Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xayzeck]

ALL THE PEOPLE

THAT I DON'T KNOW

ARGHHHH

VOTE: NACHO

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: saki

yolo

[Xayzeck]

u hurt my self esteem

[Xayzeck]

Mastin's scum.

VOTE: TheNecro

I feel the same

But it could be my omgus speaking

I think townmastin would be more confident in her(his?) Reads even at this game stage

[Xayzeck]

Wishywashy because I have to im afraid

[Xayzeck]

Nope I wasnt baiting

But thatd be a good excuse wouldn't it

But im rather surprised people calling that scummy, because that one post isnt that bad?

But eh not too concerned about the votes~

Those wanting pls id say are town

Jingle are you pushing me or protecting me

[Xayzeck]

I think it takes scum big balls to declare pl on every hydra in the game

Doncha think

[Xayzeck]

i don't think mastin is town

and i think jordan is town

i'm quite liking the idea of mastin and tmct being scum together

i'll join the bigger wagon tyvm

VOTE: TMCT

[Xayzeck]

Mastin's town. My vote switches to
VOTE: Jordan

if you could elaborate that'd be splendid

[Xayzeck]

I endorse this statement. Except substitute Antihero for mastin, as I felt Anti's been sorta - trying too hard? I dunno. And had a 'one raised eyebrow' read on mastin primarily for not understanding/agreeing with the early reads, then Anti clarified that they're a hydra. So yeah leaning scum until there's a reason not to.

Don't mind Xayxek for town either. You can be town leaning too.

So.. Things are coming together.

Nati, who's Bart?

Saki, Sakura (et al) - Hi! You guys town?

mhm anti hasn't been good

also the way TMCT hopped onto my wagon, being all awkward and RVS-toney and what not bugs me too

[Xayzeck]

Post 48 is a scum post, and deserves votes VOTE: TMCT

hmmmmm i don't get it?

[Xayzeck]

I am gonna say that Xay is an easy lynch. He's getting better, but he's not on the same level as mastin yet. And mastin knows that.

any reason this is relevant? it's not like we're 1v1ing or anything, so i feel a little uncomfortable you're phrasing it like we are

[Xayzeck]

people in my lynchpool right now: Necro, TMCT, Fear

They are all independently scum with their own reasons, but I can see Necro/TMCT being a thing pretty easily too.

[Xayzeck]

hey

TSO

i see you posting elsewhere

u scum again?

[Xayzeck]

inconsistently?

i've called you scum with mastin/necro all the way

[Xayzeck]

Care to explain your reasons?

Necro: For Anti's posts
TMCT: I think i've explained this briefly
Fear: Look at his ISO and that should explain itself

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Xayzeck

I never said I had a meta basis for my read on TMCT.

Also, mastin's scum.

I never said you did either?

What does voting me have to do with your reads?

[Xayzeck]

Caught up. Curious vote still makes me the happy.

this feels lazy

[Xayzeck]

That naked vote on sharpest knife is the scummiest thing in the game so far. Naked votes come more often from scum in my experience and Saki picked a bad target.

This has to be one of the worst reasons ever for voting. naked votes=/=scum at all, even in general

Xay I just can't really see where he's coming from in his posts.

from the town way

Those are my observations after a half-assed quick readthrough.

attempt to justify bad reads before the flak comes in

me no likey

[Xayzeck]

Jingle are you pushing me or protecting me

What are you thinking of?

I'm wondering if he's protecting me or pushing me because he's done a bit of both and it's confusing

i'm quite liking the idea of mastin and tmct being scum together

What do you see as connecting them?

tmct jumping on the wagon that necro started

and something else I can't quite remember. probably an interaction that they had but maybe it's just the wagon thing

hmmmmm i don't get it?

Complaining about someone voting the person who you are voting. It's on like Donkey Kong.

hmmmm i don't get it? what's wrong about questioning other people's reads, regardless of whether I share them or not?

[Xayzeck]

yeah, everything you'd said up to this point has been about

mastin

and now it's because of

my

posts?

because i didn't know your slot name previously

and i just referred to the slot as mastin instead of mastin/anti because that's harder to type

[Xayzeck]

yeah, everything you'd said up to this point has been about

mastin

and now it's because of

my

posts?

are you really going to push the fact I called your slot mastin and how it doesn't add up?

because thinking about it now that's dumb

[Xayzeck]

oh wait no, you just opportunistically waited for talah to say something.

that's right.

and now you've just lost me

[Xayzeck]

why would I explain why I called your slot mastin

because I surely don't know myself

If I did explain it, that would be making up a reason to cover myself from pressure that isn't even alignment indicative

but that doesn't seem to be your problem, so:
I had initial problems with mastin
I had further problems with you
I continued to call your slot mastin because I was too lazy to find out hydra name

Any problems you have with that? Because since then I've been mostly referring to your slot as Necro instead of mastin/hero

[Xayzeck]

biggest problem I have with this push is that's it's stupid, and doesn't show how I could be scum or town

[Xayzeck]

what it boils down to: you initially "didn't like" mastin because of confidence of reads (lol?) and now you've spent the last 7 pages just heaping a pile of unexplained nothing on top of it

i'm developing a read on your slot now

and right now it's not looking good

[Xayzeck]

your stupid push chicken comes before my "stupid push" egg.

"your push was shit therefore my push can be shit too and you can't say anything about it because you make equally shit posts"

that is not town.

[Xayzeck]

yeah, everything you've done is retroactive

that is not town.

general

narrative building

[Xayzeck]

also i finally have a decent scumread ty <3 <3 <3

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry-fit

thoughts on mastin/anti?

UNVOTE: TMCT
VOTE: Necro

[Xayzeck]

also i finally have a decent scumread ty <3 <3 <3

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry-fit

yeah I do want you to scumread them, but I'm not going to force it on you.

it was also an attempt to start interacting with you so I can read you, and what a lovely response.

I don't think it's alignment indicative that Flay hasn't gotten their hydra up, and I don't think posting separately really affects their reads.

If anything, I love it, because then I actually know who is talking.

But lovely response, you're probably town

[Xayzeck]

pedit thanks for the compliment??????? this is kind of like biting the horse that feeds you but i actually don't like you saying "i'm not going to force it on you". maybe it just sounds too nice idk (like a weak form of buddying idk idk idk), which really sucks because i want to take it at face value.

