Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[ZZZX]

vote saki

Bandwagôooooooôn

[ZZZX]

I'll read this in 15 minutes and post. Just saying im here

[ZZZX]

i think I mostly caught up... and all i found is... bs lol

[ZZZX]

So sad to miss RVS. Glad we got in something at least.

lets policy lynch aegor instead

VOTE: aegor

The policy lynch on hydra is a bad idea. The policy lynch on aegor for it is also a bad idea. These aren't two lefts here. I don't like Spring's vote though. I'm fairly new to the site and even I know there are many policy lynches in this player list that are a better idea then aegor.

vote saki

Bandwagôooooooôn

RVS or not this is horrible I think, but I just now reminded myself this is the biggest game I've played in and a tiny wagon probably isn't any really help at all. So, scratch that.

I think I'll disagree with mastin on tmct. Especially with the following replies.

I am about to be awarded the most horrible rvs contest after being so horrible in every game I played. I think its something to keep for the laughs

[ZZZX]

where did i smear poop in your face?


i didnt

or maybe i did

but then its an accident

Hey sonic... Get a avi, Want me to get you one here?

[ZZZX]

where did i smear poop in your face?


i didnt

or maybe i did

but then its an accident

Hey sonic... Get a avi, Want me to get you one here?

avatar*

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Nope I wasnt baiting

But thatd be a good excuse wouldn't it

But im rather surprised people calling that scummy, because that one post isnt that bad?

But eh not too concerned about the votes~

Those wanting pls id say are town

Jingle are you pushing me or protecting me

This post gives me the chills. Thats bad.

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I like Jordan. I feel that I want to lynch mastin.

Why?

[ZZZX]

I think it takes scum big balls to declare pl on every hydra in the game

Doncha think

I... dont know about that.

[ZZZX]

people in my lynchpool right now: Necro, TMCT, Fear

They are all independently scum with their own reasons, but I can see Necro/TMCT being a thing pretty easily too.

Care to explain your reasons?

[ZZZX]

Mastin's town. My vote switches to
VOTE: Jordan

Reasoning on the Mastin read? Is this typical town-Mastin behavior?

also the way TMCT hopped onto my wagon, being all awkward and RVS-toney and what not bugs me too

Define "wagon."

i'm quite liking the idea of mastin and tmct being scum together

people in my lynchpool right now: Necro, TMCT, Fear

They are all independently scum with their own reasons, but I can see Necro/TMCT being a thing pretty easily too.

Anyone else you want to inconsistently tie me with?

I dont think mastin is so easily read anyway.

[ZZZX]

unvote: TMCT

Nice quote

[ZZZX]

(Yep, just confirmed. Anti's take on Xayzeck strongly implied townread.
Speaking of reads, Anti called ZX town even stronger than I did, soyeah, we agree there.
He's got a read on SKOT, too; not sure I should share that one, though. SKOT is an ambivalent read of mine.)

Can you tell me where he said that? I can't find it. Lol

[ZZZX]

(Yep, just confirmed. Anti's take on Xayzeck strongly implied townread.
Speaking of reads, Anti called ZX town even stronger than I did, soyeah, we agree there.
He's got a read on SKOT, too; not sure I should share that one, though. SKOT is an ambivalent read of mine.)

Can you tell me where he said that? I can't find it. Lol

it's in our QT

Are you masons or something?


Also can masons day talk?

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no we're a hydra

we're just waiting for the admin to activate our account.

That explains a lot lol.

[ZZZX]

Yo Ms ! Nice seeing you here.


Yea I am town. What about you ?

Is this the scum hunta metal I know?

Will post more 2moro after exam

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2moro is my graduation but now I got 1-2 weeks of free time and I must say...

This current Metal Sonic isnt the usual obv town Sonic. Why you do this to me sonic?

Vote Spring flower

Its like

Every post I read from you feel too forced. Can you explain and convince me you are not scum?

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you miss 4-5 days, things tend to stack up. The rate appears to be about 4.5 pages per day.

I missed 8 hours a day at school. And I found +5 pages added everytime.

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24 PAGES

FUCK YOU ALL

I was about to say how the hell did 24 pages happen before I realized the game started, but this works just as well.

still not as bad as xenoblade <3 nachos

Hey unclear-sonic...


Convince me you are town.

you have 2 pages.

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the funny thing is that i am in [big number here] ongoing games with you and we cant talk about any of them.

That is sad too :>

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i am town. that is all.

I still have my doubts honestly. meh

[ZZZX]

i am always town. except when... you know.

yes i am town. are you always town too ?

Yea... I am nearly convinced LOL

[ZZZX]

Yea... I am nearly convinced LOL

[ZZZX]

Yea=yes

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I never knew how to catch scum-sonic. I mostly end up with town sonic which is lovely too

[ZZZX]

are you town this game ?

you arent answering the question

uh oh...

Wat

[ZZZX]

why dont u move the vote lol its your slot

hydra courtesy. as a perfect gentleman, i usually let my partner have control of the vote.

I keep forgetting you guys are a hydra.


Anyway can someone explain the biggest wagon going on? I'm confused abit

[ZZZX]

shit

Ahahahahahaha

[ZZZX]

why dont u move the vote lol its your slot

hydra courtesy. as a perfect gentleman, i usually let my partner have control of the vote.

I keep forgetting you guys are a hydra.


Anyway can someone explain the biggest wagon going on? I'm confused abit

they're scum+trolls and we're trying to sort them out

Who do you believe to be troll so far and who is scum in ur opinion?

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Can you remind me what white nights refers to? (Is it indirectly protecting?)

[ZZZX]

Perhaps it's just an odd wording and both paragraphs meant jordan, but you said "Jordan seems to be-" in the first paragraph, and then followed it with "ironically I could say the same for Jordan". Leading the reader to the conclusion that the first paragraph was not about Jordan, and slightly confusing one TD.

yep, i'm sliding on my grammar.

my implication was that jordan isn't providing much content (what i previously called "the party line" in the parenthetical).

Calling out others to something is a strong scummtell/slip depending how you take it.


I have seen it.countless times. Scum naturally call others for things they do for some reason

[ZZZX]

You are talking about thenecro right?

[ZZZX]

I am so confused right now. I am talking about thenecro where?

I think.my PC bugged lol wtf

[ZZZX]

1) i thought you said you talked with sthar about my meta. if you never had a meta knowledge why did you act like you did before?
2) the bolded is a substantive argument. care to give any backing for that?
3) you're making baseless accusations, seeing that i can't respond to a baseless accusation, and then try to accuse me of not generating content. gotta' love the logic trap.

One, this is a hydra. What Jingle knows is going to be completely different what I know. In regards to backing. Look over just about any post from you from page 20 back. Only recently have you included any real argument, and have dropped off the emotional fit. Which I appreciate.

not so, my dear metal sonic

jordan seems to be clinging to RVS logic and then using the anti-mastin/hero sentiment to ride out the wagon. this is evidenced by the fact that he can't articulate why he's voting us (other than parroting the party line that we're not "providing content").

ironically, i could say the same for jordan. a quick look at his iso shows he's:
1) whiteknighted Xay
2) tunneled on your slot and our slot the whole game nearly to the exclusion of everyone else (apparently Fear merited a mention, but he's willing to blissfully go along with the wagon even though he apparently doesn't like the company).

I personal tend to directly focus on a few people. I can assure you I'm keeping a watch on the rest of the game. I'd like to see where exactly you think we whiteknighted xay. If it's for thinking he's an easy lynch, I still agree on that. Doesn't mean he's town. An easy lynch can come from either side. A players ability isn't alignment indicative.

In regards to Fear, I don't like his posts. They've added nothing to the game, while accusing you of doing the same, which isn't helpful, but there is very little posting to deal with, and I still like your slot better at the moment.

In regards to no content, I'm sure just like you, I feel like I'm getting all sorts of information from other players in response to my posts, and that's what I need at this point in the game. Perhaps when jingle gets caught up he'll have better site meta posts for you to judge.

Still no reason to try to get him voted for it is it?

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Not connected hydras are driving me insane I had to open main page 18 times today to check who hydras are.

[ZZZX]

mastin, you can move the vote back to jordan.

Sure, I guess.
VOTE: Jordan.
With the explicit knowledge that talah's still scum and even stronger.

With the explicit knowledge that talah's still scum and even stronger.

is actually quite town lol.

[ZZZX]

I thought about it and

Unvote

I will think this again. I am not sure who could be scum.

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MS can be town as well, I'd call ZZZX Town too but that post about his computer bugging screams "SHIT FUCK I'M SCUM NOT MAKING ANY SENSE OH BALLS THEY'RE ONTO TO ME I NEED AN EXCUSE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE HMM AHH SHIT AHH HMM COMPUTER BUG GOT IT GET IT DOWN IT'S TRUE I SWEAR BYE!"

Yea I posted a single post with not-readable English and it made no sense and appeared. Way too late it did
How could that be scum motivated

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Sonic who are ur scum/town reads so far?

TheNecro what about you?


I have an interesting theory

[ZZZX]

If the theory is "Necro and Sonic are scum together", that's not really an interesting theory based on what you just posted.

That's something you could have saved time by just saying what you mean.

So I hope the theory is elaborate.

I will tell you the theory after both reads.

