Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[RachMarie]

Yikes where was the day one start PM?

Sorry all will catch up

[RachMarie]

umm Talah they may mean Bert peeps Talah and Bert are two different people I have played with both. Talah was also in a Newbie game I modded.

[RachMarie]

I figured that out after I reread the rules sorry about that been V/LA

Work stuffs

[RachMarie]

How come Anti and Mastin are on their mains instead of their hydra it is kinda confusing

[RachMarie]

oh Flay is out of town I believe

[RachMarie]

Even when you do that sometimes it does not go through.

I had to have them fix up a hydra for NS and I (Twin Flames)

Also I would not put too much stock in the whole polarity in the VC, he may just copy and modify votes a lot of mods do that.

[RachMarie]

I don't know either way, I am just saying don't put too much weight in that this early in the game because you might miss something along the way that actually helps us catch scum.

[RachMarie]

meh this feels like town mastin actually, she tends to be more of a take charge kinda gal when she is town.


Talah where is your hyper puppy like posting? I am beginning to worry about you.

I wish Nacho would hurry up and POST though I need to peg him.

For now I think I will stick Shiny in the town pile, a lot of postings by L (Mara) who hates being scum. Though with Wis in the mix will definitely keep it leaning town for now till I see more.

[RachMarie]

Some of you need to settle down a tad


BTW Sharp we know you are Peacebringer you do not have to keep bringing it up. I have noticed you use your old account meta to justify how you play on THIS one. If you were going to do that why did you change your name?

[RachMarie]

I am not seeing the necro case peeps, yes it is annoying that they still cant post on their hydra account and are having to post on their mains which of course causes a lot more confusion and mismatch since they have very different styles of play. But Mastin's posts definitely feel like town Mastin to me. Anti is more slippery to read, true, but he is in the same slot as Mastin so if Mastin is town so is he.

[RachMarie]

Talah why do you have the scum reads you do?

[RachMarie]

Umm yeah I was not dissing her ability to play scum just said she does not like to BE scum.

YAY finally the hydra account, now can you sign your posts

Though should be able to tell based on your rather different posting styles.

I am really not seeing the case on Nerco peeps.

[RachMarie]

oh that sucks

[RachMarie]

Well this should get interesting now

Welcome Thor (and your beard)

Why do you think Xay is scum?

[RachMarie]

Hey Necro that was directed to Thor and I have my reasons, I know what an asset he is when he is town and how deadly he is when he is scum, so getting him pegged is important to me.

[RachMarie]

I think the froofroo tween Necro and Talah is T v T and they are both in my town pile

Nacho has not posted enough for me to peg him yet

You are probably town

[RachMarie]

TMCT bothers me and I have him as leaning scum.

Still looking at ISOs to sort out others.

[RachMarie]

SKOT also is probably town

Waiting on Pere's replacement because he was setting off my scumdar and I want more clarification on that slot

[RachMarie]

Laying down a vote on my weaker scum read while waiting for Pere replacement to see if that read holds up with the replacement.

VOTE: TMCT


PEDIT

Thor why would I vote for one of my town reads just cause its the bigger wagon?

[RachMarie]

We have 5 days and the likelihood of an extension depending on how fast the mod gets a replacement for Pere.

[RachMarie]

Thor, Nacho is V/LA atm so hes not lurking and yes I want to see more from him when he gets back.

So I should not vote one of my scumspects just because they only have a vote on them which is probably a bus vote at that?

wait Necro is looking at someone other than Talah? About time you two.

BTW I will take a look at Aegor's ISO

[RachMarie]

Well since you are staying

Moving my vote to my top scumspect

VOTE: Pere

[RachMarie]

Thor I do not have a scum read on xay.

I do on Pere and TMCT

Though the one on Pere is stronger.

[RachMarie]

Nacho why do you think TSO is scum?

[RachMarie]

I guess I was not clear enough Thor

I have Xay in my town pile. I will not vote for him unless there is no choice because of deadline.