Well, I asked for your thoughts on a slot, and I got back much more than I expected. Even I didn't think that them posting separately could be alignment indicative response, so I would say it not only helped with my read on you but also my read on necro

and yes, I still scumread them. It's kinda like how Bert and notty don't sign so I never know who's talking when i'm playing with Tunnelmates, because they both type the same way.

[Xayzeck]

if you would speak english that would be nice Tiphaine

if you're saying I jumped onto Necro wagon because TMCT wagon wasn't picking up speed but Necro wagon was

then you'd be absolutely right

[Xayzeck]

do you like me?

[Xayzeck]

is this ms?

hi ms

[Xayzeck]

Bulba could you maybe pm TSO and Nacho and tell them the game has started? I don't think they know D1 Polarity PM was daystart pm

[Xayzeck]

I suddenly miss zzzx.

Zzzx are you here? Are you town? Help me keep sane.

wow i said hi to you

and you look for someone else?

that's horrendously rude

[Xayzeck]

o i didnt see that. hi xayzeck!

i dont really know you o.o

i just know we share countries

that's good enough reason for me to start a conversation

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: jordan downey

sheeping mastin until i can find my own independent scumread.

dryfit is scummy too

jordan though i think is town

[Xayzeck]

Jordan still looks like scum.
I explained why talah looks like scum.

can you explain why jordan looks scum? or did I miss it?

[Xayzeck]

Your random mudflinging against people on your wagon has been filed away under "scumtells" TM.

except i do this more often as town than scum

you should check out me scum meta maybe, because I personally think my town and scumplay contrast a lot, and isn't that hard to tell them apart

and yes, I usually end up pushing those who push me to be scum, but of course there are exceptions

do you have problems with it though?

[Xayzeck]

As a rule I don't use meta Xayzeck, I find it a slippery slope.

People asking to be meta'ed also bugs me, though I'm not sure whether that's really a scumtell or just a personal peeve.

Xayzeck, go ahead and define omgus for me, I'm curious what you think it means.

because my scumgames are completely different from my towngames and i like being townread as town
exactly what I do whenever I get scumread because i'm always obvtown to myself

this feels lazy

Why?

1. read the thread
2. sheep a rvs vote that actually could be used for a mislynch
3. don't explain why because you already voted and just say vote is good

at least sheep a case and not an rvs vote like yo

except i do this more often as town than scum but this time I'm doing it as scum to look town

Do to the logical extension of this argument into a mafia game, never use this excuse again.

This part depends. When you do this, do you catch a lot of town players? If so, don't do it.

overly aggressive if you ask me, of course it could just be because he's talking about me

but i can see pere being scum

[Xayzeck]

Though with Wis in the mix will definitely keep it leaning town for now till I see more.

wis hasn't been on in forever

i don't think there is a wis head yet

[Xayzeck]

i am flattered

but in terms of buddying you sound even worse than xayzeck

this makes me sad

it was called being polite

[Xayzeck]

necro wagons still looks good

fear is probtown, i don't like how he's ignoring so much in the interaction with necro, but i think that's more of a towntell

i also like everyone on the necro wagon

[Xayzeck]

Im town
I think someone is scum
Someone else thinks that same someone is scum
Therefore they must be town too

Lol

[Xayzeck]

I'll get home in a few hours and maybe ill give a serious response

[Xayzeck]

Yeah I know what a bus is

I just don't think anyone is bussing?

And no that was legit what I was thinking when I said I liked those on necro wagon

[Xayzeck]

xay's posts to me have a tone of trying to sort things out and sharing opinions

*looks at 461*

But I appreciate the compliment nonetheless

[Xayzeck]

Haha bulba I stole your top

[Xayzeck]

Nope, im admittedly more proper when scum

With the exception of Farmer's Market, but I replaced into mylo and it was fairly short

Meh, self meta doesnt mean much anyway

[Xayzeck]

#36 gives me my first scumread of the game in Xayzeck - I've seen him as both alignments and the OMGUS part doesn't fit with my memories of town-Xay.

I....don't recall playing with you as scum?

IIRC it's always been metown youscum?

first game being my first game, second game being the recent one with oka and kyndy

and like, when you attacked me in the latter, I just attacked you back, instead of reaching out to kyndy who didn't really do anything and just fencesat. aka i push those who push me, so it should fit your memories of town me

unless you can remind me of a game where you played with as scum(unless you mean you READ a game of mescum then okay then but that's not as reliable of a meta read) then i'm questioning how much bullshit you have in your read of me

[Xayzeck]

You don't seem to understand my accusation - the OMGUS portion of the post was tacked-on and unnatural.

because metaing and commenting on your own play is awkward and weird

i just did it because i know there are obv differences in my plays

[Xayzeck]

yo mastin

normalish micro just ended

so that "probably town, could be scum" thing that I had a problem with

was because in normalish you were like "town. town." and shit

yeah

[Xayzeck]

@tala case:
i don't think comparing activity in micros and activity in larges make for good meta cases

[Xayzeck]

strong scumread on Xayzeck.

My reads are going surprisingly well.

i beg to differ

[Xayzeck]

Why was this included at all? He's trying really hard to appear Town by putting this in and there's no need for it.

"This is my opinion, but I AM affected by biases as a true Town man!"

they call it being honest

Mastin would be confident of their reads on page 2? More confident than labeling players prob-town on page 1 for one post? Yeah, bullshit.

from my experience with her, yeah she had pretty confident reads early game.

What is this? Is it fake fear, fake paranoia? It's not a joke; it's too edgy to be a joke. It's this weird halfway house where you can't really tell what's going on and it feels really forced.

now if you actually fucking read my ISO i clarify this because my only other game with mastin was normalish micro, which was ongoing, and only just ended. That's why I couldn't explicitly say why I felt her not being confident in her early reads could be scummy.

