Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

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hey. we'll have time tomorrow morn

every1 jive with that?

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I'm a sucker for that self-vote AtE, the passion is there.

VOTE: Spring Starflower

counterwagon ahoy. AHOY MATEYS!

I am going to read this game in 23 page chunks. 23 pages at a time because Air Jordan wore 23 and so does Queen James! Would anyone like some coffee

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Mala if you are here we would like to talk about this game with you as you walk us through.

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Still catching up, didn't get to the mason/IC soft claim by Spring.

VOTE: Empress Titus

Until further notice! Vote is going quickly, with little thought, to avoid DL scrambling. I believe in ZZZX's pleading as town.

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Still catching up, didn't get to the mason/IC soft claim by Spring.

VOTE: Empress Titus

Until further notice! Vote is going quickly, with little thought, to avoid DL scrambling. I believe in ZZZX's pleading as town.

I read the vc and wondered "why aren't we voting titus" then this happened. I'm happy bert is on top of things.
for the record, i haven't read any of this yet. the titus vote just seemed right.

--hijacked.

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@ZZZX, You are throwing mud. It's one thing to say Thor's premises are wrong. It's another to say it's invalid. You're doing the latter, which is throwing mud as the argument is logically valid even if you are telling the truth.

I just proved I did the same thing at the same time in another game where I wasnt scum.

Proving that my case is totally freaking valid. What is invalid in it?

scum slip?

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so i'm still on page 10 of this thread. forgive me for not noticing a case of innocence.
but are you self metaing? i don't like self meta.

pedit: i feel lost

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isn't that the best time to make a read list?

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We are now at page 70. Pat us on the back please.

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We are content to go into overtime (Night 1) and come back with a fresh mind tomorrow.

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The Collective finds pagers awfully outdated. Doughnuts are better.

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Yes. *chomp*

The Collective chews like horses. Done reading. Assessing reads.

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This slot's utility took a nosedive once we replaced in. Sorry.

VOTE: Spring

Gaiden hasn't received my messages yet, so I assume he is V/LA.

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We are content to go into overtime (Night 1) and come back with a fresh mind tomorrow.

This still stands.

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Oh, I didn't know Metal and Sakura were in this game.

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Prod dodge. Gaiden will be here later to post a vote and analysis.

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Hi

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I blame the 110 pages.
Either way, I think I'll skip most of it for now and just re-read today's stuff. I'll still try to get through the rest of this... novel? Or would textbook be more apt?
the sheer volume is quite intimidating.

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A vote for Saki is a vote for a brighter tomorrow.

VOTE: Saki

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that post was Gaiden

but even if I did listen to you, I don't like to after Wicked lol. but Gaiden will gladly vote Titus - I'll ask him about it

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it's impossible to motivate ourselves for this game. we tried through 20 PM's at least to go over this, but all we hear is SWOOSH

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let's vote mala for the lolz.

VOTE: malakittens

#yolo

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VOTE: Titus

p-edit: wtf

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Mala's reaction amused me. I say do whatever you want.

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#yolo
all I gotta say.

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mostly alive.

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I want to keep some of my games and I picked this as one of them, partly because it is hard to get replacements for large games especially well into the game, and partly due to the player list and the flavor.

I felt that non newbie games were the best ones to stay with.

So yeah you could be well off on that read on me there dude. Yet I still think you are probably town.

Suspicion of Thor is going up he is still with us and yeah that is weird.

same here, we are both pretty overwhelmed. i hope you are feeling better!! <3

we also came into today with the same worries about Thor just because he's alive and has been on all these town wagons unyielding, but we feel totally useless in this game and don't know what to do aside from prod dodge

the vote on titus was a half-joke because we always think Titus is scum

sorry guys

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we also got a message from Bulba about Polarity being dark

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This game is next on our priority list. One head is really busy and lazy.

This head has been having irl-related catchup issues, and is lazy too.

Also we haven't produced any content, so I'm guessing you mean you dislike much of our nonsensical postings of no content.

