Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Doublade]

Hey guys!! This game is going to be a huge clusterfuck, but it's going to be great as well.

VOTE: TMCT

What up.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

quack

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do swords quack

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why are there so many pages alreadyyyyyy

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why aren't anti and mastin hydraposting yet is it still not activated

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the fact that the mod has to keep asserting the field polarity with every votecount is making me think that there are day actions that can change the polarity i.e. daykills or day-polarity-switchers?? would be really cool if someone could change polarity to confirm themselves between votecounts

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is flay really the only one who can activate a hydra

i mean like really but also you could have maybe just clicked y'know the thing that asks if it's an alt or hydra account to avoid the whole "you already have an account you need activation" thing

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also for some reason i'm just seeing this game as everyone's just.... here. like there are people talking and people voting and mastin's making big posts but it's like i don't really know how to read them at this point.

it's not even an "everyone is null" thing it's like a "you all are failing to make a decent impression on me in any direction when normally i would feel at least someone's doing something scummy while also being towny at the same time"

pedit rach it's just like there's not a votecount number, just "votecount" and i don't see why we would have to be reminded of the polarity with each votecount unless there is a potential for change there

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granted i haven't read pages 4-8 or something (but still there's not even a

something

)

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this is marquis btw

i may or may not sign my posts with gifs of amanda bynes. if there aren't capital letters though it's prob me and not caled

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Hydrai: If you would be so kind, please include names of hydra members in sigs. Otherwise, please sign posts. Thanks.

well since you asked nicely http://www.gomotes.com/emoticon/skype/skype15.gif

[marquis]

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ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's supposed to be a

[marquis]

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also i finally have a decent scumread ty <3 <3 <3

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry-fit

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[marquis]

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not much other than annoying but tbh i'm not one to talk

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(i'm guessing by your vote that you want me to scumread them)

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i would be interested in hearing however just how much of the scumread on them comes from how they're still posting separately whether it's conscious or not because i can't imagine that the confusion caused by non-hydra posts of a supposed hydra wouldn't at the very least make scumreads on them a bit more wanted or acceptable if you know what i mean

basically i don't think the hydra issue is helping how they're being perceived and i'm kind of reluctant to let this go on without at least mentioning it in case it might be happening

[marquis]

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actually i think i'm going to ask shiny hydreigon to not just sign their posts left middle and right, but by their actual usernames. or at the very least publish a key so i can tell which is which.

because i'm not even going to bother trying to read them until i know which meta to connect with which posts

(that last post was mara right?)

[marquis]

pedit thanks for the compliment??????? this is kind of like biting the horse that feeds you but i actually don't like you saying "i'm not going to force it on you". maybe it just sounds too nice idk (like a weak form of buddying idk idk idk), which really sucks because i want to take it at face value.

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also of course it's not alignment indicative that flay hasn't activated the hydra :/

in case you totally misinterpreted what i said what i meant again was that i'm concerned that the extra noise created by their posting from the main accounts while sharing a slot might be unnecessarily facilitating scumreads on them/scumvibes from them. which you disagreed with, said you liked how it made the distinction between their individual thoughts clearer, but scumread them anyway?

[marquis]

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though i think i understand how the scumread could be validated in a theoretical sense. in a hydra posting normally, under the same account, it's much easier for inconsistencies in reads and viewpoints regarding the game to be explained by "we're a hydra and we are [two/three/four] different people with different opinions". i'm sure it's happened before where a head of a scum hydra made an inconsistent remark, and covered it up with "no that was my other head not me".

but like mastin and anti don't have that luxury in this case if they were scum, so theoretically it would make your scumread on them develop more easily because it's easier to differentiate between scumtells or scummy behavior for each individual head....

eh writing it out makes the idea make much less sense. pls ignore my middle of the night rambling

[marquis]

pedit thanks <3

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mara i would think you would be at least slightly reading mastin/anti as scum right now because of the whole "town even though they haven't posted at all" thing you quoted

[marquis]

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strictly pokemon game speaking hydreigon would destroy doublade

strictly this game speaking i'm fucking awesome

[marquis]

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ms has sakura even posted yet

[marquis]

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yeah and too bad i'm a steel type huh

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but i've never seen it so is mastin's scumgame as confident as her towngame?

[marquis]

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er, i meant to ask "to what extent"

because i kind of hate trying to read people who can emulate their town meta as scum/are super confident and don't seem like they're hiding anything at all as scum. i mean i'm pretty sure that's how it is for most people but it's like if mastin's one of those people who is virtually indistinguishable i'm probably just going to stop reading her posts entirely.

