Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

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FUCK YOU ALL

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My catch-up will be stream of consciousness yay

#36 gives me my first scumread of the game in Xayzeck - I've seen him as both alignments and the OMGUS part doesn't fit with my memories of town-Xay.
#46 makes me wonder why mastin tells TMCT that he's voting him because he thinks he's scum, and then reminds TMCT he's not sold on town-him ...yes, mastin, we'd assume that.
#63 is more weirdness from Xayzeck - getting a feeling I'm onto something here.
#68 reminds me of an entrance I've used as scum trying to appear as emphatic town.
#74 is better, though, but they're a decent hydra, so I'm not sure if I want to clear them or ugh idek.
#86 makes me think mastin's a brazen motherfucker as either alignment, but to do that as scum? Not sure I see it.

Yeah, fuck it, mastin can be town, he's so damn likeable I feel it hard to call him scum, plus he's town.

#101 Xayzeck is officially scumfuck #1.
#112 SHEEP SCUMZECK SHEEP

Vote: Xayzeck

This needs to be done now, don't care what happens down the line.

#118 hey brah it's you who's scum
#147 YES NATI VOTE XAYZECK <333 but we may have to talk 'bout mastin
#169 Xayzeck suspicion is good, Dry-fit.
#170 Zdenek looking good here as well although I disagree with him, his manner is town
#179 is town as fuck plus Xayzeck vote - I declare Zdenek INNOCENT CHILD DAY 1.
#180 it's Saki, friend, what could you expect?
#184 no SSK, bad SSK.

more Xayzeck being scum, especially #199

#203 hang this fucker now
#206 YES ANTI
#212 what history?
#238 good point, Doublade!

That's up to page 10 - will further catch up later.

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Anyone not voting Xayzeck should be.

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Looking at the current votecount it's clear something happened to dispel the Xayzeck wagon/ignite a TN one. I'll find out later, I guess.

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Mastin, I heavily disagree with your Xayzeck read and I'll champion my case if you want to talk in an hour or so. I could talk quickly now, but I may have to go.

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Yay TSO!

Yay Tiphaine!

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I am so confused right now. I am talking about thenecro where?

I think.my PC bugged lol wtf

lol wtf I don't actually.

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I don't support the Necromancers wagon, and I'm not going to vote it. Everyone should ISO Xayzeck, read his early-game, smack your vote on him and pat yourself on the back.

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#36 gives me my first scumread of the game in Xayzeck - I've seen him as both alignments and the OMGUS part doesn't fit with my memories of town-Xay.

I....don't recall playing with you as scum?

IIRC it's always been metown youscum?

first game being my first game, second game being the recent one with oka and kyndy

and like, when you attacked me in the latter, I just attacked you back, instead of reaching out to kyndy who didn't really do anything and just fencesat. aka i push those who push me, so it should fit your memories of town me

unless you can remind me of a game where you played with as scum(unless you mean you READ a game of mescum then okay then but that's not as reliable of a meta read) then i'm questioning how much bullshit you have in your read of me

I researched your meta in the latter game, there's posts of mine in it showing that I did.

You don't seem to understand my accusation - the OMGUS portion of the post was tacked-on and unnatural.

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okay so I read up to page 20. Necro is town as fuck, Xayzeck is still a scumfuck, TD can be Town, so can Doublade. I don't want to give SKOT a read and I'm not able to give Fear one.

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MS can be town as well, I'd call ZZZX Town too but that post about his computer bugging screams "SHIT FUCK I'M SCUM NOT MAKING ANY SENSE OH BALLS THEY'RE ONTO TO ME I NEED AN EXCUSE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE HMM AHH SHIT AHH HMM COMPUTER BUG GOT IT GET IT DOWN IT'S TRUE I SWEAR BYE!"

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Mild scumread on Jordan, strong scumread on Xayzeck.

My reads are going surprisingly well.

Others need to post more (Rach, Nacho, SSK) so I can somewhat think about them.

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VOTE: Talah

there might have been a point where I was up for necro, but that is pretty much completely out the window now. Like, I've literally have never seen mastin have reads so similar to mine (nati and Talah aside), to which I think is a good thing

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If your read on talah is different to mastin, then why are you sheeping it?

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Very good, Marquis. Very good.

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Nacho, get in here.

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mmm, I have no idea how to take this. Either alignment could do it.

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Saki, why is your vote so useless in conjunction with your play?

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I'd nearly help you lynch them on policy, but there's a slim chance they're Town and Xayzeck is borderline-confirmed.

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Do I really have to do this?

Everything. Quite literally, everything. The catch-up has labeled posts I felt were bad - I actually began to skip posts which were scummy because I would be rehashing the same stuff. Quote me what you disagree with the catch-up, and I'll converse with you, but there's no point making a case when it's so damn obvious he's scum.

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This is more like it.

Time to get to work.

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But it could be my omgus speaking

Why was this included at all? He's trying really hard to appear Town by putting this in and there's no need for it.