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Spring Starflower answer my question last page

PLEASE

[ZZZX]

This game is confusing as bananas

[ZZZX]

Vote Spring

I just cant get the fact that I didnt confirm you as confirmed town and we are in this page out of my head.

[ZZZX]

Mastin and Antihero, why do you refuse to take a stance on Xayzeck?

What stance are you expecting.

[ZZZX]

I didn't catch up, I didn't need to catch up to see something so incredibly obvious.
You're a better player than a vote like that, hence me guessing you're just LOLtunneling because you're scum and you can yell loud.

Just WHO is this post directed to? I cant understand this at all, You town read TSO and then say he is scum here or what is going on here??

[ZZZX]

You town read TSO

no he doesn't?

Sorry I read Xay is town as TSO is town


Oh fuck I suck :< (that rhymes lol)

[ZZZX]

Hi, Sakura head here back from V/LA haven't heard from MS during my abscence tho and there's like 20 pages since last time i read, so im hoping he can catch me up.

MS has been trolling and doing nothing this game. I got my eyes on your hydra this game... you gota be careful

[ZZZX]

Where is TMCT? Where's Fear? Where's Pere?

Pere seems to be a townread to a lot of people, which I don't get. Someone walk me through that.

Isnt pere getting replaced thou?

[ZZZX]

I will post later after I feel even better and I catch up. really sorry

[ZZZX]

V/la for a week. I might be able to post every while but I need to take care of finals AND my illness

[ZZZX]

fun when scum kill the most anti town town

I dont want to say any word but.... I my experiance this is a VERY strong scum tell.

You see what he did there? Distance himself from the kill so hard it feels wrong.

I have been annoyed by SPring all this game but this is it for me.

Vote Spring flower

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Spring flower just for making sure.

[ZZZX]

Spoiler: VCIIoA

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (4):

ZZZX

, Doublade, Aegor,

Dry-fit

TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1) Saki
The Most Curious Thing (4): Zdenek,

TiphaineDeath

,

Xayzeck

, PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): Talah
Xayzeck (2): The Most Curious Thing, Natirasha
TheNecromancers (1): Jordan_Downey
Jordan_Downey (2): TheNecromancers, MafiaSSK
Aegor (1): Spring Starflower
Not Voting (4): Shiny Hydreigon,

Nachomamma8

, TSO,

RachMarie

I'm basically calling this the beginning of the VCA, since it's the point where more players than not are seriously engaged. On the major wagons (not voting also being not active yet), bold = extreme interest; italicized = minor interest.

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (4): ZZZX, Doublade, Aegor, Dry-fit
TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (3): TiphaineDeath, Xayzeck, PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Natirasha, Zdenek, TheNecromancers
TheNecromancers (3): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (4): Shiny Hydreigon, Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

Of note, Xayzeck wagon builds and wagon on us begins to form.

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Dry-fit (3): Saki, Aegor, Doublade
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (4): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha
Jordan_Downey (3): Shiny Hydreigon, TheNecromancers, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

Wagon on us continues to grow; Jordan wagon forms.

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): TheNecromancers
Dry-fit (3): Saki, Aegor, Doublade
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (5): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

And all wagons, essentially, aside from ours stagnate/collapse.

Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (1): TheNecromancers
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (8):

Jordan_Downey, Talah

,

Xayzeck

, Natirasha, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Aegor, Doublade,

Fear

Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

(Did I mention how horribad this wagon on us actually was? Yeah, well, it was. )

Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (2): TheNecromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek,

TiphaineDeath

, TSO
TheNecromancers (5): Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower,
Aegor (1): Dry-fit
Not Voting (4):

Nachomamma8

, RachMarie, Doublade,

ZZZX

Xayzeck wagon's of note.

Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (3): TheNecromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath, TSO
TheNecromancers (4): Xayzeck, Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (1): Dry-fit
Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, Doublade, ZZZX

Talah wagon begins to form.

Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Xayzeck
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (4): The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon, Zdenek
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade
The Necromancers (3): Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (2): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, ZZZX

And gain steam.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Xayzeck
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (4): The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon, Zdenek
Xayzeck (5): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, MafiaSSK
The Necromancers (2): Natirasha, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (2): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, Fear

The Xayzeck wagon pulls ahead, though.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Zdenek
Xayzeck (6): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, MafiaSSK, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
The Necromancers (2): Thor665, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (3): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): RachMarie, Fear

Should be noted that the reason the talah wagon collapsed was because of his claim--which also explains the Xayzeck wagon, and also the emerging Aegor wagon. (SKOT hops off of Xayzeck, replaced by Thor and Aegor.)

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (2): PeregrineV, RachMarie
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (7): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, MafiaSSK, Thor665, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (2): Spring Starflower, Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (3): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): Fear, Sharpest-knife-on-tree

We got this,

PeregrineV (2): RachMarie, Talah
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (6): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Thor665, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (2): Spring Starflower, Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (5): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Then this. Aegor wagon forms.

PeregrineV (1): RachMarie
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Talah
Dry-fit (2): Saki, Aegor
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (6): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Thor665, Spring Starflower
Jordan_Downey (1): Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (5): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Wagon composition changes a bit, but otherwise is the same. I'm not sure if this means that we had two town wagons or if the scum simply didn't think a Xayzeck lynch would go through, though it has to be one of the two. Either way, I'm thinking that they basically had even distribution: on Xayzeck (so that they could jump off when need be), on Aegor (the counterwagon), and floating about.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (2): Saki, Aegor
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (5): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Spring Starflower
Jordan_Downey (3): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665
Aegor (5): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Jordan wagon forms.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (5): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (6): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower
Aegor (3): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Solidly. (Really, who's scum on there? Don't really see any possible, aside from something like a minuscule 7 or so percent chance of Spring Starflower.)

Jordan_Downey (7): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower, Saki

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (3): Doublade, Saki, Xayzeck
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (2): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath,
Jordan_Downey (10): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower, Dry-fit, MafiaSSK, TSO, Aegor
Aegor (1): Jordan_Downey
Not Voting (1): Fear

Saki does do a hit-and-run, but given who spearheaded the Dry-fit wagon, I understand that. Anyway, look at the Jordan wagon here. Incredibly, it has absolutely none of my current scumspects on it. Obviously, I can have faulty reads. But not

that

faulty. It really seems like a case where the scum could have finished Jordan off. (Heck, jon was online to do so!) Yet...deliberately chose not to, for fear of losing a strong scum PR of theirs.

Their claim saves them, and we begin to get equal counter-wagons on Dry-fit and Aegor.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (5): Doublade, Saki,

Xayzeck

, RachMarie, Aegor
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (1): The Most Curious Thing
Jordan_Downey (4): Shiny Hydreigon, The Necromancers, Spring Starflower, MafiaSSK
Aegor (6):

Jordan_Downey

, Sharpest-knife-on-tree,

TiphaineDeath

, TSO, Thor665, Dry-fit
Not Voting (1): Fear

As shown here.

I really am getting the impression they didn't care which of Dry-fit or Aegor died, so long as it wasn't Jordan.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): TSO
Dry-fit (8): Doublade, Xayzeck, RachMarie, Aegor, Saki, Spring Starflower, Jon_h61, Jordan_Downey
Malakittens (1): Shiny Hydreigon
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Titus (2): The Necromancers, PeregrineV
Jordan_Downey (1): Malakittens
Aegor (6): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, TiphaineDeath, Thor665, Dry-fit, Titus, MafiaSSK

That'd sure be a fair amount of bussing if Dry-fit were to be scum. Soyeah, strongly inclined to think he isn't.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (11): Doublade,

Xayzeck

, RachMarie, Aegor, Saki, Spring Starflower,

Jon_h61, Jordan_Downey

, Thor665, Shiny Hydreigon, PeregrineV

L-1

TSO (1): Nachomamma8
Titus (1): The Necromancers
Aegor (8): Sharpest-knife-on-tree,

TiphaineDeath

, Dry-fit,

Titus

, MafiaSSK, Zdenek, TSO, Malakittens

You can really see it here. Scum are going to be on both wagons.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (8): Xayzeck, RachMarie, Aegor, Saki, Spring Starflower, Jon_h61, Shiny Hydreigon, PeregrineV
TSO (1): Nachomamma8

Aegor (12): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, TiphaineDeath, Dry-fit, Titus, MafiaSSK, Zdenek, TSO, Malakittens, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Thor665, Doublade

And very clearly did not care which went through.

Okay, so I suppose it's not IioA; there's some analysis present. Still, though, only vaguely helpful.

Why was my rvs interesting may I ask? And how does that make me look scum?

[ZZZX]

Spoiler: VCIIoA

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (4):

ZZZX

, Doublade, Aegor,

Dry-fit

TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1) Saki
The Most Curious Thing (4): Zdenek,

TiphaineDeath

,

Xayzeck

, PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): Talah
Xayzeck (2): The Most Curious Thing, Natirasha
TheNecromancers (1): Jordan_Downey
Jordan_Downey (2): TheNecromancers, MafiaSSK
Aegor (1): Spring Starflower
Not Voting (4): Shiny Hydreigon,

Nachomamma8

, TSO,

RachMarie

I'm basically calling this the beginning of the VCA, since it's the point where more players than not are seriously engaged. On the major wagons (not voting also being not active yet), bold = extreme interest; italicized = minor interest.