Lastly it sounds like you're gauging whether people are willing to vote us without committing to anything.

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Well hi there night 3!

@Rach, why the suspicion of Thor?

This first sentence makes us want to vote Eddie.

I think we will.

VOTE: Eddie

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Well hi there night 3!

@Rach, why the suspicion of Thor?

This first sentence makes us want to vote Eddie.

I think we will.

VOTE: Eddie

Explain your reasoning

Easy, you are not posting in the dead thread. We hope to change that today...
I would be down for a Saki lynch, though.

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Hello.

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To dodge a prod shamelessly.

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Thor's scum.

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VOTE: Thor

the collective seeks greater justice.

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Hi Saki!

High five.

The adage to never throw rocks in a glass house applies here. You didn't throw rocks in a glass house.

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hi

so scum traded 1 for 1. mental note

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VOTE: TiphaineDeath

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Polarity is still dark. However, this SK case seems far-fetched.

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There was no way in my mind thor was actually going to get lynched, right up until scum derphammered him. He was obv town to me, and seemed likely to be a power role as well. I decided my wifom mattered more than him getting outed.

Backtracking with hindsight bias

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The colors of the VCA indicate Christmas is coming around soon. Cue the music.

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PN, wtf is hindsight bias?

I didn't post that, but my definition is looking in the direction of your behind, with bias.

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PN, wtf is hindsight bias?

I didn't post that, but my definition is looking in the direction of your behind, with bias.

The proper definition is "Conf Bias, with 20/20 Vision"

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VOTE: jordan

All aboard, guys and girls!

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Next Topic:

I've got nothing.

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GIMME SOME FISH FIRST

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A few thoughts. Why has no one called us out on wagon hopping? Why would polarity locking be anti-town?

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Anytime.

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what doesn't compute is that you saw this action, yet only chose now to vote me.

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Take the case where you can lock scum in Light polarity. They effectively become useless against all dark polarity people. So I wouldn't venture to call it anti-town, just often negative utility.
Also, if scum really wanted PV dead (rereading his post right before we voted), then he would have died last night since he is claiming that he is a "governor" based on yesterday's action. Thinking about it, I wonder why PV said that his govern didn't work. Given the current track, it seemed likely that we would be going into all dark polarity, so if he actually wanted to use his ability he would have switched to dark a while ago.

So I have a question, does your polarity lock go into effect before or after your target decides polarity?

Also, lol, we voted cause we saw a wagon. I'm sad we forgot to write "choooooooo".

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Yeah I think so too

Let's lynch Perpetual Nonsense.

I'll back off Jordan for now, I'm still thinking Xayzeck's been pretty scummy this game. PN is a slot that really needs sorted, he (they) talk a lot of nonsense.

Take the case where you can lock scum in Light polarity. They effectively become useless against all dark polarity people. So I wouldn't venture to call it anti-town, just often negative utility.

Actions only go through on opposite Polarities. If the majority is Dark, then the Lights' are in the most danger.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Perpetual Nonsense

oh. i thought actions only went through on matching polarities. my mistake. anyway, since it seems that my lynch will be going through i might as well claim here.
I am a dark locked VT.

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That be the role we got. I ain't question it.

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It's not. Last I checked, 2>0.

That is a fact. It's 1/3 of the way through.

That's one remarkable fact. Thank you!

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These votes on us are doubly opportunistic, not triply, not quadruply, but doubly. Don't make it a sextuplet instance. Please bring your opportunistic tendencies down a notch.

- The Collective.

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I just checked and at each day start I see no mention of our polarity being locked. Just dark every day. One sec

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WAIT OUR ROLE IS ORIGINALLY DARK LOCKED TOWNIE

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Then why does Bulba keep telling us we are Dark at each daystart? Strange.

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Perpetual Nonsense seems more scummy than Saki, to me. At least Saki put in effort to explain himself (even if I don't agree with his premise) and what he was trying to accomplish.