"This is my opinion, but I AM affected by biases as a true Town man!"

I think townmastin would be more confident in her(his?) Reads even at this game stage

Mastin would be confident of their reads on page 2? More confident than labeling players prob-town on page 1 for one post? Yeah, bullshit.

Wishywashy because I have to im afraid

What is this? Is it fake fear, fake paranoia? It's not a joke; it's too edgy to be a joke. It's this weird halfway house where you can't really tell what's going on and it feels really forced.

But eh not too concerned about the votes

False bravado when there's no need for it stinks of scum trying to seem nonchalant.

i don't think mastin is town

and i think jordan is town

i'm quite liking the idea of mastin and tmct being scum together

Well, all the reads are wrong, but that's not necessarily scummy in itself. However, the justification for the last sentence is shockingly bad, as you'll see below.

i'll join the bigger wagon tyvm

VOTE: TMCT

At post #112, the only interaction Xayzeck had with TMCT was where TMCT voted him. That was it, finito. At least he -had- thoughts about mastin, you could see where he was coming from with his suspicion if he voted him - but this is out of the blue. The only reason he's doing it is because the wagon is larger than mastin's. It's scummy that he's deciding to vote someone he's less sure of because their wagon is larger.

i'm quite liking the idea of mastin and tmct being scum together

What do you see as connecting them?

tmct jumping on the wagon that necro started

and something else I can't quite remember. probably an interaction that they had but maybe it's just the wagon thing

This is such a horrible way to connect two players. Firstly, it's minimal as fuck - if anything, this is a disassociation, because scum don't just jump onto the wagons their partners form so blatantly. But secondly, it's very vague and gives him the benefit of the doubt whether an association actually ever existed or not if someone calls him out on it, while simultaneously giving the impression there was one.

(Incidentally, if Xayzeck flips scum, I'll be looking to Necro as a possible partner for the voting of TMCT over them despite excessive attention on mastin.)

are you really going to push the fact I called your slot mastin and how it doesn't add up?

because thinking about it now that's dumb

It's not dumb at all when you knew the hydra's name was Necro, called mastin scummy and then said "Well, actually, you're mastin as well, y'see!" even though he specifically called the hydra Necro 80 posts previous to this one. It's you trying to pretend you were always calling Antihero scum and doing a bad job of it.

why would I explain why I called your slot mastin

because I surely don't know myself

If I did explain it, that would be making up a reason to cover myself from pressure that isn't even alignment indicative

but that doesn't seem to be your problem, so:
I had initial problems with mastin
I had further problems with you
I continued to call your slot mastin because I was too lazy to find out hydra name

Any problems you have with that? Because since then I've been mostly referring to your slot as Necro instead of mastin/hero

This makes no fucking sense at all and doesn't explain or mitigate him calling Antihero mastin whatssever.

biggest problem I have with this push is that's it's stupid, and doesn't show how I could be scum or town

Well, you blatantly lying in your response and then posting some intelligible trash points pretty clearly to you being scum, actually.

i'm developing a read on your slot now

and right now it's not looking good

Why not just say you think he's scummy? Why is this so elaborately worded as to give the impression that if you agree with him, his opinion can change to better horizons? It's so weaselly and underhanded!

yeah I do want you to scumread them, but I'm not going to force it on you.

Translation: "I have my reads, but I feel no read to explain them or convince others of them, because I enjoy keeping my views to myself as Town ...wait, shit, that's not right!"

it was also an attempt to start interacting with you so I can read you, and what a lovely response.

This is overly nice and buddy-ish, when he realises Doublade isn't fobbed off as easily as others.

I don't think it's alignment indicative that Flay hasn't gotten their hydra up

As opposed to what? Flay delaying the hydra set-up due to it rolling scum here?

But lovely response, you're probably town

He felt the need to post twice how great your response was and label you prob-town on one post. Twice. Tell me this rings alarm bells.

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GAAARGH IT'S NOT SCUMMY IT'S NOT SCUMMY IT'S NOT I SWEAR FUCK YOU FUCK NOT SCUMMY" was a synopsis of your response, Xayzeck.

You didn't provide any explanations for ...well, anything, but no-one's buying your fake rage.

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you know what

fuck you TSO

VOTE: TSO

TSO isn't even worth a vote btw

awww you mad from Awakening when we buttfucked you into a noose?

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Mastin and Antihero, why do you refuse to take a stance on Xayzeck?

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I don't particularly know - mastin's read on Xayzeck has been fluctuating - but they haven't even mentioned him lately despite being the leading wagon in the game.

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If anyone doesn't have an opinion on Xayzeck/thinks he's Town, read his response. Take away all the fake rage and swear words, and you'll see he actually responded/refuted no points. It's all fluff and swearing.