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (4): ZZZX, Doublade, Aegor, Dry-fit
TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (3): TiphaineDeath, Xayzeck, PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Natirasha, Zdenek, TheNecromancers
TheNecromancers (3): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (4): Shiny Hydreigon, Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

Of note, Xayzeck wagon builds and wagon on us begins to form.

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
TiphaineDeath (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Dry-fit (3): Saki, Aegor, Doublade
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (4): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha
Jordan_Downey (3): Shiny Hydreigon, TheNecromancers, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

Wagon on us continues to grow; Jordan wagon forms.

Shiny Hydreigon (1): Fear
Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): TheNecromancers
Dry-fit (3): Saki, Aegor, Doublade
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (5): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

And all wagons, essentially, aside from ours stagnate/collapse.

Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (1): TheNecromancers
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (8):

Jordan_Downey, Talah

,

Xayzeck

, Natirasha, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Aegor, Doublade,

Fear

Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

(Did I mention how horribad this wagon on us actually was? Yeah, well, it was. )

Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (2): TheNecromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek,

TiphaineDeath

, TSO
TheNecromancers (5): Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower,
Aegor (1): Dry-fit
Not Voting (4):

Nachomamma8

, RachMarie, Doublade,

ZZZX

Xayzeck wagon's of note.

Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (3): TheNecromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath, TSO
TheNecromancers (4): Xayzeck, Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (1): Dry-fit
Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, Doublade, ZZZX

Talah wagon begins to form.

Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Xayzeck
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (4): The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon, Zdenek
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade
The Necromancers (3): Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (2): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, ZZZX

And gain steam.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Xayzeck
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (4): The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon, Zdenek
Xayzeck (5): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, MafiaSSK
The Necromancers (2): Natirasha, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (2): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey
Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, Fear

The Xayzeck wagon pulls ahead, though.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Zdenek
Xayzeck (6): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, MafiaSSK, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
The Necromancers (2): Thor665, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (3): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): RachMarie, Fear

Should be noted that the reason the talah wagon collapsed was because of his claim--which also explains the Xayzeck wagon, and also the emerging Aegor wagon. (SKOT hops off of Xayzeck, replaced by Thor and Aegor.)

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (2): PeregrineV, RachMarie
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (7): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, MafiaSSK, Thor665, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (2): Spring Starflower, Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (3): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): Fear, Sharpest-knife-on-tree

We got this,

PeregrineV (2): RachMarie, Talah
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (6): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Thor665, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (2): Spring Starflower, Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (5): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Then this. Aegor wagon forms.

PeregrineV (1): RachMarie
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Talah
Dry-fit (2): Saki, Aegor
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (6): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Thor665, Spring Starflower
Jordan_Downey (1): Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (5): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Wagon composition changes a bit, but otherwise is the same. I'm not sure if this means that we had two town wagons or if the scum simply didn't think a Xayzeck lynch would go through, though it has to be one of the two. Either way, I'm thinking that they basically had even distribution: on Xayzeck (so that they could jump off when need be), on Aegor (the counterwagon), and floating about.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (2): Saki, Aegor
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Talah (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (5): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Spring Starflower
Jordan_Downey (3): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665
Aegor (5): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Jordan wagon forms.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (2): Xayzeck, Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (5): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath, TSO, Doublade, Aegor
Jordan_Downey (6): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower
Aegor (3): Dry-fit, Jordan_Downey, MafiaSSK
Not Voting (1): Fear

Solidly. (Really, who's scum on there? Don't really see any possible, aside from something like a minuscule 7 or so percent chance of Spring Starflower.)

Jordan_Downey (7): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower, Saki

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (3): Doublade, Saki, Xayzeck
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (2): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath,
Jordan_Downey (10): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower, Dry-fit, MafiaSSK, TSO, Aegor
Aegor (1): Jordan_Downey
Not Voting (1): Fear

Saki does do a hit-and-run, but given who spearheaded the Dry-fit wagon, I understand that. Anyway, look at the Jordan wagon here. Incredibly, it has absolutely none of my current scumspects on it. Obviously, I can have faulty reads. But not

that

faulty. It really seems like a case where the scum could have finished Jordan off. (Heck, jon was online to do so!) Yet...deliberately chose not to, for fear of losing a strong scum PR of theirs.

Their claim saves them, and we begin to get equal counter-wagons on Dry-fit and Aegor.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (5): Doublade, Saki,

Xayzeck

, RachMarie, Aegor
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (1): The Most Curious Thing
Jordan_Downey (4): Shiny Hydreigon, The Necromancers, Spring Starflower, MafiaSSK
Aegor (6):

Jordan_Downey

, Sharpest-knife-on-tree,

TiphaineDeath

, TSO, Thor665, Dry-fit
Not Voting (1): Fear

As shown here.

I really am getting the impression they didn't care which of Dry-fit or Aegor died, so long as it wasn't Jordan.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): TSO
Dry-fit (8): Doublade, Xayzeck, RachMarie, Aegor, Saki, Spring Starflower, Jon_h61, Jordan_Downey
Malakittens (1): Shiny Hydreigon
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Titus (2): The Necromancers, PeregrineV
Jordan_Downey (1): Malakittens
Aegor (6): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, TiphaineDeath, Thor665, Dry-fit, Titus, MafiaSSK

That'd sure be a fair amount of bussing if Dry-fit were to be scum. Soyeah, strongly inclined to think he isn't.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (11): Doublade,

Xayzeck

, RachMarie, Aegor, Saki, Spring Starflower,

Jon_h61, Jordan_Downey

, Thor665, Shiny Hydreigon, PeregrineV

L-1

TSO (1): Nachomamma8
Titus (1): The Necromancers
Aegor (8): Sharpest-knife-on-tree,

TiphaineDeath

, Dry-fit,

Titus

, MafiaSSK, Zdenek, TSO, Malakittens

You can really see it here. Scum are going to be on both wagons.

Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Dry-fit (8): Xayzeck, RachMarie, Aegor, Saki, Spring Starflower, Jon_h61, Shiny Hydreigon, PeregrineV
TSO (1): Nachomamma8

Aegor (12): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, TiphaineDeath, Dry-fit, Titus, MafiaSSK, Zdenek, TSO, Malakittens, Jordan_Downey, The Necromancers, Thor665, Doublade

And very clearly did not care which went through.

Okay, so I suppose it's not IioA; there's some analysis present. Still, though, only vaguely helpful.

Why was my rvs interesting may I ask? And how does that make me look scum?

you going actually start participating in this game or you just going to be a lurk-a-derp?

Hopefully I will get enough activity to cover for the time I lost being v/la begining from now.

[ZZZX]

the problem is you didn't say much and left a naked vote prior to VLA... you referenced an illness around here so maybe you were not around...

I am not sure about what you are currently talking about. If you can give me some time to iso myself because I am pretty confused.

[ZZZX]

Your vote history is this ZZZx

Random vote for Saki, kept it for a long time.
Vote for Spring
Disappear
add in some complaints about rate of posting, some town reads, some complaint of being confused. Now you complain of being confused for a 2nd time. what exactly is confusing to you?

The fact that there are +20 pages that I still have to read and such I have no idea what is going on.

[ZZZX]

Your vote history is this ZZZx

Random vote for Saki, kept it for a long time.
Vote for Spring
Disappear
add in some complaints about rate of posting, some town reads, some complaint of being confused. Now you complain of being confused for a 2nd time. what exactly is confusing to you?

The fact that there are +20 pages that I still have to read and such I have no idea what is going on.

you have no idea what is going on? A simply scan of mod posts give you an idea of what is going on. Sure coming back from being gone can have some disorientation to it but I would not imagine reorienting to a game would take that much...

I have a really vague idea but not enough to be sure. I am at least sure Spring is my #1 scum read

[ZZZX]

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.

a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real! I got a full readlist nearly ready in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

[ZZZX]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

[ZZZX]

I submit scum will be forced to be honest about their polarity or be caught out - there are a number of ways it will become a pretty functional backtrack once (and if) a polarity claim happens.
Even if you think it's utterly useless, unless you can describe how it helps scum - I don't see an issue with it.

Well I agree about that but It should not be used to clear someone for sure. Just saying that.

[ZZZX]

After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

yea Net Polarity can work.

Anyway why is SS not being voted at all?

[ZZZX]

we need to quicklynch zzzx

Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.


GUYS why doesnt anyone see this?

[ZZZX]

Why is my post ignored?

[ZZZX]

Why is my post ignored?

Tell you what, I'll address it when you answer whether your polarity changed last night.

You also triggered me to look at your iso - you promised full reads list yesterday and said the list was basically ready to go...are you still working on that?

Vote: ZZZX

@TiphaineDeath - I am now also saying 'lynch this' so...whassup?

It was ready to go but I am not home. And why would you like to know? If you want so bad then here. My Polarity didn't change. And lol Xay P-edit I must see the reasoning of this naked lovely vote.

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZZX

Oh and is this chainsaw defence for spring?

[ZZZX]

What if the us was referring to town?

Anw vote ZZZX with me now

Let me fix this for you

Why not sheep my naked vote to save my scumbuddy?

[ZZZX]

Who Titus?

Didnt she just get dayvig'd? lol

I really dont know what I should say to you.. Lol

if Titus flips scum we go for this guy please?

[ZZZX]

Who Titus?

Didnt she just get dayvig'd? lol

Probably a reaction test. Seen this sort of thing before.

