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Post Post #85 (isolation #0) » Tue May 06, 2014 7:31 am

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My Day 1 reads are always bad, so I'm just going to skip all that for now and go full-on fundamentalist: pick one random thing I'm interested in, and then doggedly pursue it until I have an epiphany of some kind and actually acknowledge everything else that's happening, k?
In post 28, Axxle wrote:I feel like both of you were pretty jumpy at early pressure. Bacde moreso since he's more aggressive (and hypocritical) in his jumpiness while Jargo is more defensive.
AngryPidgeon wrote: Gosh this Bacde wagon is stalling so hard. Because his buddies won't bus him.
Axxle, why did you feel the need to involve yourself in this question...
In post 24, Jargonaut wrote::( I feel silly for not notice so many crumbs.

Why exactly do you want to lynch me already? Either of you can feel free to answer, btw.
when you weren't voting Jargo and had expressed zero interest in doing so?
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Post Post #177 (isolation #1) » Tue May 06, 2014 11:52 am

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I'm really thrilled that this Leviathan thing will allegedly be getting resolved one way or another shortly so I don't have to sit down and try and parse out all the crazy.

I wanted to say more but there really isn't much more to talk about yet, is there? I guess I can say that I'm not townreading anyone yet, including AP and Messiah Complex, but that's really more erring on the side of caution than actually thinking anything of theirs is leaning scum. From what I've seen in person and skimmed from other games, they're too good to trust at this point.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #2) » Wed May 07, 2014 2:55 pm

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Holy hell, guys, I was gone for literally a day. I'm still busy so this is just a skim; don't string me up if I don't talk about your favorite post ever.
In post 256, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 252, Bacde wrote:What happened to messiah dayvigging levi, is that still a thing?
it might still become a thing later but it is no longer a thing
This is disappointing.

Levi is so flail-y, he's probably not scum, but he's still my favorite to lynch today if nothing else surfaces. I'd rather get people who don't seem to know what they're doing setup-wise out of the way, unless we can manage to dig up more plausible scum.
In post 261, Axxle wrote:
post 85 I picked one random thing I'm interested in, and then doggedly pursued it... I probably would have voted jargo in a vacuum but bacde was more likely to be scum in that exchange. I can't vote for two people.
Not the question. I wanted to know why you answered a question no one cared if you answered. This would be the rationale you'd give for your response regard of whether you're scum or not. If you feel like answering my original question, let me know. :/

I fail to see how throwing votes at me is an effective use of our time, especially since I believe the initial backers (AP and Bacde) have a great deal of suspicion for other people who are actually acting scummy, versus someone who's just lite-lurking (which, admittedly, I could be considered guilty of, though I wasn't on site since yesterday so...). Then again, when I'm dealing with someone who makes posts like this:
In post 367, AngryPidgeon wrote:Actually I think Quill is townish, but Im voting him so I cant really say that.

If we're finding lurkscum Today, I'd like to dig into Bob.
I shouldn't be surprised. Seriously, AP, I feel like half your posts this game have been you saying something and then saying the opposite of it and ignoring the dissonance. </hyperbole>

Bacde's push to make me the lynch today seems so over-the-top I can't imagine it's coming from scum. AP's aforementioned dissonance means I don't have a clue where he's leaning. Guess I'm sticking with my distaste for Axxel so far, while I try and carve out some time to look more deeply into other things.

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Post Post #423 (isolation #3) » Wed May 07, 2014 3:25 pm

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In post 422, Axxle wrote:
Quill wrote:Not the question. I wanted to know why you answered a question no one cared if you answered. This would be the rationale you'd give for your response regard of whether you're scum or not. If you feel like answering my original question, let me know. :/]
I have no idea what you're asking.

Most of Quill's post is attacking the people on his wagon, I'm fine with this lynch now.
I have no idea how you can't follow this. Let me try again. The question you answered, which I was asking about? It wasn't addressed to you. Why did you feel the need to chime in?