False bravado when there's no need for it stinks of scum trying to seem nonchalant.

and notice how i still don't care about votes

but this shit case of yours though it's so bad I have to tell you it's bad so that I can get on with my life with a free concious

At post #112, the only interaction Xayzeck had with TMCT was where TMCT voted him. That was it, finito. At least he -had- thoughts about mastin, you could see where he was coming from with his suspicion if he voted him - but this is out of the blue. The only reason he's doing it is because the wagon is larger than mastin's. It's scummy that he's deciding to vote someone he's less sure of because their wagon is larger.

I never once said Necro was more likely scum than TMCT, so this entire thing is bullshit, except that I hardly interacted with TMCT. But me not interacting with someone and having a scumread on them, does reveal anything alignment indicative. Again, all bullshit.

This is such a horrible way to connect two players. Firstly, it's minimal as fuck - if anything, this is a disassociation, because scum don't just jump onto the wagons their partners form so blatantly. But secondly, it's very vague and gives him the benefit of the doubt whether an association actually ever existed or not if someone calls him out on it, while simultaneously giving the impression there was one.

I have said numerous times in the thread it was about the wagon hopping. The post you're talking about was me saying "the wagon hop and smth else, not sure if they was smth else tho could just be the wagon hop". So it pretty clearly states I connect the 2 for the wagon hop, I don't know what you're going on about in this quote because, once again, all bullshit.

It's not dumb at all when you knew the hydra's name was Necro, called mastin scummy and then said "Well, actually, you're mastin as well, y'see!" even though he specifically called the hydra Necro 80 posts previous to this one. It's you trying to pretend you were always calling Antihero scum and doing a bad job of it.

holy. fucking. shit. not this bullshit againg.
fucking, go to my iso, search for "Necro". The first time I actually fucking used Necro was 117
Not fucking search "mastin". Prior to 117 I refer to mastin as the player.
AFTER FUCKING 117 IT'S TO ADDRESS THIS BULLSHIT WITH ANTI.
holy shit.
this is the most useless thing in your entire case against me.
because it's so dumb.
FUCK.

This makes no fucking sense at all and doesn't explain or mitigate him calling Antihero mastin whatssever.

not alignment indicative.

Well, you blatantly lying in your response and then posting some intelligible trash points pretty clearly to you being scum, actually.

you should only expect bad responses from bad pushes

jk lame my response were perfectly fine and it just feels like you're reaching out for anything to paint me as scum at this point

Why not just say you think he's scummy? Why is this so elaborately worded as to give the impression that if you agree with him, his opinion can change to better horizons? It's so weaselly and underhanded!

HOLY SHIT REALLY

WHY CAN'T YOU GIVE ME LIKE AN ANIME MOMENT

WHERE I SAY SHIT ALL COOL

AND NOT CALL IT SCUMMY

THIS TOO IS FUCKING STUPID B FGJ VINFB VNSBGKNRCE

Translation: "I have my reads, but I feel no read to explain them or convince others of them, because I enjoy keeping my views to myself as Town ...wait, shit, that's not right!"

was being friendly because marquis gave me a long as wall that I was not expecting. like she brought up the fact that them not being a hydra may affect reads and shit, it was something I didn't think of. I felt her response was super town, especially since it felt super helpful

This is overly nice and buddy-ish, when he realises Doublade isn't fobbed off as easily as others.

was being friendly because of above

As opposed to what? Flay delaying the hydra set-up due to it rolling scum here?

now you're just quoting random shit and throwing suspicion all over it. It's getting irritating.

Marq says that them not being a hydra may affect reads.
I say it's not alignment indicative that Flay hasn't gotten their hydra set up AKA it's not their choice they aren't using their hydra, and whether or not their hydra is set up doesn't affect their alignment, so I don't understand why Marq thinks them not being a hydra may affect reads.
Marq clarifies with something I forgot

now that that is out of the way, I don't know what the fuck you're trying to get at with this quote

but if you manage to twist something alignment indicative out of this shit

i'm probably going to run myself into the fucking wall

He felt the need to post twice how great your response was and label you prob-town on one post. Twice. Tell me this rings alarm bells.

blurb

[Xayzeck]

i skimmed your post on my phone, and i honestly thought you were town for it

now that i'm on a computer and i've addressed everything

i'm starting to to think otherwise

because majority of the case is just

BEOUIRFHONLKFBN9AUIR

[Xayzeck]

Well, it depends, but right then, not much, I mean I was mainly just looking for something to push you on, but you've done it twice now. If you're honestly scum reading someone, why would you complain about people voting them? It's weird.

he voted because of 48 IIRC

so i went to check out the post

and I saw nothing alignment indicative whatsoever

i think it was less important to me that we shared scumreads, and more important to me that I should figure out what he was thinking, or what he saw so I could better understand his mindset

which is of course, how you figure out someone's alignment

now please fucking let this go, this is fucking stupid.

[Xayzeck]

you know what

fuck you TSO

VOTE: TSO

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: xayzeck

obligatory sheeping

also i don't know what happened to my mastin thoughts or where they were when i was voting him but i will keep you informed if i ever manage to retrieve them

[marquis]

bad sheep

[Xayzeck]

I meant which posts.

about the defending pushing thing?

, [post]78, 89

though not so much on 68

[Xayzeck]

68 78 89

sorry

[Xayzeck]

finally got your hydra huh

[Xayzeck]

not looking forward to it

[Xayzeck]

not looking forward to it

like that?

[Xayzeck]

[Xayzeck]

*...think you guys should wall less because my levels of into-this-game-i-ness kind of plummeted when i saw how much i missed/"have to" read

[marquis]

sorry

i get how you feel, i hate reading walls too

[Xayzeck]

I've been prodded! Yeah, Xayzeck has been pretty solidly scummy all game. I'll go there.

VOTE: Xayzeck

ha haha hahahahHAHAHAHAHA

aha

ha

haa....

[Xayzeck]

GAAARGH IT'S NOT SCUMMY IT'S NOT SCUMMY IT'S NOT I SWEAR FUCK YOU FUCK NOT SCUMMY" was a synopsis of your response, Xayzeck.