[mrquis]

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i like tip

tip is town

[marquis]

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since when is 4 posts in 14 pages "a lot"

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[marquis]

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can we lynch dry-fit please

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jordan wagon built from random vote mastin posturing that i didn't read and sheep vote of someone who i'm willing to bet also didn't read it is no.

ms going from the mastin/anti wagon to sheeping mastin/anti is no.

no.

vote dry-fit. there's already a wagon there

[marquis]

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mastin why am i hilariously town again

is it because i expressed reluctance at the idea of your wagon

because right now i'm feeling like i want to jump on it after all

[marquis]

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"you dare have the audacity to think i am scum!!????" hey hey hey hey it just sounds like you are ignoring peoples' reasons for voting you and just attacking them blindly because of the vote. and ignoring why you're scummy is not a defense at all

UNVOTE:
VOTE: necro

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good news!!!! this wagon is at least guaranteed to be partially town driven now because i have joined it

so mastin stop talking about how it must be a scum driven wagon and please try to talk about other players in ways that don't imply that this game revolves around you kthxbai~~

[marquis]

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nacho and tso haven't posted and yet you call them town

it's almost like everyone not voting you is town

and everyone voting you is scum

and you actually addressed it as a valid idea in one of your vc quoting posts

i really don't think you would even consider this as a viable option if you were town. it's just ridiculous and incredibly egocentric and does not fit at all the whole mastin-as-town-is-logical thing and instead just looks like you're scum scrambling or forming these "scumreads" for the heck of it

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[marquis]

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i am flattered

but in terms of buddying you sound even worse than xayzeck (((

[marquis]

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i actually have no problems with this being today's lynch. if the first big wagon could actually be the lynch wagon for once before i get lost in a bunch of tldr pages and posts that'd be cool

[marquis]

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there's a lot of ignoring-what-people-are-saying going on here

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really sure mastin/anti is scum now

general feeling of the page is "i'm making reads on people with not even a single post to back them up, but i'm going to attack other people for having scumreads on me and get all butthurt because you're not supposed to scumread me so soon". more like scum "how dare you scumread me already" not town "but i'm town so that doesn't apply" sorts of rebuttals i think

[marquis]

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i don't blame people for not reading/ignoring posts though because a lot of this discussion is just mean

[marquis]

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see mastin i'm not entirely reading your posts just like i said i wouldn't

i'm skimming instead and seeing a lot of things i don't like at all!!!

[marquis]

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i'm just going to

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go and watch some teen wolf now

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ok bye

[marquis]

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Wow, this is crazy!! Anyway, Mastin and Antihero. Your unique responses to being the main wagon right now are intriguing, but now is

probably

not the time to get angry and arrogant. To be honest, you two sound a little too desperate to be normal. Plus, the raging kinda hurts my brain.

Mastin, what is your readslist based off of? What warrants Zdenek and me, among others, at the top of your list? What warrants SKOT and JD, among others, at the bottom of the list? I think that's the real problem -- having reads, but publishing them without thinking them through enough.

[caled]

PEDIT: darn it marquis teen wolf isnt even that cool

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Nope, im admittedly more proper when scum

With the exception of Farmer's Market, but I replaced into mylo and it was fairly short

Meh, self meta doesnt mean much anyway

Man, fuck Farmer's Market. You know Vio did all the work for you.

[caled]

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'Sup, MS. Doing good?

[caled]

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i'm lost

UNVOTE:

[marquis]

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we are town

obligatory post

sorry am busy

[marquis]

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VOTE: xayzeck

obligatory sheeping

also i don't know what happened to my mastin thoughts or where they were when i was voting him but i will keep you informed if i ever manage to retrieve them

[marquis]

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What the fuck, talah?? Why claim on Day 1 -- is it because you're trying to get pressure off of you? Good luck with that, because you jumped out of the metaphorical oven and into a cauldron of "haha no".

[caled]

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i

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*...think you guys should wall less because my levels of into-this-game-i-ness kind of plummeted when i saw how much i missed/"have to" read

[marquis]

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xayzeck i said them not being a hydra could affect reads because 1) more annoying as individual posters space/noisewise (this has happened to me as doduo at times) 2) no hydra account to hide behind because i know hydras can get away with more at times accountability-wise

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mastin i get you want to lynch both talah and aegor but i don't get that if you think talah is so scum why don't you want to lynch them in spite of the pr claim. scum -> scum pr -> lynch scum pr over potential scum? i'm not liking how your train of thought is suddenly now willing to leave talah behind after focusing on seemingly only that for like... a lot of posts. walls mostly. lots of walls. no.

[marquis]

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ok wait never mind i understand the last part of 877 now

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5. PeregrineV

now i remember you doing things like this is exactly what makes me want to scumread you again.

pv barely posted anything and is now being replaced. how can you even have such a strong [null]townread on slots like this. it was the same earlier on for shiny and i really want to call it preemptive buddying or something

[marquis]

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okay TSO, after a read through my initial gut response may have been faulty... there are some posts in his ISO that just leave me uneasy at this point
so

vote Xay...

bad touch ! bad touch

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i just remembered a tso thing i wanted to respond to brb finding it

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VOTE: xayzeck

obligatory sheeping

also i don't know what happened to my mastin thoughts or where they were when i was voting him but i will keep you informed if i ever manage to retrieve them

[marquis]

Very good, Marquis. Very good.

response that should have come a lot earlier:

"i was sheeping tip, not you, so don't let it go to your head"

too late though ; (

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this is all [marquis] btw

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ha haha hahahahHAHAHAHAHA

aha

ha

haa....

the vote is valid the reason is bullshit

VOTE2: SKOT

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is it too early for me to be thinking multiball

it's been a thought i had about the whole setup initially and some of the scumread interactions/votes cross so much it's coming back now. as in a light mafia and dark mafia- it would be cool to see but is it likely

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still [marquis]

caled i miss you

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when did i become doublade instead of marquis you dehumanizing scum

[marquis]

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Necro readslist is good.