And don't pull that bullshit where you pre-emptively justify your vote being on my mislynch by picking cheap, easy reasons to be on my wagon. Not to WIFOM, but if I was scum here, you can bet your ass I wouldn't be wasting my time going after you if I really wanted to "attack" the people on my wagon. Both AP and bacde have a lot more material for me to twist and misrepresent.
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Post Post #431 (isolation #4) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:24 pm

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In post 428, Abelcain wrote:
At the time you asked this question, I wasn't liking Quill if only for his low-content posts. Now I'm not liking him because he called the pressure wagon Bacde's been trying to garner support for on Quill a mislynch. When you have less than half the votes to get to lynch, you're not in danger of being lynched yet. It feels... I don't think "hysterical" is the right word, but definitely an overreaction.
In post 423, Quill wrote:Not to WIFOM, but if I was scum here, you can bet your ass I wouldn't be wasting my time going after you if I really wanted to "attack" the people on my wagon.
Both AP and bacde have a lot more material for me to twist and misrepresent.
I don't like this either. Shows Quill spent some time trying to figure out how to attack the people on his wagon.
I'm town. If I get lynched, it's a mislynch. Pretty much not gonna change that opinion.

And I can see your point about what I said about how I'd attack people on my wagon, but...I mean, half the point of this game is trying to think like mafia if you're town so you can figure out who the mafia is, or think like town if you're mafia so town can't find you. So I don't see it as anti-town to be aware of how I could be playing this game
were I scum
. I'm not scum. But I thought it served the pro-town objective of defending myself so I can continue to be alive and hunt scum.
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Post Post #434 (isolation #5) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:45 pm

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In post 433, Bacde wrote:Quill is conveniently failing to address me because im scary and post a lot
Challenge accepted. What things of yours haven't I addressed?
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Post Post #436 (isolation #6) » Wed May 07, 2014 6:46 pm

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Okay, cool. There's a wagon on me. Do you have any reason for it other than me not being around to defend myself against it? My stance on Leviathan hasn't changed: I think their flailing might be town, but their inability to initially understand the game makes me think they'd be a safe D1 lynch. I haven't commented on anything else other than Axxel, but that was because I deliberately chose to only focus on one thing in my initial entry and hadn't had a chance to do more than skim when I reentered today. So to me, there isn't that much about the wagon to discuss. Unless I'm willfully ignoring something important in particular?
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Post Post #437 (isolation #7) » Wed May 07, 2014 6:51 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 213, Bacde wrote:Quill is probably scum btw but doesnt seem dangerous
In post 216, Bacde wrote:
In post 214, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 213, Bacde wrote:Quill is probably scum btw but doesnt seem dangerous
Is this because of his comment on not wanting to get involved with levi's wagon?
No
In post 221, Bacde wrote:
In post 216, Bacde wrote:
In post 214, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 213, Bacde wrote:Quill is probably scum btw but doesnt seem dangerous
Is this because of his comment on not wanting to get involved with levi's wagon?
No
Actually, kind of
In post 324, Bacde wrote:
In post 321, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 318, Bacde wrote:Lets be real, you dont really care about my opinions because my reasoning never makes sense (even though it usually leads me in the right direction)
Thats not true, you bust me when Im scum regularly. Just not this game. In fact I just finally came around to thinking you might be town, so gimme a little time to let that stew, ok?

I hear your point on Jargonaut, but Jargo is town. I would potentially compromise on Quill but ONLY if I can say "I told yo so" after Quill flips town.
Its a deal

vote quill
In post 309, Bacde wrote:Town
In post 335, Bacde wrote:Ap, that post of quill's that i guessed the alignment of, was it a d1 post?
In post 345, Bacde wrote:Klazam, sheep me onto quill until ap answers my question
In post 348, Bacde wrote:Hey guys thor's avatar really has no meaning with me so if you could use your words kthx!

Axxle sheep me onto quill
In post 350, Bacde wrote:Cool, quill is scum this game
In post 351, Bacde wrote:How often did quill post in that last game?
In post 354, Bacde wrote:Yo bcb vote quill plz
In post 371, Bacde wrote:
In post 366, Klazam wrote:not seeing quill case here
Thats because no one wrote one

Now vote quill and stop being difficult
In post 378, Bacde wrote:Levi, will you pretty please vote quill with a cherry on top?

Ap, stop trying to bus bob and just keep bussing quill
In post 394, Bacde wrote:
In post 380, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 378, Bacde wrote:Levi, will you pretty please vote quill with a cherry on top?