Inb4 it is real dayvig.

And by the word Dark infront of it that means daykills are affected by polarity? If so he chose dark because most people are currently light?


And I am calling this a defence for whatever current wagon is. You are trying so hard to make a counter wagon.

[ZZZX]

How does posting speed up the vote count?

[ZZZX]

I'm not really trying hard

I just asked mala to vote with me? That's just 1 person

Kinda a bandwagon effect here. Why do you think I am scum btw?

[ZZZX]

My read list will be out when i feel like finishing it. I am lazy enough

[ZZZX]

Well I'm dark locked if it helps you any.

At least I won't have to post on my vacation if it's a real vig.

looks like youre dead, any last words then?

Doesnt being a darklocked make him immune from dark dayvigs? or at least thats how I understood the rules.

[ZZZX]

Nah, she's alive because of the following:

1. I don't have a real day vig kill :[

2. ZZZX is right that you need to have an opp. polarity for any action to go through.

So both titus / I can't do anything to each other while we are both dark.

Either way, titus' reaction felt "meh" to me. I was oh :readslist: but then it was 'meh'

Meh reactions are usually bad to dayvigs.

[ZZZX]

Nah, she's alive because of the following:

1. I don't have a real day vig kill :[

2. ZZZX is right that you need to have an opp. polarity for any action to go through.

So both titus / I can't do anything to each other while we are both dark.

Either way, titus' reaction felt "meh" to me. I was oh :readslist: but then it was 'meh'

Meh reactions are usually bad to dayvigs.

Wow... egg on much without providing your own content?

Why are "Meh" reactions bad? You said they are "usually" bad, suggesting that you think it was probably bad but leaving yourself an out if I flip town.

This just moved into lean scum.

Because they are the reaction scum would try to fake if they get fake dayvigged.

Also I found that from experiance. Not all Mehs are bad but 60% of the time scum do it.

[ZZZX]

Readlist coming after either 1 hour if I can finish the new one in that time of 5 hours where I will be home.

[ZZZX]

Shiny Hydreigon:

his content is so low it made me cry. a quick iso showed he has put about ~7(I think?) naked voted and did not try to actively hunt and he is only contracting himself so much. He was also whiteknighting at the end of day 1 as it seems Here are a few quotes:

Spoiler:

VOTE: mala

Eh.. just Isoed him, leaning town

Thats awesome!

And, I

think

dryfit is the one I called town in my irritation yesterday, But I dont recall him doing much, or standing out a whole lot, which is typical dryfit, so

Uh.. well, fuck me, jordan might be town? That said, it does have a pretty big flaw, in that it means ALL of town is going to have to trust them, in which I still do not, and claiming whether or not one has changed would peg them as a target for NK, and make it easier for scum to figure out who is light if those among them are dark, because of the field change

Yes, not voting aegor, and I am pretty sure that, once he's claimed, dryfit will get inched regardless

REFUSE

I refuse to lynch aegor, regardless of fucking deadline

Leaning Scum

Doublade:

Nothing much to say here. my only point in reading marquis is how playful marquis's game is. It seems playful enough but I feel something is off. ANd he hasnt posted since 5~ days so I have to leave this at

null

Saki: The One and Only true lurker .... 14 POSTS ONLY? REALLY? and you guys FREAKING CALLED ME OUT FOR LURKING WITH me having 6 times her posts?! Her few posts contained NOTHING AT ALL

Leaning Scum

ZZZX : I EZ TOWN
PeregrineV : His reaction to mala seemed interesting enough but he didnt even capitalize on it even thou he was like "I got it!" giving me a scum bus vibes.

Leaning Scum

Spring Starflower : My strongest scum read. Even thou its based on meta. I have never seen town MS not cause a whole feast of **** in the game with a bazillion fake claims and gambits. Somehow he is playing REALLY careful this game. And to top it off? A hydra is lurking worse than me which is unbelievable

Scum

Eddie Fenix : Is trying to push the game really hard. Which is a good thing? Otherwise I dont really have much to say about him. But I will iso him when I feel like it.

Leaning town

TiphaineDeath: Lots of contradactions and has recently posted posts that feel... Off. Here are some of his contradaction posts that appear closely to each others.

Spoiler:

I made a mistake yesterday, I will not make the same mistake again. Occam commands me, VOTE: Xayzeck.

Also acceptable lynches would be titus or zzzx, though I have an unfortunate history of scumreading titus when she's town so I'm a bit more leery of that one.

In other news though anyone still scumreading necro should be shot to increase the intelligence of the gene pool. And thor is probably town.

ZZx has 0 votes, zzx is voting spring starflower, star flower says LYNCH THIS! with no reasoning and no vote.

Yeah no.

VOTE: Spring Starflower

I can dig it, I wanna see if I can get my spring wagon to work, but if I can't I'll join you on titus.

#malatown.

But why would the wording "us" mean anything. A townie titus townreading jon could quite easily say us while trying to coach.

Titus could still quite easily be scum, especially given how horrid fear was, but I'm honestly not seeing the slip here.

Leaning Scum

Sharpest-knife-on-tree : I feel satisfied how he is actively trying to push me to vote in a productive way and his posts feel town.

Leaning Town

Dry-fit : His posts seem good but I cant deny his post count is low as if he is trying to post good posts as little as possible to get off with town-reads and not get noticed? Its all theory thou.

Null

Malakittens : That muiltiball comment is really scummy. Its all built on the fact people will think no scum is sane enough to do so. I used to think that too until I took a lynch to the knee.

Scum

Nachomamma8 : He has NO posts but all his posts sucked.

Leaning scum

(But we can look at the fact he is being replaced)
MafiaSSK : TBC
Thor665 :TBC
Jon_h61 :TBC
Xayzeck :TBC
The Necromancers : I hate this post

Spoiler:

Can I do a readslist?

I kinda wanna do a readslist.

7. Zdenek
2. Doublade (Marquis/Caledfwitch)
6. Spring Starflower (Metal Sonic/Sakura Hana)
3. Saki
4. ZZZX
14. MafiaSSK
15. Natirasha
16. Talah
5. PeregrineV
12. Nachomamma8 (ftr, I'm probably gonna assign a "for all of day one, town no matter what" read to Nacho just 'cuz I can)
22. RachMarie (probably town anyway)
13. TSO (also likely town anyway)
10. Dry-fit (and probably town-I'll-misread-as-scum)
8. TiphaineDeath
21. Aegor
9. Sharpest-knife-on-tree
19. Fear (Yessiree/Emogirl123)
11. The Most Curious Thing
20. Jordan_Downey (Jingle/Aphix)
17. Xayzeck


1. Shiny Hydreigon (Wisdom/Notscience/Ms Marangal)
^No posts yet and no read. (Gun to head, town.)

Obv list is not solidified. But rough sketch says this holds.

It is basically a read on Dry (a detailed one) before he even got to post. If we ever lynch this guy and he is scum this list is worth looking at.
Titus : TBC
Jordan_Downey :TBC
RachMarie : TBC


Reads with TBC will be done later today or tommorrow. I actually couldnt find the old readlist and just completed most of the one I was working at. Now I will go rest and find something to freaking eat.

[ZZZX]

Well Consider my list bad but thats my list. It has nothing to do with my allignment.

[ZZZX]

.

AJGFJHERHWERJHWERJHEWR

Vote Saki

[ZZZX]

Why is starflower scum?

Because he contains Metal Sonic yet he is not using gambits. he is playing passively, He isnt even scum hunting, He is active lurking.


And Town Metal Sonic does all of the above.

[ZZZX]

There is lurking where you have to and try to be useful as long as you have time to post (What I did)

And there is lurking where saki says "." every 72 hours.

[ZZZX]

I dont get why you support my wagon :M

[ZZZX]

How'd you lose those, by the way? Computer crash? Forgot to save them? Forgot where you saved them? What?

I just have no idea where they went. Including 25 pages of a novel I was writing (latest save disappeared?) that I have rewritten today :>

[ZZZX]

Have to admit, I don't really buy it.

Yea I know. Noone does. But how does that makes me scum? Cant scum also make reads? Would scum make up execuses that appear so fake? The only reason I am using the excuse I am using is because it is real. No freaking reason for scum to do something like what I did. Look freaking closely ...

[ZZZX]

my wish came true. please flip scum.

VOTE: zzzx

nah, im pretty town


but yeah i do agree that the zx wagon reeks of scum. welp.

yeah i know. they are probably policy bussing

Not a town thought.

zx super tunnel on me and refusal to scumhunt is major throw-off from his usual play so im policy lynching him.

Blatantly false, since ZX spent a considerable amount of time trying to get a read on you AND has explained his reasoning for you AND has been scumhunting everyone in his own unique way.

Sonic's policy:
Best case scenario: Flip scum. Worst case scenario: flip anti-town VT.

And I've seen your treatment of ZX. In a twist of irony, this is not a town-you's treatment of him. You know he is not as anti-town as he seems.

...Also, I don't recall ZX roleclaiming.

you think zzzx is a good scumhunter, mastin? you think zzzx can read me at all?

lol

P-edit: she thinks I would be checking ZZZX over herself! lol!

please take for granted that i am town in this game please.

I'm not going to repeat this again.

Why is starflower scum?