I have a strong scum read on Pere. Part of it is based on experience with him in several games, part of it is associative tells and wagons.

[RachMarie]

uggh strike that part of associative tells wrong game

Sorry I need more coffee

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Jordan

[RachMarie]

Could everyone calm down and cool the personal attacks please? Thanks it makes it hard to follow.

This early in the game it is hard to determine if Thor is scum or town, and in my experience it is best to count him as town til later in the game when it easier to sort him out. Mara on the other hand, tends to hate drawing scum and is usually more apathetic when she draws is so I am town reading her.

Pere on the other hand is more apathetic as scum and more involved as town. I am not talking lurking here but the effort of the posts.

Look at behavior and motivation not just the amount of posts.

[RachMarie]

Dry fit then why are you not voting for Jordan?

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Dry fit

[RachMarie]

Thor, mara others join this wagon

[RachMarie]

with the catchup, Pere is starting to look more like his towny self.

Dry fits' responses to the claim by Jordan, however reeks of scumminess.

[RachMarie]

Which questions were those, Dry fit, it can be easy to lose track of some of the posts in a game this size.

[RachMarie]

Dryfit

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I was going with what I felt was the best plan at the time since I thought my primary was likely to be replaced (then he changed his mind) And I then followed that with a vote on him. At that time, it was too soon for a compromise lynch and I wanted to focus on my scum reads.


1312

Was relevant to the game I was giving reads. And explaining my reads.


Necro
Are you suggesting we lynch an unCCed PR claim on Day ONE? If it is fake and they are scum we will figure it out as the game goes on, but no way would I support lynching them at this time.

[RachMarie]

(hands everyone a shovel) It is getting deep in here

Figures due to my hitting submit like 3 or 4 times after I posted I realized that Necro switched wagons.


Why the sad face at me, Thor?


PEDIT uggh not again 4 posts this time

[RachMarie]

That was a joke about all the pooh poohing going on

[RachMarie]

Titus my switch over I explained, plus I have a town read on Xay based on meta. And I have not yet had a chance to read through Aegor and double check a couple of other games on him.

Is it possible that scum switched, of course it is.

With all the sudden replacements things have gotten murky, however Thor is right about the day needing to end and a lynch resulting. I just would prefer it to be on scum.

[RachMarie]

It is D1 of course we need a lynch today and time is shorter than you think.

[RachMarie]

Quit with the AtE Dry Fit, if you are actually town, you should be coming up with reads and not just oh they are voting for me they must be scum

Pere it is a large game which means it is very likely to be multiball. If not there is a large group of scum for balance. There also might be a SK, but we will know more later in the game.

[RachMarie]

Thor is right we need to consolidate votes if you can't bring yourself to vote for Dry Fit at least vote for Aegor. this is ridiculous with the deadline looming.

[RachMarie]

No, not ignoring, getting frustrated with our net issues We have had to restart the router like 8 times today, going to have NS talk to the cable co during the day hours after he wakes up.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Dry fit

mastin why go after a lurker when we have a clear wagon here. After all, we started one on this dude and then wham bam the one on Aegor went through the roof.

[RachMarie]

Nacho I realize it is a bit of pot and kettle here with the net issues NS and I are having (cable guy will be here Tues to fix the router). but really could we get more from you than just prod dodge?

[RachMarie]

mara how about dry fit? The aegor wagon really took off in response to that wagon


no polarity change for me BTW

[RachMarie]

Besides the wagon on aegor in counter to his, and his response to the wagon on him? I would have to go back to find it I have been out of the loop a bit since we had cable issues, now fixed

[RachMarie]

mara could you go in detail why you have a town read on dry fit?

Because you are one of my stronger town reads.

[RachMarie]

do not like this read list Sam I Am

VOTE: zzk

[RachMarie]

It is the lack of town reads and the sheer number of scum or leaning scum reads that bothers me

[RachMarie]

so vote for ZZZK

that read list is awful Even though I am not that great at mafia I have more town reads that THAT. Plus lots of wiggle room with the number of scum/leaning scum

Plus spring is going to get replaced so the successor may clarify that slot more for you

[RachMarie]

Thor is there anyone you would NOT support lynching?