What is there to explain?

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So maybe the Collective can't read...
This is a known bug and is currently being worked on.
We should see significant improvements in the next release.

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I'm going to assume Thor had a bunch of no visit results, that probably would hurt town more then anything at this point that's why there was no claim. Or polarity effects his role as well.

This depends. Not claiming a visit could be Thor being cognizant of potentially outting a PR.

There was no way in my mind thor was actually going to get lynched, right up until scum derphammered him. He was obv town to me, and seemed likely to be a power role as well. I decided my wifom mattered more than him getting outed.

Why did you think he was obv town? The Collective thought a lynch seemed really likely when the wagon took off like a rocket.

@DGB: Both The Collective and the starving Herons haven't read the game. Do you need fish?

Summer is wrapping up, so please anticipate The Collective working out its bugs in anticipation of the next release, set for 11/11/2015 at 11:59:59 PM EST.

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locked people all being town really does point to jordan-town tho

My issue is him saying he does not know how to use his role to his advantage, and instead is sending coins spinning with the RNG picks for locking people.

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ho'd want to govern Thor? I would have let him sink.

The Collective's Thor vote was not a result of reading his posts in depth with a fine toothed comb.

Fear of him monopolizing the game as scum with righteous indignation is very real. Having a player like him survive late into the game put The Collective on edge. He's not the type of player to expose himself later.

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You can twist The Collective's words however you please.

Your interpreting skills need serious revamping.

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Look at DGB's last posts. Too narrow-minded.

Perpetual Nonsense is only defensive and is not looking for scum. This last bit has been his MO all game. His coat of arms says "NO LOOKING FOR SCUM" in latin.

Multo labore sudatum est, non quaeritis

Perpetual Nonsense seems more scummy than Saki, to me. At least Saki put in effort to explain himself (even if I don't agree with his premise) and what he was trying to accomplish.

What is there to explain?

Said the lazy dark-locked goon.

locked VTs have happened

Your'e right

Let's lynch Perpetual Nonsense anyway.

I think you're a dark-locked something else.

I'm a vanilla townie and I'm not locked.

Why would a vanilla townie be locked?

Yeah I think so too

Let's lynch Perpetual Nonsense.

A few thoughts. Why has no one called us out on wagon hopping? Why would polarity locking be anti-town?

never mind that

I realize we caught you for the wrong reasons

Thanks for trying to set us straight

LOL

Next Topic:

I've got nothing.

LYNCH THIS THING

Perpetual Nonsense is scum, good to know.

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your sudden tunnel makes sense as scum is to distract us from Xay or Jordan.

It's the timing that is not spicy

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Explain to me exactly how the votes on you are opportunistic, I am dying to hear this one.

This question? The solid evidence of us lurking has existed since Day 2 or 1 or whenever we replaced in. We have been there for the taking this entire time. Why not then, and why now? It is not as if the players in this game have shown an unwillingness to lynch VI's.

I find it weird that the "evidence" suddenly spawned at this point, as if DragonGoofball and whomever the other person is just suddenly had this "WOAH, OPPORTUNISTIC VOTER, THATS SCUM" pop into their head.

Look at it from our point of view. We see a wagon on Xay or Jordan/Jon forming, and it looks like a wagon is heading their way. Then DGB starts beating the drum for our lynch after coming into the game, without reading the game AND having just said that by VCA, we aren't the scummiest.

You have like two fucking votes on you, how is that "my lynch is going through," FFS.

I didn't say that, but I will vouch for my hydra buddy that while things were not unraveling, the momentum looked to be changing ever so slightly. You're constantly pushing for us to answer questions, which makes it seem like you're obviously desperate for something. What do you want from us? You suggested we were town due to VCA or the way wagons went as well. Was that just some strange corner case scenario (those VCA's)? How much stock do you put into those.

With that said, my main focus (Mini 1576) just ended, and this is now my priority.