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

@Rach: What do you thing a TMCT vote does at this point in the day?

i had a townread on him for his minicase on you

but i forgot so. thanks

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Does anyone else think Nacho is kind of fishy?? I remember playing a game with him like ages ago, and back then he was like running the show. Like, I know he's V/LA, but even before that he didn't seem to be as engaged as before. Marquis dictates the votes, though.

(I accidentally typed Nacho as Macho. is this a bad thing)

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PEDIT: save compromise lynches for later pls

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and given Necro's current push, I know firsthand that mastin's/Antihero's reads are shit.

one word answer please: necro is town or scum?

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that wasn't a one word answer

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Your read on " The Necromancers " is currently: " The " !

[marquis]

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i'm really done with excruciatingly long day 1s that destroy not-caught-up players' and subs' abilities to give a shit about the game

so i want to lynch one of the following within the next two pages: xayzeck, xayzeck, dry-fit, xayzeck

oh sure i have other scumreads but it really doesn't matter when the power to wagon efficiently and coherently is somehow missing from the game

[marquis]

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tso and i are now masons

tso can we be masons pretty please

[marquis]

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can i townread you for being cute

is that a thing

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never mind the dry fit wagon doesn't exist anymore because we stole aegor from it

why can't we steal votes from town wagons like tso and anything mastin's voting at the moment

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xayzeck is scum. aegor is townier. bye

quoting because hydraslip way earlier

i'm going to repeat what i said earlier: i want a xayzeck or dry-fit lynch, and i ~think~ aegor is town. certainly not as strong of a scumread on him as on xayzeck, and my main townread wants the xayzeck lynch too so it's perfect.
new opinion: i would not mind a pv lynch but i don't think it's viable with ~2 days left iirc

[marquis]

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in case i'm too lazy to log back on as this hydra before day end the extent of my i-care-about-these-reads list as far as i can remember goes like this

doublade tip town
tso townish
aegor null but town things i sort of agree with
necro maybe the one policy lynch i will ever entertain
skot scumish
xayzeck dryfit scum

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bye

[marquis]

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Marq, what are your thoughts on jordan

he's both in my "i don't care" pile and my "i kind of hate mastin's 'case' against you" pile. i want to say i'd be ok with the lynch but i want the xayzeck lynch and dry fit lynch so much more for me to be willing to compromise on that -or- aegor

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yeah so

in general can we --not-- suddenly up and destroy the xayzeck lynch when it was going so well especially this close to day end? i don't understand how you can read his posts without thinking it's scum-who-wants-to-be-super-cutesy-and-make-friends

[marquis]

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Because if you spend your efforts trying to decide the best lynch for the day instead of trying to buddy up with everyone in sight, you won't NEED to make friends. You'll exude natural charisma that makes townies swoon at your feet.

Literally what.

[caled]

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i didn't buddy everyone in sight? i just complimented a good response to a push I made because it was super town

Well, I hope you could have seen the hyperbole in that. :T

[caled]

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i was looking through your readslist for my townreads and i'm not sure what to think of you ignoring tiphaine entirely

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and we have Doublade as a probable if they have to (so 7)

don't drag me into this shit i distinctly remember saying i had bad feelings about and didn't like the jordan lynch because of how it started in the first place

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and i'm not going to jump onto aegor either so don't even ask

[marquis]

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I am on my phone so if caled could quote this or if I get back first never mind but I will try to iso the main wagons later data sucks bye

I will not iso aegor though because I still have a town read of him and I don't think that will change in any case soon

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i have this horrible habit of getting townread early on coasting on those townreads then subsequently getting scumread and driven to lynch or near lynch. it's almost masochistic in its frequency and maybe i should try to not keep doing that here

reading reading blah blah blah.

[marquis]

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thanks for quoting those caled

isoing isoing blah blah blah.

[marquis]

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lol jordan is town

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Whelp, after conferring with Jingle I'll be moving on at this point. I'm personally not seeing the Talah scum in the thread, and don't have much faith in meta, especially when it's not my experience.

Fear and spring starflower still sticking out on review.

SKOT has been pinging me recently, re-reading his iso his posts are wishy washy and I think he might include more qualifiers then me. He continuously mentions just poking Necro for reactions, just poking. 446 he calls them out for feeling evasive, but then counters by saying it's a null tell. Then 648 Necro gives you a good what for and he replies with 667, "Well I didn't really call you scum." Went from sitting on a fence to full on backtracking. Then the, I have suspicions on you but well sheep you anyways, because hey, I'm going to vote out noise instead of actually scumhunt.

VOTE: SKOT

town town town town town this is a 100% correct post

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He kinda reminds me of Syryana in Open 526, (though I know that's ancient for you), because he's not actually refuting any points, it's just deflection, deflection, deflection. And Syryana was scum that game.