You didn't provide any explanations for ...well, anything, but no-one's buying your fake rage.

fuck you and your ignoring of everything i just fucking posted

you gave me a wall

i gave you a wall

i thought it'd be a damned good time to actually interact with you because i felt conflicted about my read on you since I was getting both town and scum signals

but no fuck that not fucking anymore

fuck you tso

scum for the third time i'm played with you

[Xayzeck]

Like honestly Xay, in what world is TSO scum this game? And don't just tell me because he's voting you, and you know you're town. A) that's unprovable and B) that reason would be shit even if it was. If everyone who voted a town player was scum this game would have been a scum victory by now.

this world

because i've been playing my towngame and he should fucking know that?

the only reason I can see him NOT recognizing my towngame is

well

he's scum

it ends there

[Xayzeck]

You town read TSO

no he doesn't?

[Xayzeck]

His motivations are very clearly pro-town, he's scumhunting, and so forth. Here? Nobody can say they have a strong townread on Xayzeck. A lot of people just don't have a read on him. That's not one bit like the town Xayzeck I know. Secondly, the posting style. I don't know why he's going for the shitty minimalistic posting style - I've never seen him do it as Town.

I just thought I should bring this up because I like how you've noticed me.

I usually stick to Micros and Newbies, and often I underperform in more than 9p games (I've played in an open and mini before and god my play was shit). I'm not entirely sure why, so I'm taking a bit more relaxed approach this game. And I'm pretty sure everyone has a read on me, and it's probably somewhere from nullscum to scum.

And when I'm lazy I post like that, or when I'm in a more serious situation

but that's not really the case here so yeah

[Xayzeck]

Another time, he told me he wanted to interact with me because he was conflicted about his read on me - but he had voted me a few posts back with the reasoning: "You know what? Fuck you, TSO, Vote: TSO".

I still do want to interact with you.

What's wrong with the voting then? Does voting for some reason cause a huge hindrance in interaction?

[Xayzeck]

okay TSO, after a read through my initial gut response may have been faulty... there are some posts in his ISO that just leave me uneasy at this point
so

vote Xay...

SSK 2.0

[Xayzeck]

Good to know.

Vote: Xayzeck

What else is happening?

Why me?

[Xayzeck]

SKOT is bussing Xayzeck./quote]

the above is all good. idk about skot bussing, but I can't rule it out either.

That's strange, I thought you were pretty sold on me being scum.

Heck, you've been yelling it since you came in.

Is that one mitigating reason you mentioned the only thing stopping you?

[Xayzeck]

Hey Necro that was directed to Thor and I have my reasons, I know what an asset he is when he is town and how deadly he is when he is scum, so getting him pegged is important to me.

have you pegged anyone yet?

[Xayzeck]

okay, reread the ISO again and back to my original gut, I hate when I get things all twisty...

unvote

sigh

i would very much like to vote you

but i'll stubbornly stay on TSO for now

[Xayzeck]

SKOT also is probably town

Why so?

[Xayzeck]

I think the froofroo tween Necro and Talah is T v T and they are both in my town pile

Hm, if Mastin and Talah have history together, then I'd think the push would be credible.

Why do you think it's TvT?

[Xayzeck]

Xay why are you so upset

i dunno, must've been in a bad mood

or his case is just so bad

[Xayzeck]

Necro readslist is good.

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

I think you're a pretty good compromise lynch too tbh

[Xayzeck]

xayzeck looks more dumb than scum. i wont vote him.

You see, this is the vibe people seem to be getting off Xayzeck - he's an idiot newbie but he's not actually scum. Thing is, Xayzeck

isn't a Village Idiot.

He looks Town when he plays Town, he doesn't act like an idiot. Newbie 1454 was a game I played with him where he was Town and I was scum. Read it. They're two different players.

don't bring up my first game maybe?

because my play has changed a lot since then. I think the one with Oka and kyndy would be more relevant

[Xayzeck]

I'm town reading TSO.

serious? how and why?

[Xayzeck]

I think he wants to solve the game.

I honestly don't get that kind of impression

He just comes in and yells for a random tunnel, when we haven't even interacted.

Hell, I don't even feel like he's been pushing me. It just feels like he's come in, SEEN me do stuff, called me scum for it, and told other people that they should vote me.

I can't even remember 1 moment in this whole game where he has actually talked TO me, and not ABOUT me.

That's not sorting people out.

[Xayzeck]

Xayzeck, maybe the reason you feel so left out is that I have no interest in convincing you you're scum.

rather, you have no interest in sorting me out through actually talking to me

[Xayzeck]

What's up with your vote? You really think that's going anywhere? What sort of sorting are you doing as regards it?

What's wrong with it? Sheep me and it'll take off.

I skim his case, it felt town. I read it, it felt scum, because the reasons were utter shit. I responded to start interacting so I could try and find out if he was town or scum. Votes him in the process so that he wouldn't ignore me maybe.

And I get absolutely nothing.

He's either scum pushing a mislynch haaaaaard as fuck, or town with an ego bigger than Jupiter

I lean the former

[Xayzeck]

I'm taking full responsibility if Xayzeck flips Town.

what kind of responsibility?

[Xayzeck]

as in hold my hand up, say I was wrong, and probably not push any other wagons/be more receptive to others.

it'd be excellent if you didn't delay this and started now maybe so we maybe hit scum today?

[Xayzeck]

why can't it be town trying to make friends?

[Xayzeck]

i didn't buddy everyone in sight? i just complimented a good response to a push I made because it was super town

[Xayzeck]

BEHOLD THE READLIST OF NOT VERY AWESOME NOR VERY USEFUL!

towny people:
1. Shiny Hydreigon (Wisdom/Notscience/Ms Marangal)
2. Doublade (Marquis/Caledfwitch)
3. Saki
6. Spring Starflower (Metal Sonic/Sakura Hana)
12. Nachomamma8

kinda nulltowny
15. Thor665
16. Talah
18. The Necromancers (Mastin2/Antihero)
20. Jordan_Downey (Jingle/Aphix)
21. Aegor
22. RachMarie

null scummy people, more in here than i'd like though. just feels like the lurker people are in here but ehhh
4. ZZZX
5. PeregrineV
7. Zdenek
11. The Most Curious Thing

MY PROPOSED SCUMTEAAAAAM
9. Sharpest-knife-on-tree
10. Dry-fit
13. TSO
14. MafiaSSK
19. Fear (Yessiree/Emogirl123)

admittedly it feels really uncomfortable putting TSO that low but I'm just gonna force him to be there, there's no one else in the nullscum zone I can push down to call scum.

you can lynch me now, i don't think 2 days will be enough for a counterwagon of any sorts

[Xayzeck]

I feel left out Xay....

that's because you shouldn't be playing this ga-JUST KIDDING

you're suppose to be in nulltown haha sorry

[Xayzeck]

VT.

