Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

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Sorry I haven't posted I've been having account issues which are hopefuly fixed now. Reading through.

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Vote: Saki.

That naked vote on sharpest knife is the scummiest thing in the game so far. Naked votes come more often from scum in my experience and Saki picked a bad target.

I also have suspicion of Xayzeck and Jordan. Xay I just can't really see where he's coming from in his posts. Jordan is gut but somehow his posts just don't read genuine. No one looks particularly towny but I guess Sharpest knife and Necro seem towny due to interactions with other players.

Also kind of worried PV's questioning is kind of rolefishy.

Those are my observations after a half-assed quick readthrough.

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Well there hasn't been anything of great importance that's happened so far that I can tell.

Thinking about it more PV's polarity discussion is probably town. Since no one else had mentioned it he has no reason to risk drawing attention to himself by speculating about it.

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Ok, but then how are naked votes scummy? I mean if you think nothing important has happened, what do you think the scum motivation is for naked voting?

All I know is that in my experience naked votes are are very likely to come from scum. I'm also much more tempted to make them when I'm scum myself. What kind of psychological or strategic explanation there could be for it I don't know.

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needs rope
what exactly didn't imply that i was voting sharpest knife off his last post, my vote immediately following his?
why exactly is sharpest knife a 'bad target' for a naked vote?
"naked votes come from scum more than town" psh

VOTE: dry-fit

Knife was a bad target because his posts up to that point weren't scummy or noteworthy. Putting an enexplained vote on him wasn't going to do anything to advance discussion.

Not liking Aegor's push on me. He ust says my posts are bad but doesn't give any reason to think they're scum motivated.

Not a fan of the Necro wagon. Still reading. Man this game is moving fast.

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SKOT's case about anti being dangerous as scum is all kinds of bad but he's probably town. Talah's case on mastin for not providing reasons for reads is also incorrect. Mastin lynched me in a fire and ice large game without giving any reasoning, the bastard. He was town.

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TiphaineDeath is pretty clearly town here. His play isn't opportunistic at all and he's providing a voice of reason(or at least attempting to) and his reads and stances look very genuine.

I believe mastin' read on talah.


But we can only lynch 1 scum per day so take it one step at a time

So you have an even stronger scumread than mastin's 97%?

I really want Necro to die. If they are scum, I would consider that the cherry on top. No one else has done anything interesting. Xay may be scum. Dry-fit is also definitely scum, but the Necro hydra must return to the dead.

I don't find this believable. Here is the case Aegor's brought against me:

This is just awful in every way. Inaccurate appeal to general meta to justify a baseless vote. Suspecting players seemingly at random, when said players are the only coherent ones in the whole game. Lack of commitment in general. Badbadbad.

VOTE: Dry-fit

This is hardly a case that should gie anyone the kind of confidence in a read Aegor apparently has.

Unvote. Vote: Aegor.

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So you have an even stronger scumread than mastin's 97%?

What was the relevance of this question?

To see why that post didn't contain a vote change on talah/how strong MS's read on talah is. Mastin's reasoning seems like it would be pretty strong to someone who agreed with it. So strong it would be unlikely anyone would have a stronger read. I realize MS is part of a hydra here but I want to go into it a bit more becuase it stuck out.

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I look for posts that I believe come from scum, regardless of whether I think there is intent. Many of the damning posts could easily have been made without conscious intent (without which intent is not really possible, at least given the definition in use here).

So what's the reason you think my posts come from scum?

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fuck you tso

scum for the third time i'm played with you

Damn. That omgus kind of looked town at first but nope, xay is likely scum.

I'm liking our position at the moment. Good wagons going. talah may actually be town though.

[quote="Spring Starflower[/b]Have you considered the fact that since my read came directly from mastin, it would naturally have decayed the absolute number of 97%?

Yes, but I wanted to phrase the way I asked the question in a way that might get more info out of you. You seem reluctant to explain your position on talah.

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quote tags fail.....

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Necro readslist is good.

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

@Rach: What do you thing a TMCT vote does at this point in the day?

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Necro readslist is good.

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

I think you're a pretty good compromise lynch too tbh

You would.

Dry fit, the deadline is the 15th, why-the-frack you talkin bout compromise lynches?

People were talking about how deadline was coming soon and I got into a panic! Also Rach's vote at the moment just seems weird so I wanted to ask about that.

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Does anyone else think Nacho is kind of fishy?? I remember playing a game with him like ages ago, and back then he was like running the show. Like, I know he's V/LA, but even before that he didn't seem to be as engaged as before. Marquis dictates the votes, though.

I don't meta Nacho. Every time I've played with Nacho he looks like a different player. He's always been town too. Gonna have to wait and see with him.