False bravado when there's no need for it stinks of scum trying to seem nonchalant.

and notice how i still don't care about votes

but this shit case of yours though it's so bad I have to tell you it's bad so that I can get on with my life with a free concious

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I'd love to hear how you think he's Town, given Xayzeck has just explained his vote using this reasoning:

"I'M TOWN AS OBVIOUS FUCK. TSO DOESN'T GET THAT - BECAUSE HE'S SCUM."

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why don't you a) make a case on Aegor b) compare Xayzeck's scumminess with Aegor's or c) vote Xayzeck, preferably c.

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that's a shit vote, do your catch-up again.

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I actually read that as "Vote: Xay, TSO's town" and I was all happy for approximately 2 seconds.

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You're just LOLtunneling because you're scum and you can yell loud.

So far not one person has offered me -one- compelling reason why Xayzeck is Town. Not one. I've presented my case and it had two reactions. Firstly, people rubbished it lazily and told me to vote their wagons (this is a really shit idea, by the way, it's so lazy and useless I don't know why you'd bother doing it). Secondly, Xayzeck replied to it.

Let's ignore the ins-and-outs of the case for a second (which you'll want to address) and focus on the aftermath. His reply was basically, "This ISN'T scummy, you're wrong, fuck shit ass" and I had and have no interest in getting into a "yes you're scum/no I'm not" argument with him because I don't want to convince him - regardless of his alignment, I waste my time by doing that.

Have you ever played with Xayzeck before? Have you done meta research on him? I've played with town-Xayzeck a few times now and I can see a lot of differences. Firstly, town Xayzeck

looks

town. There hasn't been one game I've played where anyone has actually scumread him. His motivations are very clearly pro-town, he's scumhunting, and so forth. Here? Nobody can say they have a strong townread on Xayzeck. A lot of people just don't have a read on him. That's not one bit like the town Xayzeck I know. Secondly, the posting style. I don't know why he's going for the shitty minimalistic posting style - I've never seen him do it as Town. There's a lot of points in this game where you look at what he's posting and you can see he's trying so damn hard to look like he doesn't give a shit and is posting stream-of-consciousness. But he does. I know that he's doing it because I've done it myself as scum. It's not easy to do if you're inexperienced at playing scum.

do you like me?

wow i said hi to you
and you look for someone else?
that's horrendously rude

Whenever he's accused of doing anything, he has a few rote responses and none of them are any good.

My play isn't the problem; you are.
This is my town meta, not my scum meta.
I'm starting to develop a scumread on you.

A lot of his statements ring so hollow when you actually compare them to his play. For instance, he tells us in #480 self-meta isn't worth much; yet he's using it as a way of defending himself in #303, so he clearly feels it is. Another time, he told me he wanted to interact with me because he was conflicted about his read on me - but he had voted me a few posts back with the reasoning: "You know what? Fuck you, TSO, Vote: TSO". He kinda reminds me of Syryana in Open 526, (though I know that's ancient for you), because he's not actually refuting any points, it's just deflection, deflection, deflection. And Syryana was scum that game.

The -only- mitigating factor which is making me even comprehend that he could somehow be Town is that strong players who I'm townreading at present (mastin, Antihero) don't feel he's scum, and historically when I tunnel on someone and strong players think I'm wrong, I usually am, a la Red Wine. But I'm not taking that from you, Nacho, because while you're very strong, you're not a townread at present.

You're calling me scum, though, and you're the only one in the game doing it apart from Xayzeck, who is doing it solely because I'm attacking him. If you want to call me scum, you're going to have to back it up. When I came into this game, Necro was high on votes and Xayzeck wasn't. You'll need to provide motivation for me taking the harder option there, etc. etc. etc. Which you don't have. So what worries me about this push is it feels like if I back off Xayzeck, I'll stop being a scumread to you. That doesn't interest me. I don't know if you're scum or town yet, but whatever you are, voting me because of "loltunneling + yelling" isn't going to suffice. It's time to back up your stance with actions.

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hi Thor, Xayzeck is a good vote.

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talah wasn't included in a townbloc and has claimed an unnamed PR.

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the above is all good. idk about skot bussing, but I can't rule it out either.

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oh well, enough about how you can't read Thor, we won't mention it again. specifically, you won't mention it again. good? great!

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I really don't care, to be honest - as long as you vote Xay.

pedit: yeah it's bad isn't it?

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Doublade, you were right there.

and now, you're not.

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I'm really beginning to get irritated with this playerbase because to comment on a case or to do anything other than vaguely wander around in their own little minds wondering if they should vote to put someone to about L-fucking-9 appears to be anathema to them.

talah, I could not give a flying fuck if you don't understand the case. if you're town you should attempt to understand, then you -will- understand because it's not one bit complicated, and then you'll a) vote Xayzeck or b) explain why I'm wrong, though no-one's actually done this yet.

I'm not even going to start explaining the various problems I have with Rach's gameplay. Mastin, you're more fixated on getting a lynch of your choice today than I am. If you want my vote, then make a wallpost explaining why I'm wrong. You're bloody brilliant at those, it shouldn't be hard.

