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Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:33 pm

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Me reading through Angry Pidgeon's posts:

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I thought you said you showed as town? Isn't that the opposite of a miller?

P-Edit: Ok what
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Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:44 pm

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:( I feel silly for not notice so many crumbs.

Why exactly do you want to lynch me already? Either of you can feel free to answer, btw.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #2) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:52 pm

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In post 26, Bacde wrote:
In post 24, Jargonaut wrote::( I feel silly for not notice so many crumbs.

Why exactly do you want to lynch me already? Either of you can feel free to answer, btw.
You afraid of getting lynched?
The only things I'm afraid of are giant centipedes.

Axxle, you thought we were jumpy? Why's that?

VOTE: Messiah Complex
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Post Post #52 (isolation #3) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:00 pm

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How do you figure?
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Post Post #53 (isolation #4) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:00 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #80 (isolation #5) » Tue May 06, 2014 6:43 am

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What exactly are people voting Messiah for? I'm thinking it isn't for the same reason I was.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #6) » Tue May 06, 2014 10:20 am

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In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote: All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.
In post 52, Jargonaut wrote:How do you figure?
Messiah pls rspnd
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Post Post #120 (isolation #7) » Tue May 06, 2014 10:35 am

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In post 111, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 109, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote: All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.
In post 52, Jargonaut wrote:How do you figure?
Messiah pls rspnd
omfg. The whole point is that Leviathan "scumsliped" about knowing that the mafia team is aligned with Satan or something. Srsly?

:igmeou:
Is that really it :/ ? I had thought he had something more substantial.
In post 110, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
In post 67, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
In post 24, Jargonaut wrote::( I feel silly for not notice so many crumbs.

Why exactly do you want to lynch me already? Either of you can feel free to answer, btw.
why do you think anyone besides me wants to lynch you
Is this actually a serious question? I assumed it was just a joke. Typically when people form a wagon, it is for the purpose of lynching.

Are naked votes this season's fashion trend or something?
In post 115, leviathan93 wrote:I strongly doubt there even IS a "devil" or mafia team in this game. To me it seems all about your own church and lynching those who aren't in your church or eventually converting everyone to BE in your church.

there was nothing even remotely anything in the flavor saying that there was a "bad guy" of sorts. =/
Wait what makes you say the churches are trying to lynch each other?
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Post Post #168 (isolation #8) » Tue May 06, 2014 11:45 am

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Levi, how do you know you are in a church if you have no PT?
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Post Post #175 (isolation #9) » Tue May 06, 2014 11:51 am

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In post 173, leviathan93 wrote: 2nd. I got my win condition. i may just say it now. =/ i am town. so "I will win when all threats to town are eliminated"
Doesn't this contradict what you said about Churches being against each other?
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Post Post #176 (isolation #10) » Tue May 06, 2014 11:52 am

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Oh, and you have to go the the private topics board to see your church. You can find it from the main page I think
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Post Post #214 (isolation #11) » Tue May 06, 2014 1:25 pm

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In post 213, Bacde wrote:Quill is probably scum btw but doesnt seem dangerous
Is this because of his comment on not wanting to get involved with levi's wagon?
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Post Post #215 (isolation #12) » Tue May 06, 2014 1:26 pm

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In post 211, Klazam wrote:
In post 208, AngryPidgeon wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: BipolarChemist

I couldnt recruit you which means you are scum.
That'd be null to me, unless you know alignment and recruitablity is related? In that case why did you not press LEvithan on that point?
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Post Post #242 (isolation #13) » Tue May 06, 2014 2:41 pm

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In post 235, Bacde wrote:These votecounts are making my head spin, they cant all possibly be correct

Theres no one double voter, and i was marked twice in 1.4
First it was either Lord God or implosion, but then it probably became Messiah Complex (he's the only one who was on the double counted wagon the whole time). Somebody must have been converted to his church between vote counts 1.2 - 1.3.
In post 241, AngryPidgeon wrote:I FAKED IT OK. IT WAS ALL AN ELABORATE HOAX, YOU CAN FOLLOW THE TRAIL RIGHT DOWN tO THE BOTTOM. WHERE I SIT ON THIS THRONE OF LIES.
Wait, did you actually fake it? I get that this post is supposed to be a joke, but I'm still not sure if you were telling the truth in it.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #14) » Tue May 06, 2014 2:42 pm

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In post 233, leviathan93 wrote:How does anyone KNOW if someone is playing a town or scum wincon? the point is we DON'T!

both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.

yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Messiah Complex
Why does what you said imply that Messiah Complex is scum more than anyone else?
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Post Post #253 (isolation #15) » Tue May 06, 2014 3:29 pm

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In post 190, Klazam wrote:
unvote, vote Jargonaut


I give up on levi.