I've disagreed with TSO but up until this point thought it came from town. This is a huge reach, as there is no way someone else's meta is going to apply to Xay. It's is scummy to me. It reads to me as the wagon might fall apart at any time, lets throw everything at it, which is a null tell until you start throwing completely irrelevant stuff into it.

i remembered reading this post and thinking it was town because i totally agreed with almost all of it but i forgot who posted it. he's wrong about tso and xayzeck subtle reads but the callout is incredibly on point and it's like getting into my head almost as much as tso did more recently. just because jordan's posts sound detached doesn't mean he's scum, which iirc was a main reason for the scumread on him. i think it's more likely it was like me and just stopped caring for a bit until there was stuff that absolutely needed a response to

jordan is town. aegor is town. please lynch xayzeck we were so close to it

[marquis]

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actually since the xayzeck wagon kind of broke apart is it still possible to get a dry fit lynch because rereading post 169 again please, it's horrible and the "point" he makes for the scumread in it is completely invalid

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry-fit

[marquis]

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i was looking through dry fit's open fire and ice game then i realized there was a different fire and ice that you meant

but you're wrong, dry fit is still scum and the read's actually probably stronger now. there's a huge difference in dry fit's tone in these games. in the large normal as town, his tone and attitude even pre-wagon-on-him (as well as during the wagon) sound much angrier at people accusing him.

in his iso here, it's much much much more polite and reserved. it's a lot of reads/comments on players, sure, but dry fit is cool as in calm. the general feelings of his responses that i can see are

that town game: this is horrible you're horrible fuck off
this game: lol ok then

i think the measure of his confidence here and reservedness or whatever the word is is a lot different from there. you can compare him getting scumreads sure but the way he deals with them contrast too much to be the same alignment

pedit this is a minor thing but i think in that game taking the time to sign their posts so as to not have to get caught up in flipflops-where-it's-not-a-flipflop-because-different-head is maybe important. do you get what i mean?? it's a small detail but eh.

more importantly as scum jordan is apparently much more into the game and less detached. they're making much longer and more involved posts there; it makes sense with heads being the kinds of players who prefer scum to town. jordan is active now, but it feels like they've stopped caring as much about this game.

and i was about to go on with specific examples/quotes seeing as jordan's at l-1 already but then i realized since he's at l-1 we're just to wait until the deadline to actually think about jordan being town then lynch the slot anyway out of "no time"/apathy.

[marquis]

sorry bulba i knew i was typing this up under my main but i was too far gone to care

[still marquis]

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IF I was a sheep, I certainly would be sitting on Xay

i don't know why i don't like this but i don't like this.

[marquis]

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meh, you make me agree with everything you say, but we're kidding ourselves if we think anything but JD is going through.

i know. i realized almost at the end of the meta explanation why jordan is town that it was pointless but i wasn't going to just delete it all.

[marquis]

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i'm really proud of the distinction i spotted between the two jordans though so here it is in shorter form so you all have no excuse for seeing it

this is jordan as engaged and long-winded scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
this is jordan now, detached and making short and quick points: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

jordan is town but it's going to end up being an "wow lots of people like this wagon time to sheep it" lynch.

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ah fuck iso links break.

just iso jordan in both games

[marquis]

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i'm really proud of the distinction i spotted between the two jordans though so here it is in shorter form so you all have no excuse for seeing it

this is jordan as engaged and long-winded scum:

http://goo.gl/94IUl2

this is jordan now, detached and making short and quick points:

http://goo.gl/6q8LVH

jordan is town but it's going to end up being an "wow lots of people like this wagon time to sheep it" lynch.

goo.gl links work

[marquis]

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jordan is town but it's going to end up being an "wow lots of people like this wagon time to sheep it until it's too late to realize otherwise so we have no choice but to keep ignoring scum and lynch town" lynch.

fixed

[marquis]

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i've been staring at this game since this morning trying to figure out how to respond

in general the most i could come up with goes like

"so i successfully derail one townwagon only to have it pushed by my townreads onto yet another townwagon. great"

[marquis]

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aegor is even townier than jordan.

lynch dry-fit.

and tso don't you fucking dare say "it's unviable"

[marquis]

pedit please don't become a scumread. please.

[Doublade]

is the skot lynch unviable, tso?

everyone keeps talking about how much they want it but then they don't fucking vote.

i understand though because apparently it's really easy to derail wagons but really hard to build good ones back up again. i'm not moving from dry-fit.

[marquis]

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ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ugh

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dry-fit is scum.

titus is scum.

skot is scum.

xayzeck is scummy.

i'm paranoid of thor and him dancing around all three of today's major wagons didn't and doesn't help to calm that.

this is the only big game i can think of where at first thought the number of my scumreads trumps the number of my townreads and i can't PoE out of that at all.

do you guys see my dilemma?

sorry, that question doesn't make sense. just complaining that my usual thought process is screwing up this game.

[marquis]

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i also don't like mala but that's probably because she expressed doubts about town-me.

[marquis]

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Like, seriously, we have;

Dry fit the gold medalist in AtE
Aegor, the world champion of 'I'll admit to scummy actions to make you think no scum would do that'
and
Jon the inventor and reigning title holder of the sport of 'Claim weird mental synergy, and then when it's pointed out you've shared nothing, claim synergy on...really weird things.'

preeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure jordan was the last of the "big 3", not jon.