Ap, stop trying to bus bob and just keep bussing quill
If you want to lynch him, I will hammer, but I don't see the point unless he gets lynched.
You dont see the point in pressuring scum suspects?
In post 396, Bacde wrote:Lord god is town, maybe with a little less substance than i had hoped but he is town. I dont think he is being "consciously slippery" so much as just being upfront.

My read on quill has to do with the way he is approaching this game. He doesnt want to interact with the town, and is even taking measures to excuse himself from doing so. In the post ap quoted from s different game, i could see quill taking more of an active, rather than passive role in the game. Being scum breeds passivity
In post 397, Bacde wrote:Bcb bus quill plz

Jargonaut will you pretty please vote quill
In post 429, Bacde wrote:
vote quill


Nvm abel is right
In post 433, Bacde wrote:Quill is conveniently failing to address me because im scary and post a lot
In post 435, Bacde wrote:Lets start with the wagon on you


Enclosed in the above are all the mentions you've made of me thus far. In only one do you give a satisfactory rationale to voting me; I'll post it below for the TL;DRers.
In post 396, Bacde wrote:Lord god is town, maybe with a little less substance than i had hoped but he is town. I dont think he is being "consciously slippery" so much as just being upfront.

My read on quill has to do with the way he is approaching this game. He doesnt want to interact with the town, and is even taking measures to excuse himself from doing so. In the post ap quoted from s different game, i could see quill taking more of an active, rather than passive role in the game. Being scum breeds passivity
I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to defend myself against this when you posted it, seeing as how I wasn't on site in any capacity, but do you consider what I've done thus far today interacting with town? If so, by your own logic you should be moving elsewhere.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #8) » Wed May 07, 2014 7:12 pm

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Is it, though?

What are your thoughts on Axxel? I believe you're reading them as town at the moment; what am I missing?

At what level of "active-ness" will I suddenly become town in your eyes, assuming that all active players are town and all passive players are scum?

And while I don't find your vote-bouncing in itself suspicious, the fact that you went very quickly from thinking I was okay after a few posts to being aimed straight at my throat after a post from Abel is worrying me.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #9) » Thu May 08, 2014 5:10 am

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In post 443, leviathan93 wrote:Also Quill. saying i'm "probably not scum" yet desiring to lynch me anyone is NOT town-like at all. Also how am I flaily? =P

I'm not flailing at all and I haven't this entire game. Lynch me, pressure me, do whatever, it won't change my play style. =P If you look at my meta for all my games it's pretty much the same exact thing. Mostly when i'm town I get lynched early. =P
I mean, your posts in the first ten pages of this game are all over the place, and they get more so once you start racking up votes and Messiah fakedayvigs you. They have gotten more coherent of late, but this remains an issue of policy lynching Day 1 versus putting my vote on a wagon that I'm not as sure of and doesn't have as much town benefit. I obviously want to lynch people I think are probably scum more than people who might be town, but on Day 1, without any flips or night action reveals, I've got to triage and compromise a bit.
In post 444, Bacde wrote:
In post 439, Quill wrote:Is it, though?

What are your thoughts on Axxel? I believe you're reading them as town at the moment; what am I missing?

At what level of "active-ness" will I suddenly become town in your eyes, assuming that all active players are town and all passive players are scum?

And while I don't find your vote-bouncing in itself suspicious, the fact that you went very quickly from thinking I was okay after a few posts to being aimed straight at my throat after a post from Abel is worrying me.
"activity" is different than being proactive

if you were town you'd care less about my obscure requirements and probably just be more motivated to actually help
Having this conversation feels like running on a hamster wheel.
In post 451, Bacde wrote:
In post 431, Quill wrote:I'm town. If I get lynched, it's a mislynch. Pretty much not gonna change that
opinion.
Mild scumslip? What makes it an opinion and not a fact?
Stop reaching.
In post 463, Klazam wrote:Eh.

Quill- Why are you calling leviathan a safe D1 lynch if you think he's more likely town?

What i don't like- Pushing for wagons on people lacking posts. The Quill wagon formed when he was at 2 posts, and now Abelcain's wagon is forming while he was at 3-4 posts. This just feels opportunistic to me. I want to look at this more.

