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Post Post #1313 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:57 am

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Hi guys. Reading up in detail, but I already skimmed the thread.

I'm Mastin's PT-buddy. I have recruitment power, but did not recruit Mastin.

My opinion is that my predecessor misplayed my role significantly, probably due to lack of presence. I will very likely partial-claim today once I have my bearings.
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:04 am

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Quick thing that struck me as odd in my skim~

AP, why are you so ready to disbelieve BPC as a town rolecop, given you appear to be a rolecop miller?

I agree with the point that if he could actually see faction kills, he would be a cop+rolecop, but given the rolenames in the flips, a rolecopping ability would have to be "you get to see all the players' abilities," so it's not a crazy jump to me to think that he might add the factional aspect as a gambit.
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:09 am

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In post 1128, mastin2 wrote:Btw, will have to check details of my PM later, but I don't think there's harm in claiming that my slot was a recruiter and recruited Quill but got itself converted to a different church which is so utterly devoid of content that I almost missed that there was a PT at all and wondered if the mod had forgotten to add me. :P
Reiterating, I did not recruit mastin, and am a member of my original church, for which I can recruit. I'm told my slot targeted someone else last night.
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Post Post #1316 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:17 am

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I see what happened. Nobody lied, everything is fine.

I think the AP wagon should go away until I think on this a bit.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:24 am

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Ok, one thing is amiss; I'm not un-recruitable as far as I can tell, but UT has not told me anything suggesting that mastin attempted to recruit me last night.
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:59 am

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In post 1320, Jargonaut wrote: Welcome Kagami! Just to clarify, you know why mastin got recruited into your church, but not why you didn't get recruited into his?
Yes.
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:04 am

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In post 1323, Kagami wrote:
In post 1320, Jargonaut wrote: Welcome Kagami! Just to clarify, you know why mastin got recruited into your church, but not why you didn't get recruited into his?
Yes.
I'm pretty sure we've sorted out what happened, which makes AP almost certainly town unless he performed a very clever gambit. Reviewing my slot's behavior to see if that's plausible.

p-edit: that
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:10 am

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Does anyone remember who all claimed to either be able to night-recruit, or to be the only member of their religion day 1?
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:16 am

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In post 1330, mastin2 wrote:Add levitown, too.
Why levitown?
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:24 am

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weird question @AP:

You said you could form a super-religion before being initially converted. Would that religion have been held by "The Spanish Inquisition" if they are in the game? If so, does the transformation tell you anything about the alignment of the spanish inquisition?
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #10) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:46 am

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Nvm the spanish inquisition question; seems like it was a joke in my PM >.>
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:22 am

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Has recruitment been compulsory for everyone so far? (i.e. you get a choice if you get multiple recruitments, but are unable to stay in your original religion?)
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:24 am

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In post 1346, AngryPidgeon wrote:The scumteam is probably just BPC/Klazam/Bacde.
If that's so, I don't understand why bacde jumped off of both the axxle and implosion L-1 to vote you. I feel like bacde scum implies one of those L-1s was scum-targeted.
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:26 am

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I'm unwilling to vote BPC without a rolecop counterclaim at this stage of the game.
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #14) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:28 am

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You lost your godfatherly-ness when you were recruited?
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:32 am

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In post 1354, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1351, Kagami wrote:I'm unwilling to vote BPC without a rolecop counterclaim at this stage of the game.
Why do you think he is so town?
Only because of role
Do you have any interest in Klazam or Bacde?
yes.
VOTE: Bacde
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:33 am

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actually, almost forgot,

UNVOTE:
Phantom vote on bacde, our religion wants the hammer, and it's best if I do it.
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:26 am

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In post 1359, Jargonaut wrote: Kagami, why did you want to know about people who have night recruits? I have one, but my church isn't empty.
Because I just want to be 100% on AP town, but I'm willing to settle with 99%.
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:29 am

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And I don't care about who has them, I care about who claimed them day 1.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:31 am

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In post 1363, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1362, Kagami wrote:Because I just want to be 100% on AP town, but I'm willing to settle with 99%.
? I'm slightly concerned about the leaps people are making wrt actions -> alignment in this game. I understand why mastin thinks Im town (I think) and thats about it.
Since I see no reason not to be forthright here, it seems as though you bussed yourself and mastin-slot, and scum roleblocked you. As a result, I recruited mastin, and mastin failed to attempt to recruit you.
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Post Post #1366 (isolation #20) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:31 am

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failed to attempt to recruit me, not you.
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #21) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:36 am

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Some alternative possibilities, which I consider unlikely, but possible:

1. Mastin is scum, and recruited no one.
2. The above is true, and AP is also scum, and this was an elaborate gambit that relied on them knowing I would recruit.
3. Mastin failed to recruit me for other reasons, most likely that there is some priority to cross-recruitment.