[marquis]

pedit but thanks for the vote <3

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wait no xayzeck's not even there either

why is jon in that list

[marquis]

pedit for the most part i've stopped

wanting to

car

e

ing too!! lovely

[Doublade]

so we're not on the same page

perhaps i should clarify

why is jon listed with dryfit and aegor when he's not even a major wagon? stop trying to sell him like he is, because at the moment i don't particularly care about that slot.

also about xayzeck maybe if you read/were paying attention instead of just wagon hopping i was actually with the xayzeck wagon until it spontaneously exploded for no good reason

and all that i'm getting from you here is like



[marquis]

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(and i don't like how it's more than just paranoia now.)

[marquis]

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really

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i've pretty much just lost most if not all of my motivation here.

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Aegor is L-1. Aegor please claim your role.

well if Aegor does not show up and claim, then he needs to go bye bye. That is "antitown" behavior, period. Drawing things out and waiting to last minute to claim is also "antitown" imo...

First of all, I was at work until now. Second, why would I claim prematurely? Your suggestion that I should have claimed at some indefinite point in the past is absurd. We have already had two claims. In one day. That is bad.


I am not claiming. Feel free to hammer me. I may even do it myself if we reach deadline. Of course, I would rather Dry-fit get lynched.

I made not comment or suggestion that you should have claimed any point in the past. I said If you do not show up and claim, then you need to go bye bye. Nothing more, nothing less. You showed up and refuse to claim. You need to go bye bye. Simple. So, nice misrepresentation there, but par for course.

skot is scum, but his wagon never took off

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jordan is town, but he was forced to out himself in order to derail the wagon on him

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dry fit is scum, but the wagon derailed at what feels like the very last second and by what feels like a scum push

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and aegor is town, but this is fucking torture.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: aegor

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tso, i don't want to townread you anymore.

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aegor and i have actually been on the same page in terms of scumreads but tso is just tunneling blindly.

pedit expletive expletive expletive if you're town like i thought you were get your head out of your ass and start listening to other people especially your townreads if your read on mine is as strong as you say don't just fucking go "i agree with you but i don't want to listen" just ugh i'm done bye

[Doublade]

because jordan totally didn't already claim with a "lock" keyword earlier right

pedit because aegor totally was the only one to blindly wagon hop repeatedly right

[Doublade]

bulba please hurry up and lock the thread. please.

[Doublade]

can we just

VOTE: dry-fit

[Doublade]

lol tho

UNVOTE:
VOTE: titus

[Doublade]

as irritating as titus' need to shove "doublade scumclaimed!!" into every post is

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry-fit

this one is for you oh great and gone tso

[Doublade]

this would be where i jump onto the titus wagon and say "hey mastin do this if you're so concerned about titus-scum" but skot-scum's last vote mmmmmmmmmmmmmnotrightnow.

[Doublade]

i was being sarcastic because his reads were so great on aegor and probably dry fit

[Doublade]

it's more like i liked the dry fit lynch yesterday and it's still the best right now / today / until the lynch actually goes through which without tso being bullheaded is probably possible and i'm probably not letting go of it no matter how iffy i want to act

[Doublade]

ok stop right there before you misrep me any more and pull a muscle or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

i'm going to make this concise because lately i've been having a spontaneous-wall-generation problem and to be honest it's really clashing with the image i like to keep of myself.

one.

i asked for bulba to lock the thread because i wanted to have the last word in that "conversation"

T S O

and i were having (conversation meaning tso being oh-so-

right

-always-

right

and me getting

rightfully

pissed at him for it). was it in town's best interests? probably not. am i scum? lolnopegoaway.

two.

this one is about you calling me a "giant fucking troll". i may or may not be abnormally tall for my ethnicity, and i may or may not be addicted to the-next-word-in-that-sequence, but you don't get to throw that troll shit at me. maybe a long time ago, but not here. the fact that i like to post in lowercase while actually trying to enjoy the game doesn't mean i can't play, and doesn't fucking mean i'm scum.

let me say that again because i seem to have to be saying this one a lot as of late:

the fact that i like to post in lowercase while actually trying to enjoy the game doesn't mean i can't play, and doesn't [expletive] mean i'm scum.

clearly you're either not actually reading my posts or you are and you're ignoring them completely. which brings me to the next number.

three.

let's do another repeat line:

clearly you're either not actually reading my posts or you are and you're ignoring them completely.

so i generally like to be concise. so what? truth time: a lot of people [don't like to / don't even] read walls. that trait in me usually translates to liking to keep things simple and go one at a time. just because some of my posts are short doesn't mean they're "empty vapid content". fucking annoying blatant misrepresentation and by the way, i looked at my iso for myself, and if you're not even going to say anything about the good chunk of totally intentional / potentially accidental big-to-medium-sized posts, i could just be purposefully obnoxious and quote all of them, but i'm pretty sure i should just stop typing right now because you're going to not even read this and say it's a scum response anyway.

lolnope pedit mentality wants me to do more

i'll give you this: your "case" on me is so blatantly empty and so willfully ignorant that you (surprise!) managed to make me make myself think you're actually somehow town, because i really don't think scum would be ballsy enough to try and drive a lynch on me when i'm obvtown and obvtown-being-read-correctly. sorry-not-sorry if it makes me sound conceited in my status. but guess what? it's true, i'm town, and no matter how far from your version of optimal town play you think i am, i think you should get your head out of your ass and vote dry-fit if you want to actually start being useful instead of dividing the town and pushing your ridiculous mislynch.

this has been another accidental wall from marquis. nighty-night now~

~marquis

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Malakittens : That muiltiball comment is really scummy. Its all built on the fact people will think no scum is sane enough to do so. I used to think that too until I took a lynch to the knee.