[RachMarie]

And it is 5 votes to lynch you not 3 or 2.

Instead of whining about your wagon and how you are so close to being lynched, you could like finish your reads yeah, that would be great...

[RachMarie]

If ZZZK is town then who is scum?

[RachMarie]

So what read do you have on Thor and on me then?

[RachMarie]

I am still figuring Thor out, it always takes me a while and looking forward to PN clarifying the slot since Nacho had to bow out and there was jack nothing on his slot when he had it which concerns me since usually I can peg Nacho.

I am not as convinced as you are that Jon is scum though. I have gotten him mislynched in the past because of his lurky loo behavior.



PEDIT that was to Necro and his blanket everyone is poison on the ZZZK wagon.

[RachMarie]

LOL yeah I get heebie jeebies when I see a person pushing so hard that so and so is TOWN all you of he (or she) is TOWN and you all should just shut up and LISTEN

[RachMarie]

all of you,

ooopppssss

[RachMarie]

fine I will unvote

UNVOTE:


Still not convinced on Jon being scum though....

[RachMarie]

what Nero???

[RachMarie]

Sorry all my fiance and I were at the docs in Oakdale most of the day.

Bad news I have Diabetes (type 2)

Good news we caught it early and doc says if I change my diet and exercise and lose about 20 lbs in the next 3 months, it may bring it down out of diabetic range, and I wont need to go on meds.

[RachMarie]

I got bad news on Tues I am now diabetic and been busy doing research and dealing with the changes I have to make to hopefully avoid being put on meds in 3 months.

Having trouble focusing due to the dizzyness and light headedness of greatly reducing carbs in my diet plus calories. I will catch up though ASAP

[RachMarie]

Still not completely up to par and if peeps want more details I posted them in my GTKAS thread and the link is in my sig.

I will be reading up and posting updated reads soon. I am sorry for being so absent, but health has to come first and in addition to physical symptoms I am going through a lot emotionally. Still can't focus enough to work

[RachMarie]

no change for me

[RachMarie]

Why do you think I have a scum role Jon? If it is based on activity then you are free to go stalk the other games on site. Do you think I have scum roles in ALL the games ?

Developing diabetes is not a scum tell, sorry try again.

[RachMarie]

I have not changed polarity since I chose pregame I figure there is some random element to that? I am really not sure how the polarity angle works

[RachMarie]

wait you can change your polarity?

I thought you chose at the beginning and that was it? I figured it was a random thingy that might change it.

[RachMarie]

I guess I skipped that part when I first read it lol I was focused on reading what role I had

[RachMarie]

Feel free to compare that to other D1s

BTW if you want to know why early on I was scum reading Pere, it was the way he was posting and the attitude he had felt very much like games he was scum in. Later his posting style did improve and appeared more like the towny Pere. So I felt like I could put him in the town pile . As for active lurking were you aware I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes on July 1? That is why I went V/LA. Even before I was diagnosed, I was having issues with fatigue, and trouble with focus and concentration. This worsened as I radically altered the diet and started pushing myself to exercise. Still not completely up to par. And feel free to meta stalk me on site including my GTKAS thread (link in sig) you will see it is across the board.


Seriously dude you have played with me before, why is your read so off base?

[RachMarie]

Are we really jumping on Thor for not including the entire quote?

I have done that before a lot, especially if it is a long ass quote and only one tiny part is what I want to address. And I was not scum for doing it. It was so people could clearly see what I was saying.

If you want me to convince me Thor is scum at least make a REAL case.

BTW I have not ruled out that he could be scum, it always takes a while with Thor he is just THAT good.

[RachMarie]

opps I did miss that

ok carry on

[RachMarie]

I just read Saki's ISO WHY are people town reading him?