[Xayzeck]

later tonight i'll check on that jordan case because frankly i've been ignoring it since I townread him and what not

i'll vote once I done that so i know why i'm voting in the first place

[Xayzeck]

Moderator, these V/LA's are a joke. It's so unfair that we have to put up with this shit.

shiny, the only place i see my vote useful is aegor atm, not Jordan

and aegor is a townread

[Xayzeck]

Moderator, these V/LA's are a joke. It's so unfair that we have to put up with this shit.

.___.

why is this wagon not a thing? i don't think nobody gets legitimately this mad lurkers. this is so forced

[Xayzeck]

lol at scumfuck Xayzeck trying to paint anything he can as scum.

not anything, just you

you on the other hand, you're just throwing mindless mud onto lurkers for no reason

[Xayzeck]

don't care if i get lynched today

as long as you get lynched sooner or later

[Xayzeck]

you never said anything about trying to get them replaced, just yelling at the mod to ignore V/Las

if you want them replaced then you could just say

oh i dunno

"can we get them replaced"?

[Xayzeck]

we have less than two days. Everyone, get your ass onto this wagon.

yes thank you for killing our conversation

[Xayzeck]

you admittedly look a lot less impressive if all you do is

"get your ass on the wagon"

"he's a scumfuck"

like, I know you have a case and everything, and you've got reasons and shit, but I'm sure you'd do a lot better if you kept saying those reasons while going "get your ass on the wagon" and "he's a scumfuck"

updating reads is good as well, aka giving reasons for why I am scum with my recent posts

followed by "get your ass on the wagon"

and a personal favourite, "he's a scumfuck"

[Xayzeck]

TSO: Moderator, these V/LA's are bullshit.
Xayzeck: OMFG WHO GETS MAD ABOUT LURKERS, IT'S FORCED, HOW DON'T YOU GUYS GET TSO IS SCUM?
TSO: Keep slinging mud, Xayzeck.
Xayzeck: You're mindlessly mudslinging at lurkers for no reason! What did they do to deserve this? Forced!
TSO: Yeah, because getting lurkers replaced with active players has lots of scum motivation.
Xayzeck: You clearly didn't want them replaced, because you didn't explicitly say it! Ugh!

sigh

this is sooooo bad

it's like misrepresenting at it's finest

[Xayzeck]

hello all

please lynch tso tomorrow

thanks~

[Xayzeck]

actually i'm not sure

tsoscum would now how bad he looks with the flip

i don't think tsoscum would wifom out with "if im scum i'll know he'll flip town so i won't push him so hard"

tso is better than that

but eh, his play here is way below than what I thought it'd be

[Xayzeck]

taking top since I can

[Xayzeck]

BOOYAH TOP

I think talah is town but could be WK i'm not sure

she's the only one to actually address the case so i like that

[Xayzeck]

the wagon is built up so much, i don't even blame you

[Xayzeck]

for once I actually think you look town for that

but I'm so far gone in, there's not really a way out.

this is badly timed btw

it's like, i bring up a problem that will come up once i flip town

and then you start considering the possibility i'm town

but you still stick to the read

[Xayzeck]

mhm mhm

town probably

replacing out feels kinda fake but 1205 feels genuine frustration to me

[Xayzeck]

so you're saying then getting mad when getting scumread is more of a town trait?

then you'd be agreeing with talatown no?

[Xayzeck]

...I would, yes, is this surprising?

yeah because i called talah town

and you said idk (followed by reasoning)

and idk means you disagree doesn't it?

[Xayzeck]

gasp

jordan is now the same size wagon as me

[Xayzeck]

Good job looking town. [/sarcasm]

wasn't the point of the post, but thanks anyway

[Xayzeck]

have you caught up?

[Xayzeck]

skimmed is fine

do you have a new place for your vote?

[Xayzeck]

hm, well jon is catching up right now, so until then you don't really have much to do with your vote

plus 3 days to set up another wagon, I know you've got Necro's support, but I and probably a few others think talah is town

Any other stronger scumreads you could share with me?

[Xayzeck]

Hm really? Both Jordan and Aegor have been townreads for me

I'll have to do some rereading myself lol

[Xayzeck]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dry-fit

Can't be scum with a claim like that methinks

[Xayzeck]

The tunnel was frustrating initially

It's just hilariously bad now

[Xayzeck]

Jordan is not clear? What?

[Xayzeck]

Jordan claimed a PR.

Jordan posted very towny stuff.

It's hard to see Jordan doing everything he just did as scum.

But that doesn't make Jordan clear.

[Xayzeck]

But that doesn't mean he is clear.

This is not about saving my ass, why did you say Jordan was clear?

[Xayzeck]

HELLO MALA HOW ARE YOU

[Xayzeck]

I've played with Rach before, but whenever I'm with her I'm usually with someone else who knows Rach well. I've only seen townRach though, and basically her meta is derpy, kinda peripheral, lurky, even obvscum some might say. I think she considers herself to be low-hanging fruit, too.

But I haven't played with her enough to actually agree with all of this completely and be able to identify her with meta though, but it's still quite accurate.

[Xayzeck]

I would guess 2-3 scum are doing the same.

Naming and not suggesting is usually a good idea

[Xayzeck]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

oh god

this is like tso 2.0

[Xayzeck]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

We are under time trouble.

[Xayzeck]

I would guess 2-3 scum are doing the same.

Naming and not suggesting is usually a good idea

Well, who exactly are you referring to here?

Although yes, I would like to know who Thor is townreading as well

[Xayzeck]

Are you always lazy and uncooperative with people

or is it just me

because i surely can't be that hard to type the names of 2-3 people

[Xayzeck]

Going through the playerlists with the mindset of "which on of these are active lurkers" and being "ah! this guy is so he's tso's scumread" won't fly with me.