Thor can be town because no matter what his alignment is, he will still do more for town than what we're getting at present.

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Where is TMCT? Where's Fear? Where's Pere?

Pere seems to be a townread to a lot of people, which I don't get. Someone walk me through that.

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Let's ignore the ins-and-outs of the case for a second (which you'll want to address) and focus on the aftermath. His reply was basically, "This ISN'T scummy, you're wrong, fuck shit ass" and I had and have no interest in getting into a "yes you're scum/no I'm not" argument with him because I don't want to convince him - regardless of his alignment, I waste my time by doing that.

Have you ever played with Xayzeck before? Have you done meta research on him? I've played with town-Xayzeck a few times now and I can see a lot of differences. Firstly, town Xayzeck

looks

town. There hasn't been one game I've played where anyone has actually scumread him. His motivations are very clearly pro-town, he's scumhunting, and so forth. Here? Nobody can say they have a strong townread on Xayzeck. A lot of people just don't have a read on him. That's not one bit like the town Xayzeck I know. Secondly, the posting style. I don't know why he's going for the shitty minimalistic posting style - I've never seen him do it as Town. There's a lot of points in this game where you look at what he's posting and you can see he's trying so damn hard to look like he doesn't give a shit and is posting stream-of-consciousness. But he does. I know that he's doing it because I've done it myself as scum. It's not easy to do if you're inexperienced at playing scum.

do you like me?

wow i said hi to you
and you look for someone else?
that's horrendously rude

Whenever he's accused of doing anything, he has a few rote responses and none of them are any good.

My play isn't the problem; you are.
This is my town meta, not my scum meta.
I'm starting to develop a scumread on you.

A lot of his statements ring so hollow when you actually compare them to his play. For instance, he tells us in #480 self-meta isn't worth much; yet he's using it as a way of defending himself in #303, so he clearly feels it is. Another time, he told me he wanted to interact with me because he was conflicted about his read on me - but he had voted me a few posts back with the reasoning: "You know what? Fuck you, TSO, Vote: TSO". He kinda reminds me of Syryana in Open 526, (though I know that's ancient for you), because he's not actually refuting any points, it's just deflection, deflection, deflection. And Syryana was scum that game.

It's one wall. That's it. And half of the wall is links or quotes.

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I have sat here for 5 minutes straight typing and deleting responses because I just have no idea how we could see this so incredibly different. I knew that the aggressive way I made you do it would incline you towards disagreeing with me anyway, but this is over and above that.

Wow.

I can't really fault you, because you did respond unlike others, but I still heavily disagree with you. Answering questions does not a town player make, his openness is faked, etcetera. If you read "half of his ISO", which seems pointless, you'll see he's giving off the old "I don't give a fuck about votes" scum machismo while replying to people voting him with an incoherent "hahhAHHHAAhaHA".

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xayzeck looks more dumb than scum. i wont vote him.

You see, this is the vibe people seem to be getting off Xayzeck - he's an idiot newbie but he's not actually scum. Thing is, Xayzeck

isn't a Village Idiot.

He looks Town when he plays Town, he doesn't act like an idiot. Newbie 1454 was a game I played with him where he was Town and I was scum. Read it. They're two different players.

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"pegged scum"

you haven't given one -anything- to show I'm scum in the slightest.

I'll reply to you tonight.

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how is pegged anywhere different to caught? they have

quite literally

the same meaning in mafia etymology.

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I've disagreed with TSO but up until this point thought it came from town. This is a huge reach, as there is no way someone else's meta is going to apply to Xay. It's is scummy to me. It reads to me as the wagon might fall apart at any time, lets throw everything at it, which is a null tell until you start throwing completely irrelevant stuff into it.

...except I said it "reminds" me of Syryana, because Nacho specifically caught him that game.

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what a rotten vote.

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now, that's how you fucking do it.

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I want to policy lynch you or something, I don't even care anymore.

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"I have three different wagons I keep switching around to, segregating the playerlist, and I refuse to give my opinions on any wagons not of my own making, while constantly changing my hierarchy of scumreads, but never letting any of them out of it."

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For that, yes we can, because our thought processes are way too similar for you to be scum.

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Keep trying to discredit him, it might work eventually.

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Why are you doing that? Why are you moving your vote from useless to even more useless? What do you think it achieves? Do you think that any far corner of the universe, you will raise a wagon by bringing someone to L-11 with no fucking reasoning?

We have 4 days, Rach. It's not about pressure anymore. I'd love you to vote Xayzeck, yes, but you know what I'd love more? A lynch on day 1. And your vote hinders that.

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Why are you doing that? Why are you moving your vote from useless to even more useless? What do you think it achieves? Do you think that any far corner of the universe, you will raise a wagon by bringing someone to L-11 with no fucking reasoning?

We have 4 days, Rach. It's not about pressure anymore. I'd love you to vote Xayzeck, yes, but you know what I'd love more? A lynch on day 1. And your vote hinders that.