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4 days to go-need consolidation and off on xay now...

vote Aegor

So what's your problem with the Xay wagon?

After Talah's last post I wouldn't mind lynching them.

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4 days to go-need consolidation and off on xay now...

vote Aegor

So what's your problem with the Xay wagon?

After Talah's last post I wouldn't mind lynching them.

1/ What's your case *for* the Xay wagon?

I don't have one. I wanted to know why SKOT is voting Aegor over Xay when he expressed suspicion of Xay the last time he'd mentioned him and hadn't really said anything about Aegor.

2/ Good for you, champ, why don't you flop down a vote? What exactly was your problem with my last post and what were you previously thinking about me anyway?

My problem with your Pere vote is that it's unexplained, on a not very good target, and does nothing in this gamestate. What I was thinking about you before was that your posting in general was scummy but that your softclaim didn't look scum motivated or a likely scum move at all. In addition I thought you didn't respond well to mastin's meta case on you but I just kind of skimmed that. I prefer my vote on Aegor.

Dry-fit is a better wagon than Xay

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

This is such crap given that he has done exactly nothing all game.

I don't know what your point is here.

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@Shiny Hydreigon: I don't think a Jordan lynch is bad. It's certainly better than a Xay wagon in my opinion. I don't feel like you've provided a particularly strong case against him though. I mean how does not knowing what's going on mean scum?

I'm worried the only wagon with an actual chance of going through today is Xay though.

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Dry fit then why are you not voting for Jordan?

Because I'd really like to lynch Aegor today. Doesn't look like it's in the cards though.

Why are you talking about things that have no relevance to the gamestate? No one is talking about lynching Thor today. Pere isn't realistic.

Jordan wagon is better thatn Xay wagon so

Unvote. Vote: Jordan Downey.

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Unvote. Vote: Aegor.

Marquis you should know better. You've played with me on other games. My frustration in that fire and ice game was because of a bs case on me and people just sheeping it uncritically. That hasn't happened here so I've had no reason to be so frustrated. I've generally thought the wagons today were pretty good.

lol at Rach.

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Rach have you even been reading my posts? On two occasions now you've failed to ask questions I've asked you.

@TSO: Yes.

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@Rach here are my questions to you:

@Rach: What do you thing a TMCT vote does at this point in the day?

Why are you talking about things that have no relevance to the gamestate? No one is talking about lynching Thor today. Pere isn't realistic.

Does anyone know if Rach is just scum here or is this typical play from her? Because I'm thinking she's scum.

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I was actually about to switch to Dryfit because the wagon was bigger.

Now I'm good with the Aegor lynch.

People should wagon one or the other.

Can you give me the TDLR reasons on why each is scum?

Aegor said I was scum for "bad posts" even though he acknowledges those posts don't have any scum intent behind them. Has pretty well tunneled that vote and sees to think it's a slam dunk for unknown reasons. Aegor also has been playing in self-preservation mode switching to whatever is the leading wagon at the time.

There doesn't seem to be a case on me. Or if there is I haven't been following close enough to notice. Marquis brought up some meta stuff but it's bs.

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And my response if you're interested:

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The game he's talking about is this one:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=34404

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Oops wrong link this is marquis' post
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5949899

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Okay, I'll stop being coy. The line after my name of my role the last word is pluriazed, which makes it very, very likely multiball.

"Pluriazed" is not a word? If you mean "pluralized" I don't know why that would mean multiball either. In any case I don't think it's protown to discuss it now.

Look into Aegor and Saki if I get lynched. I need to stop playing large games I'm useless in them.

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I'm almost positive Thor is town because if he wasn't I'm pretty sure his plan of just ending the day and getting a lynch in would have happened by now.

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Okay, I'll stop being coy. The line after my name of my role the last word is pluriazed, which makes it very, very likely multiball.

Looks like boiler-plate text to me.

Dry-fit, do you disagree?

I don't know what boilerplate text is to be honest.

Can we stop pretending anyone other than me is getting lynched today and get on with it?

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I am fine with the Dry-fit wagon if his solution is to basically complain that he's being wagoned - looks like there's a reason you're lynchbait.

There is no solution. The only possible alternative is Aegor but people don't want to vote him for some reason.

My solution is to tell you who to lynch next. Lynch Aegor and then Rach/Saki.

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Rach I've given reasons for all of those reads already.

Town
TiphaineDeath
Zdenek
TSO
The Necromancers
malakittens
Jordan_Downey

Shiny Hydreigon
Doublade
ZZZX
Titus
PeregrineV (placed here on principle)
MafiaSSK
Xayzeck
Nachomamma8

Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Spring Starflower
Jon_h61
Saki
RachMarie
Aegor
Scum

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Hi I'm not claiming.

