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The only things I'm afraid of are giant centipedes.In post 26, Bacde wrote:You afraid of getting lynched?In post 24, Jargonaut wrote: I feel silly for not notice so many crumbs.
Why exactly do you want to lynch me already? Either of you can feel free to answer, btw.
Axxle, you thought we were jumpy? Why's that?
VOTE: Messiah Complex
In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote: All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.
Messiah pls rspndIn post 52, Jargonaut wrote:How do you figure?
Is that really it :/ ? I had thought he had something more substantial.In post 111, AngryPidgeon wrote:omfg. The whole point is that Leviathan "scumsliped" about knowing that the mafia team is aligned with Satan or something. Srsly?In post 109, Jargonaut wrote:In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote: All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.Messiah pls rspndIn post 52, Jargonaut wrote:How do you figure?
Is this actually a serious question? I assumed it was just a joke. Typically when people form a wagon, it is for the purpose of lynching.In post 110, Bicephalous Bob wrote:In post 67, Bicephalous Bob wrote:why do you think anyone besides me wants to lynch youIn post 24, Jargonaut wrote: I feel silly for not notice so many crumbs.
Why exactly do you want to lynch me already? Either of you can feel free to answer, btw.
Are naked votes this season's fashion trend or something?
Wait what makes you say the churches are trying to lynch each other?In post 115, leviathan93 wrote:I strongly doubt there even IS a "devil" or mafia team in this game. To me it seems all about your own church and lynching those who aren't in your church or eventually converting everyone to BE in your church.
there was nothing even remotely anything in the flavor saying that there was a "bad guy" of sorts. =/
Doesn't this contradict what you said about Churches being against each other?In post 173, leviathan93 wrote: 2nd. I got my win condition. i may just say it now. =/ i am town. so "I will win when all threats to town are eliminated"
ThisIn post 211, Klazam wrote:That'd be null to me, unless you know alignment and recruitablity is related? In that case why did you not press LEvithan on that point?In post 208, AngryPidgeon wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: BipolarChemist
I couldnt recruit you which means you are scum.
First it was either Lord God or implosion, but then it probably became Messiah Complex (he's the only one who was on the double counted wagon the whole time). Somebody must have been converted to his church between vote counts 1.2 - 1.3.In post 235, Bacde wrote:These votecounts are making my head spin, they cant all possibly be correct
Theres no one double voter, and i was marked twice in 1.4
Wait, did you actually fake it? I get that this post is supposed to be a joke, but I'm still not sure if you were telling the truth in it.In post 241, AngryPidgeon wrote:I FAKED IT OK. IT WAS ALL AN ELABORATE HOAX, YOU CAN FOLLOW THE TRAIL RIGHT DOWN tO THE BOTTOM. WHERE I SIT ON THIS THRONE OF LIES.
Why does what you said imply that Messiah Complex is scum more than anyone else?In post 233, leviathan93 wrote:How does anyone KNOW if someone is playing a town or scum wincon? the point is we DON'T!
both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.
yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Messiah Complex
What makes you say that?In post 283, Lord God wrote: I can back you up. He is town. Word of Me.
What's with the change of heart over AP?
I just wanted to know where you were coming from with a such a seemingly strong read on an otherwise controversial player.
I think I'm the only one who's read you didn't actually give any reasoning for. Am I the specialest snowflake?In post 313, AngryPidgeon wrote: Jargonaut What do you want to lynch Jargo for? This guy looks like textbook town to me, I mean for real. Im not gonna take a bullet for JArgo, but you will not find me on that wagon with a 11.5 foot pole.
Lord God is clearly being consciously slippery about his Leviathan read. He's specifically neglected to mention any reason to read leviathan as town.
This would be a weird way of saying that leviathan's play is town-ish, so I don't he means this is his reason. I don't see the motivation for scum to act so purposefully obvious in their vagueness, if that makes sense. But I don't know, he's being really weird and I don't know how to read it.In post 391, Lord God wrote: I have read his posting. It comes from town.
Bacde, what is your read on Quill based off of?
P-edit: LG why won't you tell us where your read comes from?