Scum

OK, I'm not the best player around, but this is gross. Scum based on one comment?? Ugh.

VOTE: ZZZX

[caled]

[Doublade]

Thor is there anyone you would NOT support lynching?

Himself. Who else?? //z-snap

[caled]

[Doublade]

V/LA until 4th of July.

Sorry! I'll try to make occasional short posts (pretty much same as always) and not dumb silly dodges like Saki.

[caled]

[Doublade]

zzzx wagon is okay i guess

why dry fit wagon gone

[Doublade]

zzzx here isn't reminding me of town medical mafia zzzx but that might just be because of how i've completely lost the thread here

why is dry fit wagon gone. is the metal sonic wagon a policy lynch. if it is i'm pretty sure there are better policy lynches (see: necromancers)

[doublade]

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So, I've been reading a bit today... And, who's big ass bright idea was it to push Aegor?!

I REALLY don't like it when people say 1 thing, then not follow thru.

Hard to figure out who the fuck is even posting in that hydra when they don't or RARELY give a hint as to who it is.

2309 where Spring named Bulba... Are we REALLY debating/discussing that in this game and not just disregarding it?? What the hell??

someone pray tell which kind of meta does eddie's overreactions exist more prominently in. town or scum?

[Doublade]

Why is dry fit scum not a viable wagon

Everyone keeps yelling at me when I try to remind them of it and it's annoying

I even built a meta case on him. On a player I barely know. And tso acknowledged that it made sense but he was too stubborn with xay and aegor wagons to care

Can people just say why he's roam instead of treating him like mastin and giving dry fit undeserved town reads too

Like seriously just stop

Pedit jfc titus shut up before I scumread you again on policy

Tell me how it doesn't make sense that after town Jordan wagon moved to scum dryfit wagon, scum used paranoid town to derail to town aegor wagon. And i feel like today scum are pushing big distractions instead on letting us actually remember the perfectly food and supported dry fit wagon

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dry fit

[Doublade]

Titus you don't even have a case

(Hint: you should try. come back to me when you realize "oh wait marq is obvtown")

[Doublade]

Why is dry fit scum not a viable wagon

Everyone keeps yelling at me when I try to remind them of it and it's annoying

I even built a meta case on him. On a player I barely know. And tso acknowledged that it made sense but he was too stubborn with xay and aegor wagons to care

Can people just say why he's roam instead of treating him like mastin and giving dry fit undeserved town reads too

Like seriously just stop

Pedit jfc titus shut up before I scumread you again on policy

I still buy dryfit scum, but spring is a bigger wagon so I'm on it for now

Are you scum again

Please say no

Because I super hated that response

[Doublade]

Why is dry fit scum not a viable wagon

Everyone keeps yelling at me when I try to remind them of it and it's annoying

I even built a meta case on him. On a player I barely know. And tso acknowledged that it made sense but he was too stubborn with xay and aegor wagons to care

Can people just say why he's roam instead of treating him like mastin and giving dry fit undeserved town reads too

Like seriously just stop

Pedit jfc titus shut up before I scumread you again on policy

I still buy dryfit scum, but spring is a bigger wagon so I'm on it for now

I recently just caught scum in medical mafia micro 333 for the same tell

"I think scumpartner is scum, but I'll vote town mislynch first"

So scummy. Said so often

And even if you're town that's a horrible line/wording of thought

[Doublade]

I'm on phone so caps to feel better since no italics

YOU JUST SAID EXACTLY THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT DRY FIT IS SCUM

AND YET YOU'RE VOTING STARFLOWER FOR THE WAGON

YOU. DID. NOT. EVEN. SAY. OR. MENTION. ANY. SCUMREAD. THERE.

THIS IS NOT A SPEED GAME

THIS IS NOT EVEN HOW YOU CATCH SCUM IN ANY SCENARIO

from now on I'm going to see you as scum who forgot to disguise that he supposedly thinks starflower is scum

Like it's not technically a slip

But your posts just struck so many wrong chords with me that's it's like. A fatal blow. Good luck because I want to follow up with tso and tip and lynch you next

[Doublade]

Titus you don't even have a case

(Hint: you should try. come back to me when you realize "oh wait marq is obvtown")

I've posted my case repeatedly.

First, scumslip.
Second, useless posting throughout ISO.

Only now that you've come back in the last 2 hours have you posted anything resembling content. How Mastin and Antihero townread you is anyone's guess.

You're pushing a caseless lynch on Dryfit while hypocritically and wrongly stating that I have no case.