VOTE: Saki

[RachMarie]

30 posts worth of Saki basically like his last one which was


hihi

[RachMarie]

lurking is one thing but he pops on just often enough to try to avoid being prodded and does NO content.

[RachMarie]

Well I do understand that due to issues I appear to be lurking, but at least I am posting some content. If you look at Saki's ISO, you will find he has no content at all. It looks like active lurking, and though he can be hard to read at times, he is usually not this lacking in the content department.

[RachMarie]

Pere you have the ribbon just adjust it in the user control and stop posting in the thread.

I can round up links to past Saki games where he was far more verbose and town

[RachMarie]

Could you share the link Titus?

[RachMarie]

Open 514
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=30057

Mini 1481 bonus of scum me
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30346

Newbie 1418
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30610

[RachMarie]

This is not the Saki I usually see its not just number of words it is the content level. If you look at those 3 games you will see that Saki is using quote posts, pushing on reads, and in general producing content

not just lalala hihi posts like here.

[RachMarie]

yep like that game too. Definitely different than here.

vote stands on Saki

[RachMarie]

Why arent you voting for Saki, Titus> I do not think your doublade vote is going anywhere right now

[RachMarie]

aw crap there goes any chance of lynching that slot who I still think is scum



Could you explain the case on Titus cause I really do not see it?

[RachMarie]

Here, but not feeling well, will post tomorrow.

[RachMarie]

I happen to be ill and dealing with Probate right now. more later

[RachMarie]

Still the same polarity

[RachMarie]

Jon have you read my GTKAS thread lately?

I would replace out but:

I want to keep some of my games and I picked this as one of them, partly because it is hard to get replacements for large games especially well into the game, and partly due to the player list and the flavor.

I felt that non newbie games were the best ones to stay with.

So yeah you could be well off on that read on me there dude. Yet I still think you are probably town.

Suspicion of Thor is going up he is still with us and yeah that is weird.

[RachMarie]

The fact that Titus so hard bussed marquis and other head in doublade seems odd too

[RachMarie]

up and down on how I feel, but having to do extra work projects to hopefully bring in money to pay bills because we will not be getting the inheritance as soon as we thought. Court put a bunch of stupid rules, extra mailing, and cut out the executor completely. I think my Aunt should sue the lawyer and the paralegal for stringing her along like they did.

[RachMarie]

Pere I did not say LYNCH Thor, eee just said suspicion is higher and WHY.

please do not misrep

I thought I had voted Saki uggh

ok just to make sure

VOTE: Saki

[RachMarie]

what move?

[RachMarie]

How does this

Suspicion of Thor is going up he is still with us and yeah that is weird.

Become I am trying to LYNCH you now, Thor?

[RachMarie]

err Pere and Thor lol

[RachMarie]

I posted links to town Saki games, Thor. His play here is clearly active lurking and not at all helping town, whilst in those games I linked, and the one that Titus linked, show a very different Saki the TOWN Saki. Where he actually tries to figure out who the scum are.

[RachMarie]

wait are you suggesting that both Doublade and I are bussing Saki, Jon?

[RachMarie]

Thor is Thor i think you will find that most players take a while to sort him out So yeah the fact he is still around is a minus but a lot of his posts are a plus, and again it is Thor.

[RachMarie]

I want to hear more from Saki

[RachMarie]

Jon well I have him as probably town though misguided

[RachMarie]

JD why do you think there is an SK?

[RachMarie]

gut, PoE, played with him before

[RachMarie]

BTW if you want to know why early on I was scum reading Pere, it was the way he was posting and the attitude he had felt very much like games he was scum in. Later his posting style did improve and appeared more like the towny Pere. So I felt like I could put him in the town pile .

What's your read on Peregrine? He was your biggest scum read for the longest time. In the one post that you described your scum read, you really didn't say anything. You just alluded to some previous game, and a feeling. What exactly changed your mind on him?