See, this post bothers me. So insanely many questions. Four days left and he's this anxious. Come on, man, if you want a wagon to succeed you shouldn't be badgering town into joining the wagon. Make a good enough case and people will be able to see it and be convinced to join you.

I made a case.

Regardless of how good or bad it is, a lot of people simply didn't read it. So I have to act like a schoolteacher and badger them into doing the most basic of tasks.

Pere wagon doesn't really appeal.

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Jesus, SSK, I could make a better case on Aegor than that. Heedless voting is anti-town, not scum, and that post doesn't look at all like coaching...

I'm gonna respond to Nacho because I forgot about him.

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Ah yes, the associative tells pre-flip, those are always deadly.

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Xayzeck, maybe the reason you feel so left out is that I have no interest in convincing you you're scum.

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Xayzeck, maybe the reason you feel so left out is that I have no interest in convincing you you're scum.

rather, you have no interest in sorting me out through actually talking to me

But I -have- sorted you out. That's the thing. I don't need to talk to you because my scumread doesn't come from specific motivation you have when posting which I need to figure out. You're just scummy, to be blunt.

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vote ssk...

I know that I get hated on for posting shit like this, but why? I know you changed the vote, but what troubled you about my posts?

Did I say anything about your posts, nope, not a thing. I cast a direction for a vote, picked a thread to pull on and here we are, reverberation.

But a vote means you think I'm scum and the only reason you could think that would be because of my posts unless reasons, so it's logical to assume that there was some post of mine that bothered you. But now I know that it was just a shitty vote. Unless you want to prove me different.

being an alien to these parts, the value and definition of what is stated and voted is varied. To one a vote is precious, to another a vote but a tool. All are suspect and some gain favor, others ill, the rub is which gains ring true and which are false. All in the sorting. All in time. One answer, then another, and soon we hold true or false. It is the use of the many tools that lead to the sorting, not just the one.

I'd be up for a policy lynch here also.

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How the fuck would repeatedly spouting mindless philosophy instead of answering questions be related to your time spent as Mafiascum?

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being an alien to these parts, the value and definition of what is stated and voted is varied. To one a vote is precious, to another a vote but a tool. All are suspect and some gain favor, others ill, the rub is which gains ring true and which are false. All in the sorting. All in time. One answer, then another, and soon we hold true or false. It is the use of the many tools that lead to the sorting, not just the one.

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uggh strike that part of associative tells wrong game

Sorry I need more coffee

This is the reason that the Pere wagon is trash.

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im voting townread based on apathy+compromiose+policylynch+deadline is 2 days away.

if shit goes downhill its all tso's fault anyway. lol.

I agree fully with this.

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I'm taking full responsibility if Xayzeck flips Town. I'm also taking full credit if he flips scum.

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as in hold my hand up, say I was wrong, and probably not push any other wagons/be more receptive to others.

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if we have a vig, you should really shoot certain players.

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after Fire & Ice, I know I can't read Dry-fit, though I'll still atttempt it.

choo choo Xayzeck wagon

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afait he's a scumfuck

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Xay, if you're town then join my counterwagon on JOrdan, it will grow and it will be a scum-lynch

You're not going to get a fucking counterwagon and all you'll do is prevent a lynch. Read the WWE large - you're literally doing exactly what Malcolm did d1.

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Well then you know exactly what you're doing, and you know that they didn't get a damn lynch d1!

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If we have a vig,

vig Fear.

That is the best possible vig.

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Actually, maybe SKOT.

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That's never going to take off; wait until we see if we have a Vig, then we can get rid of the lurkers.

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Moderator, these V/LA's are a joke. It's so unfair that we have to put up with this shit.

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Moderator,

these V/LA's are a joke. It's so unfair that we have to put up with this shit.

Man I need to stop posting tonight.

"MODERATOR,"

what?

Isna't it @Bulba or @Mod? Who the fuck says "Moderator, I have a serious concern, please address it"

me, basically.

lol at scumfuck Xayzeck trying to paint anything he can as scum.

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Eh, I'll share a bit of both with ya mate. You've definitely taken the wheel but I started this shit.

Fair enough, you're a townfuck anyway.

pedit: yeah, trying to get them replaced so we'll have a better town is mindless. keep trying, buddy, you're still getting the noose today.

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we have less than two days. Everyone, get your ass onto this wagon.

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TSO are you seriously not seeing your conversation with Xay as town? Like seriously.

Okay, let's go through the conversation you think looks Town:

TSO: Moderator, these V/LA's are bullshit.
Xayzeck: OMFG WHO GETS MAD ABOUT LURKERS, IT'S FORCED, HOW DON'T YOU GUYS GET TSO IS SCUM?
TSO: Keep slinging mud, Xayzeck.
Xayzeck: You're mindlessly mudslinging at lurkers for no reason! What did they do to deserve this? Forced!
TSO: Yeah, because getting lurkers replaced with active players has lots of scum motivation.
Xayzeck: You clearly didn't want them replaced, because you didn't explicitly say it! Ugh!