Gah, to be honest I've been waffling on just about everybody recently. I'm not sure if its the speed of the thread or the high concentration of trolling, but I can't keep a read on people for my life it seems. Though I think I came off a bit more unsure on Lord God that I really was/am. I think he's town; the more I think about it, the more I think scum wouldn't defend a player like that when joining on their wagon would be so much easier. I thought Quill's post about levi was bad, but not enough to make him scummy by itself. Now that he's posted more, I'm definitely getting town vibes from him, and I don't see myself voting him today.In post 464, Klazam wrote:JArgonaut- Who's scum? I see you questioning and talking without taking a stand on anyone. You are refusing to take an stance. You waffle on Lord God- calling him slippery, then playing it safe by saying you don't know how to read his words- could be scum could be town. Then you say Quill might garner your vote, might not. This feels to me like scum playing safe, and trying to run under the radar. you offer no strong opinions.
I guess it has gotten far enough in the day where I have to be more proactive with my vote, though.
Bicephalous Bob's early posts were hard to read early, similarly to AP and Bacde's, in that they were very unforthcoming. I don't like his 110, 460, 465, 480 (The way he twists Abel's words does not seem town). I don't get the point of asking questions like this, and it feels like he's just trying to make it seem like he's got better/townier reasons for doing things than he really has.
VOTE: Bobby
Bacde, why are you scum reading AP?
implosion why do you feel that BPC is scum?
Ok, with the way you had been phrasing things I figured it was something like that, but figured I'd ask.In post 488, Bacde wrote:Im mostly just scumreading ap because i know hes scum
If you are going to follow me on that read its going to have to be based on faith since i cant explain it better than that
How do you know that vanilla mafia are unrecruitable? I feel like people have brought this up before and it never got resolved.
P-Edit: When you say reasons you'd given earlier, you are reffering to you saying the tone of his first post was off, correct?
You know what? I think I missed that when I read your 458 the first time. What do you think of bcb?In post 500, implosion wrote:AP's post convinced me. Particularly the point about bacde.implosion why do you feel that BPC is scum?
What makes you think scum are in the same religion to start out with?In post 507, Quill wrote: But then there's that bit where he offers up that he can't be recruited pretty easily, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing scum would lie about unless their win condition requires them to have their church intact. Otherwise, it's probably to their benefit to get snatched up by another church and get a private topic to be sneaky in.
Abel, do you think that Bob is scum? You've said more about him recently than the person you're currently voting for.
When I first read that I thought it was a scum slip, but then I realized I am dumb. Carry on.In post 510, Quill wrote:Nothing, but I was trying to brainstorm reasons scum would say they couldn't be recruited (if they actually could) and that's the only one I could think of. It seems pretty unlikely though, agreed.In post 509, Jargonaut wrote:What makes you think scum are in the same religion to start out with?In post 507, Quill wrote: But then there's that bit where he offers up that he can't be recruited pretty easily, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing scum would lie about unless their win condition requires them to have their church intact. Otherwise, it's probably to their benefit to get snatched up by another church and get a private topic to be sneaky in.
Who called him lurker scum?In post 513, implosion wrote:Undecided. I think calling him lurkerscum is silly because of game pace. Just calling him scum is less silly. I should probably stare at his iso a bit more.What do you think of bcb?
If you mean, what was I trying to accomplish, then not much of anything.In post 532, Klazam wrote:what's the point of this statement?In post 531, Jargonaut wrote:When I first read that I thought it was a scum slip, but then I realized I am dumb. Carry on.
I second the request for an explanation from Axxle. I thought I'd put this in my last post but I guess I'm developing some form of dementia:
If LG and levi were scum together, wouldn't it make more sense for LG to make a reasonable defense, rather than just go "Hey guys he's town," and be obviously obtuse about it?
He is specifically associating the two of them.In post 534, Bicephalous Bob wrote:there's nothing wrong with using interactions between two players to call both of them scummy
that's different than association without flip
Lol, I meant that he posted something close to what I posted at the same time as me.In post 548, AngryPidgeon wrote:How can you have a ninja read on klazam yet it's not even n1. Bob wagon is good for my win con more votes plz
In post 564, AngryPidgeon wrote:Also he supposedly recruited you but Im not sure if you joined the PT or not.
Was Messiah able to recruit during both the day and the night?In post 566, AngryPidgeon wrote:No its just me and MC in the Pt.
He told me in the PT that he was told by the mod that he could only take one action per Day. his action yesterday was to recruit me. Apparently he actually did submit a dayvig on Levi but it wasnt allowed to go through.
With 5 people on the bob wagon yesterday, there's likely to have been scum on it. You three made the worst votes on bob yesterday, IMO. I'll probably go over your ISOs again when I get the chance.In post 574, Bacde wrote:Jargo explain your reasoning about that threesome im interested
I'm still interested in this question. Also, AP, did you recruit anyone last night?In post 568, Jargonaut wrote:In post 564, AngryPidgeon wrote:Also he supposedly recruited you but Im not sure if you joined the PT or not.Was Messiah able to recruit during both the day and the night?In post 566, AngryPidgeon wrote:No its just me and MC in the Pt.