Is wanting to get the last word in an admittedly petty argument a scumsli

Is hammering town a scumslip

I have no fuckinggg idea what you. Are. Talking. About and you are driving me insane. Because you know what else

OUR POSTS HAVE NOT BEEN USELESS AND TRYING TO PASS OFF THE MASS OF DAY 1 READS AND CASES WE MADE AS NONCONTENT? IS INFURIATING.

get your shit together because I still really don't think you would dare making such a fucking horrible push or as you call it "case" on me as scum. Get back to town titus who maybe gets reads wrong but at the very least usually can make at last some sense doing it.

[Doublade]

Tip is tiphaine to me.

Havent seen tippy (pope) in forever

Also xay he's been doing nothing. Nothing. Unless you two share a qt and he's plotting there but I appreciate the bus vote anyway if so. Thanks

[Doublade]

God titus you're making me feel unhinged and that was the angriest I've been at a mafia game since ace attorney

I need to take a rest. Someone make sure the dry fit wagon is huge by the time I get back

Pedit I didn't say wagons were horrible but as I've come to realize lately when you join a wagon for no reason (you) or break apart perfectly good wagons to push a pet project people are tired of or don't care about (cough necro cough) it's kinda really sucky

No I'm not voting you thanks for trying to call my bluff but you're just becoming more scum in my eyes for trying to get me of something I spent the whole last page bringing back up

[Doublade]

You know what, fuck the Spring wagon
VOTE: Dryfit
I'm going off to read his ISO now since I can't remember at all what he's been doing

(Why Xayzeck is Spring's scumbuddy.
Also why Xayzeck is scum in general--

Looking for reasons to fit the read, rather than vice-versa.

)

and this doesn't apply to you too becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

[Doublade]

in other words it feels like literally half of your scumreads are predicated on the "truth" that jon is scum

[marquis]

[Doublade]

I have been giving alot of effort to protect my self. SS is using a defence of "Im OBV TOWN CLEAR IC HUR DUR" And yet you guys go @ me for not giving a list (which I did but it wasnt complete?) and ... I did the same in my completed town games? Am I wrong? This is clearly scum lead.

ZZZX is still survivalist and disgusting. Lynch him.

Like, you know how back in elementary school, your teachers would tell you to "show, not tell" in your writing?? Do that instead, please. I would vote him, but I'm already voting him.

[caled]

[Doublade]

Also did I translate you right at the end of the day yesterday? Thor was having issues with my translation.

...and, as expected, thor thinks its dumb. jeez, what a shock. since apparently mastin is the only one good enough for him (because mastin wasn't overtly calling him scum), she can be the one to talk to thor whenever. i'm finished.

You didn't actually answer the question.

Hydraleak again.

Also did I translate you right at the end of the day yesterday? Thor was having issues with my translation.

what, about the whole "why haven't we run someone up to a claim yet?" thing? yes.

...and, as expected, thor thinks its dumb. jeez, what a shock. since apparently mastin is the only one good enough for him (because mastin wasn't overtly calling him scum), she can be the one to talk to thor whenever. i'm finished.

haahhaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahaaaaaa omg this is horrible

VOTE: thor

[marquis]

[Doublade]

titus needs to shut up because it's getting really hard to just ignore her now

[marquis]

[Doublade]

i don't see how you could even think of doing that as town.

[marquis]

[Doublade]

i'm partially confused and partially "how dare you!" because regardless of your alignment, all you're doing now is just serving to aggravate people and the only motivation i can think of other than you just trying to fuck shit up for a laugh is you being scum and just blatantly misrepping them.

and if this is you saying that a policy lynch or pressure-designed-to-stop-mainly-mastin-from-pulling-shitty-wagon-antics on them is long overdue, i agree with the sentiment but in any case i'm just completely baffled at how you even decided doing that would be a good idea.

[marquis]

[Doublade]

essentially, my view here is that of

"i don't understand it; therefore, i will attempt to kill it"

and i feel that i am completely justified in my actions after the ways in which you are treating mastin and anti.

i'm expressing agreement in your goal in that i, mostly during the latter half of day 1, felt like this game would have gone better if they weren't...... here.

i'm expressing bewilderment at your

choice of conduct

, in that you quoting their post, deleting an important line from their post, and then criticizing them for a "lack" of the information given in the line you deliberately deleted, is something that i absolutely cannot understand why you would do that as town.

the closest explanation i can think of for you being town and doing that is that you just want to aggravate them, but in turn you're aggravating me because i see it as a horrible thing to do.

it's much, much easier to come up with reasons why you would want to do that as scum, and the whole action simply makes more sense with you being scum.

[marquis]

[Doublade]

Let's go slow - walk me through how I figured my "misrep" would work since the person I was misrepping was the person I quoted and talked to. I mean, was my plan to hope he would forget he had answered...? Or was my hope that he would freak out but be unable to manage to point out that I'd snipped the post? Whih was I hoping for? Or is there a third option?

i'd rather not.

i'm trying to figure out what your motivations for misrepresenting necromancers' post were, so i'm asking.

now you're just deliberately withholding the answer.

which gives me yet another action for which i'm trying to figure out the motivations of.

because i'm not going to come up with the reasons for you.

simply put, you're refusing to be open about this and fmpov stopping me from trying to understand what's really going on here.

i'm completely fine with just lynching you instead of having to deal with more and more rhetorical-questions-that-are-not-answers-that-i-care-about.