Case 3 seems reasonably plausible given the current game-state, but I still townread AP even under those circumstances.

p-edit: in the OP, bus is given preference to RB, therefore mastin being RB'ed implies they RB'ed you implies that you are town.
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #22) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:39 am

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There's no possibility that the bus-drive failed.
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #23) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:28 pm

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In post 1373, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 1369, Kagami wrote:2. The above is true, and AP is also scum, and this was an elaborate gambit that relied on them knowing I would recruit.
Why did it rely on knowing you would recruit?
...
Because it would otherwise be expending a significant amount of scum power for a gambit that would be uncertain to succeed. As far as I can tell, my slot in no way hinted that it could recruit.
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:39 pm

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I'd like to have a chance to read everything through more thoroughly before we lynch anyone, since we have time; I expect to be pretty active tomorrow.

Our religion will be very hard for scum to deal with if I can consistently make the hammer vote, so please don't give anyone the option to self-hammer while I'm not around. As mastin said, recruiting anyone out of our religion is basically a scum-claim for this reason.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:46 pm

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So my understanding is that:

Day 1

MC recruits AP


Night 1

AP busses
mastin recruits me
I recruit AP
bacde recruits MC
klaz recruits BPC
Levi self-recruits into LG's religion
LG recruits Klazam
BPC recruits Jargonaut and sends a message to AP
implosion recruits Bacde
Jargonaut recruits Bacde
Axxle recruits bacde, fails to delay implosion
MC does nothing
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:53 pm

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LG, why did you recruit Klazam?
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:01 pm

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In post 1409, AngryPidgeon wrote:...
Mastin is claiming to be blocked; we are 100% on this?
...
We are not 100% on this. All I know is that my slot received no recruitment message.

I've considered the possibility that cross-recruiting (I rec mastin, mastin recs me) is handled thusly:

Some priority is generated between the two recruitment requests (randomly), in our case my recruitment resolved first. Mastin had the opportunity to accept or decline. If he accepts, that's it and his recruitment fails. If he declines, my recruitment fails and instead I would have been recruited to his religion. I asked UT about this, but he gave me a not-terribly-informative response.

^If this is how it works, then there's no reason to believe he (you) were blocked.
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Post Post #1418 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:05 pm

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Mastin has full-claimed a role in our PT. Beyond that, nothing has happened privately that I consider to be beyond Mastin's abilities to fake as scum, but I feel like his slot is town.
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:08 pm

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I meant her slot.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:15 pm

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In post 1390, Kagami wrote: Jargonaut recruited BPC??
This happened? Doesn't that mean there's a rolecop result on BPC?
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:16 pm

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on jargo, I mean.
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:36 pm

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No, jargo recruited AP.

I see only these things as unknown/unconfirmed night actions, unless there's a scum-scum false action claim:

bacde recruits MC
Mastin recruits me
Levi does something
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #33) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:08 am

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New realization: AP being blocked is not a possible explanation for the events of last night.
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Post Post #1427 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:25 am

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The belief was that if there was a roleblock, it would have to be performed by a player who did not recruit. I now have reason to believe there was no roleblock, so that's moot.

I'm just sorting out the gamestate right now. Recruits are extremely relevant to that, since players are recruiting specific slots for a reason.

Aside from recruiting, the bus drive surely happened, as did the bizarre message that BCP sent. I also have questions about mastin's recruitment and recruitment in general that I'll ask her in our PT.

It's as you say, having an action doesn't mean someone is town, but how they use it is. AP's bus-drive, for example, was a very reasonable town usage (swapping himself with a scumread).
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Post Post #1428 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:51 am

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In post 1427, Kagami wrote: I now have reason to believe there was no roleblock...
I'll explain this later, btw, but first I want to talk to mastin. There's an inconsistency in her PT posts that I want to sort out.
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:26 am

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In post 1430, Jargonaut wrote:Gah, phone. Meant to take back the word "confirmed."