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There shouldn't be any need to but I guess I will in case I just flip VT.

I'm a dark locked vanilla townie, which means I'm automatically dark polarity and can't be shifted.

That's why I didn't fight my lynch that hard I'm basically worse than a VT.

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-Could have been a PR.

TSO pretty much claimed locked VT.

Vote: Saki.

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Someone vig Saki and TIP, tia.

Why not just lynch Saki instead?

VOTE: Dry-fit

since this wagon didn't actually end with a lynch yesterday

Hi Saki are you interested in doing any actual scumhunting?

When it comes to scum nightkills, the simplest answer is very often not even close to remotely correct. The guideline for scum nightkills is simpler answers, not the simplest answers. There are multiple variables involved in scum NK decisions.

I think whoeer wanted to kill TSO didn't realize he basically claied locked vt. And you're apparently in that group. I'd wager Saki is in that group as well.

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I feel like mala's semi-claim was pretty town. Not a fan of that wagon.

Thor I really don't see wagoning me is going to accomplish anything.

This quote does seem kind of weird though. I mean, in what situation would you think a wagon on yourself

would

accomplish anything?

What happened to the jon wagon? It was pretty decent.

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hmmm, tip might be town afterall

TD has been town all game. What have you been reading?

I admit I have a difficult time seeing ZZX's readslist stuff coming from town.

Every ime I read one of jon's posts it makes me angry and makes me want to lynch him.

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1. Shiny Hydreigon
3. Saki

Are these slots town? 'cause if they aren't then I'm going to policy night action them but if they are town then I'll leave em alone.

Shiny town.
Saki scum.
Shoot to kill.

Exactly right.

Unvote. Vote: Spring Starflower.

Better wagon. Let's see how it goes.

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Man Xay really looks like scum right now. Titus made a good point abou him being called scummy by a lot of people and not getting votes. And his vote for me was weird and bad. I'm pretty sure he's not scum with Doublade too.

I thought mala was town but now she just keeps doing scummy stuff. Stop it!

Doublade you need to get over this meta case on me. Is it only based on like one game? Have you even read one of my scum games?

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this is me declaring that I may or may not hammer the first wagon to get to l-1

This is just awful and another reason why you're scum. If your town you should want to have some effect on the direction the lynch goes in. If you don't, you just increase the ability of scum to dictate the formation of lynches, since they will make up a greater percentage of the players making a difference. Plus you're avoiding any responsibility for anything here. Unortunately you're not getting lynched today but if you're town you need to make a meaning vote today. Mastin you need to reevaluate this read.

Dry, what has mala done that is scummy?

She ignored my question to her about Saki in post 1934. She did the weird thing where she asked what purpose a wagon on her would have. Somehow though Tiphaine might be scum but then makes a useless post saying he "might actually be town." And now places a terrible vote on Eddie.

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We're within 20 hours till deadline so anyone not voting spring starflower needs to do so now. If a vig can take out Saki tonight that would be great.

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I'm ready to admit I'm probably wrong about ZZX. I had an early townread on him and let that cloud my judgement about him despite the scummy things he did yesterday.
VOTE: ZZZX

I'm amazed Saki hasn't been a major wagon in this game.

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P-edit: What Scummy thing I did?

The way you responded to the whole reads list thing was suspicious. You were overdefensive at at some point you needed to focus on trying to give reads and find scum instead of defending yourself. Also I think town would be more understanding that what you did was strange and would gain suspicion. Instead you acted like your wagon was completely ridiculous.

I love how you give useless unconvincing reason just to jump on my wagon. Basically what a scum team would coordinate to do to cause a mislynch. Best of all that there is no case

that has been proved

what so ever yet.

I was more giving an explanation for my vote in that case than presenting a case to convince others there, true. It was more to give people an idea of where I'm coming from. How often in mafia are things "proven" before scum gets lynched?

@ Dry Fit You've expressed a desire for my head a few times, posts 1986, and 2232, but that was all.

What

makes you feel that way? Our Town's starting to get a little thin, so we need to be a little more careful with votes now, than we were earlier in the game.

Admittedly a lot was from talah. Mastin's case on them was compelling and required a response, but the responses talah gave were not in any way convincing. More disconcerting really. Some of your stuff from day 2 bothered me as well but I can't remember what specifically at the moment. Your stuff today looks more town though. Why are you asking me this considering that I'm not pushing you at the moment?

Really, no one is even considering Doublade as scum. When's the last time they've even TRIED to post content? I want Doublade dead today.

So what's different between Doublade and Saki?

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ZZZX's list of problems with wagons just looks like stuff to make him feel better about his play. The Thor stuff is a non-issue although my townread on him isn't particularly strong a the moment.