He told me in the PT that he was told by the mod that he could only take one action per Day. his action yesterday was to recruit me. Apparently he actually did submit a dayvig on Levi but it wasnt allowed to go through.
Klazam, would you elaborate on your AP read?
Why did you want to point this out?In post 640, leviathan93 wrote:First of all I want to point out that MC once i saw that he was town was the best kill for last night. he WAS too obvious in a way. a perfect kill since all the rest of us are struggling and fighting over each other. =/
If you aren't defending yourself, then why did you make a post telling everyone that Messiah was objectively the best person for scum to kill? It reads like you are trying to convince everyone that Messiah being NK'd isn't implicative of your alignment, despite the fact that no one had made such an assertion.In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:what? i'm defending myself? i don't have a need to defend myself today you are right.In post 758, Jargonaut wrote:Levi, you seem to be defending yourself against an argument that no one made. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the NK making you look scummy today, so why would you need to defend yourself?
Both Klazam and BPC get town points. I'll iso Abel later when I get the chance.
Why?In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
Levi answer this please =pIn post 772, Jargonaut wrote:Why?In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
VOTE: Leviathan
Nothing particularly town came from him day 1, and his recent preemptive defensiveness and unexplained flip flop on Abel are giving me the jibblies.
UNVOTE: levi
One last question, is your reason the result of hearing LG's reason, or did you arrive at the conclusion independently?
I'm not sure about quill, though. I need to go over {implo, quill, axxle} ISOs again because their day 1s are hazy and their day 2s are relatively nonexistent. Of the three I mentioned at the start of the day, axxle was the worst, so I could see myself lynching him.
One last question, is your reason the result of hearing LG's reason, or did you arrive at the conclusion independently?
I'm not sure about quill, though. I need to go over {implo, quill, axxle} ISOs again because their day 1s are hazy and their day 2s are relatively nonexistent. Of the three I mentioned at the start of the day, axxle was the worst, so I could see myself lynching him.
What part of Lord God's reasoning helped you decide to vote? I'm not actually seeing any posts about AbelCain in his posting history.In post 859, leviathan93 wrote:lol, I was thinking you were referring to my vote on abelcain and that lord god supported it as well and you were wondering if i reached the conclusion to vote for him myself or from lord god. =PIn post 858, Jargonaut wrote:Wait what? What question did you think I was asking you? (I wasn't)
I almost forgot about this. Please clarify.In post 863, Jargonaut wrote:What part of Lord God's reasoning helped you decide to vote? I'm not actually seeing any posts about AbelCain in his posting history.In post 859, leviathan93 wrote:lol, I was thinking you were referring to my vote on abelcain and that lord god supported it as well and you were wondering if i reached the conclusion top vote for him myself or from lord god. =PIn post 858, Jargonaut wrote:Wait what? What question did you think I was asking you? (I wasn't)
I'm still happy with Axxle for today. That said, I'm thinking it would be nice to have Abel's replacement chime in before the lynch.
How? I don't see it.In post 995, Bacde wrote:Pretty much this line is good enough to lynch bipolarchemistIn post 579, BipolarChemist wrote: How 'bout no? I may not be very good, but gosh darn I'm trying!
I see what you're saying, but to be honest, that seems like a pretty weak tell. What do you think of BPC's reaction test with Klazam? What would be his motivation for doing that as scum?
I looked over implo again, and I'm up for it.
VOTE: Implosion.
In fact, since we're discussing possible scum teams now, I'm leaning Axxle/Implo.
I looked over implo again, and I'm up for it.
VOTE: Implosion.
In fact, since we're discussing possible scum teams now, I'm leaning Axxle/Implo.
Bacde, AP's read of me seemed consistent with his "style", so I didn't see it as noteworthy, especially when I'm town reading him myself.
I can't see myself voting BPC today. I don't think town needs the same sort of motivation to do things as scum. I think scum are more likely to plan out their actions, while town are more likely to play it by ear, so to speak.
AP, if you're willing to vote implo, do it. BPC is not the wagon you're looking for.
Axxle's recent posts have been better than implosion's. I'm still happy with lynching implo. Also, I'm not much of a fan of the "sorry my play looks scummy" posts.