Anyway, given that there's a delayer and a bus driver, BPC's message ability looks town.
What do those abilities have to do with BPC's?
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:40 am

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I need to talk to her about some things in our PT before I seriously consider that.

Her role-claim is superficially alignment neutral, but seems to me like it has far more pro-town utility than pro-scum utility given what we know about the setup so far. It would be pretty difficult to prove that she's not making it up, but there is some evidence that at least half of the claim is true.

There's some train-of-thought inconsistency in the PT that seems funny to me, but I don't see any obvious scum-motivation in it.

Altogether, I'd be pretty sad to lose a follower; this religion is pretty awesome. I haven't told mastin exactly what are powers are.
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:19 am

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Why is axxle town?
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:19 am

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(he's in my suspicious pile, but your townish pile)
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:07 am

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PoE is pointing me toward implosion.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:09 am

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( and mastin :< )
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:27 am

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That alone doesn't make LG town. I don't see how scum-LG would have been able to avoid admitting to knowing that levi is town by the end of the day.

How LG played it rings town to me, though. His trajectory is fairly consistent with "I'm going to scumhunt by seeing who goes after my conf-town neighbor." It's also not obvious to me why an LG-team would kill MC, given that MC was scum's best bet to get rid of an unlynchable without wasting a shot on him themselves.
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:26 am

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In post 1453, Klazam wrote:from what i was able to clarify from the mod- If Kagami and Mastin(abel)'s recruits both went through on each other, they would have just swapped religions. so clearly something happened to mast in's recruit.
He wasn't as forthright when I asked him, interesting.
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #44) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:27 am

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Roleblock remains impossible.
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:34 am

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In post 1458, Klazam wrote:Why does role block stay impossible? if it is, that would mean Mastin is 100% scum by virtue of lying.
Mastin hypothesized a roleblock in our PT, which I agreed made sense at the time, I wouldn't call it lying.

I agree with AP, something has to give, and it could well be mastin's story. She needs to answer some questions.

p-edit: I think Levi claims to have begun in LG's church.
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #46) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:49 am

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In post 1395, Jargonaut wrote:Not all religions started empty. Mine didn't. I assume Levi was in LG's from the start as well.
I guess they started together too?
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #47) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:57 am

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In post 1459, Jargonaut wrote:Yeah I'm wondering the same thing.
In post 1450, Kagami wrote:That alone doesn't make LG town. I don't see how scum-LG would have been able to avoid admitting to knowing that levi is town by the end of the day.
How do you figure this?
If LG had just gone the whole day pretending he didn't know levi was town, it would look pretty bad when Levi says "hey guys, LG knows I'm town." If he pulled it off and somehow levi never got suspicious, what would he do about his PT? He'd have to not recruit anyone, since they'd know from the PT that levi was conf-town, and then there'd be a missing recruitment action, or LG would have to claim some night action that might end up getting him in trouble. He'd also have to use the night-kill on what is really a pretty poor target, as well as forfeiting the possibility of a double-vote. Playing along is clearly the better option for scum-LG as well as town-LG.

I want to talk to mastin before I say why I know that AP wasn't blocked.
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:00 am

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In post 1469, Jargonaut wrote:Mastin referenced the fact that my recruit got directed at him
This is one of my questions that mastin may as well answer out here.
mastin wrote:I'm not sure whether it was actually a choice (initial PM said Abelcain could choose to answer questions and not join, but Abelcain chose to answer questions AND join), but I got recruited into a new church, following the aztec god of war.
My understanding of mastin's claim is that she was recruited by jargo (she got a bunch of questions and chose to join the religion) and then she joined my religion, since I recruited her (aztec religion is mine). This isn't consistent with bacde's experience of getting to choose among multiple suitors as stated in the rules.
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:02 am

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Ok, yeah, I just remembered the message from BCP too. That's completely inconsistent with mastin's roleclaim.
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:15 am

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Mastin just posted in the PT, she's around.
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #51) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:19 am

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Don't worry, PT is a somewhat mastin-unfriendly place until I get satisfactory answers.
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:24 am

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Yes, I'm aware of that.
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #53) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:38 am

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Roleblock is below recruitment in priority (check NAR in the OP). Only the bus action could possibly interfere with recruitment.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #54) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:40 am

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I can confirm that UT apparently sent me out of the PT, but sent me no indication in the PT or via PM about how this occured.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #55) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:01 am

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Mastin, you should claim your passive in thread or I'm going to do it for you.
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #56) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:13 am

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Mastin has claimed an active ability that she did not use last night, and that she has a passive: she's a reflexive jailkeeper.