Of course a Saki wagon starts up just after ZZZX makes his terrible defense. I'm torn.

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@ Xayzeck What's wrong with a Saki wagon? Has he done anything you think is particularly Town? If his wagon grows enough that it looks like it'll go through, I'd be willing to help push it through. IF none of my scum reads look to be strung up.

I'm wondering about this a little. Earlier you asked me why I suspected you because you were concerned that keeping every townie alive is important at this stage in the game. But now you say you don't mind Saki being lynched even if he is town?

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I'm wondering about this a little. Earlier you asked me why I suspected you because you were concerned that keeping every townie alive is important at this stage in the game. But now you say you don't mind Saki being lynched even if he is town?

I won't go as far as calling this a misrep, but I've never said I don't mind Saki's lynch, even if he's Town. I have said (for me) his alignment is a coin toss, and I don't like the issue of him being near LYLO. I sure wouldn't call him a Town read. I'm not sure what asking you for clarification and Saki's alignment have in common?

WHat I'm looking at is that your attitude that we have to be super concerned about keeping every townie alive seemed to go away when you were talking about Saki. I'm now sure I can phrase it better.

Thor is town. The Thor vs nerco is dumb and should stop. Lynch scum-Titus pls

You're a little late to the party.

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Unvote. Vote: Saki.

This is happening.

Also Perpetual Nonsense is pretty clearly the "under the radar" scum in this game.

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With the activity level over the past few days we need to consolidate on a lynch quickly. Saki has been anti-town the whole game. Not giving reasons for his votes and not doing anything to influence the lynch.

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Did you miss the part where he has been V/LA the whole game or are you being as intentionally moronic as scum-tus over there?

He's placed useless votes on players the whole game. Even if you're not very active you can mke it so your vote makes a difference instead of wasting it on a vote on someone like me.

Titus is getting lynched for some reason and it's not a very good lynch. Jon you should get over your bullshit wagon analysis and vote Saki. You have no apparent belief Titus is scum.

Better than "jon likes all popular wagons" or whatever it was Dry was trying to push.

That was ZZZX.

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God.

Unvote. Vote: ZZZX.

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So I've pretty much been eating crow this whole game. I need to reread some and will probable get to that tomorrown. But my initial suspicions are on Rach and Perpetual nonsense. But neither of them were on the ZZZX wagon so I don't know.

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Suspicion of Thor is going up he is still with us and yeah that is weird.

Well something to keep in mind is he hasn't been on to the scum we know so far. And mala was a clamed pr so. I have my suspicions about him though.

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I haven't had a chance to reread unfortunately. I want to know what people think of perpetual nonsense. Nacho wasn't much of a factor when he was in the game, and they haven't been either. Yet somehow two players placed them as town in their reads lists on this page. I don't like much of the content they have produced either.

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The way this day has played out makes Jordan's theory seem somewhat plausible. Not that I see any reason from Thor in partucular to make me think he's an sk. Presumable that has something to do with roles. Also who has Eddie been pushing today? From what I can tell it's no one. I don't see any reason to think Eddie is town. Zdenek seemed kind of town but I don't put much stock in that for the moment.

Since Rach keeps going on about suspecting Thor for being alive it makes me think she is likely town. Bringing something like that up repeatedly is a good way to end up with a rope around your neck. I think she keeps talking about it because it's a genuine feeling she has.

Saki may actually be town frustrating as that is.

Vote: Jon_h61.

Let's see what comes of this.

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@ Dry Fit Since Jordan's logic is "somewhat plausible", you give the impression you don't agree with all of it. My first question to you is, what's your read on Tipthaine? What are you going to do after you've been proven wrong? What's this push on Eddie you've put in the middle of your case on me, have to do with me?

Tiphaine has read town for me for pretty much the whole game. However with recent evensts I need to reconsider my scumreads. Saki and Rach look town all of a sudden and mala flipped town. I'm starting to feel Perpetual Nonsense may be town as well. So by process of eliminationish reasoning I need to consider that people I haven't been focusing on or previously townread may be scum.

If you flip town I'll have to reevaluate things as I've had to this entire game.

The Eddie thing didn't have anything to do with you. It was just part of my general reaction to Jordan's theory. I notice Jordan hasn't answered my questions about Eddie.

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RachMarie. Dry-Fit.In light of a recent game, (I believe) anyone who scumreads me with only meta to justify the read is scum.

I haen't suspected you because of meta. I don't know what you're meta is.

Rach and Dry-fit can wait

lol

Peregrine what kind of traction do you think you're going to get voting Eddie without a case? Because at the moment I'm worried you're just posturing.