Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Aegor]

Wait, we are still in pregame, right?

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VOTE: Saki

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Ew. Did not realize how many hydrai were in the game.

I recommend that we lynch within the hydrai.

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Ew. Did not realize how many hydrai were in the game.

I recommend that we lynch within the hydrai.

>signs up for the 21st out of 22 slots
>recommends a hydra policy lynch

[Aegor]

nope. I ain't no scumbad.

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i'm serious though

you knew what you were getting into, so you don't have the right to bitch about the number of hydras

Have we left RVS? Because I have not.

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I like Jordan. I feel that I want to lynch mastin.

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And I've just started reading, so has it been mentioned that the number of light and dark players being exactly equal by chance seems very unprobable?

It is the single most likely outcome, although the outcome of a Neutral polarity is less likely than Light/Dark polarities.

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Hydrai: If you would be so kind, please include names of hydra members in sigs. Otherwise, please sign posts. Thanks.

Mastin's town. My vote switches to
VOTE: Jordan

Please elaborate, as has been requested.

You can use whatever fancy phraseology you want mate, when something pings to me I jump on it.

Vote: Saki.

That naked vote on sharpest knife is the scummiest thing in the game so far. Naked votes come more often from scum in my experience and Saki picked a bad target.

I also have suspicion of Xayzeck and Jordan. Xay I just can't really see where he's coming from in his posts. Jordan is gut but somehow his posts just don't read genuine. No one looks particularly towny but I guess Sharpest knife and Necro seem towny due to interactions with other players.

Also kind of worried PV's questioning is kind of rolefishy.

Those are my observations after a half-assed quick readthrough.

This is just awful in every way. Inaccurate appeal to general meta to justify a baseless vote. Suspecting players seemingly at random, when said players are the only coherent ones in the whole game. Lack of commitment in general. Badbadbad.

VOTE: Dry-fit

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You know, normally, I'm the one pushing for a Dry-fit lynch. (Granted, normally, Dry-fit has been town when I've done so. ) This game, I can see the reasoning, but I don't really feel like it's valid for some reason.

Putting aside the absurdity of factoring your nebulous feelings into my thought process, how is this, if anything, not an argument for lynching Dry-Fit, given your past record?


Dry-fit continues to be awful. I do like TD's brief case on Xay, but more as a reflection on TD than Xay. Necro hydra should die.

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aegor is so obvscum, it hurts

aegor is so obvscum, it hurts

see: the fake "stick up his ass"-shtick about hydras.
see: the continual pushing of us and the vote on dry-fit (we already have defenders/wagon-detractors; dry-fit can't say the same)

Hydra PL comment was half-joke, half-venting. Although I was getting ready to calculate the probability that a randomly selected maf team included at least one hydra.

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If the players starting with A had some undesirable trait, I absolutely would.

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VOTE: Necro[/vote

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Mod, please fix tags in above post & count vote, if possible.

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Mod: thanks for the clarification

VOTE: Necro

[Aegor]

if only i had a million vig kills for this

So much meta argumenting... My head hurts....

You people are bad and you should feel bad.

+1000000


I really want Necro to die. If they are scum, I would consider that the cherry on top. No one else has done anything interesting. Xay may be scum. Dry-fit is also definitely scum, but the Necro hydra must return to the dead.

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i'm serious.

you don't get to join a game knowing full well there are hydras and then policy lynch.

we were first. replace out.

Your death is not mandated by your nature as a hydra.

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I am not pushing for a policy lynch; that is your own incorrect inference.

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And my original hydra PL statement was mostly a joke. Kind of.

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Alright Aegor I'll bite, why do you think Necro is scummy over Xay and Dry?

I think that the Necro hydra is more deserving of a lynch; that does not mean that I find it more scummy necessarily. I can believe player 1 is scummier than player 2 but still advocate for 2's lynch based on other factors, e.g. information generated by the lynch, general effect on the game, influence 2 has on other players, etc.

The hydra's posts in general are irrational, devoid of content, full of vague feelings, and extremely aggressive and defensive. One can verify this easily through an ISO.

Also why are Xay and dry scummy, in your own words.

I addressed dry in a post; ISO me and ask me again if you have questions or could not find my explanation.

Xay is gut. TBH, part of that is others' suspicions; had they not been expressed, I may not be subconsciously seeking some reason to find Xay's posts scummy. That read is definitely subject to change/solidification.

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so, it's because you don't like me/mastin personally? i guess i don't know what you mean by this, then.

that's an even worse reason and if your dislike of mastin and i goes

that

deep, you shouldn't have signed up for this game.

I have absolutely nothing against either of you. Furthermore, I have no problem with your (Anti's) playestyle at all. I just think it is likely you are scum and that even if you are not, your hydra is having a deleterious effect on the game and should be excised like a malignant tumor.