Because he contains Metal Sonic yet he is not using gambits. he is playing passively, He isnt even scum hunting, He is active lurking.
And Town Metal Sonic does all of the above.

Like, any town player who sees this as scum should be ashamed of themselves.

Have to admit, I don't really buy it.

Fuck off, Thor.

Saying you're doing work and not doing it is one thing.

Saying you lost 25 pages of your novel is another thing.
If ZX is scum faking

that

, then he is a monster.
You don't joke about losing work on your stories.

(May or may not be serious.)

1. I have one person who I feel as good as scum slipped, that no one will listen to me about. (Spring)
2. I have one person whose reads list is squishier than rotten bannanas and I was scumreading before the other guys slip made me think he was town. (zzx)
3. I have one person who in their previous incarnation quietly lurked and was disgustingly scummy when they posted, and hasn't really done much to redeem themselves. (Titus)
4. And finally I have one person who was scummy all of yesterday, hasn't really done much today, I pushed all of yesterday, and when I finally got off him the guy who pushed him slightly more than i did died. (Xay)
The only good news is that there is no way spring and zzx are scum together which makes me lean towards voting one of them.
Can people who haven't responded to me yet, and who are on non-spring wagons tell me why they disagree that spring is scum?

This was a good post, btw.

Doublade (1): Titus
Saki (1): Dry-fit
ZZZX (5): Thor665, Xayzeck, Eddie Fenix, RachMarie, Doublade
Spring Starflower (2): ZZZX, TiphaineDeath
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (2): Jon_h61, Shiny Hydreigon
Titus (5): Spring Starflower, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Malakittens, PeregrineV, The Necromancers
Not Voting (2): Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK

Keep in mind--last VC, ZX had one vote: Thor's.

Four votes, in such a short timeframe.

I love your enthusiasm. Kill em all, let Mod sort em out! No seriously, I have a gut Town read, we'll see if you've fooled me, in time.

Scum buddying.

@ ZZZK You've Town read both Thor and I, promising a post later to explain more. Is it later yet?
VOTE: ZZZK

Scum voting.

Rest basically was addressing scumbuddies. (Titus and Jordan.)

oh good lord this sounds like distancing- maybe mastin is right about the slot after all...

'Course I am. Happens more often than people thing, yaknow!

my wish came true. please flip scum.
VOTE: zzzx

Scumtastic "policy" vote on ZX, seventh vote.

VOTE: zzzx
I'm not even concerned that all of his list is scum or I'm not talking about it, suspicion tends to come from town. I don't like the fact that he says, I have these reads. I have these reads. I got a read list typed up blah blah. Then when he gets his reads, they are all crap. It's like he looked at the activity log and that's where most his reads came from. Like he is not reading the game at all or paying attention to much. It all feels quite like he's trying to look lack a lazy I don't know whats going on town and not being very successful at it.

Bad, overly-elaborate reasoning for vote, eighth vote on the wagon.

All of this? Was sparked by this.

How bout this thor, titus stalled hard, and as soon as I started actually advocating for another counter wagon at all there were three more votes on ZZX. If one of titus or Spring isn't scum I will eat my hat.

Which is perfectly true. Titus is being wagoned.
The chance of a wagon on Spring came up.
Then, suddenly, the ZX wagon explodes.

This is a scum wagon.

heh, I had already concluded that ZZZx was town after my probe. I was surprised that now we have zzzx as top run up.

I have somethings to say. First of all Metal Sonic activity incressed 700% after calling him out! Aweasom.

2nd: This Metal Sonic read me wrong this game. Makes me more sure of my scum read on him. I am not playing diffrently from any other time and metal knows my scum meta and knows this isnt it. I am trying to push him to post but he refuses.

He calls my wagon full of scum yet he joins it. What the *?

The Necro is defending me (He was since day 1 basically) and I am not sure if its whiteknighting or just thoughtful player. I assume the latter.

Well those quotes were interesting so I quoted them. Try to read them instead of the last few pages to see what kind of BS MS is doing. That is not freaking town Sonic

[ZZZX]

P-edit: What crap jon? Calling me town is crap? Thanks.

Anyway back to the SS wagon

Vote: Spring Starflower

He also called me for not scum hunting while he didnt even try to LOL

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZZX

Oppurtanisitic Naked Voters Unite!

I love how 90% of my wagon is like this.

Also try to meta me if you want. my playstyle is never differant.

[ZZZX]

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.

a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real! I got a full readlist nearly ready in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.

a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real! I got a full readlist nearly ready in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

Micro 350 ended a while back so I can bring this up now.

When I saw both of these I just went "haah"

Guess who was trying to get lynched in Micro 350.

Do you think I am jester? jester play <> scum play. Jester play had to be closer to my town play than scum play. Also I promised reads in both games. and both of them said the same thing about the field trip which makes it confirmed.


So?

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZZX

Oppurtanisitic Naked Voters Unite!

I love how 90% of my wagon is like this.

Also try to meta me if you want. my playstyle is never differant.

I'm not voting you over your playstyle.

I'll agree that I don't know why most of the other people are voting you - but they also haven't been saying playstyle, so I'm not sure where this is coming from, really.

Like you sheeped without knowing why

GOD FREAKING DAMN IT LOL.

That is a case I can sheep until I read through the thread and verify. My vote on Doublade is the best but no one is voting it and I've spent more than half the day. Time to start collasping the wagons.

VOTE: ZZZX

WELCOME TO THE NAKED OPPURTANSITIVE VOTES CLUB TITUS

[ZZZX]

Bleh. It's not naked. It could use more and I will be reviewing. Your response is not townie though. You act as if my vote is static when there is another plausible wagon. Saying someone's logic is not naked. So why are you so scared of a vote that may be temporary?

because I am like 3-2 votes awayt frmo the lynch

[ZZZX]

**** this.


Everyone runing a freaking meaningless wagon on me. I feel ashamed of how town isnt freaking seeing this. Springflower is OBV scum and titus is playing shitty with his naked vote making him appear more scum. At everyone asking about the TBC. Do I have time to make a read when i am freaking trying not to get lynched?


**** this again

Vote: ZZZX

Finish this and put me out of my misery.
Anyone who played a freaking damn game should know this is my playstyle. Yet I played with half the people on my wagon and they are "Ok with a ZZZX lynch" as a ****ing case... REALLY?


Actually I dont even care anymore. lynch me and I am not defending myself any more. Deaf people are gona stay deaf no matter how freaking hard I screamed,.

[ZZZX]

STOP.THAT.SHIT.

SO what the **** should I do? Its not my fault that I Always in 90% of my town games I get read by scum because I play by meta of other sites which is considered a scumtell here.

[ZZZX]

I hate Perpetual Nonsense at least knows how to read me... I hope.

[ZZZX]

I hate Perpetual Nonsense at least knows how to read me... I hope.

where did hate come from? WTF THE TYPO LOL

I hope*

and p-edit: I am now nearly accepting my lynch if everyone in it gets lynched. Starting with Starflower

[ZZZX]

hey. we'll have time tomorrow morn
every1 jive with that?

Hurry in and help us save ZX from a mislynch.

Speaking of which, ZX, as much as seeing someone like jon hammer you for confirmation of their scum role PM would be all nice, unvote please.

We can lynch scum today.

Spring's wagon had 3, so if you went back there and we switched, it'd be 4.
Alternatively, the Titus wagon has 4 still.

One of those getting lynched today would be the best.

Sure I guess. But if my lynch would secure 3 scum reads then I am ready to get lynched for it.

Vote: SpringStarFlower

[ZZZX]

So what read do you have on Thor and on me then?

Been to busy trying not to get lynched to try to iso you.

[ZZZX]

I am still figuring Thor out, it always takes me a while and looking forward to PN clarifying the slot since Nacho had to bow out and there was jack nothing on his slot when he had it which concerns me since usually I can peg Nacho.

I am not as convinced as you are that Jon is scum though. I have gotten him mislynched in the past because of his lurky loo behavior.



PEDIT that was to Necro and his blanket everyone is poison on the ZZZK wagon.

Rach you played many games with me in the past with 3(?) of them finished. How is my play here differant than say... 333? Leading and asking questions is how I did that game and how I got that game won. I gave no read list there as noone asked to and still ended up nailing BOTH scum and wining the night game. I expected you to read me right too but somehow you are just going with the Naked Oppurtanistic Voters,,, :<

[ZZZX]

Also not sure if TheNecro is very smart or just Whiteknighting like a boss LOL

[ZZZX]

LOL yeah I get heebie jeebies when I see a person pushing so hard that so and so is TOWN all you of he (or she) is TOWN and you all should just shut up and LISTEN

If you trust he is whiteknighting why arent you voting me?

[ZZZX]

are* damn typos/

[ZZZX]

fine I will unvote

UNVOTE:


Still not convinced on Jon being scum though....

What about Starflower?

[ZZZX]

@Mastin - I would like to just talk to you about a core issue of your defense of ZZZX.

You noted how he posted the same comment in all ongoing games (presumably as a boilerplate copy/paste as he went on v/la - I do the same thing)
In this copy/paste he claimed that he had reads partly written up that would be shared.
Now...I'm just going to go out on a limb...how true do you think that is? That in every game he had this theory partly written reads wall thing?
I don't think he had that in every game, it doesn't seem likely.

However, when asked about it in this game - it was lost in a odd and unusual computer glitch/error/what have you.
Because he really had it...