I can't see myself voting BPC today. I don't think town needs the same sort of motivation to do things as scum. I think scum are more likely to plan out their actions, while town are more likely to play it by ear, so to speak.
AP, if you're willing to vote implo, do it. BPC is not the wagon you're looking for.
Axxle's recent posts have been better than implosion's. I'm still happy with lynching implo. Also, I'm not much of a fan of the "sorry my play looks scummy" posts.
I don't know what good a mass claim will do us right now. I'd rather not. Why do you want to mass claim? Why does the evidence have to wait until it happens?
Axxle, why aren't you voting implosion if you have evidence against him?
Bacde continuously unvoting/not hammering despite his comments is weirding me out too, but I can't see it coming from scum Bacde/town AP. It's either scum/scum or town Bacde, and my money is on town/town.
Klazam/LG/Levi is tricky for me right now. There's too much top secret business going on there.
Axxle, why aren't you voting implosion if you have evidence against him?
Bacde continuously unvoting/not hammering despite his comments is weirding me out too, but I can't see it coming from scum Bacde/town AP. It's either scum/scum or town Bacde, and my money is on town/town.
Klazam/LG/Levi is tricky for me right now. There's too much top secret business going on there.
Yes, but I'm not taking his word for anything, if that's what you mean.In post 1249, AngryPidgeon wrote:Do you have any decent reason to think BPC is town?In post 1245, Jargonaut wrote:Also, AP, my reason for strongly town reading you had to do with BPC's question.
AP, you honestly have everything you need to know what we know and how we know it. This doubly goes for mastin and Kagami.
mastin, what makes you certain Kagami is town? (Emphasis on certain)
Kagami, why did you want to know about people who have night recruits? I have one, but my church isn't empty.
mastin, what makes you certain Kagami is town? (Emphasis on certain)
Rule #3 makes it seem as such, but it's a little ambiguous.In post 1347, Kagami wrote:Has recruitment been compulsory for everyone so far? (i.e. you get a choice if you get multiple recruitments, but are unable to stay in your original religion?)
Kagami, why did you want to know about people who have night recruits? I have one, but my church isn't empty.
Why did it rely on knowing you would recruit?In post 1369, Kagami wrote:2. The above is true, and AP is also scum, and this was an elaborate gambit that relied on them knowing I would recruit.
When I recruit people, I send them a list of questions. Furthermore, BPC can choose a person each night to recieve a message about their son being taken on a boat harem. Apparently, he chose AP.
In post 1221, mastin2 wrote: I'm not sure whether it was actually a choice (initial PM saidAbelcain could choose to answer questionsand not join, but Abelcain chose to answer questions AND join), but I got recruited into a new church, following the aztec god of war.
Someone stole a young boy from me.
Klazam/LG/Leviathan are being hush hush still about why LG and Levi are for sure town. I'm more convinced about Levi, since only Klazam has said that LG is town.
Even without the RB, I can't see scum AP switching himself and AbelCain.
I'm seeing Kagami as town much more than mastin.
Given that we have a confirmed delayer
Even without the RB, I can't see scum AP switching himself and AbelCain.
I'm seeing Kagami as town much more than mastin.
Given that we have a confirmed delayer
Yeah I'm wondering the same thing.
How do you figure this?In post 1450, Kagami wrote:That alone doesn't make LG town. I don't see how scum-LG would have been able to avoid admitting to knowing that levi is town by the end of the day.
1) Gah, when I tried to thumb the text window so I could hit delete, I hit submit instead. #manhandsIn post 1594, AngryPidgeon wrote: 1) Calling Axxle's role confirmed and then immediately showing guilt about having done that.
2) Calling BPC probtown for having a fruit vendor role.
2) Yeah, I think my train of thought was suffering from confirmation bias.
Not much to say about the walls. They aren't exactly presenting any novel ideas.
I can't imagine the mod would put a person who can passively catch scum like that in the same PT as scum, and then make that same person cause both players to be unrecruitable.
And if you can catch scum in your PT, why would you want me to recruit AP when you townread him N1?
BPC is playing mad mind games in the PT and this whole thing is confusing the hell out of me.
And if you can catch scum in your PT, why would you want me to recruit AP when you townread him N1?
BPC is playing mad mind games in the PT and this whole thing is confusing the hell out of me.
Like for real doe.In post 1747, Jargonaut wrote:Seriously though, BPC supposedly seeing all the people in his religion's actions AND causing them to be unrecruitable would be broken if he started in the same religion as scum.
Also, I really messed up day 1, but was my early-mid day 2 play alright?