Bacde and AP is as hard to read as Levi is for me. I hate when people are trollish- harder to divulge scum motivation.
Klazam: See my note above to Levi. It's a matter of policy, and not one I'm devoted to pursuing all through the day if scummier options develop. I would rather lynch him than a null or towntell, because there's a different sort of utility in it, in my opinion.

Your note about the no-post wagons is interesting to me. The only common denominator between people who've been voting for me and people who are currently voting for Abel is AP, which isn't much of a surprise. I want to take today to make sure my vote is properly placed on Axxel, but if not I'm gonna come back to that.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #10) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:19 pm

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In post 496, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 468, Quill wrote:
In post 443, leviathan93 wrote:Also Quill. saying i'm "probably not scum" yet desiring to lynch me anyone is NOT town-like at all. Also how am I flaily? =P

I'm not flailing at all and I haven't this entire game. Lynch me, pressure me, do whatever, it won't change my play style. =P If you look at my meta for all my games it's pretty much the same exact thing. Mostly when i'm town I get lynched early. =P
I mean, your posts in the first ten pages of this game are all over the place, and they get more so once you start racking up votes and Messiah fakedayvigs you. They have gotten more coherent of late, but this remains an issue of policy lynching Day 1 versus putting my vote on a wagon that I'm not as sure of and doesn't have as much town benefit. I obviously want to lynch people I think are probably scum more than people who might be town, but on Day 1, without any flips or night action reveals, I've got to triage and compromise a bit.

So beginning game IS me all over the place. but it's not flaily at all. that makes it seem like its not on purpose. It WAS on purpose and technically everyone else seems MORE flail-y than I do. I barely change my votes, I say things like it is, and I do not care whether I am viewed as town or scum. =P I give the information that I feel needs to be given and said. HOW is that flail-y? =P
Your response to Messiah's dayvig threat was to throw out as much random chaos as possible on the offchance some of it would save you. But I don't know what to think on this anymore. Every time you pop back into the thread you seem more put-together, which is great if you're town but terrible if you're scum.

Doing that look back at Axxle, I'm starting to lose my passion for the argument. Yes, it's odd the way Axxle responds to Jargo's question about why people want him lynched, but it's more like he's just answering for Bacde and/or AP. It's something I might go back to after a flip from one of the four involved, but until then...I don't know.

Alternate options:
The only post of BPC's I really like is his #17; everything else is filler or weird. But then there's that bit where he offers up that he can't be recruited pretty easily, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing scum would lie about unless their win condition requires them to have their church intact. Otherwise, it's probably to their benefit to get snatched up by another church and get a private topic to be sneaky in.
The Bob wagon is another fast-developing wagon fueled by bacde and AP, who are spending so much time bickering I keep forgetting that they are following each other a great amount of the time. I wish there was more scumhunting here, but he has opinions, at least? Faint praise, I know.

Given those choices, I think BPC might better respond to pressure, and I'd like to find out what he actually thinks about people in this game – I don't see any solid reads one way or the other from him; he's just posting here and there to look engaged.

Vote: BipolarChemist
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Post Post #510 (isolation #11) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:56 pm

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In post 509, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 507, Quill wrote: But then there's that bit where he offers up that he can't be recruited pretty easily, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing scum would lie about unless their win condition requires them to have their church intact. Otherwise, it's probably to their benefit to get snatched up by another church and get a private topic to be sneaky in.
What makes you think scum are in the same religion to start out with?
Nothing, but I was trying to brainstorm reasons scum would say they couldn't be recruited (if they actually could) and that's the only one I could think of. It seems pretty unlikely though, agreed.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #12) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:50 am

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I'm going to be
V/LA until Monday
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Post Post #571 (isolation #13) » Wed May 14, 2014 6:16 pm

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I'll post something substantial tomorrow when I'm more conscious, but I was actually going to vote Messiah Complex out the gate today, so

a) My bad.

and

b) Nice try, bacde.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #14) » Fri May 16, 2014 5:28 am

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Thoughts:

Bipolar's arrival is making me feel much better about him, and not just because I agree with lots of his reads (I think Lord God's absence makes him a bit more scum-seeming, though, and I'm confused a bit by his stance on Klazam as it's presented).