Let's look at what I

actually said

, and its implied progressions.

Moderator, these V/LA's are a joke. It's so unfair that we have to put up with this shit.

These V/LA's are a joke ---> These V/LA's make no sense ---> You should ignore the V/LA's ---> Bulba ignores V/LA's ---> prods lurkers ---> no response ---> replaces lurkers with active players.

That's the natural progression of my mindset, and it's obvious that's what I'm getting at. Instead, Xayzeck tries to call me scum for doing it. Town? For that? Fuck no.

Let's remember that the only reason Xayzeck is -actually- scumreading me is because I'm getting him lynched. That's it. His recent reads are a joke, and as usual, they contradict his mindset.

admittedly it feels really uncomfortable putting TSO that low

Yet he's voting me out of anyone else in that group, and in his next post about me calls me obvscum. He doesn't actually know what he's doing because he's trying to fake indecisiveness.

[T S O]

for once I actually think you look town for that

but I'm so far gone in, there's not really a way out.

[T S O]

idk scum don't usually get mad when people attack them because inside they -know- they're scum

[T S O]

...I would, yes, is this surprising?

[T S O]

TSO bias?

Mod, requesting deadline extension, because people have to read before they replace in and stuff, so it's only fair.

[T S O]

vote Xayzeck, the Jordan wagon has no chance of happening whatsoever.

[T S O]

plus it has Rach, and that usually means it's wrong.

[T S O]

Zdenek and ZZZX, get on the Xayzeck wagon.

[T S O]

Its just as likely yo go through as a xayneck wagon, like seriously

nah, it's not

[T S O]

I'm off to shoot myself, night guys!

[T S O]

I feel distinctly ignored.

Why feel offended when fucks who aren't reading sheep recent votes?

[T S O]

Meh.

Vote: Jordan_Downey

He's a scumread, so he could flip scum ...but I'd still prefer Xayzeck. Blegh.

[T S O]

He's at L-3.

[T S O]

* Xayzeck.

[T S O]

I specifically fucking checked it to be right, and I was still wrong.

Fuck me.

[T S O]

Welp once again apathy rules the day, yaaaaaaaay.....

TD, if I could give people a daykill, you'd get it (or maybe Marquis). I feel you.

[T S O]

like I just feel Shiny has been like for the past fucking week



and then you have like sheep #3000 or as some people call him, Sharpest-knife-on-tree (insert joke of choice; "you're not that fucking sharp")



then we've got Xayzeck



and finally we have Rach.

[T S O]

Marquis, go read the Ice & Fire we played where I tunneled Dry-fit for being worse than that and he was Town. He looks scum as fuck.

[T S O]

You should also note Jordan's a good fucking scumplayer - here's meta.

[T S O]

meh, you make me agree with everything you say, but we're kidding ourselves if we think anything but JD is going through.

I'll switch if you want, but eh.

[T S O]

SOMEONE PLEASE VIG XAYZECK OR SKOT. XAYZECK FOR BEING SCUM, SKOT FOR THAT AND BEING SKOT. THANK YOU, TSO

[T S O]

And you prove yourself not that sharp either.

[T S O]

I have no interest in doing analysis on your scumplay for you, Jordan, I've clearly said I want to lynch Xayzeck over you. If you can fool me, I think you're good at scum, and you did in that game.

Go ahead and claim if you're a PR so we can restart Xayzeck.

[T S O]

blah blah find the other scumteam blah blah.

Dry-fit over Xayzeck - fuck off. I'm refusing to vote there.

Unvote
Vote: Xayzeck

[T S O]

you're still scum and I'm going to continue strongmanning your lynch.

Who's gonna get lynched over you now? Jordan's clear, Dry-fit's being ran up ...say your prayers, buddy.

[T S O]

You can quit trying to save your ass now, because Jordan's never getting lynched unless it's fucking LyLo or something.

[T S O]

omg he said clear he said clear I've got you now!

Xayzeck: Why did you say he was clear?
TSO: Because he basically is.
Xayzeck: But why did you say he was CLEAR?

[T S O]

mmm.

Unvote
Vote: Aegor

[T S O]

Anyone up for a SKOT policy lynch which could also be scum?

[T S O]

I don't think anyone is actually townreading them.

[T S O]

Is Aegor really better than SKOT?

[T S O]

I think you're scum. Aegor probably is too, but I'd like you to be forced into a claim as well.

[T S O]

don't even start on my feelings

[T S O]

yeah but I've played with Aegor-town and he's actually good, not this fucking vote-anything-to-save-my-arse halfwit who's beyond VI.

[T S O]

Unvote
Vote: Sharpest-knife-on-tree

I'll maybe switch depending on whatever, but I don't think I'll ever support the Dry-fit wagon.