The passive is not consistent with BPC's message-sending action, as far as I can tell.
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #57) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:20 am

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She said that it didn't trigger on nightkills, so not quite, but I agree that it's a bit self-contradictory.
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #58) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:21 am

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And yes to 1502, except for those in her current religion (we're not allowed to recruit within the religion).
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #59) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:22 am

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I'm down for mastin or implosion.
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Post Post #1534 (isolation #60) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:19 pm

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The NAR on what constitutes "successful targeting" is unclear, and UT has refused to comment on it.

My interpretation is that targeting as a thing may occur before action resolution. i.e. I target mastin with a doctor action, then whenever the action sequence reaches Doctor or Protect [not sure which in UT's chain] that action will resolve if nothing interferes, but if mastin is as claimed, then after I've successfully targeted her, she will target me with a jailkeeping action, which will resolve before my doctoring and thus prevent mastin from receiving protection.

It seems vaguely possible that targeting is unaffected by the bus driver ability, and it's only the resolution that's redirected, and thus no one successfully targeted mastin, but that seems kind of crazy. I asked UT a question trying to sort this out, and he pointed only to the wiki (which doesn't address this) and asked me to stop asking questions. =\
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Post Post #1536 (isolation #61) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:21 pm

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I find it very hard to believe that "reflexive jailkeeper that doesn't work with nightkills" is identical to "reflexive roleblocker that doesn't work with nightkills" which is identical to "ascetic," and that UT didn't just call the role "ascetic"
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #62) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:25 pm

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You're right, it's the reverse, that if targeting happens during resolution, it's a reflexive doctor.
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Post Post #1540 (isolation #63) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:27 pm

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In post 1537, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1534, Kagami wrote:My interpretation is that targeting as a thing may occur before action resolution. i.e. I target mastin with a doctor action, then whenever the action sequence reaches Doctor or Protect [not sure which in UT's chain] that action will resolve if nothing interferes, but if mastin is as claimed, then after I've successfully targeted her, she will target me with a jailkeeping action, which will resolve before my doctoring and thus prevent mastin from receiving protection.
Can't be true, because if that were true, there'd literally be no such thing as unsuccessfully targeting me.
Could be that targeting occurs after bussing then, but that means you should have jailed BPC
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #64) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:28 pm

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Anyway, I still see almost no way that BPC's action should have gotten to you, and absolutely no way that your recruit failed to reach me short of a second bus driver.
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #65) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:34 pm

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The only way mastin could have recruited me is if there's a second bus driver who switched me and implosion, and implosion hasn't claimed to have been recruited for whatever reason.

This also implies that UT put a second bus driver in the game, which is just an awful idea.

I guess he could have made a special "recruit blocker" that blocks only recruits and is super secretly not included in the OP's NAR, but that would also be pretty awful.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #66) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:15 pm

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Confirming 1550 for the record. Most important stuff that happened page one is that I pointed out that AP must have bussed himself and mastin-slot, and then mastin posits that AP must have gotten blocked, thereby preventing her recruit on me from going through.
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #67) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:19 pm

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mastin doesn't seem to have realized that this explanation doesn't fit the NAR of this game until I point it out deep in page 2. I only figured it out myself when I asked if it was possible to recruit a reflexive jailkeeper and got a yes response.

(you can see why UT asked me to stop asking mechanics questions >.>)
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #68) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:15 pm

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Look, I didn't get a recruitment or anything suggesting that you attempted to recruit me.

The NAR of this game is very clear that bus driving is the only thing that can mess with a recruitment. We have more than enough evidence that AP bussed himself and you, unless you think BPC, AP, jorg and I are a four-man scumteam.

Do you really believe UT put two bus drivers in the game? And that bus driver chose to swap me with Implosion (I think he's the only one who isn't confirmed to be in a non-solo religion other than AP)?