Back to JArgo for his early jumpiness
Care to elaborate on this?
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Post Post #286 (isolation #16) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:55 am

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In post 283, Lord God wrote: I can back you up. He is town. Word of Me.
What makes you say that?
In post 285, Bacde wrote:
vote angrypidgeon


Sheep me lord god
What's with the change of heart over AP?
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Post Post #303 (isolation #17) » Wed May 07, 2014 6:32 am

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In post 290, Lord God wrote: Because he is.

But, for arguments sake, why would you think he isn't?
I just wanted to know where you were coming from with a such a seemingly strong read on an otherwise controversial player.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #18) » Wed May 07, 2014 11:34 am

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In post 313, AngryPidgeon wrote: Jargonaut What do you want to lynch Jargo for? This guy looks like textbook town to me, I mean for real. Im not gonna take a bullet for JArgo, but you will not find me on that wagon with a 11.5 foot pole.
I think I'm the only one who's read you didn't actually give any reasoning for. Am I the specialest snowflake?

Lord God is clearly being consciously slippery about his Leviathan read. He's specifically neglected to mention any reason to read leviathan as town.
In post 391, Lord God wrote: I have read his posting. It comes from town.
This would be a weird way of saying that leviathan's play is town-ish, so I don't he means this is his reason. I don't see the motivation for scum to act so purposefully obvious in their vagueness, if that makes sense. But I don't know, he's being really weird and I don't know how to read it.

Bacde, what is your read on Quill based off of?

P-edit: LG why won't you tell us where your read comes from?
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Post Post #402 (isolation #19) » Wed May 07, 2014 12:14 pm

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I don't know, it seems more likely that scum would have just hopped onto the levi wagon which was going fairly strong at that point. I need to see more than two posts from Quill before I can form a read on him.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #20) » Wed May 07, 2014 12:51 pm

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Good point, but I'm still not convinced to join the wagon. If Quill continues to act similarly I might change my mind.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #21) » Thu May 08, 2014 9:52 am

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In post 464, Klazam wrote:JArgonaut- Who's scum? I see you questioning and talking without taking a stand on anyone. You are refusing to take an stance. You waffle on Lord God- calling him slippery, then playing it safe by saying you don't know how to read his words- could be scum could be town. Then you say Quill might garner your vote, might not. This feels to me like scum playing safe, and trying to run under the radar. you offer no strong opinions.
Gah, to be honest I've been waffling on just about everybody recently. I'm not sure if its the speed of the thread or the high concentration of trolling, but I can't keep a read on people for my life it seems. Though I think I came off a bit more unsure on Lord God that I really was/am. I think he's town; the more I think about it, the more I think scum wouldn't defend a player like that when joining on their wagon would be so much easier. I thought Quill's post about levi was bad, but not enough to make him scummy by itself. Now that he's posted more, I'm definitely getting town vibes from him, and I don't see myself voting him today.

I guess it has gotten far enough in the day where I have to be more proactive with my vote, though.

Bicephalous Bob's early posts were hard to read early, similarly to AP and Bacde's, in that they were very unforthcoming. I don't like his , , , (The way he twists Abel's words does not seem town). I don't get the point of asking questions like this, and it feels like he's just trying to make it seem like he's got better/townier reasons for doing things than he really has.
VOTE: Bobby

Bacde, why are you scum reading AP?

implosion why do you feel that BPC is scum?
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Post Post #492 (isolation #22) » Thu May 08, 2014 10:29 am

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In post 488, Bacde wrote:Im mostly just scumreading ap because i know hes scum

If you are going to follow me on that read its going to have to be based on faith since i cant explain it better than that
Ok, with the way you had been phrasing things I figured it was something like that, but figured I'd ask.

How do you know that vanilla mafia are unrecruitable? I feel like people have brought this up before and it never got resolved.