[T S O]

It's one of those rare games where instead of having your usual complement of good players and a few VI's, you have a cavalry of VI's and people who are actually alright are diamonds in the rough.

[T S O]

Starts derpwagon 1, runs PR up to claim

INITIATE DERPWAGON 2

[T S O]

I also want to point out Saki's active lurking so no-one will call him out, which is so fucking scummy.

[T S O]

I would guess 2-3 scum are doing the same.

[T S O]

Don't feel you have to justify that or anything.

[T S O]

Impressive. We agree on almost no reads.

[T S O]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

exactly.

[T S O]

Where is TMCT? Where's Fear? Where's Pere?

Pere seems to be a townread to a lot of people, which I don't get. Someone walk me through that.

Why are you doing that? Why are you moving your vote from useless to even more useless? What do you think it achieves? Do you think that any far corner of the universe, you will raise a wagon by bringing someone to L-11 with no fucking reasoning?

We have 4 days, Rach. It's not about pressure anymore. I'd love you to vote Xayzeck, yes, but you know what I'd love more? A lynch on day 1. And your vote hinders that.

See, this post bothers me. So insanely many questions. Four days left and he's this anxious. Come on, man, if you want a wagon to succeed you shouldn't be badgering town into joining the wagon. Make a good enough case and people will be able to see it and be convinced to join you.

I made a case.

Regardless of how good or bad it is, a lot of people simply didn't read it. So I have to act like a schoolteacher and badger them into doing the most basic of tasks.

Pere wagon doesn't really appeal.

@TSO- While I appreciate your non-participation in a crapwagon, 982 seems to say you don't have me as a townread, yet 1055 says my wagon doesn't appeal. Can you elaborate, since normally one does not lead to another?

Not townreading you, not scumreading you either. I don't vote nullreads, I don't townread nullreads.

[T S O]

Why the hell would Mala look at her role PM, know it's multiball and lock herself into a claim which has this knowledge by immediately telling Town ...?

[T S O]

An information-based claim, where she now has to elaborately form a claim which both has the required knowledge and isn't in the game.

[T S O]

I think we can both agree the possibilities you bring up, while possible, are quite unlikely.

[T S O]

Thor, I think you misunderstand. I want to hold ppl accountable for their votes rather than lols deadline.

Hold them accountable for lols deadline then - I always do. I'm accountable for all of my pushes today, even if my push logic is 'let's lynch somebody, yar!' because if the person flips town then I expect to be looked at, and if they flip scum...well, with the way I'm voting I expect to get town cred, but at least that can be looked at too. And if my vote reasoning can be assessed (and it can) anyone's vote reasoning can be.

@Pere - what didn't you like about Fear.

I agree with Titus as regards Pere's (and Necro's?) push on Mala for the 'factions role PM' thing.

I am fine with the Dry-fit wagon if his solution is to basically complain that he's being wagoned - looks like there's a reason you're lynchbait.
I am fine with the Jon wagon as long as it gets bigger quicker.
I am not fine with being so fine with so many wagons - usually I hand out town reads like candy to try to spook scum. I am not in that situation right now even to try to play up town reads. I have like three. It's not a happy place. Let's kill someone and regret it later.

uh who exactly -are- you townreading? it's kinda hard to make out in the storm of wagons you support.

[T S O]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

oh god

this is like tso 2.0

vig him Zdenek.

[T S O]

Give me a list of active lurkers and take your fucking pick.

[T S O]

Are you always lazy and uncooperative with people

or is it just me

because i surely can't be that hard to type the names of 2-3 people

it's late, I'm tired, and I have given you your damn answer

FINE

There's one guy called Xayzeck, I guess.

Going through the playerlists with the mindset of "which on of these are active lurkers" and being "ah! this guy is so he's tso's scumread" won't fly with me.

Stop suggesting and being vague with who you scumread please, just fucking say who you scumread

you

[T S O]

Also, Saki.

[T S O]

Unvote
Vote: Aegor

[T S O]

Can we please lynch Aegor, we ran him up to his claim.

[T S O]

Dry-fit is at L-1, we don't have to worry about getting a lynch. I'll be on anyway.

If you think Aegor is more likely scum than Dry-fit (hint: yes) then vote him. The wagon will easily get its numbers if people will simply be decisive.

[T S O]

Plus, Dry-fit's role PM is similar as fuck to my own.

[T S O]

I'd be willing to vote Aegor. I have been all day. I'm not willing to unvote to do so. You see my conundrum.

No, I don't. Dry-fit is really fucking town from play and from claim. Aegor is not. The reason Aegor may not be lynched is that we'll have about 5 responses just like yours where no-one has the courage to vote Aegor and lead. You can change this, now. If you do it, I can guarantee others will follow. Be brave. Vote Aegor.

#AEGOR2014

[T S O]

Thank you!

[T S O]

Yeah, I do.

This wagon has 8 people - it's not a TSO wagon. Aegor has been insipid today and will be tomorrow. He's way more likely to be scum than Dry-fit.