As much as I hate "lynch me, then lynch them no-questions-asked" on principle, because it runs the risk of losing us two town if the first lynch is just flat-out wrong, in the last game I played my scumpartner bluffed with that (unsuccessfully), and it seems pretty unlikely that BOTH bacde and AP are town. Bacde is definitely the one I'd lynch first, too, so that doesn't seem like an incredibly unappealing option.
In post 597, Bacde wrote:So while this sentence sounds like something you believe, it sounds disingenuous. Also Im upset you didnt join my PT, I told Messiah it should help me read you cause my tnhoughts there should have obvtowned me to you . But thats IMO.
I was offered the choice to join one of many churches

Also, my choice was only allowed to be based on flavor, not strategy[/quote]

What does this mean? Was your choice restricted somehow? That doesn't seem to jibe with what's listed in the rules.
In post 565, Axxle wrote:
In post 564, AngryPidgeon wrote:He was gung ho about a handful of people (levi?, bpc?, lord god?, implosion?). I dont remember which of those he mentioned here or in the Pt.
I assume there were other people in your PT? I know I didn't believe MC's claim about being a dayvig when he didn't do so in thread, so anyone in there is suspect.
In post 566, AngryPidgeon wrote:No its just me and MC in the Pt.

He told me in the PT that he was told by the mod that he could only take one action per Day. his action yesterday was to recruit me. Apparently he actually did submit a dayvig on Levi but it wasnt allowed to go through.
In post 567, Axxle wrote:VOTE: AP
This conversation doesn't work for me. Like AP, I still can't quite make heads or tails of the first Axxle post, but either way there's nothing in it that makes a reasonless vote on AP make sense. Out of all the lurkers (Abel, implosion, Klazam, levi, LG...so, basically, everyone, including myself, I guess), Axxle's still the one I like the least. LG and Klazam bring up the rear, not necessarily in that order.

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Post Post #687 (isolation #15) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:01 am

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In post 646, Bacde wrote:
In post 639, Quill wrote:What does this mean? Was your choice restricted somehow? That doesn't seem to jibe with what's listed in the rules
Lol what doesn't jibe?

My choice was made based on flavor, as I said
I'm asking if you were required to choose on flavor, or if you just did it anyways? It just seems strange that you would basically randomly pick a religion unless there was something keeping you from making a strategic choice. Did you not receive the names of the people who were recruiting you?
In post 649, Bacde wrote:Quill, why are you voting axxle if there is a 50-50 shot of finding scum in me and angrypidgeon?
Because I'm very unsure of the two of you (increasingly so, now), whereas I feel like my case on Axxle is something I can grab onto and handle with my level of expertise at this point. If this day devolves into an either/or choice, I'm thinking about where my ultimate vote should go, but frankly I don't want it to. If you are both town, we're going to need you as this game goes on, and scum might leave you around in the hopes that you don't stop tunneling each other and hand them the game. But my preference for today is, frankly, that we stop focusing on the two of you and look more seriously into the people who are sitting around watching you fight without doing anything. Including me, if you want. My flip'll only prove that I'm town and give you more evidence to use tomorrow.
In post 652, Bacde wrote:
In post 639, Quill wrote:As much as I hate "lynch me, then lynch them no-questions-asked" on principle, because it runs the risk of losing us two town if the first lynch is just flat-out wrong, in the last game I played my scumpartner bluffed with that (unsuccessfully), and it seems pretty unlikely that BOTH bacde and AP are town. Bacde is definitely the one I'd lynch first, too, so that doesn't seem like an incredibly unappealing option.
Its amazing how you imply we both need to be lynched without calling either of us scum
See above.
In post 653, Bacde wrote:
In post 639, Quill wrote:This conversation doesn't work for me. Like AP, I still can't quite make heads or tails of the first Axxle post, but either way there's nothing in it that makes a reasonless vote on AP make sense. Out of all the lurkers (Abel, implosion, Klazam, levi, LG...so, basically, everyone, including myself, I guess), Axxle's still the one I like the least. LG and Klazam bring up the rear, not necessarily in that order.
What makes you think axxle's vote was reasonless?
I'm sure it wasn't (because a reasonless vote on AP makes no sense in that exchange), but he didn't give one, and I don't like that.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #16) » Sun May 18, 2014 2:38 am

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In post 700, Klazam wrote:What the fuck.

vote bipolar chemist


Fullclaim: flying spaghetti monster

I can recruit for my church- atheism- and the first person i recruit is changed to a neckbeard redditor who has 1 less vote to lynch and who can also recruit for my church.