Yay for similes, although I use that one often enough that I should branch out.

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OK,

before

we went down the rabbit hole of bullshit with SKOT and Fear in the last few pages, where did any of this happen?

i'm going to completely disengage from aegor before i really do say something to him that gets me banned.

Chillax, man. You are more than welcome to point me in the direction of your probing scumhunting. I would expect a bountiful supply given the percentage of this thread that consists of your hydra's spam.

let me let you all in on something.

yes, i'm cranky. yes, i'm defensive. you know why? because the primary thing against us has been "no content" which is such a shitty accusation given our posting. and the most aggravating thing is that nobody is actually attempting to go to our posting and say "hey, these posts [link], [link], and [link] right here are scummy and you guys are scumfucks." the accusations have largely been "you guys suck, you're not posting content, you get in bad arguments. vote: necro" and that's it (see: fear's vote in post 390)

since there's no real substance, there's no argument to be made. the only thing i can do is go "nuh uh". and then everyone comes into the thread and wonders

why

my blood pressure shoots through the roof whenever i post in this thread.

Again, the easy counter is by pointing to the actual substance your hydra has provided. Maybe I missed it: although I have read the thread, there is a large amount of content produced each 20 mins, it seems.

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VOTE: jordan

I am really not getting this. If anything, Jordan is my only townread. What is the deal?

[Aegor]

Jordan_Downey (Jingle/Aphix)


never heard of these people, damn no meta

Scum meta for Jordan, in which game I also drew after hardclaiming scum.

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Didn't you get NKed in that game?

No...?

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Aegoe I was not talking to you.

No wonder I was so confused.

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Have been reading the thread. Have basically nothing new to add. Skipped all posts that involved meta.

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Also, the case on talah is dumb and I still want the anti/mastin hydra dead for many reasons.

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Also, the case on talah is dumb and I still want the anti/mastin hydra dead for many reasons.

you're still unengaged scum and i know it

I am sure I will get lynched in due time, so your knowledge will not have been acquired in vain.

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Is anyone strongly townreading Dry-Fit?

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Not liking Aegor's push on me. He ust says my posts are bad but

doesn't give any reason to think they're scum motivated

.

Motivation is not always relevant to whether something is scummy.

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In what world Aegor? Isn't motivation by definition the only actual difference between scum and town? There are actions we see as scummy, styles we call scum styles, opportunism bussing and such, but as far as reads go, isn't motivation everything?

Nope. If an argument requires assuming scum motivation, it is not a very good one.

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I look for posts that I believe come from scum, regardless of whether I think there is intent. Many of the damning posts could easily have been made without conscious intent (without which intent is not really possible, at least given the definition in use here).

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I mean, I do want want to this to devolve into a theory discussion, but asking "Does this post likely come from scum?" is not the same thing as asking "Is there scum intent in this post?"

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I am also completely aware of the fact that, Mastin's stance on Talah is strong enough so that, arguing against it is probably futile, leaving her alive long enough will pretty much be a huge distraction to mastin, and him flipping town would probably serve as a strong enough catalyst in making a hard-reset D2 which will probably make mastin that much more useful as town

I hope you are aware of how terrible this reasoning is. First, it assumes that mastin is town. Second, you are essentially advocating lynching a player who may be town so that another obsessive player may be useful in the future. Really?

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@Dry-fit: 246

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TSO, I read your ISO and catchup post that included your Xayzeck vote, but it did not really explain what you found hella scummy in this posts. Would you please elaborate?

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Yes, given that your argument is that he is obviously scum. That is a bad argument.

#36 gives me my first scumread of the game in Xayzeck - I've seen him as both alignments and the OMGUS part doesn't fit with my memories of town-Xay.

He mentioned OMGUS as a joke and that suggests he is scum because of some meta? Either I am missing some damning clue here or this is total bullshit.

#63 is more weirdness from Xayzeck - getting a feeling I'm onto something here.

What is weird?

#101 Xayzeck is officially scumfuck #1.

What bothers you? Lack of concern about votes? Denial of baiting?

more Xayzeck being scum, especially #199

How on earth is this scummy?

[Aegor]

Uhh... no? I take it you aren't a very guts/emotive/relationship type of player, because if you were you would know the difficulty behind making reads on players with said relationship, and how unlikely it is for a read on them to be change

Translation into English please?

VOTE: Necro if I am not already.

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Non-voters, (please) vote. No one is in danger of a lynch, so there really is no reason not to be voting someone.

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Uhh... no? I take it you aren't a very guts/emotive/relationship type of player, because if you were you would know the difficulty behind making reads on players with said relationship, and how unlikely it is for a read on them to be change

Translation into English please?

VOTE: Necro if I am not already.