I don't buy that. It was a boiler plate thing, but he defended the situation as real, when there was no particular need to except to seem credible.
That's where I'm at.

i cant talk about ongoing but lets say about games completed in that time. if i did that action in all my finished games and this it is NOT allignment inducative is it?

[ZZZX]

@Rach get better soon!

[ZZZX]

i cant talk about ongoing but lets say about games completed in that time. if i did that action in all my finished games and this it is NOT allignment inducative is it?

My point is that it *is* because in this game you then claimed that what you said was real. If you had initially told us 'there is no read's list, I was just copy/pasta' then I would not still be so excited by the idea of seeing you dead. But you claimed there was a list, and then that the list had been consumed, which to the best of my detective work didn't happen to anything else.

Consequently, I want to lengthen your neck.

Sadly this game's list wasnt the only one consumed. (talking about games that finished)

Your arguement is invalid

[ZZZX]

Huh, thor what games of his completed in that time so we can actually talk about them. And in those games did anyone call him enough to force a readslist?

I am pretty sure it happened.

in 350 I did the same without thoughts to jester play. When I lost the list I decided that ignoring thier requests and not posting an excuse will make them lynch me

Guess it did.

[ZZZX]

Anything other than micro 350?

I finished Medical Mafia 333 micro but I didnt have to give a read list.

[ZZZX]

zzzx here isn't reminding me of town medical mafia zzzx but that might just be because of how i've completely lost the thread here

why is dry fit wagon gone. is the metal sonic wagon a policy lynch. if it is i'm pretty sure there are better policy lynches (see: necromancers)

[doublade]

in 333 town decided to obv town me and trust me.

Here they are crying about read list and stuff like that. Which is sad.

[ZZZX]

i cant talk about ongoing but lets say about games completed in that time. if i did that action in all my finished games and this it is NOT allignment inducative is it?

My point is that it *is* because in this game you then claimed that what you said was real. If you had initially told us 'there is no read's list, I was just copy/pasta' then I would not still be so excited by the idea of seeing you dead. But you claimed there was a list, and then that the list had been consumed, which to the best of my detective work didn't happen to anything else.

Consequently, I want to lengthen your neck.

Sadly this game's list wasnt the only one consumed. (talking about games that finished)

Your arguement is invalid

No. Thor's argument is absolutely valid. You are saying his argument is not sound.

Thor's argument is that

If you were lying about having a readslist, then you are scum.

You are claiming to have told the truth.

That would make Thor's claim unsound. I do feel that if his premise is true, then his conclusion must be. That makes it a valid argument.

The fact you are working to hard to attack Thor with arguments that are not logically valid due to definitional inconsistencies makes me feel even more confident in my vote here.

We already spent 4 ***ing pages talking about this

TL;DR: I do what I please in all my *finished* games and this one. it is Not allignment inducative

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

I just proved I did the same thing at the same time in another game where I wasnt scum.

Proving that my case is totally freaking valid. What is invalid in it?

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

I just proved I did the same thing at the same time in another game where I wasnt scum.

Proving that my case is totally freaking valid. What is invalid in it?

scum slip?

My case on being innocent...

Cant people read either...
?

[ZZZX]

As in.

Your case on me is invalid.

SO my case on my self of being innocent is valid.

[ZZZX]

so i'm still on page 10 of this thread. forgive me for not noticing a case of innocence.
but are you self metaing? i don't like self meta.

pedit: i feel lost

I dont self meta unless I am being pressured to do so to prove how an action is real and not just an excuse I made up for this game (the reason I couldnt get the readlist here)

[ZZZX]

Huh, thor what games of his completed in that time so we can actually talk about them. And in those games did anyone call him enough to force a readslist?

Allow me to answer this way.

He posted that in multiple games.
I think it is pretty obviously a lie, and that's fine.
I think a town him would have been more comfortable admitting that.
He has consistently denied that this is the case, and instead had a computer somehow eat his readslist from this game, but not other stuff.

So - if he's tellin gthe truth then in multiple games he has made a partial reads list.
In a game where he was a jester and a this game his computer apparently ate them.

You may look at other theoretical games as you will, I cannot talk about any others if they exist in the theory concept of 'other games'.

But I don't think it feels legit.

In theory all other lists were made up in the spot and called out on that. I guess I cant make all lists for *completed* games in the same time can I? which is why I said I will make it later. then

SURPRISE YOU HAVE 8 votes!

Do I look like having time to make a list when about to get lynched?

[ZZZX]

isn't that the best time to make a read list?

Maybe soon as its ramadan where I live for us... You can google that if you want.

you can expect one in a few days when I feel like it. Too many ingoing games and I am modding a game off-site to make a GOOD list to post.

Or I can just make up a shitty list in 10 minutes but we dont want that do we?

[ZZZX]

isn't that the best time to make a read list?

Maybe soon as its ramadan where I live for us... You can google that if you want.

you can expect one in a few days when I feel like it. Too many ingoing games and I am modding a game off-site to make a GOOD list to post.

Or I can just make up a shitty list in 10 minutes but we dont want that do we?

Do your 10 minute shitty list, finish 2071, and if need be, come back in a few days and make a GOOD one.

Doesnt 2071 cover nearly everyone but 4 players?

[ZZZX]

isn't that the best time to make a read list?

Maybe soon as its ramadan where I live for us... You can google that if you want.

you can expect one in a few days when I feel like it. Too many ingoing games and I am modding a game off-site to make a GOOD list to post.

Or I can just make up a shitty list in 10 minutes but we dont want that do we?

Do your 10 minute shitty list, finish 2071, and if need be, come back in a few days and make a GOOD one.

Doesnt 2071 cover nearly everyone but 4 players?

8
MafiaSSK : TBC
Thor665 :TBC
Jon_h61 :TBC
Xayzeck :TBC
The Necromancers : I hate this post not a read (TBC)
Titus : TBC
Jordan_Downey :TBC
RachMarie : TBC

a quick one:
MafiaSSK ; TBC (I cant iso from phone)
Thor665 : Leaning Scum
Jon_h61 : Leaning Scum
Xayzeck : Leaning Scum
The Necromancers : I have no freaking idea.
titus : leaning town
jordan downey : Slight lean town
Rachmarie : Town

[ZZZX]

I feel your attitude is tepid. You are extroverting emotions, but I do not believe they are reflected by your in-game acts.

When I have rage that people are ignoring scum - I am constantly talkign about the scum (and voting them) you are doing neither with Doublade.
I have discussed the issue with Xay - I still stand by the opinion that your defense felt weird. Also, if bad cases were all going to be attacked, you should not have time for anything else.
You also are focusing oddly on a weird slap fight with Mastin, complaining that they aren't listening, when, frankly, neither of you appear to be talking with each other - you are both talking at each other. I find it equally poor on both fronts, but don't get any more drive from you in that than I do from Mastin.

You also just sort of drifted onto the ZZZX vote. I am happy to have the support there, I will admit, but it's not like I feel you are excited by this wagon, it feels more like you're simply on it.

I did vote Doublade. I'm still saying Doublade is scum. However, I wasn't going to get a Doublade lynch. You yourself have said that players need to be closing the wagons. I took the initiative to do that. I am talking about Doublade but I feel like I might as well be talking to a brick wall. I put a case. People say it sucks. No reason why. I ask people defending Doublade, like Mastin, to say why Doublade is town or produce any content. I get nothing. So yeah, at some point I have to move over to get a lynch at all. Am I happy about it? Hell no.

I am trying to talk to Mastin. I'm using pretty much the same tone with both Mastin and Antihero but only Antihero seems to be responding. Mastin just says LOL! Nope Scum. That's not a conversation. That's a tape recorded message on loop.

The criticism on the ZZZX wagon is valid. It's not my favorite. I'd rather be voting for Doublade or Xay. Yet, those aren't going anywhere and we need a lynch. If a Doublade or Xay wagon sprung up fast, I'd be all over those.

Well can I ask you a question my friend?


How the fuck is the case on me valid if I explained and proved that it is invalid?

General things scum do case become invalid if proven that town-same person in the same time. Did the same thing. It becomes more of a null-read

Now say it in my face. You think that me not giving a readlist while doing the same in a town game in the same period is a scum-tell

SAY IT.

[ZZZX]

I have been giving alot of effort to protect my self. SS is using a defence of "Im OBV TOWN CLEAR IC HUR DUR" And yet you guys go @ me for not giving a list (which I did but it wasnt complete?) and ... I did the same in my completed town games? Am I wrong? This is clearly scum lead.

[ZZZX]

I have been giving alot of effort to protect my self. SS is using a defence of "Im OBV TOWN CLEAR IC HUR DUR" And yet you guys go @ me for not giving a list (which I did but it wasnt complete?) and ... I did the same in my completed town games? Am I wrong? This is clearly scum lead.

ZZZX is still survivalist and disgusting. Lynch him.

Like, you know how back in elementary school, your teachers would tell you to "show, not tell" in your writing?? Do that instead, please. I would vote him, but I'm already voting him.

[caled]

Well I guess I learned english mostly by myself since our schools here hardly teach any english. And no I think my english is fine to some degree.

ZZZX, I think you are not using the word valid correctly. A valid case is one that if it the premises are true then the conclusion is true. Thor's argument is valid.

