levi, say here, again, why you think Bacde is town.
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I really don't understand this logic...In post 1936, Bacde wrote:Lynch in me/implosion/angrypidgeon its all good
if you claim you are town, and we lynch you, then we lose...
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UNVOTE:In post 1951, implosion wrote:Yeah, AP is pretty transparently town at this point as far as I can tell. I'll vote for LG later today unless he actually says something of substance that makes me not want to.
VOTE: Lord God
I agree. I want to see where this goes. sorry LG, if i'm wrong. but i don't believe I am.
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UNVOTE:In post 1953, Bacde wrote:I would lynch implosion, but not lord god.
Try reading the reads if the dead people, they are useful
why not lord god?
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fair enough, that's exactly what I am thinking, but my question is: does that make it unlikely that a mod would create a system and say that just to screw or mess with things a bit. I am told that I do not know his alignment and he knows mine.In post 1955, Bacde wrote:Dunno im not feeling it
Being told that another player is town is a town power, not a mafia power
it could be a redundant thing. because just leaving it at "this person knows you are town" makes me think they are town too and they get some help. but adding the "you don't know their alignment" really bothers me. even though this whole game i have assumed he is town.
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what good will that do?In post 1958, Bacde wrote:Ok? Why dont you ask LG about how you feel?
regardless of alignment, all I see happening is him saying he is town.
at this current point, i have decided to become my own aligned and not participate in my PT because i have become untrustworthy of pretty much everyone since i feel scum have really easily been dominating this game since we only got one scum via a "fluke" if you will.
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yes, that's right, i'd rather talk about it here. I do believe bacde's claim when he was pushed as town which is why i have not pushed to lynch him ever again.In post 1960, Klazam wrote:HOLY SHIT I HAVE A CAKE
Im waiting on AP's comment on LG.
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yes, that's right. personally i feel like most of the lynches were not scum driven. hence why we would always lynch the person who pushed for the lynch of the previous person and they flip town as well. scum has skated by this game from town destroying itself. its a good clean win for scum it seems.In post 1970, Klazam wrote:goddamnit ok
you were saying that bacde was pushed all game, and you said that all the other lynches that was wrong happened the same way, yes?
now think about it, ally eh other lynches could be scum-driven, and easier to achieve critical mass, now, if ScumBacde was being pushed by a town wagon, it'd be significantly harder to achieve critical mass for a lynch, wouldn't it? hence why bacde still haven't hung.
do i make sense here?
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