P-Edit: When you say reasons you'd given earlier, you are reffering to you saying the tone of his first post was off, correct?
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Post Post #509 (isolation #23) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:53 pm

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In post 500, implosion wrote:
implosion why do you feel that BPC is scum?
convinced me. Particularly the point about bacde.
You know what? I think I missed that when I read your the first time. What do you think of bcb?
In post 507, Quill wrote: But then there's that bit where he offers up that he can't be recruited pretty easily, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing scum would lie about unless their win condition requires them to have their church intact. Otherwise, it's probably to their benefit to get snatched up by another church and get a private topic to be sneaky in.
What makes you think scum are in the same religion to start out with?

Abel, do you think that Bob is scum? You've said more about him recently than the person you're currently voting for.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #24) » Thu May 08, 2014 7:25 pm

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=P
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Post Post #531 (isolation #25) » Fri May 09, 2014 7:54 am

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In post 510, Quill wrote:
In post 509, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 507, Quill wrote: But then there's that bit where he offers up that he can't be recruited pretty easily, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing scum would lie about unless their win condition requires them to have their church intact. Otherwise, it's probably to their benefit to get snatched up by another church and get a private topic to be sneaky in.
What makes you think scum are in the same religion to start out with?
Nothing, but I was trying to brainstorm reasons scum would say they couldn't be recruited (if they actually could) and that's the only one I could think of. It seems pretty unlikely though, agreed.
When I first read that I thought it was a scum slip, but then I realized I am dumb. Carry on.
In post 513, implosion wrote:
What do you think of bcb?
Undecided. I think calling him lurkerscum is silly because of game pace. Just calling him scum is less silly. I should probably stare at his iso a bit more.
Who called him lurker scum?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #26) » Fri May 09, 2014 8:30 am

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In post 532, Klazam wrote:
In post 531, Jargonaut wrote:When I first read that I thought it was a scum slip, but then I realized I am dumb. Carry on.
what's the point of this statement?
If you mean, what was I trying to accomplish, then not much of anything.

I second the request for an explanation from Axxle. I thought I'd put this in my last post but I guess I'm developing some form of dementia:
If LG and levi were scum together, wouldn't it make more sense for LG to make a reasonable defense, rather than just go "Hey guys he's town," and be obviously obtuse about it?
In post 534, Bicephalous Bob wrote:there's nothing wrong with using interactions between two players to call both of them scummy

that's different than association without flip
He is specifically associating the two of them.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #27) » Sat May 10, 2014 2:40 pm

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What do you think of Klazam's vote on you, Bob?
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Post Post #547 (isolation #28) » Sat May 10, 2014 2:40 pm

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dat ninja Klazam action
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Post Post #550 (isolation #29) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:28 pm

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In post 548, AngryPidgeon wrote:How can you have a ninja read on klazam yet it's not even n1. Bob wagon is good for my win con more votes plz
Lol, I meant that he posted something close to what I posted at the same time as me.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #30) » Wed May 14, 2014 5:58 pm

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In post 564, AngryPidgeon wrote:Also he supposedly recruited you but Im not sure if you joined the PT or not.
In post 566, AngryPidgeon wrote:No its just me and MC in the Pt.

He told me in the PT that he was told by the mod that he could only take one action per Day. his action yesterday was to recruit me. Apparently he actually did submit a dayvig on Levi but it wasnt allowed to go through.
Was Messiah able to recruit during both the day and the night?
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Post Post #569 (isolation #31) » Wed May 14, 2014 6:07 pm

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There's probably scum within {Bacde, Axxle, Klazam}
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Post Post #618 (isolation #32) » Thu May 15, 2014 6:23 am

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In post 574, Bacde wrote:Jargo explain your reasoning about that threesome im interested
With 5 people on the bob wagon yesterday, there's likely to have been scum on it. You three made the worst votes on bob yesterday, IMO. I'll probably go over your ISOs again when I get the chance.

In post 568, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 564, AngryPidgeon wrote:Also he supposedly recruited you but Im not sure if you joined the PT or not.
In post 566, AngryPidgeon wrote:No its just me and MC in the Pt.