In your mind, everyone is a robot with the ability to think. Unfortunately, that isn't how life works

First, no. And I am sure you recognize the arrogance of simply asserting what other people are thinking. Second, that does not actually address my initial response to your post at all. Your course of action is terrible regardless of mastin's alignment.

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I look forward to any future votes on me!

Aegor- no, I am just making an assumption as to what kind of player you are (that being a player that wholly relies on logic) to which, imo, means you probably ignore the personal and individual factors in a game.

That in mind, you'll probably never understand my stance on mastin (who I think is pretty fucking town, if not obv town who is also usually a player I scum read off the bat). You will probably never understand the degree of difficulty behind dropping the kind of read she has on talah, or the degree of dificulty behind convicing her to do otherwise. likewise, I will probably never understand logical bases people make in a game, so its useless trying to get me to do so.

Talah is also, at best null who really hasnt done anything that stands out as town, and isnt really a player that I know to well and is probably better off trusting those who know and can read him.

This still makes no sense. You are advocating basing the lynch of the >15 player town on what would intellectually free a single player. There are plenty of players others than talah who have even less reason to stay alive, and given Necro's current push, I know firsthand that mastin's/Antihero's reads are shit.

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

Necro must die, but
VOTE: Dry-fit, because you should die first.

[Aegor]

The hydra should absolutely be vigged regardless of alignment, but my current read is scum-null.

[Aegor]

@Marquis

: If I have to pick between scum/town, "Scum." Otherwise, "developing."

the only reads you have in a 17 player game is on.... 3 slots?!

Yep. Why should I have more?

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VOTE: MafiaSSK

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VOTE: Xayzeck

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I want to policy lynch you or something, I don't even care anymore.

now, that's how you fucking do it.

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VOTE: Dry-Fit

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Dry-fit is a better wagon than Xay

Aegor is a perfect compromise lynch. Does anyone here have a townread on him?

This is such crap given that he has done exactly nothing all game.

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I don't know what your point is here.

That you are full of BS. You basically posted nothing until 742, your sixth post. In that post, you straight-up OMGUS me. You have not changed your vote since then and have contributed nothing. You then suggest I am a good "compromise lynch," which would be far more compelling had you actually done anything all game. As your ISO stands, you have done jack shit and are now suggesting -- without any reason, of course -- that I am somehow a good "compromise lynch" even though that question had not been raised at all.

That is hella scummy.

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Rach, ZZZX, talah, PV, Zdenek, Shiny, Fear

: please move votes onto someone with more than one vote.

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Still want Dry-Fit lynched. May move to a different wagon later today.

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VOTE: Jordan

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VOTE: Xayzeck

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VOTE: Jordan

The Aegor haters still have three days to mobilize.

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TSO, I think your math is off. Pretty sure he is at L-1 right now.

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I am having trouble following the reasoning here: how would staying neutral help when "solving for alignment" beyond being able to verify that someone lied about his polarity?

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My Dry-fit wagon is gaining traction!

VOTE: Dry-Fit

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yeah but I've played with Aegor-town and he's actually good

, not this fucking vote-anything-to-save-my-arse halfwit who's beyond VI.

To be fair to myself, it is difficult for me to manage mentally this many players, especially since some seem overly interested in meta. But I have been hella useless this game, I admit. But lynch Dry-Fit.

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Aegor said I was scum for "bad posts" even though he acknowledges those posts don't have any scum intent behind them.

First, I never said that there was no scum intent. Second, there does not need to be conscious intent for a post to be scummy. It could be scummy because of something that the poster overlooked. I do not know why this is a difficult concept to grasp.

Has pretty well tunneled that vote and sees to think it's a slam dunk for unknown reasons. Aegor also has been playing in self-preservation mode switching to whatever is the leading wagon at the time.

Yep.

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Still here; happy to answer questions. I probably will not be insipid tomorrow, but I can guarantee that my activity will continue to be superior to Dry-Fit's.

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Dry-Fit and Necro should be lynched/vigged. Not much other than that.

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Aegor is L-1. Aegor please claim your role.

well if Aegor does not show up and claim, then he needs to go bye bye. That is "antitown" behavior, period. Drawing things out and waiting to last minute to claim is also "antitown" imo...

First of all, I was at work until now. Second, why would I claim prematurely? Your suggestion that I should have claimed at some indefinite point in the past is absurd. We have already had two claims. In one day. That is bad.


I am not claiming. Feel free to hammer me. I may even do it myself if we reach deadline. Of course, I would rather Dry-fit get lynched.

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Do it

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And let me know how your fishing trip is going.

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You said "drawing things out and waiting to last minute to claim is also 'antitown.'" I very reasonably inferred that such a statement was directed toward me. There was no misrep.

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Let me know how you feel about that assessment tomorrow.