My absolute and only big scumread right now is jon. Look at the premise of this read below. Tell me how a town player weighs a read on us like this.

This is where I stand right now.

I think PN sounded Townier, in his last sets of replies, as well as making me lol. I'm going to be looking more into this slot, putting them under more scrutiny. Right now I'm leaning a little more scum on them than Town. I've gotten a few good chuckles out of their posts, whatever their alignment.

Even though PN's an almost scum read, I'd still be willing to vote either of these, if they ever take off.

VOTE: Jon 61

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I'm a vanilla townie and I'm not locked.

Why would a vanilla townie be locked?

If you have a town mindset, how is a vanilla townie being locked to a polarity not even a remote possibility? You are clever enough to know that setups have variety, and as the beneficiary of how FakeGod's VisCon went where you were scum and townie PR's began lynching each other due to setup spec, this premise obviously starts with a fallacy.

I am giving this game my full attention so that I don't have regrets later of "why were we such limp lurksacks." If defending and garnering reactions is the only way I get into this game, so be it. I am reading, but not the first 100+ pages of the game. More like, mix and mingle through the last 5-10 pages and choo choo.

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DGB, twisting our words to fit your narrative of "blah blah blah what they said = scum" again and again...and again...

it's like you are trying to make what we're posting more scummy than it really is by painting it with "oh that's scum, oh that claim obviously means scum."

this merry-go-round, how is it productive? if you really think we are scum, you could be more pro-town in doing so

DGB Town. A complete reversal on my Necro read. I asked repeatedly for Necro to come back to the game. My read reversal is for reasons.

I genuinely hope you are not softclaiming a PR.

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Why are you asking for a Xay counterwagon? TD, you're acting as if the counter case on me is compelling.

I'd really like more feedback on what people think of Jordan's explanation of the use of his Power. Does it look made up, or does it look like honest recapping of previous actions?

Jordan I'm still having a hard time envisioning his PR as a Town PR. Without another PR to compliment it, it looks like a scum PR. The question is, why would he say he was a Polarity Locker if he was scum? I'm swingy on this slot.

What is your feedback? You did a fantastic job of pushing reads like this over as "semi-scum" and staying way from displaying some legitimate edges about your reads on me and people like Jordan...

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No, I'm not soft claiming being a PR. But I did receive a PR, if that helps.

Oh, like an inventor gave you something! Cool. that doesn't clear you.

Perpetual Nonsense is still not looking for scum.

I'm looking. I may not be looking at who you're looking at, but that's not the point.

Though to be fair I am voting you more for recent reactions than anything else.

Kay then.

I haven't slotted PN

but I don't feel convinced on PNscum. I would vote him just to get him at L-1 because that would help with content, but I wouldn't be able to substantiate it. I would be voting ONLY BECAUSE he's the biggest wagon, and does that help town? I dunno, maybe? But only because they are willing to generate that content, I'm just the blind sheep.

Xay, if you're town, please stop posturing. It's going to make you look even more lynchable tomorrow once the accusations of "you avoided the PN wagon and stayed off without a clear stance" come out. You know they will.

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I do not like the folks voting perpetual nonsense

? Why not. names?

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my big scumread is Jon and I Don't know how many other scum are left.

I think there's one scum in <Jordan, Jon>. I think it's Jon.

My instinct is to say the last scum (if there are 5 or whatever - well if there's an SK, good luck) is in the near-universal townreads. Look really closely at Tiphaine Death, please. We may not have paid good attention to the game, but we agree that something about them seems off.

So, closing reads:

<Jon, TiphaineDeath>

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Thor, I haven't thought you're scum this game at all, you were displaying sk-ish tendencies that along with your level of play and current game state made me suspect you a bit, however nothing you've done remotely pings as scum to me, and since I think I have a bead on the actual SK voting you as SK would be silly.

Make sense?

I'm not voting you, I don't think you're scum, I don't even think you're the SK, chillax mr. smurf.

Dammit John, stay the course.