I can imagine various scenarios in which scum!mastin thought she could get away with this; the simplest being that she planned to claim that she was roleblocked, not realizing the game had an unusual NAR (notice that
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:21 pm

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sleepy time for kagamis
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #70) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:56 am

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Hello~
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #71) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:23 am

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just waiting around.
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #72) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:19 am

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No AP, vote mastin.
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Post Post #1611 (isolation #73) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:20 am

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There's literally no way she attempted to recruit me last night. She's even given up on attempting to sway me in the PT.
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #74) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:21 am

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Not that I dislike implosion as an option, but I can't see mastin as anything short of confirmed scum.
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Post Post #1614 (isolation #75) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:23 am

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She didn't realize that recruitment couldn't be roleblocked. She either performed an non-recruitment action she no longer has the freedom to admit, or had something else to gain from pretending you were roleblocked.
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #76) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:30 am

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Yes, we are certain or my recruitment of mastin would have failed, and UT would have asked my question pertaining to this in the negative.
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #77) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:31 am

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It is not an accident that the OP has recruitment above roleblock.
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Post Post #1618 (isolation #78) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:31 am

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In post 1616, Kagami wrote:Yes, we are certain or my recruitment of mastin would have failed, and UT would have answered my question pertaining to this in the negative.
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Post Post #1620 (isolation #79) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:35 am

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In post 1619, Lord God wrote:Reading, but have been slowed in the low 60's.
Mastin is L-2. Do not hammer it. AP (or someone else) needs to place the L-1 vote
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #80) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:42 am

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Mastin has claimed to recruit me. I received no indication that there was a recruit attempt, and I clearly was not recruited. I'm not recruitment immune or anything like that.

What should have happened is that I went to her religion, and she joined mine.

She claimed that AP must have been roleblocked (directed to her), which I thought was a pretty good explanation at the time. As I asked questions to UT about mastin's claimed jailkeeping ability (I wondered how I was able to recruit her), it became clear that you couldn't block a recruitment. The answer for why is the NAR in the OP, which apparently no one noticed.

Thus mastin lied about having attempted to recruit me. I can think of multiple reasons for doing so as scum, but nothing plausible for how this happened as town.
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Post Post #1625 (isolation #81) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:45 am

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jailkeep doesn't block recruit.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #82) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:01 am

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LG, are you still around?
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #83) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:03 am

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UT directly told me that this was impossible.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #84) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:38 am

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Someone's reading our PT currently who isn't me.
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #85) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:58 am

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(it was UT, btw)
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Post Post #1650 (isolation #86) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:37 am

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VOTE: mastin
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #87) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:08 am

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If mastin is town, there pretty much has to be a "recruitment blocker/stopper" which would be rubbish as a role. I'm just sad that my religion is gutted.

I still don't want to be recruited, btw.
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #88) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:39 am

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I thought both you and implosion were scum, and the counterwagon was a derail attempt -_-
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:15 am

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Hey guys, I see the thread is open.

Firstly, I was immune to all actions last night. The verbiage prob means even recruits. I see there are other claims for the no kill, but this would also have stopped any kills on me.

UT told me something that's pretty critical to explaining yesterday. Mastin's role pm did indeed tell her that she was a reflexive jailkeeper, however the definition of jailkeeper was not the normal one. Being "jailkept" by mastin's power meant that you were protected and roleSTOPPED (not blocked), and that her role PM apparently wasn't clear on this, which is something I'd like to talk about post-game.

As a result, our cross-recruit caused me to "immediately" become rolestopped and her recruit on me failed. This is also why the message from BPC went through. Not sure if AP's ability triggered it too, but based on a slightly unclear statement, it didn't and that anything that targeted AP simply targeted Mastin instead.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:21 am

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I believe BPC, btw.
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:22 am

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I would like to hammer again, too. Should be obvious why.
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:25 am

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I want to think this through a bit, some of these abilities are kind of insane.
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:32 am

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In post 1708, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1705, Jargonaut wrote:I definitely do not believe your claim. You claim to have
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See, I think a town player would have said: "I definitely do not believe your claim. I didn't try to kill anyone last night".
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:35 am

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I don't disagree with that, but the result is the same: jargo lynch.
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:49 am

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Well, they'd obviously just scum-claim and force us to lynch individually (which is also pretty cool).
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Post Post #1757 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:51 am

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I think it's not a bad plan, though I'm not so happy about the probably loss of hammer.
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:04 pm

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VOTE: BipolarChemist
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:05 pm

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Doublevoter should still be LG, unless he was recruited, but we should prob take this slow.
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #99) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:01 am

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yay
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Post Post #2169 (isolation #100) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:20 am

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AngryPidgeon wrote:Cabd #1 replacement ^^


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