He told me in the PT that he was told by the mod that he could only take one action per Day. his action yesterday was to recruit me. Apparently he actually did submit a dayvig on Levi but it wasnt allowed to go through.
Was Messiah able to recruit during both the day and the night?
I'm still interested in this question. Also, AP, did you recruit anyone last night?
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Post Post #637 (isolation #33) » Fri May 16, 2014 1:17 am

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Sorry everyone, my last two finals are today and tomorrow. I might be able to sneak in a post tonight, but otherwise I'm on V/LA till Sunday.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #34) » Fri May 16, 2014 7:32 am

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Klazam, would you elaborate on your AP read?
In post 640, leviathan93 wrote:First of all I want to point out that MC once i saw that he was town was the best kill for last night. he WAS too obvious in a way. a perfect kill since all the rest of us are struggling and fighting over each other. =/
Why did you want to point this out?
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Post Post #758 (isolation #35) » Sun May 18, 2014 4:27 am

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Levi, you seem to be defending yourself against an argument that no one made. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the NK making you look scummy today, so why would you need to defend yourself?

Both Klazam and BPC get town points. I'll iso Abel later when I get the chance.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #36) » Sun May 18, 2014 9:19 am

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In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 758, Jargonaut wrote:Levi, you seem to be defending yourself against an argument that no one made. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the NK making you look scummy today, so why would you need to defend yourself?

Both Klazam and BPC get town points. I'll iso Abel later when I get the chance.
what? i'm defending myself? i don't have a need to defend myself today you are right.
If you aren't defending yourself, then why did you make a post telling everyone that Messiah was objectively the best person for scum to kill? It reads like you are trying to convince everyone that Messiah being NK'd isn't implicative of your alignment, despite the fact that no one had made such an assertion.
In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
Why?
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Post Post #773 (isolation #37) » Sun May 18, 2014 9:22 am

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Oh, that last post by Implosion was bad.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #38) » Mon May 19, 2014 10:39 am

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In post 772, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 764, leviathan93 wrote:but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
Why?
Levi answer this please =p

VOTE: Leviathan
Nothing particularly town came from him day 1, and his recent preemptive defensiveness and unexplained flip flop on Abel are giving me the jibblies.
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Post Post #816 (isolation #39) » Mon May 19, 2014 10:52 am

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Also, can we stop asking bacde about him being recruited by multiple churches? What he's saying matches the description in the rules, and at this point it's just fluff.
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Post Post #817 (isolation #40) » Mon May 19, 2014 10:54 am

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AP, why did the exchange between Klazam and BPC make BPC look worse than he did before to you?
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Post Post #834 (isolation #41) » Tue May 20, 2014 5:43 am

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Klazam, are you defending levi for the same reason that Lord God defended him?
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Post Post #849 (isolation #42) » Tue May 20, 2014 7:45 am

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UNVOTE: levi
One last question, is your reason the result of hearing LG's reason, or did you arrive at the conclusion independently?

I'm not sure about quill, though. I need to go over {implo, quill, axxle} ISOs again because their day 1s are hazy and their day 2s are relatively nonexistent. Of the three I mentioned at the start of the day, axxle was the worst, so I could see myself lynching him.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #43) » Tue May 20, 2014 12:39 pm

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Quill's posts today have been bad, and I'd be okay with lynching him, but I'd prefer axxle.

He throws down constant naked votes with little attempt to actually pressure his suspects. His bob vote was gross.

VOTE: axxle
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Post Post #858 (isolation #44) » Tue May 20, 2014 1:17 pm

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Wait what? What question did you think I was asking you? (I wasn't)
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Post Post #863 (isolation #45) » Tue May 20, 2014 1:45 pm

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In post 859, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 858, Jargonaut wrote:Wait what? What question did you think I was asking you? (I wasn't)
lol, I was thinking you were referring to my vote on abelcain and that lord god supported it as well and you were wondering if i reached the conclusion to vote for him myself or from lord god. =P
What part of Lord God's reasoning helped you decide to vote? I'm not actually seeing any posts about AbelCain in his posting history.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #46) » Tue May 27, 2014 3:11 pm

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MFW the site is back:
Image

But in all seriousness, I'm going to look over ISOs again to get back in the game.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #47) » Wed May 28, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 863, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 859, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 858, Jargonaut wrote:Wait what? What question did you think I was asking you? (I wasn't)
lol, I was thinking you were referring to my vote on abelcain and that lord god supported it as well and you were wondering if i reached the conclusion top vote for him myself or from lord god. =P
What part of Lord God's reasoning helped you decide to vote? I'm not actually seeing any posts about AbelCain in his posting history.
I almost forgot about this. Please clarify.