Thor, you look like the SK because you've been going with the flow and no so much arguing multiple wagons all game as being happy to be on multiple wagons.

The only strike against you I can see other than that is that you are alive. Honestly the only reason I'm not voting you right now is because I'm pretty sure I know who the SK is, I'm just not going to get a lynch on them today so it's not worth outing just yet.

You just told me Thor was obvtown. This doesn't match, sorry.

Are you kidding me? Thor is a very good player, and I had a strong townread on him, I rather assumed he'd talk his way out of it. Da herp, le derp.

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There was no way in my mind thor was actually going to get lynched, right up until scum derphammered him. He was obv town to me, and seemed likely to be a power role as well. I decided my wifom mattered more than him getting outed.

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steal

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Jon we had no opinion or recollection of you until yesterday in real life time

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How are you conftown? Receiving an invention isn't a means

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oh

sorry i should probably take tunnelgoofball's posts with a grain of salt then!

VOTE: Jon 61

He's conftown.

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The Collective is overcome with maniacal laughter.

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Someone having absolute brutally unrelenting faith in you

Enough faith to call you conftown

I may not be you, but if someone began anointing me conftown in my defense when I'm not, I would think twice about the person's intentions

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I say "we vote for great justice."

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In all seriousness, we don't think Xay is scum from a guttural standpoint, so nope not voting him. On a totally unrelated note he's also a fellow countryman.

The Jordan lynch doesn't have enough support.

Some questions were posed at us, and we will construct a post shortly to address them.

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We would also be willing to deliver divine justice to DGB.

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Our claim is dark locked townie.

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Hi all

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The Collective's bugs are undergoing surgery.

A lobotomy, to be specific.

Please wait. Wear gas masks and bring tweezers. Evil bugs!

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FOR GLORY
VOTE: RachMarie

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We of the Collective are of one mind.
There is no Bert. There is no Gaiden.
There is only Us.

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If PN was town, scum would have showd up to hammer.

The Collective announces that it believes this logic to be unhealthy and hazardous. Everyone has been warned.

That be all for now.

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Still if you're scum, you come and hammer this townie.

You don't even know if scum were already on the wagon, unless you're scum.

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Somehow, DGB has backed herself into a corner where she is saying The Collective is scum but also adding it on with confirmation-bias in every post after Us, and every post in general, making Us the focus of all of her posts,

so tunnel-visioned..

that she reminds Us of a pesky mosquito. Anyone have a mosquito swatter/zapper?

love bulba's games, but getting into this large game on D2 when so much had already elapsed... that put The Collective over its head with disinterest, so The Collective's slot is beyond repair. that is about as much deep seriousness as The Collective can provide.

Back to fixing bugs.

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The Collective is heading out to celebrate Labor Day and wishes everyone except evil a purifying Labor Day.

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oh hey, L-1.
I would claim here, but i already claimed...
So ika, why do you want me lynched?

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So ika, why do you want The Collective lynched?

FTFY

Spoiler: SLAMMA JAMMA

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Heron, you have a big mouth to feed.

Are there not enough fish to whet your appetite?

DGB goes tomorrow.

FTFY

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oh hey, L-1.
I would claim here, but i already claimed...
So ika, why do you want me lynched?

LOL Perfect

scum

town reaction.

FTFY

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Just to help you with you

scum

town game, next time, display some righteous anger at your unfair wagon and pretend to find scum on said wagon.

FTFY

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VOTE: Saki
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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baaa?

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The Collective's Gaiden head has magical composure under pressure, at the biggest moments...when the light shines brightest.

The Collective concludes it is remarkable and that he must have ice water in his veins. No other explanation exists for this phenomena.

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Dodge.

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Hello Saki.

Do you pronounce it Sah'-Kee?

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Ika and Tiphaine are scum in The Collective's books. Saki vote is for preserving The Collective during its infancy.

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?

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We were and are town.

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The Collective is pontificating that it needs an update for unwanted bugs