We have a full day, at least 7 people will be on during then. Don't remove your vote, please.

[T S O]

I'm okay with that.

[T S O]

Dry-fit and Aegor wagons are now equal.

[T S O]

Quit outing yourself.

[T S O]

Shiny or Doublade, hammer this to fuck

[T S O]

I read it, I didn't give a shit then, and I don't now either

Would you honestly prefer a no lynch to a lynch?

[T S O]

there's literally no reason to think Aegor is town. none.

[T S O]

I'm not sure you understand how this works.

There is no

time

left to lynch Dry-fit. We have

6 hours

. This is

not enough

. Therefore, we either

lynch Aegor

or

no lynch

. We do not want to

no lynch

, therefore we must

vote Aegor

. I have voted Aegor, now you should do this also.

I don't care if you think he's a PR, that's speculation which means shit. Survivalistic scum plays similarly to a PR.

[T S O]

No he's fucking not? He's Town and Aegor is a scumfuck. If you won't vote Aegor, I'll just get one of them to.

PEdit: I don't even know who you are, but Johhog was my first IC.

[T S O]

Wisdom or Mara? Probably Mara.

Well, you were my IC, but only for that one disastrous game where we got smashed d1/d2 clean town sweep.

[T S O]

I apologize if I sounded condescending, but I do require this lynch to happen all the same.

[T S O]

hey, if dry fit is at lynch point I got no problem hammering... I also think it is speculative on Aegor being a PR. I have no problem waiting things out either...

Dry-fit wagon is dead and buried, it requires votes it won't get. Someone will hammer Aegor, I guarantee it.

[T S O]

I have decided that I have been clogging this thread up with my own anger, which is leading to apathy and whatnot, so from d2 I'm going to actually start doing 3 things differently:

1) Be nicer to people so this shitty antagonistic atmosphere surrounding my stances will disapeear
2) Actively pursue reads outside of Xayzeck, which has polarised me today
3) Quit wasting time talking to Xayzeck!

[T S O]

And yes, Rach, that includes you! Rejoice! Nice TSO is out and ready to hang scum and hand compliments! And so forth!

[T S O]

Where is everyone? Come on, 'muricans.

[T S O]

Agreed. Scumteam is definitely lurking.

[T S O]

Can everyone please ISO Saki, because he is full-on active lurking. And he's getting away with it.

[T S O]

If I die tonight, which is rather unlikely, just Cop Saki, lynch Saki or Vig Saki.

[T S O]

he's not going to hammer himself, and he's trying to pretend he's a PR

Hammer him

[T S O]

DO IT

AND LET HIM KNOW HOW YOUR FISHING TRIP IS GOING

[T S O]

ACCEPTABLE ANSWERS: GOOD, GREAT, INCREDIBLE, FANTASTIC, SUPREME, MY FATHER WAS EATEN BY A SHARK

[T S O]

I'm going to bed with my lynch intact. Well played, Spring Starflower. Well played.



Nothing more to say.

[T S O]

disagree.

[T S O]

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[T S O]

FOR GREAT JUSTICE

FINALLY!

[T S O]

tso, i don't want to townread you anymore.

you'll always be my mason, even if I'm not yours. <3

[T S O]

I have a feeling we're

completely fucking wrong

right!

It's 2:15 a.m., though, so see you guys on d2 hopefully!

[T S O]

what would you have done?

[T S O]

If you want to talk serious, I can do that. I have a strong read on you, yes, but I mislynched Dryfit recently and this situation reeks of it all happening again. Dry-fit didn't have a sample role claim to get that from - the sample isn't locked, and I'm nearly treating him as an IC for that alone. Aegor's attempt to be survivalistic finally pissed me off enough to vote him. The Aegor wagon's players are better than the Dry-fit's.

[T S O]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

VOTE: Xayzeck

VOTE: Dry-Fit

VOTE: Jordan

VOTE: Xayzeck

VOTE: Jordan

The Aegor haters still have three days to mobilize.

My Dry-fit wagon is gaining traction!

VOTE: Dry-Fit

Fuck no.

[T S O]

be bop ba boda bo

[T S O]

I don't think anyone really deserved to win this game - but Jordan would probably be my pick, then Saki, then Town.

Doublade/SKOT MVP's.

[T S O]

wp y'all

[T S O]

It was a cool set-up - I'd like to think I promoted activity d1.

[T S O]

[T S O]

In fairness to Sonic, he kept telling us he was conftown. And maybe he was, somehow somewhere.

[T S O]

Spring Starflower is mod-confirmed as

Village Light Innocent Child!

[/u][/size]

no wait im sorry that was messed up

let me try again

Metal Sonic is Masons with Sakura Hana!

masons are conftown remember

(we lynched him that day)

[T S O]

your play was borderline scummy-worthy, it was some of the best vig play I've ever seen

seriously

[T S O]

like the only reason town were not absolutely and utterly steamrolled by scum was you.