I'm still happy with Axxle for today. That said, I'm thinking it would be nice to have Abel's replacement chime in before the lynch.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #48) » Wed May 28, 2014 11:36 am

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AP, why are you tempted to sheep Levi?
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Post Post #894 (isolation #49) » Wed May 28, 2014 4:30 pm

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Bacde, why did you just change a bunch of your reads? Specifically, why do you think Axxle is town?
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Post Post #903 (isolation #50) » Thu May 29, 2014 5:18 am

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Bacde, I asked about Axxle because he's the largest wagon (and I'm voting him), so if you think you have a good reason to now think he's town instead, I'd like to hear it. I was also wondering why you would flip on quill when you've been pushing him fairly consistently.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #51) » Thu May 29, 2014 10:19 am

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In post 920, Quill wrote:Bacde reveal on his support of Axxle makes me feel worse about Axxle and better about Bacde.
How does Bacde calling Axxle town make Axxle seem more scummy?
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Post Post #927 (isolation #52) » Thu May 29, 2014 3:56 pm

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What about Klazam?

Bacde, what do you mean, "bus town"?

I don't really like Quill's explanation. Axxle has been consistently less active than average, so I don't see how it makes him scummy
now
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Post Post #933 (isolation #53) » Fri May 30, 2014 10:39 am

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The mod mentioned everyone had posted but AbelCain, but you hadn't. I was just correcting him. I think he edited it out.

Klazam, what's your opinion on axxle and his wagon?
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Post Post #956 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:09 am

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I'm not sold on Axxle's reasoning as far as AP goes.

Levi, why do you think AP is scum if you think Axxle's reasoning is bad?
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Post Post #966 (isolation #55) » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:38 am

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I'd consider implo, but I'm not convinced that Axxle is town just because he claimed, and I'm not really feeling AP as scum. I'm still happy lynching Axxle today.
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:26 pm

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In post 995, Bacde wrote:
In post 579, BipolarChemist wrote: How 'bout no? I may not be very good, but gosh darn I'm trying!
Pretty much this line is good enough to lynch bipolarchemist
How? I don't see it.
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #57) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:21 pm

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I see what you're saying, but to be honest, that seems like a pretty weak tell. What do you think of BPC's reaction test with Klazam? What would be his motivation for doing that as scum?

I looked over implo again, and I'm up for it.
VOTE: Implosion.
In fact, since we're discussing possible scum teams now, I'm leaning Axxle/Implo.
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:39 pm

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Bacde, AP's read of me seemed consistent with his "style", so I didn't see it as noteworthy, especially when I'm town reading him myself.

I can't see myself voting BPC today. I don't think town needs the same sort of motivation to do things as scum. I think scum are more likely to plan out their actions, while town are more likely to play it by ear, so to speak.

AP, if you're willing to vote implo, do it. BPC is not the wagon you're looking for.

Axxle's recent posts have been better than implosion's. I'm still happy with lynching implo. Also, I'm not much of a fan of the "sorry my play looks scummy" posts.
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #59) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:16 am

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AP, who did you busdrive n1?

What does super religion mean? Are you saying the people in your religion would be recruited as well?

Bacde, I'm already good with implosion, but any chance you could tell us anything about this evidence you have?

Glad to see we got the replacement. Welcome!
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #60) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:48 pm

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Hey, remember when we had implosion at L-1, before the wagon collapsed because Bacde went rabid? That was nice. I'm nostalgic. Perhaps we can still recapture that magic!
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #61) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:50 am

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I can't currently remember why most people on the AP wagon are even on it. Before anyone thinks about hammering, I'd like to hear why everyone thinks AP is scum and should be lynched.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #62) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:51 am

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Hmm, why's that?
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #63) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:30 am

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I don't feel good about a single one of the votes on AP. Seriously, LG's is the only one that has been explained, and even then I don't really like his reasoning. Why is he voting AP over Bacde?
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #64) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:32 am

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Where is quill?
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #65) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:36 pm

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Why aren't we lynching this guy?
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #66) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:40 am

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I don't know what good a mass claim will do us right now. I'd rather not. Why do you want to mass claim? Why does the evidence have to wait until it happens?

Axxle, why aren't you voting implosion if you have evidence against him?