[marquis]

[Doublade]

I would submit your inability to accredit the action to a scum mindset is pretty much all the effort I need to produce in order to show the value of your case.

i'm pretty sure i actually did.

and all other assumptions of a town mindset are just that- assumptions, in order for me to try and figure out the likelihood that those town mindsets are even possible.

just because i chose to evaluate your actions from a potential town mindset doesn't mean i can only see it as town.

it just means i chose to use the "these are the reasons why thor would do this as town and they ultimately don't make sense at all compared to the simple explanation that he's scum" approach rather than the "keep giving the simple explanation that he's scum while ignoring potential town mindsets" approach.

or in other words, i went through the scenarios of town-you doing that, ruled them out, and came to you being scum through

process of elimination

.

ftr i'm not unvoting.

[marquis]

[Doublade]

Also did I translate you right at the end of the day yesterday? Thor was having issues with my translation.

...and, as expected, thor thinks its dumb. jeez, what a shock. since apparently mastin is the only one good enough for him (because mastin wasn't overtly calling him scum), she can be the one to talk to thor whenever. i'm finished.

You didn't actually answer the question.

Hydraleak again.

Also did I translate you right at the end of the day yesterday? Thor was having issues with my translation.

what, about the whole "why haven't we run someone up to a claim yet?" thing? yes.

...and, as expected, thor thinks its dumb. jeez, what a shock. since apparently mastin is the only one good enough for him (because mastin wasn't overtly calling him scum), she can be the one to talk to thor whenever. i'm finished.

haahhaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahaaaaaa omg this is horrible

VOTE: thor

[marquis]

No, I think it was intentional.

First quote within mine is Thor, second is original Necro.

It's not a case of Thor leaving out everything except the last line. He quoted everything,

including

the quote within the quote, with the exception of "hydraleak".

It's not just like he could've deleted the first sentence in the editor. How the quote displays in editing format has that very important line that he deleted

in the middle of the full quote, next to the rest of the content.

And it's not just two words he deleted.

I'm finding it very hard to believe Thor accidentally deleted a whole sentence in the middle of the quote without reading it or understanding what it said, then immediately replied asking for the answer given in said sentence.



I'd be fine with "I wanted to see if you would answer the same" as an explanation as to why this happened. Hell, I'd even accept a shitty "it was a reaction test".

But you claiming you didn't

mean to

do that is something that I absolutely do not believe and think you are scum trying to back out of a bad turn of events here.

quote

[Doublade]

hihi

SAKI I SWEAR TO GOD

[caled]

[Doublade]

Hi, I don't know what our vote is doing on Thor.

VOTE: Xayzeck

You're a pretty boy, Xay, but don't be a dork face. Don't just post things to get reactions; that's like scum pulling a #yolo and trolling everyone else.

[Doublade]

[caled]

[Doublade]

V/LA until July 31.

Sorry, this week is crazy.

Doublade will be back with a vengeance, though!! (Hopefully.)

[Doublade]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

yeah, titus is town.

[Doublade]

the universe in which i no longer have faith in this town's abilities to wagon actual scum (dry-fit, skot, maybe thor)

and the universe in which your repeated annoying accusations of me are so ridiculous that it has to be town you with your penchant for tunnelly bad logic

[Doublade]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thor

[Doublade]

On the subject of "V/LA":

caled is V/LA. We've been talking for a bit about potentially replacing out because we've pretty much completely lost track of this game and are completely disconnected. Pretty much a motivation loss completely here.

...Well, I know that I at least am contemplating replacing out because I know that someone else could probably give this game the attention it deserves. I feel really bad about this because caled didn't have to hydra with me and I really feel like I'm just tying her down.

On the subject of this game's content, the last feelings I can remember about Titus and ZZZX is that I read them both as town. So this is... meh.

What I said earlier about being unable to wagon scum still stands. Do you know how demoralizing it is to have your townreads wagoned and lynched over and over again while scum gets free passes for what feels like no reason at all? IIRC people just threw the whole Thor thing to the side because "oh it's Thor, he knows what he's doing, I really want him to be town because he's good at town, so he's town" blah blah blah and so on.

To add insult to injury, a totally viable and justifiable Saki wagon didn't even get more than 5 votes, while ZZZX is probably going to be lynched today. ZZZX has actually done things and played his usual town meta, while Saki is... well, you know. I don't even know or care anymore if he's town or scum, but why is the ZZZX wagon so much better than his? Because Saki has an earlier join date or something?

Whatever.

VOTE: saki

It's staying there; no, I'm not going to hammer ZZZX for the sake of a lynch.

I'm not going to compromise on my townreads anymore this game. I shouldn't have hammered Aegor. I should have spoken up about Metal Sonic.

Tomorrow, I'm lynching one of: Dry-fit/SKOT/Saki/maybe Thor, but that's probably unviable in any case.

I'll try from now on to force myself to log on and check in on what's going on. But don't expect much more from me (I'm talking to you, Titus- I'm pretty sure this insane reasonless tunneling from one of my reluctant townreads is part of why I can't feel bothered to play.)

[marquis]