If you lied about having reads, you are probably scum.

I don't think anyone debates that theory.

The debate comes from arguing whether or not you were lying. The evidence of you possibly doing something in a town game is relevant but not determinative in determining soundness.

Soundness is up for debate. I am sympathetic bc of what happened to me at the earlier point but I am not a fan of your reactions.

Thank you for explination. Point taken.

[ZZZX]

Seeing the part where you've tried gambits, and keep attempting to pull more since your wagon is on the rise...

the fact is that there is a 100% chance that I flip town.

the odds are so good that i would bet my house on it

This defence tactic sucks. Just so you know.

[ZZZX]

you are scum. just so i know

Well we will see after this game ends. Deal?

[ZZZX]

Someone is late to the party it seems.

[ZZZX]

Ok I was wrong about MS but it cant help that he was playing so anti town (that he even claimed so after being lynched to avoid black listing)

I love how thor is like still playing blindly and votes without expinations. I will need to re-read this game so we can try and catch scum for real this time.

P-edit: What Scummy thing I did?

[ZZZX]

I'm ready to admit I'm probably wrong about ZZX. I had an early townread on him and let that cloud my judgement about him despite the scummy things he did yesterday.
VOTE: ZZZX

I'm amazed Saki hasn't been a major wagon in this game.

Guys tell me you dont see this post coming from town....
Because its clearly coming from scum... lol

I love how you give useless unconvincing reason just to jump on my wagon. Basically what a scum team would coordinate to do to cause a mislynch. Best of all that there is no case

that has been proved

what so ever yet.


The next vote will have to have a reason for a vote on me . Also since one of my ingoings ended (that has me playing as scum) feel free to check it. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57073 I also had an inactivity there and explained after game and in deadthread ages ago how it was a personal issue.

[ZZZX]

Ok I was wrong about MS but it cant help that he was playing so anti town (that he even claimed so after being lynched to avoid black listing)

I love how thor is like still playing blindly and votes without expinations. I will need to re-read this game so we can try and catch scum for real this time.

P-edit: What Scummy thing I did?

This post implies you weren't trying to catch scum before....

I believed I caught first scum but I was wrong. However I am not so sure of my other minor reads.

[ZZZX]

Pretty much. Starflower knew they were being anti-town. I agree with that. Asking for what he's being accused of makes sense.

Try to catch scum for real does imply that. Why would someone be faking trying to catch scum before? A town response would be to say maybe we'll catch scum this time.

Try to catch scum for real means that we end up catching scum .

Not sure how else I would say it thou. Prob cus my engrish sux

[ZZZX]

@Titus - I read it as 'I thought we caught scum, but I was wrong because Spring flipped town - now let's do it for real' Also, that would be beyond a bone headed thing to say if he was saying what you are saying you thought he said. I don't even get being quiet about it.

@ZZZX - I'll take the duck of my question as 'nope, nothing, I was just trying to deflect the wagon a bit without having to put in any work'

I have been scum reading SS since the middle of the day before any wagon caught up to me and was voting him since then. Your Arguement is invalid.. again.

So got any freaking real reason of why I am scum?

No? Didnt expect you do.

[ZZZX]

Thor, most slips, if that's what it was, are not intentional. I have my doubts...hence the weaker language.

@ZZZK, remove the word try from that post and it conveys the same thing.

Mod: So tired...what is a deflector? Also my tracking the kill polarities would possibly determine polarities of killers possibly. So please add polarities of victims to the first post.

Try implys that I will attempt to catch scum as its not guarenteed

[ZZZX]

Of course Nero's iso is crap.

Starting to get that cool sensation of sitting naked on top of an igloo while scum pours ice on me while eating a peppermint patty while Spring becomes the counterwagon to scum-ZZZX who was the counterwagon to scum-Titus.

I think the vig shot Nero because Nero was setting up to claim vig. Best counterclaim ever.

Vote: ZZZX

Also on the lynchlist for today: Titus.

Let's see who else we can add.

1- you didnt bold it.

2- so town-ZZZX would eat the lynch without creating a countwagon on his biggest scum read since the start? Even when the scum read himself says his play was shitty and that he deserved it? MUANY LOGIC ARE BROKEN (This engrish is intentional)

[ZZZX]

Of course Nero's iso is crap.

Starting to get that cool sensation of sitting naked on top of an igloo while scum pours ice on me while eating a peppermint patty while Spring becomes the counterwagon to scum-ZZZX who was the counterwagon to scum-Titus.

I think the vig shot Nero because Nero was setting up to claim vig. Best counterclaim ever.

Vote: ZZZX

Also on the lynchlist for today: Titus.

Let's see who else we can add.

1- you didnt bold it.

2- so town-ZZZX would eat the lynch without creating a countwagon on his biggest scum read since the start? Even when the scum read himself says his play was shitty and that he deserved it? MUANY LOGIC ARE BROKEN (This engrish is intentional)

1- Corrected 2613
2- ZZZX of either alignment would join a counterwagon to himself. You joined the Spring (flipped town) counterwagon.

Well you deny that even Spring said that his play was scummy and I was right for suspecting him?

[ZZZX]

Of course Nero's iso is crap.

Starting to get that cool sensation of sitting naked on top of an igloo while scum pours ice on me while eating a peppermint patty while Spring becomes the counterwagon to scum-ZZZX who was the counterwagon to scum-Titus.

I think the vig shot Nero because Nero was setting up to claim vig. Best counterclaim ever.

Vote: ZZZX

Also on the lynchlist for today: Titus.

Let's see who else we can add.

1- you didnt bold it.

2- so town-ZZZX would eat the lynch without creating a countwagon on his biggest scum read since the start? Even when the scum read himself says his play was shitty and that he deserved it? MUANY LOGIC ARE BROKEN (This engrish is intentional)

1- Corrected 2613
2- ZZZX of either alignment would join a counterwagon to himself. You joined the Spring (flipped town) counterwagon.

Well you deny that even Spring said that his play was scummy and I was right for suspecting him?

I will confess that you formed your Spring=scum read from page 24 (meta=not town-Sonic) and held onto it until his death a few pages ago. Spring called himself scummy.

Now that I have confirmed those two things, you still do not look town.

I -in no way- look scum either.

PV you know me better than this. Is this my scum play?

For anyone wanting a recent game Newbie 1510 just ended and I was scum there

[ZZZX]

The next vote will have to have a reason for a vote on me

How about you talk us through how you lost that reads list you promised us you had. You promised it to us even before the blanket post you made. What program did you use? Where were you saving it?

In theory all other lists were made up in the spot and called out on that. I guess I cant make all lists for *completed* games in the same time can I

This is time stamped July 2nd, 4:41 pm. He's explaining to Thor about his reads list.

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real! I got a full readlist nearly ready in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

June 24 9:56 am

Readlist coming after either 1 hour if I can finish the new one in that time of 5 hours where I will be home.

June 27 1:48 am
This is the one thing that makes me doubt my scum read. He mentions making a

new

list before saying in thread that "his dog ate his homework".

@ ZZZX If you want me to Town read you, what program did you put your list in? Exactly when (not time, but like, when you first woke up, or whatever) did you realize it was gone? Did you take any steps to try to recover it?

Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.

This is him trying to get a now confirmed Townie strung up. Of course, there's been a lot of that going around. And I did read your explanation.

Well here is my answer and @ all who call that a good case

About the readlist? As I said a few pages ago

Fuck the Readlist I aint doing that shit cus I dont want to and its not allignment inducative. And You all use the same playstyle when I proved that it is untrue you still go like. But BUt ZZZX the LIST! THE LIST! I know you said its not allignment inducative and thats true but THE LIST AHHH PWWW CHEEEEEE

[ZZZX]

Vote ZZZX

Jon laid out a pretty good case.

[ZZZX]

I'm amazed Saki hasn't been a major wagon in this game.

Saki gets away with it, I'm guessing by doing this as both Town and scum. My last game with him, I rode him hard, thinking he was scum, but he was Town. I read both his Town and scum games trying to figure him out, but he plays this way consistently. Go meta him, to see for yourself. Of course, this was quite a while ago. But I doubt he's changed up his play, after seeing this game.

If his wagon ever takes off, and if none of my scum reads had viable wagons going on, I'd vote him.

@ZZZX Wouldn't it be more in Town's best interest if you answered my questions. Hell, who knows, you might make a staunch supporter or two, if you'd take the time to respond truthfully. (if you're Town)

VOTE: ZZZX

Not liking Aegor's push on me. He just says my posts are bad but doesn't give any reason to think they're scum motivated.

@ Dry Fit You've expressed a desire for my head a few times, posts 1986, and 2232, but that was all.

What

makes you feel that way? Our Town's starting to get a little thin, so we need to be a little more careful with votes now, than we were earlier in the game.

I see no question I didnt answer to, Where is your question? If its about the read list then yes I didnt complete it and i wont complete it for now. I dont feel like spending an hour isoing and writing a readlist.

[ZZZX]

My wagon is made of scum and is scum driven.