Bacde continuously unvoting/not hammering despite his comments is weirding me out too, but I can't see it coming from scum Bacde/town AP. It's either scum/scum or town Bacde, and my money is on town/town.

Klazam/LG/Levi is tricky for me right now. There's too much top secret business going on there.
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #67) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:15 am

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I'm very confident that AP is town. Please lynch implosion with me.

Mastin, didn't you/AbelCain recruit Quill? You can't be in the same church, can you?

I agree, Levi is town unless LG/Klazam flip scum.

I'm not sure of the validity of the Implo evidence. Why did that require a mass claim?
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #68) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:16 pm

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He would have known it would be checked, so why lie? This doesn't make any sense. Maybe he didn't know he couldn't use both?

Also, AP, my reason for strongly town reading you had to do with BPC's question.
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #69) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:39 pm

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In post 1249, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1245, Jargonaut wrote:Also, AP, my reason for strongly town reading you had to do with BPC's question.
Do you have any decent reason to think BPC is town?
Yes, but I'm not taking his word for anything, if that's what you mean.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #70) » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:43 am

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Klazam, who are your scum reads?
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #71) » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:05 pm

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...and!?!?

Bacde, AP is town. Vote implo so we can lynch scum today.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #72) » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:06 pm

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I'll even vote Axxle again if it means we don't lynch one of my town reads.
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #73) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:08 pm

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I don't know, I keep getting my hopes up about this wagon, but you all keep dumping on my dreams.
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Post Post #1320 (isolation #74) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:54 am

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It's a bit different in a game where roles aren't fully revealed upon death, though. The only way town can learn roles that aren't claimed is with an RC.

Welcome Kagami! Just to clarify, you know why mastin got recruited into your church, but not why you didn't get recruited into his?
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:14 am

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Kagami, we are reading AP as town for the same reason. Trust me. I understand what happened. It didn't click in my head until I read mastin's post.
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #76) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:16 am

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I think this is enough to get rid of the wagon on AP.
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #77) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:11 am

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Yeah, I haven't seen much town play come from Axxle.

I'd like to see what Klazam has to say about recent events.
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #78) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:59 am

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AP, you honestly have everything you need to know what we know and how we know it. This doubly goes for mastin and Kagami.

mastin, what makes you certain Kagami is town? (Emphasis on certain)
In post 1347, Kagami wrote:Has recruitment been compulsory for everyone so far? (i.e. you get a choice if you get multiple recruitments, but are unable to stay in your original religion?)
Rule #3 makes it seem as such, but it's a little ambiguous.

Kagami, why did you want to know about people who have night recruits? I have one, but my church isn't empty.
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #79) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:37 am

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Here I was trying not to spill it until AP wanted to.
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Post Post #1371 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:39 am

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Either mastin and AP are scum together, or the bus drive succeeded.
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:48 am

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In post 1369, Kagami wrote:2. The above is true, and AP is also scum, and this was an elaborate gambit that relied on them knowing I would recruit.
Why did it rely on knowing you would recruit?

When I recruit people, I send them a list of questions. Furthermore, BPC can choose a person each night to recieve a message about their son being taken on a boat harem. Apparently, he chose AP.
In post 1221, mastin2 wrote: I'm not sure whether it was actually a choice (initial PM said
Abelcain could choose to answer questions
and not join, but Abelcain chose to answer questions AND join), but I got recruited into a new church, following the aztec god of war.
Someone stole a young boy from me
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #82) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:53 am

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Yes.
And I was so disappointed
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:07 pm

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Kagami, I am the one who recruited AP n1. BPC has no such ability.

AP also recruited Bacde, I think.
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:09 pm

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Not all religions started empty. Mine didn't. I assume Levi was in LG's from the start as well.
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #85) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:59 am

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Klazam/LG/Leviathan are being hush hush still about why LG and Levi are for sure town. I'm more convinced about Levi, since only Klazam has said that LG is town.


Even without the RB, I can't see scum AP switching himself and AbelCain.

I'm seeing Kagami as town much more than mastin.

Given that we have a confirmed delayer
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #86) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:01 am

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Gah, phone. Meant to take back the word "confirmed."