Stop suggesting and being vague with who you scumread please, just fucking say who you scumread

[Xayzeck]

The topic of getting an L-1 so we can get claims has been pretty damn popular recently

And dryfit is like 1 vote away

nope

aegor votes

come on guys, we've got 14 hours left

TSO you've spent like the past few days saying how you want D1 to end with a lynch

I don't think Aegor votes will help that right now.

[Xayzeck]

Because of meta of 1 game with him, he is town?

[Xayzeck]

Unvote
Vote: Aegor

VOTE: Aegor

I for one don't think his quality is very outstandingly town to be honest, since what I can remember(though it was pretty early on in the game) was that it was complete shit. Which wagon jump, again?

Self-righteous isn't really alignment indicative though, but I'd agree a little more on the other 2 on Aegor. I think he is town though, but to be fair it's a meta read as well, I haven't paid much attention to him.

[Xayzeck]

ah that's what you meant

I don't think that has anything to do with dryfit being more likely to flip, though? like, if dryfit was next on the list after jordans flip, we're just doing a fastforward right now, just without the flip

[Xayzeck]

Didnt change, didnt get changed

[Xayzeck]

LOL TSO ISN'T HERE TODAY

WHICH HAS ME QUITE HAPPY

NOW WATCH AS I TURN INTO LYNCHBAIT FOR THE PERSON WHO PUSHED ME(not the best of reads but hey) IS DEAD, AND THAT POINTS TO ME PRETTY WELL

jk that's dumb4scum. i'm gonna go recheck TSO reads

[Xayzeck]

TOP

His death wish says Saki, Aegor is also a strong scumread. I'm a master at finding things

VOTE: SKOT

placeholder vote, since I remember him randomly voting shit yesterday and I don't remember why, I don't think anyone ever asked or if he ever explained

Will be more productive when people talk + Jingle is back

[Xayzeck]

Prod dodge, bitches

i honestly thought you got replaced already lol

[Xayzeck]

seriously, titus not knowing necro's case?

Vote titus....

you gave up on the ZZZX push pretty damn quick

[Xayzeck]

what you want me to tunnel?
Did you get rid of TSO because you knew he would keep tunneling on you?
I vote how I vote, when I vote and use my vote as I see fit...
titus I have seen is more game aware then that... so it is worth a vote... it should not be shocking.
Zzzx is not doing anything to help and has yet to post since off VLA. If it were soley up to me, ZZZX would be out of the game by now.

no? i just wanted to know why the ZZZX pushed ended so quick
nope, kinda glad he's gone but he promised a less dicky play today, so maybe if he stayed i wouldn't have minded
it wasn't shocking, i was asking you why you gave up zzzx so quickly. rather, why is your meta argument on titus more valuable than whatever you got on ZZZX?
huh, I see. so do you actually scumread the guy or is it a policy lynch thing?

[Xayzeck]

Simplest explanation as to why he died is that xayzeck is scum, not to mention existing information that points in that direction.

sigh

i'd love to scream at you for looking at this so superficially

but i've been doing it too this game

so someone else please do it for me

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: ZZZX

[Xayzeck]

What if the us was referring to town?

Anw vote ZZZX with me now

[Xayzeck]

Who Titus?

Didnt she just get dayvig'd? lol

[Xayzeck]

Oh Spring

No it isnt a defense for spring

[Xayzeck]

I'm not really trying hard

I just asked mala to vote with me? That's just 1 person

[Xayzeck]

Where's that readlist of yours btw?

^that pretty much

[Xayzeck]

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.

a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real!

I got a full readlist nearly ready

in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

Post what you have then.

[Xayzeck]

@Xay- opinion on Starflower, Titus, and Jon

I think starflower is town but that's an old read. I don't remember him doing much recently, so could be scum, or just lazy.

but I've been skimming a lot of their posts and now really reading them. I saw the Titus "scumslip", but I don't really think it is? It was the "you're not really helping us" where "us" is suppose to be the scumteam, but I thought of it as the town rather than the scumteam. content wise i'm not sure, never really bothered looking at her posts

jon I thought was town and kinda do still think is town, but everybody else thinks otherwise. Sure the entrance wasn't the best, but I wouldn't call it scummy like others have. I have read some and I keep thinking he's town, but others keep calling him scum, I've just gave up on him and let others sort him. I think there's some meta arguments here that I don't have to help sort him

[Xayzeck]

Well titus and ZZZX wagons are at 5

Spring is at 2

you wanna vote all of them

so I'd recommend moving your vote from spring to someone else for the time being and put the vote to use

[Xayzeck]

And finally I have one person who was scummy all of yesterday, hasn't really done much today, I pushed all of yesterday, and when I finally got off him the guy who pushed him slightly more than i did died.

I'm fine with most of this

except about the TSO dying part

because that could easily go both ways, and honestly it's pretty null to me

[Xayzeck]

I think sakura has made like

2 posts

[Xayzeck]

Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.

how is this town?

[Xayzeck]

Spring Starflower has been lurking way worse than me. And his posts were pretty passive and had nothing like the things Metal Sonic would do. This is really driving me into trust Spring Starflower is scum.

...To answer, though. That post is ridiculously, RIDICULOUSLY town. ZX is pointing out his long history with Metal Sonic, and why it makes him scum.
Take it from the person who did this with talah, AND has done it on AP (and been ignored ), that I can recognize it. Really can't be more obvious.

ms is this history long?

but really, all I'm seeing in that is "I'm bad but this guy is worse"

and I don't see that coming from town at all, let alone a meta push that I can't (and probably some others) relate to

[Xayzeck]

V/LA until 4th of July.

Sorry! I'll try to make occasional short posts (pretty much same as always) and not dumb silly dodges like Saki.

[caled]

bye caled :<

[Xayzeck]

Xay, Ignore zzx, ignore the fact that I've been calling you scum for days, ignore necro.

Look at post 1978 in context and tell me how that is a town post. I dare you. I double, no, triple dog dare you, to find an explanation for how that comes from a town player. The general uselessness and disconnectedness is just and added bonus.

ZZX looks scummy as all get out, but a few things are true that prevent him from being scum.
A) His wagon Composition is for shit.
B)The timing on his wagon growth is for shit.
C) Spring's post of sadness directly relates to him in a way that makes it impossible for them to both be scum.
D) Spring is scum.