I dont have much to say but any sane town will know for sure that I am town by now. Anyone else well... good luck

[ZZZX]

I would submit your inability to accredit the action to a scum mindset is pretty much all the effort I need to produce in order to show the value of your case.

i'm pretty sure i actually did.

and all other assumptions of a town mindset are just that- assumptions, in order for me to try and figure out the likelihood that those town mindsets are even possible.

just because i chose to evaluate your actions from a potential town mindset doesn't mean i can only see it as town.

it just means i chose to use the "these are the reasons why thor would do this as town and they ultimately don't make sense at all compared to the simple explanation that he's scum" approach rather than the "keep giving the simple explanation that he's scum while ignoring potential town mindsets" approach.

or in other words, i went through the scenarios of town-you doing that, ruled them out, and came to you being scum through

process of elimination

.

ftr i'm not unvoting.

[marquis]

Marquis town posting here.

[ZZZX]

Lets take my wagon and decompose it:

ZZZX (5): Thor665, Dry-fit, Eddie Fenix, Jon_h61, Xayzeck

Thor665: Never played with him - Townish with really naive posting and bad logic
Dry-fit: Never played with him Scummish
Eddie Fenix: Never played with him Idk
Jon_h61: Never played with him Scummish
Xayzeck: Playing with him/played with him in a finished game. Afaik its the latter but I wont comment about his meta until I am sure. Really Scum Stuff... I dont even know if he is scum or just trolling town.

Let me apply pressure to help know it.

Vote Xayzeck

interesting facts about my wagon:
Its mostly made up from people who dont know my playstyle
Its not made of a case
People who know me are not voting me.
Made by people known to be scummy be everyone
Clearly a mislynch.

[ZZZX]

@ ZZZX I accidentally made a

huge

wall out of your ISO, it's ready to be posted, but it's pretty big. This snip is the last part of it, and hopefully if I get what I want, I won't need to post the whole thing.

This here would go a long way to proving you're Town.

interesting facts about my wagon:

1

Its mostly made up from people who dont know my playstyle

2

Its not made of a case

3

People who know me are not voting me.

4

Made by people known to be scummy be everyone

5

Clearly a mislynch.

1

I'm one of those who don't know you, but what exactly does not knowing your play style have to do with me (and others in this category) scum reading you. My read has nothing to do with play style. It came from your actions in game.

2

Several of us think it's a case, instead of trying to shut us down, you'd been better off explaining things better, and a word of advice, try not to let games blend together in your mind. I've a sneaking suspicion that's what started this whole mess.

3

Can you name names to prove it?

4

This sounds like posturing, and if you actually believed it, wouldn't it be better to spend more energy trying to show "those that know you" that you're right in scum reading "people known to be scummy be everyone"?

5

Only a flip, at this moment, is proof that it's a mis-lynch.

@ Titus Doublade is next, I doubt I can not turn it into a wall. I'll try to make a clear and concise tl/dr to go with it. First I need to catch up on unread posts.

1- The things you considered scummy are basically playstyle meta of myself. Thus many of people who played with me didnt vote me since they know its not allignment inducative
2- The case on me is that I didnt give playlist. I had 2 flipped finished games where I promised readlists and didnt give them (or gave half of them). I was town once and scum once. So basically I proved how genuin my no-readlist issue is but i got ignored. The sad part is that I made a readlist in the end but had a few players missing
3- Name names of... what?
4- Xay has a wagon. a few others caught a wagon and now town is thinking which one is better to be wagoned.
5- Re-write that since I didnt get it.

[ZZZX]

THere is a Saki?!

[ZZZX]

a Saki wagon if fine if it will push himt o post.

Vote Saki

[ZZZX]

why are we derailing

and switching to a saki wagon

why

Because the ZZZX wagon is dumb and made of scum.

[ZZZX]

@ Xayzeck What's wrong with a Saki wagon? Has he done anything you think is particularly Town? If his wagon grows enough that it looks like it'll go through, I'd be willing to help push it through.

IF

none of my scum reads look to be strung up.

@ ZZZX I'm going to assume you don't particularly care if I scum read you. You haven't done much to shake my belief that you're scum. I know you're tired of the reads list question, so, how about you just give us your top two scum reads, with reasons. For clarities' sake, you say everyone is scum reading you because you didn't make the promised read list. That's simplifying the issue and ignoring the main points

I'm

seeing that makes me think you're scum.

May I engage in a little setup speculation? In my role PM it does say, until all anti-Town factions. With two NKs last Night, that tells me there's at least one scum team, duh, with a possibility of a SK, Vig, or another scum team. The bad thing is, we have to start hitting

any

scum before we get any facts toward my speculation. My main worry is, how long do we have (in Days) before we have to start worrying about LYLO? If it's one big scum team, say of five or six slots, we may only have a Day or two before we enter the danger zone!

@ Titus Still ongoing with the Doublade read. The reason it's taking so long is because Marquis has been right on flips so far, and I find myself agreeing with a lot of her posts. What, beside wanting Bulba to hurry up and close the thread, should I be looking for?

Deb is pushing toward the door, she wants fish for dinner tonight, and some crappie does sound good! If we catch enough, I'll invite you all over for a fish fry. Wish me luck!!!

You asked me questions and I answered them. I am still not seeing your reason for scum-reading me.

Can you lay it out in a nice simple way that I can understand?

Anyway let me give you the general things I am sure of

doblade is marquis. prob town.
Xay is leaning scum even thou I saw him do weird plays as town but I am not so sure of how forced it is this game
Saki is... saki which makes it impossible to read him. -Best lynch for today
Skot feels town
idk about you
titus... I cant read titus even if I sticked my nose to my screen for eternity
PV is... surprisingly quiet
PN is... playing weirdish
RachMarie feels like Micro 333 Rach

[ZZZX]

Town

[ZZZX]

I'm calling so many people scum it's not even funny

Now it's time for my wagon to pick up again for nailing these reads hard

jk

this post is so bad I am crying

[ZZZX]

this game has people with no reasoning chasing me...

well.. it is kinda interesting lil bit.

[ZZZX]

I still don't see why titus is scum. Can someone elaborate?

[ZZZX]

*interesting crickets*

Hm? Care to tell me why you are scum read?

I still don't get it >.<

[ZZZX]

I don't either. Skot just asked me to make it interesting. So I made the sound of norhing (crickets) interesting.

That is... interesting?

[ZZZX]

Maybe. ZZX what are your thoughts on Doublade?

At first I thought he is just classic marquis but he feels really off... like not how town marquis would really play.

Not sure yet thou. so slightly leaning scum.

[ZZZX]

mew

lynch him alrdy.

[ZZZX]

Saki is alive.

But his old av. was kewler

[ZZZX]

jon likes all popular wagons


appurtanisitv indeed . (spe''ed it wrong)

[ZZZX]

non clear meta is good magia pkay that is clearly null

[ZZZX]

@Titus - hop on ZZX, it is barely a smaller wagon than your current one. I bet we can get a speed wagon on ZZX.

SO fucking scummy post.

Vote Thor665

Anyone who believes I am scum is playing bad and should feel bad. ....

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZX

Thor's town... and we got scum jumping on him.

Vote me. You know I am town but hopping on a clear mislynch. ISNT THIS MY FUCKING TOWN META THAT I ALWAYS USE? I feel really fucking annoyed by how bad people hop on mislynches .

[ZZZX]

Its kinda obv that the only 2 games we played that were finished you sum read me and I flipped town forthe same reasons.

I defended myself for 2 days and I am tired and cant take it anymore. I will just lurk until the wagon on me defuses. I get lynched? EVEN FUCKING BETTER I get less headache from this playerlist's playstyle


While Iam at it I am light-locked VT. Nothing more to say.

[ZZZX]

MEOW

I am here dancin Dancin

I am really enjoyin Dancin

Cus freaking scum is gankin gankin.

Town is so bad it makes me chantin chantin

I dont even give a craplin Craplin

[ZZZX]

I guess I've done that before too though, feeling the weight shift toward you at the end of a stagnant day when you thought you were safe is pretty rage inducing as scum.

Yes because as a town I wouldnt care being lynched like. What bad in getting lynched?

-Scarfuckingsam

also pretty safe what? This has been going since day 1 and I am seeing me surviving and getting lynched at lylo for the lose so I will go ahead and give my self a fucking rest

ZZZX

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZZX

[ZZZX]

Thor, quick, why is titus town?

I would counter with 'why is Titus scum'?

From my perspective Titus' logic isn't logic that feels like she's lying about it. You can argue it's bad...but that doesn't matter, town use bad logic too, the question is whether it is scummy, and I don't really see that. Beyond that I haven't particularly felt much Titus defense energy, which I would associate with a scum Titus, and a lot of what she has said and claimed she has been able to functionally back up (as example - the survival vote meta thing). Eh, I feel like she's trying to solve things, and the case on her is one I still cannot describe - and usually I consider that a bad sign when pushing for a lynch.

Why does the sun set?

[ZZZX]

Why does the sun set?

Because of the rotation and orbits of celestial bodies from a fixed perspective.

No. -points for you

Why does the sun set?

Because of the rotation and orbits of celestial bodies from a fixed perspective.

So because I tunnel, I KNEW it.

Yes your tunneling turned me into IDGAF MODE pretty much. so you can lynch me if you feel like it as I am just a VT so it doesnt matter anymore.

[ZZZX]

I wasn't even tunnelling you... why were you so divested?

Because 5 people have been tunneling me since day 2. I CANT FUCKING TAKE IT ANY MORE.

[ZZZX]

ANd good part is that NOONE OF THEM EVEN HAS A FUCKING REASON