Anyway, given that there's a delayer and a bus driver, BPC's message ability looks town.
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Post Post #1433 (isolation #87) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:38 am

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His ability to send the message has no use outside of interacting with those sorts of abilities (He doesn't choose the message). Though, now that I think about it more I'm not sure if it's actually more likely to be a town role.
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #88) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:32 am

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Yeah I'm wondering the same thing.
In post 1450, Kagami wrote:That alone doesn't make LG town. I don't see how scum-LG would have been able to avoid admitting to knowing that levi is town by the end of the day.
How do you figure this?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #89) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:48 am

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We were in the church together from the start.

Kagami, I don't think you answered either question.
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #90) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:51 am

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Yes, AP. As I said, I recruited you.
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #91) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:52 am

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Mastin referenced the fact that my recruit got directed at him
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Post Post #1563 (isolation #92) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:16 pm

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Okay, I'm good with a mastin lynch. I'm really not buying the whole, "If I were scum I'd be playing better" argument, and she looks really flail-y citing it so much.

VOTE: mastin

That's l-2. Whoever puts mastin at l-1 should coordinate with Kagami.
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Post Post #1608 (isolation #93) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:13 am

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In post 1594, AngryPidgeon wrote: 1) Calling Axxle's role confirmed and then immediately showing guilt about having done that.
2) Calling BPC probtown for having a fruit vendor role.
1) Gah, when I tried to thumb the text window so I could hit delete, I hit submit instead. #manhands
2) Yeah, I think my train of thought was suffering from confirmation bias.

Not much to say about the walls. They aren't exactly presenting any novel ideas.
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Post Post #1622 (isolation #94) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:39 am

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She lied. If she had recruited Kagami it would have worked.
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Post Post #1636 (isolation #95) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:12 am

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AP, if you think the results don't matter, why even consult the mod?
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Post Post #1678 (isolation #96) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:52 am

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:/ If mastin is town, I don't understand how Kagami wouldn't be recruited.

P-Edit: So Kagami was jailkept and didn't recruit?
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #97) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:52 am

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But no jailkeeping was below recruiting. That still doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:51 am

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How would you not know if your recruit succeeded or not?

I'm down for implosion today.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:54 am

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Oh, I guess I thought that when people got recruited the mod said something in the PT. I guess there's hope for mine as well, then.
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #100) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:47 am

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Ok, I'm a little caught off guard, but I guess I was completely wrong about my town read on BPC.
VOTE: BPC

Full claim: I'm Xenu, and I'm immune to targeting from people that aren't in my church (Scientology). I have a mandatory night recruit and last night I recruited Axxle.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #101) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:49 am

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I definitely do not believe your claim. You claim to have
4
different abilities, one of which is is an immediate guilty should (any) of your PT partners be scum.
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #102) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:56 am

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The auto-guilty is the one that apparently lets you see NK's by PT-mates.

P-edit: I'm really confused.

@AP: I said what I said because me saying, "I didn't kill anyone" isn't going to keep me from being mislynched.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #103) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:04 am

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I can't imagine the mod would put a person who can passively catch scum like that in the same PT as scum, and then make that same person cause both players to be unrecruitable.

And if you can catch scum in your PT, why would you want me to recruit AP when you townread him N1?

BPC is playing mad mind games in the PT and this whole thing is confusing the hell out of me.
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #104) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:24 am

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OK I'm so confused that at this point it seems the best thing to do is hope you guys get BPC tomorrow.
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #105) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:27 am

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Seriously though, BPC supposedly seeing all the people in his religion's actions AND causing them to be unrecruitable would be broken if he started in the same religion as scum.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #106) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:54 pm

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UNVOTE:

I'm good with this. BPC needs to die for lying.
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #107) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:47 pm

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I'll keep checking periodically for an hour or two so I can hammer.
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #108) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:11 pm

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VOTE: BPC
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #109) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:12 pm

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BPC idk what kind of game you are trying to pull, but at least you won't get away with lying.
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #110) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:24 pm

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Oh shit I just reread my role pm
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #111) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:25 pm

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Turns out I'm actually scum :(
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #112) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:39 pm

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In post 1747, Jargonaut wrote:Seriously though, BPC supposedly seeing all the people in his religion's actions AND causing them to be unrecruitable would be broken if he started in the same religion as scum.
Like for real doe.

Also, I really messed up day 1, but was my early-mid day 2 play alright?
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #113) » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:42 pm

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Blah I'll ask later since the thread is about to be locked.
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