Everyone get the fuck off zzx and on to spring.

a) I don't see what you're getting at. If you're saying the people voting him are all scummy, therefore he can't be scum, that's only because you think they're scummy.
b) I don't think wagon growth speed means anything. I've seen wagons grow quickly on town and scum, what's your point?
c) I do not see this.
d) Since I do not see c), I don't think this matters

Also, "ZZZX is scummy but let's ignore his play and realise that other player's scumminess makes him town"

[Xayzeck]

Yes Xay, that is exactly what I am saying, and I know it sounds dumb but it's true.

Less on the fact it sounds dumb, and more on the fact that I'm not really following your thoughts.

[Xayzeck]

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.

a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real! I got a full readlist nearly ready in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

I know I promised full reads today but I am posting from my 3g as my familly decided today is a good day for a field trip.

a few hours... hopefully... I promise for real! I got a full readlist nearly ready in my pc I have been working on since yesterday.

Micro 350 ended a while back so I can bring this up now.

When I saw both of these I just went "haah"

[Xayzeck]

Do you think I am jester? jester play scum play. Jester play had to be closer to my town play than scum play. Also I promised reads in both games. and both of them said the same thing about the field trip which makes it confirmed.

No it doesn't make it confirmed.

Point being you had full reads for that game but not here? What? Where did this game's readlist go but you still had one for the other?

And I find it hard to believe you had a full readlist prepared for BOTH games but only promptly delivered on that one and not here.

So you're lying.

And you have no reason to lie if you're town.

So get lynched.

[Xayzeck]

Oh.

Did I mention?

Scum player being hardcore-defended by a player?
Buys the fucking defense. They say to listen to said player. They say that player is town 100%. If ZX were scum, he would be buddying me hardcore.

Town player being hardcore-defended by a player?
Become immensely-paranoid of scum-WKing-them. Analyzes the defense, and ultimately forms their own opinion. In this case, ZX has said that they think we're town--but it's only a lean. Not a steadfast read. It's what he's thinking, not something he's sure of.

You really can't get any more fucking town than that.

This.

I'll give this a chance.

VOTE: Spring

[Xayzeck]

His frustration felt really fake to me

But because of that point I'll give him a chance first

The only thing bothering me is if you were both scum, then how would he react to it (obv not the scum player way like you mentioned because that would be bad for him AND you) so yeah

[Xayzeck]

It doesn't matter that much who we lynch 'cause scum can't win as long as I'm alive but I am 100% down with getting rid of this spring junk but anti/hero is being really really forceful and he was not like this in the games that I've played with him.

All that in the last page was mastin

not anti

[Xayzeck]

If you're talking about "I am conftown" then that could just be him saying he's town.

[Xayzeck]

Huh, thor what games of his completed in that time so we can actually talk about them. And in those games did anyone call him enough to force a readslist?

Micro 350, reads were shit, he was jester so doesn't really count maybe

[Xayzeck]

NK is wifom, not the best reason to vote for me

useless is a scumtell? then why isn't saki in the list?

elaborate on the self's maybe

but to you i'm useless, scummy, self serving, self preserving, but my wagon got derailed, and I fail to see how that wagon-point has anything to do with me?

[Xayzeck]

ZZZX i've talked about him, readlist was a lie and is derp, hasn't been doing much, but since mastin feels so strongly i'll give it a chance
Thor is also actually an Fos, because it just feels like he's getting people to push but doesn't feel like he's doing anything on his town. I don't know, I thought Thor would maybe be very active in scumhunting but it doesn't seem to be the case, so it's like "i expected THIS but I got this so I don't think town"
Saki is just a "wtf are you even playing this game you're worse than me, and I'm pretty scummy myself"

[Xayzeck]

I don't remember seeing that though, except for ZZZX only recently.

[Xayzeck]

What the hell is it with you scumfucks keeping wanting to push obvtown?

shit like this is why I don't talk about my Thor fos

because nobody seems to have a problem with him, so he's probably universally townread, so I'm just like "ok w/e i'll let him do his thing" and now I out

because you fucking asked

"omg u scumfucks keep pushing the obvtowns"

but I haven't even pushed him yet

I just outed the FoS

you're a poopsicle

[Xayzeck]

Why is dry fit scum not a viable wagon

Everyone keeps yelling at me when I try to remind them of it and it's annoying

I even built a meta case on him. On a player I barely know. And tso acknowledged that it made sense but he was too stubborn with xay and aegor wagons to care

Can people just say why he's roam instead of treating him like mastin and giving dry fit undeserved town reads too

Like seriously just stop

Pedit jfc titus shut up before I scumread you again on policy

I still buy dryfit scum, but spring is a bigger wagon so I'm on it for now

[Xayzeck]

Xay, I went through the first few of Thor's posts where he's pushing votes. If you're going to bullshit on obvtown, make sure I know they aren't obvtown.

That's just "you should vote someone, who you voting right now?"

I fail to see how that's obvtown, that's just asking people to vote. Doublade is asking for votes for DryFit right now, is that town then?

[Xayzeck]

Are you scum again

Please say no

Because I super hated that response

I never was scum

You want me to sheep you I could, the dry-fit read is a little outdated though, I can't remember his posts very well too, but that's not a good sign either

[Xayzeck]

And even if you're town that's a horrible line/wording of thought

What I'm thinking is that I'm apparently scummy as fuck, and rightfully so. I came into this large planning to take a more relaxed stance, and a more relaxed stance I did take. I knew it would affect people's reads on me, I knew I'd get lynched, I didn't mind. I did mind getting lynched D1, because that would suck. I'm out here in D2, and I realise I'm in a position where I won't get nightkilled, and I can't be around in lylo for the better of town, so I'm going to get lynched sooner or later, and I've got no problems with that.

What I'm interested in now is supporting wagons, and pushing easy pushes. ZZZX was an easy push, I pushed him with some others, and mastin gave that huge response. That's good, that's content for everybody. And I'm interested in more of that happening, so I'm letting go of the ZZZX scumread and giving him some times and breathing space and sheeping mastin for a bit. Sure the hard on defence is a little fishy but I'll take it as defending his townread than hard defending his partner.