I was recruited to a different church during the night.

I used my alibity on bpc to check his claim.


No fucking jdea why hes doing this, but woo, confscum then
I'm mostly fine with assuming both you and BPC are town after that exchange, but why is your church atheism, instead of Pastafarianism?

I also don't have a reason not to vote Abel, but I'd sort of prefer him to be prodded...or replaced, at this point. I don't think he's posted all day, so....
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Post Post #756 (isolation #17) » Sun May 18, 2014 3:06 am

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Wait, sorry, that's sort of a dumb question with an obvious answer. If you said something specific when you sent in Flying Spaghetti Monster to suggest atheism, that'd be good to know, but it's obviously not the sort of thing you're lying about since BPC could have immediately called you on it.
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Post Post #798 (isolation #18) » Mon May 19, 2014 5:14 am

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The more this "Vote Abel" train goes on, the more I don't like it, and the more I'm confused by why people do.

Levi's actions are screaming scum at me, but his longterm play is just too town to be more than earnestness. Unless this whole unsureness on how the game works is a facade, but I feel like someone ISOed him earlier and debunked that?

I still want more resolution from bacde about how his pick of religions went down, seeing as how he dodged the question when I re-asked it and LG appears to be asking it himself now, although I think the original form of his question might not have suggested that was what he was looking to have answered.
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Post Post #888 (isolation #19) » Wed May 28, 2014 3:28 pm

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I feel like there was still something that didn't quite make sense to me about bacde's discussion about his religion pick, but as I don't remember at all what it was anymore and it really isn't that important in the long run I'm going to let it slide and just get down to the business of finishing the day with an Axxle lynch.

I would like to join in the advocacy that we wait for Abel's replacement to arrive before we pull the trigger, if we can. Going an entire day without hearing from a player slot once is not okay in my book. It's unlikely they'll have important information at this point, but who knows?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #20) » Thu May 29, 2014 9:38 am

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Bacde reveal on his support of Axxle makes me feel worse about Axxle and better about Bacde.

AP partial claim regarding Abel makes me feel better about Abel and not sure how to feel about AP.

If both Bacde and AP are town, as I'm starting to lean after time away from this game, it explains the egregious amount of lurking going on before the sitewide lurking: Scum just wanted the two of them to keep throwing stones at each other.
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Post Post #924 (isolation #21) » Thu May 29, 2014 11:20 am

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In post 921, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 920, Quill wrote:Bacde reveal on his support of Axxle makes me feel worse about Axxle and better about Bacde.
How does Bacde calling Axxle town make Axxle seem more scummy?
Sorry, to clarify: Bacde's reveal and subsequent statements about Axxle make me feel worse about Axxle. I find Axxle's alleged drop-off in both PT posts and acting townish in those posts suspicious. If Axxle got all he needed out of Bacde he has less incentive to show initiative in the private topic, especially if Bacde is not viewed as trustworthy.

But I also already support Axxle's lynch and thusly I'm more inclined to view things about him in a negative light, so your milage may vary on that point.
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Post Post #948 (isolation #22) » Sat May 31, 2014 11:16 am

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I don't see why Axxle's reasoning that AP is the only person who would recognize Messiah's dayvig threat as legitimate is an automatic lock. It seems to hinge on the belief that only someone in Messiah's religious group would be able to guess that, but that's not the case. I myself was under the impression that Messiah's dayvig was real, but executed incorrectly (or blocked or canceled, but that was my main guess), which is sort of what happened. It makes AP a more plausible suspect, but it's not entirely damning.

I also feel like I'm the only one who wasn't incredibly surprised Messiah ended up dead this morning, unless I'm not remembering posts people made about it when it happened...I mean, look at the reasons Axxle gives us. He'd basically claimed dayvig powers, which he accidentally couldn't use until Day 2. He had the double vote. If I was scum, and was looking for someone to kill on Night 1, getting rid of a potential threat and having the chance to give yourself or one of your partners the double vote seems like a smart move.

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, while I think through this and the claim a bit more.
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