I backed off a bit because I realized I was doing confirmation bias. He was scum in the following game which just ended:


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49438

[RachMarie]

By re-examining the ISO here, I realized I was letting the fact I knew he was scum in the other game influence reading in this one.

Sorry about that Pere

[RachMarie]

You are scum reading me because I see you as scum in this game? That is your entire case. Saki?

omgus a lot there dude?

[RachMarie]

TD

Have you played a lot with Thor?

[RachMarie]

not just one game several games, Saki

[RachMarie]

VOTE: kigi

Getting used to a new keyboard not that fond of it bah

[RachMarie]

uggh

I wish that Thor had claimed and given us what he could

Does not surprise me though that KiGi turned out to be scum that hammer sucked

[RachMarie]

oh yeah still same polarity, and I did not request a change since I have been so V/LA about it. Not that I would anyways.

[RachMarie]

Umm DGB Thor was our tracker so yeah it is a big loss. I would have liked to have at least been able to get his results.

Yep its standard red and green with yellow and purple representing polarity.

[RachMarie]

how does a dark locked VT work anyways (working on catching back up on this game).

Yeah we have had town peeps who were locked DGB this game has definitely been full of surprises lol.

[RachMarie]

Still feel like Saki could be scum.

That read list sucks

DGB is probably town
Pere is probably town
Jon is probably town


Need to reread the rest.

VOTE: Saki

[RachMarie]

oops sorry everyone been a rough few days

I am VT

Could someone besides Saki who is being rather OMGUS explain the case on me?

[RachMarie]

Seriously Saki?

Just as I was rethinking my read on you bah

Been busy with work stuffs will post more tomorrow

[RachMarie]

I am VT

I have always been Light which is what I chose at the beginning.

I still am Light

[RachMarie]

JD I have not been lurking, I have been V/LA a lot and I have been having a lot of issues, hence the reason I replaced out of all my newbie games where I was IC.

I have not signed up for any new games either.

I will probably after the last games finish take a break til after we are moved and settled in TN.

[RachMarie]

Seriously the only case I have seen on me is that I have not been active even though I have stated why I have not been active.

DGB not EVERYONE can be scum so far you seem to be pushing for a wagon, any kind of wagon.

how is this in any way shape or form town?

VOTE: DGB

[RachMarie]

What kind of reading did you have on Necro, Saki? That is who DGB replaced in for.

It feels like she has pushed for people mainly just to get wagons going and does not feel like she has any real scum reads to me, hence my vote.

Had dental work today and will again on thurs but I definitely want to spend some time looking at things in more detail here because I really am kinda lost here, especially after Saki's claim. It felt towny the way he claimed more so than he felt before.

Plus I am not sure how Saki's claim affects I need to look at some of the back stuff. But I am having doubts now about him being scum.

[RachMarie]

SKOT I get that you think Saki is scum what do you think about DGB?

[RachMarie]

SKOT

So you think Saki is pulling a fake claim? How about switching over to DGB then and tomorrow we can look at Saki?

[RachMarie]

CLIFF NOTES

I have a town read on SKOT and JD

I think DGB is scum

Rethinking the read on Saki due to an un CCed PR claim.

[RachMarie]

Why would I hammer myself when I am town?

[RachMarie]

Kaiv you do not know me very well but just FYI, I really was having major issues and even with V/LA in my games, I have cut way back to one new game only because of us moving and dental and taking road trips to varying places in CA before we leave the state to move to TN later this month.

I am getting the last of my teeth pulled on tues and an upper denture and lower partial put in. My fiance, NS (Nobody Special) has already had his teeth removed and full dentures put in. It has been total chaos. I totally had planned on taking some serious time when you helped get me lynched.

BTW I was wrong I was sure it was DGB since she knew what was up and was pushing so hard on me as scum. I should have stuck to my guns on Saki as well I was confused but realize I was still partly right he was SK not Mafia.

Had I been not lynched I might have come around to JD though. I usually do best later in the game than at the beginning.