If dryfit wagon comes up, I will hop on. I am of course, more interested in pushing reads that are mine and not others, but right now I think this is my little way of helping the town in what way I can, playing as the boy who hops on wagons for reactions, that hopefully stronger players will use to further develop their reads.

You know what, fuck the Spring wagon

VOTE: Dryfit

I'm going off to read his ISO now since I can't remember at all what he's been doing

[Xayzeck]

Also xay he's been doing nothing. Nothing. Unless you two share a qt and he's plotting there but I appreciate the bus vote anyway if so. Thanks

vote me then

[Xayzeck]

Trying to get you off the dryfit wagon? Right after I jumped off?

I'm pretty sure I'd gain speed a lot quicker though

[Xayzeck]

MafiaSSK ; TBC (I cant iso from phone)

This is now Nero Cain

[Xayzeck]

The Necromancers : I have no freaking idea.

Are you still thinking over his defence for you or is it something else that has you conflicted?

[Xayzeck]

lazy, not incredibly interested, very little content, gut town just based on tone/vibe and what you've got

wish you'd give a brief readlist of just who you think is town and scum, that'd be cool

[Xayzeck]

scum is Obama
saki could be scum
zzzk has a different feel than I'm used to
spring could be scum

I'm town and that's all I've really read

you got strong townreads too or just scumreads and iffys?

[Xayzeck]

I haven't really been paying attention enuff to have any town reads other than myself. The only reasons I have reads on saki and spring is 'cause I ended up ISOing those slots and there's ISOs were pretty underwhelming.

read my ISO

tell me what you think

[Xayzeck]

Pushing alone isn't town.

You said Thor was scummy because he wasn't pushing cases. I showed he was, not to prove he was town, but to prove you were lying.

False.

Titus says: Xay said Thor is scummy because he wasn't pushing anybody

Xay said: Thor is scummy because he's asking other people to push for their reads instead of pushing his own

Which would be what you quoted for me. Am I still lying?

[Xayzeck]

Spring, who cleared you as conf town?

himself

[Xayzeck]

First on the ZZZX rationale and second on you not having a backbone to push anything but ZZZX.

so much misrep

[Xayzeck]

This is a distinction without a difference, like saying something is large or gigantic.

Your push saying Thor's scumread on ZZX wasn't valud is also shit.

What you showed me was what I had a problem with. You call it obvtown, I did not. Where is this lying?

I also never said his scumread on ZZZX wasn't valid. Fucking quote that shit for me right now. I never once said his push wasn't valid. YOU KNOW WHAT I'LL QUOTE THIS SHIT MYSELF.

This is bullshit. Thor is pushing cases entirely.

What the hell is it with you scumfucks keeping wanting to push obvtown?

I don't remember seeing that though, except for ZZZX only recently.

WHERE IS IT

[Xayzeck]

posting because it's page 100

[Xayzeck]

You, for some reason, have to keep Thor as a scumread. He was highlighting the same stuff you did about ZZZX but all of a sudden you're FoSing him meaning you feel that Thor's case isn't valid. What the fuck?

ARGH

fuckin, read 2382. I quoted it in 2422, AND LO AND BEHOLD THAT IS ME ACKNOWLEDGING HIS ZZZX CASE IS INDEED HIM PUSHING STUFF.

The whole problem I have with him is that he's done a lot MORE of "you, push your scumreads" than pushing his own. Much like a supervisor rather than a worker, and I was expecting townThor to be uberactive and hands-on with his scumhunting, not a puppeteer for most of the game.

Of course I HAVE to keep him as scumread, I'm not just going magically pop him up to a townread because the all great and tiny Titus says so.

[Xayzeck]

scum are zzzx and mala and jon just lynch this 3

the rest of the scum are open

Mala how?

[Xayzeck]

Claim plzs

[Xayzeck]

no claim?

[Xayzeck]

Alright, let's play more sometime soon.

VOTE: Spring

[Xayzeck]

Are we still claiming polarity changes?

[Xayzeck]

I did not change polarities, and it hasn't be changed by others

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: ZZZX

Necro can go too, but maybe tomorrow.

[Xayzeck]

why are we derailing

and switching to a saki wagon

why

[Xayzeck]

@ Xayzeck What's wrong with a Saki wagon? Has he done anything you think is particularly Town? If his wagon grows enough that it looks like it'll go through, I'd be willing to help push it through. IF none of my scum reads look to be strung up.

I would be willing to push it.

Here's the problem, Rach comes out of NOWHERE and is like "oh saki wagon". I did a quick ISO, and there's NOTHING about ZZZX wagon, just Thor's.

I too have no problem with a Saki wagon. My problem is, WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE WHEN WE GOT OTHER PERFECTLY FINE WAGONS ARGH

I agree, it's a good lynch. He hasn't done shit, if he's town whocares, if he's scum yayz. BUT I don't think we get ANY sort of info.

If you're going to push Saki/Xay scumteam, you can fuck off.

You, jon, should be able to recognize that it's a wagon hilariously set up to distract from ZZZX and Titus wagons, and Eddie should feel bad from hopping on to it.

It's either Rach WKing or scumteam. Eddie could be scum for it too.

IDK, the Saki wagon just came out of nowhere and it bothers me a ton.

[Xayzeck]

And you are probably scum too if you couldn't even see that much

[Xayzeck]

I'm calling so many people scum it's not even funny

Now it's time for my wagon to pick up again for nailing these reads hard

jk

[Xayzeck]

this post is so bad I am crying

lol it wasn't that bad of a joke

[Xayzeck]

How about I'm trying to figure you out. I appreciate the fact that you're not wanting the ZZZX wagon to fall apart, I mainly wanted you to state a clear read of Saki.

Also, earlier you said naked votes didn't equal scum, in regards of Dry Fit's vote on Saki. Then you complain that Peregrine voted without an explanation.

Readlist was complete bullshit, just something I threw together based on who I've interacted with and vibe. I think I even expressed then that I thought it was shit.

Saki slot is useless, here's what i'm thinking though, is that Saki isn't an idiot. He should know what he's doing, so I see very little scum motivation is just...doing nothing? But at the same time there's no town motivation too. Basically, he's just a "yeah we can lynch him too" instead of a "I want to lynch him"

I also do random shit just to talk to people, so yeah.

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Titus

chuggachugga

whateva da fugga