Mini 1579: The Great Flavor Caper (Game Over)

[Elyse]

Just posting to say I'm here. Will read up later.

[Elyse]

yay I can town read Slandaar for once

That's a bit hasty.

Either Mirhawk and Jake B are no fun town or scum looking for any reason to portray someone else as scum. Voting Bacde for "strongarming" the town is dumb.

And Chaoslord segways into manipulation in post two.

Unvote

Vote: Chaoslord

@Bacde - You mistake my intent. Whats really important here is that everyone understands they should listen to me instead of you.

Never mind I like this guy ^^ (and his vote)

But Josh B seems like no fun town, but still town nonetheless.

Random.org says VOTE: Elyse.

Let's see what happens.

Really? Nothing else you want to comment on?

And Chaoslord segways into manipulation in post two.

It was not my intent to manipulate. I just feel that he makes a good argument on why we should vote Slandeer but would like a little more evidence before I chose to vote on his side. If I came off manipulative then that was not was I intended at all

Lol i think you are taking page one a little too seriously

I probably am. Sorry this is my first game so I may have taken it a little too seriously as you mentioned

These posts are too apologetic which seems like newbscum to me. I think newbtown would be a little more adamant about his own position.

And as Bacde says below, it wasn't a good argument. And Bacde then provided the link, so if you thought it was a good argument, why aren't you voting for Slandaar?:

Lol good argument?

It was a weak argument at best, and imho it was a nonargument

Its silly anyone even cared about the link, because as i expected, it did not affect anything in this game

I'll keep it in mind, but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

So basically, you pressured me for a link for no reason?

No. I pressured you for the existence of the link, not necessarily the content of the link. But the content of the link suggests that you are still a little sour about that game, and possibly trying to use it to invent scuminess when there isn't much to go on. Until, I feel like there's more likelyhood that what you say is true, or I feel like there isn't anything else to go on, I'll be looking else where and consider you on the block if he flips town.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE

I find it curious that you've taken Bacde's D1 vote on Slandarr so seriously.

It was apparent to me that he was fishing for reactions and the initial argument on Slandarr wouldn't make it past 2-3 pages. Your last sentence also bothers me "...and consider you on the block if he flips town." It seems to me you're giving yourself convenient options for a vote down the line if a Slandarr lynch were to occur.

I think I agree with this post.

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How would i be sour about that game? It was over a year ago and town won

Then why would you bring it up?

VOTE: bacde[/quote]
Why would this make Bacde scum?

RVS a serious thing, seriously...

vote JoshB-

add on TYR's outstanding post and this is no brainer.

Yikes!

This gives me bad vibes and it seems like you are just trying to rush a lynch. I don't think there's such a thing as a "no brainer" on page 3 unless it's a scumclaim.

@Knife
What about Yankees post makes "outstanding"? It's a good point but I'm not seeing as how anything in it is indicative of anything other then JB not thinking before he posts.

You're obviously getting a hard scum vibe from it, mind explaining why YOU think JB's scum or are you just trying to float with the current town attitude.

Really like you.

Not sure if JB is scum or bad town. Will need to see more but I would not be upset with a lynch on him at this point, but obviously we need more time in the day to allow other players (including myself) to post more.

Right now I'll vote for chaoslord because my scumread on him stands alone. I am leaning scum on knife too but my read will be influenced by JB's flip so I'd rather lynch JB over knife.

VOTE: chaoslord

P-edit:
@reinoe

Instead of getting pissy at bacde for calling you out on sidelining, would like to comment on Josh B or knife?

[Elyse]

P-edit:
@reinoe

Instead of getting pissy at bacde for calling you out on sidelining, would like to comment on Josh B or knife?

It's not sidelining if people are discussing the merits of RVS and the analysis thereof.

Josh B? His posts aren't great and it looks like sloppy scumhunting. At least he's making an effort.

Sharpest? His vote is only the third on josh so it's no big deal.

Unrelated: I like Mirhawks thought process so we're on the same page there. It considers several possibilities instead of just of just locking into conclusions. With that being said.

You do realize your bacde vote is terrible, right? Are you going to pretend to stubborn and pretend to believe in it or are you going to remove it?

Also, if Josh B's posts aren't great and it looks like sloppy scumhunting, then why would you assume he is town? (This is in reference to saying newbscum would go after him)

Furthermore, if you think newbscum would go after Josh, then why isn't knife's vote on him troubling?

@Elyse

I think that me being apologetic is not being scummy. It's just that since this is my first game I feel a little guilty because I feel like I was being influenced a little too quickly at the beginning of the game and posting too quick before thinking out my posts and I just don't want to annoy people so I'm trying to think it out a little more before I comment. That's why I also mentioned that for now I want to hear more comments before I take a vote.

Ok...

So why didn't you vote for Slandaar if you thought Bacde presented a strong argument and then later substantiated it?

If you can answer this question to my satisfaction I will switch my vote to reinoe, so make it good.

[Elyse]

Chaoslord is cautious, that pretty much sums the whole thing up. Also, we both know what Chaoslords response will be and you'll have to unvote him afterwards anyways so why drag it out?

I actually don't know what his response will be.

I agree that Reinoe's vote on bacade is weak, but why is he your back up vote?

Haven't liked anything he's posted.

@Elyse
I first thought that Bacde had a strong argument only because his was the first in the game and since this is my first game I thought about it and realized that it sounded good but before I had a chance to vote I saw how many people starting commenting how it wasn't a strong argument and Bacde himself said that his argument was a weak one at best in post 43 and he also pointed out that I was taking the first page a little too serious so I decided that I shouldn't vote for Slandaar yet because people had already pointed out he was not actually being scum. That's why I'm taking my time before I vote now and why I did not choose to vote for Slandaar.

@Mirhawk
If you were expecting this answer ^^ from chaos then good job I guess but I wasn't expecting something like this. I didn't know what to expect. His answer is ehhh I don't see it as completely town like Bacde but I'll probably move my vote anyway.
UNVOTE:

1. Your vote is on chaoslord and it's a red-herring vote, so you're the last person to talk about "bad votes".

Say what? My vote on chaoslord isn't a "red herring" and even if it was that doesn't make your vote good. The strength of your vote is shown when you change it in this very post.

2. How do you know I'm assuming he's town? You see the part where several people are waiting on responses? That's the proper thing to do. I don't think Josh's post are so bad that he deserves to be at L-3: which I personally feel is a tipping point on a d-1 lynch. You do see the part where I said "at least he's trying" right? That doesn't mean I think he's town or scum it just means he's putting in effort.

I said you assumed he was town when you said newbscum would go after him. Unless you are insinuating newbscum would go after their own partner?

3. I didn't like bacde's response. You do realize people have differing opinions on things right? You're being really presumptious and pushy too. You're making all kinds of assumptions about other players.

"Presumptious" (presumptuous) and pushy aren't scum behaviors and what kind of assumptions am I making? The only one I can think of is that you are townreading Josh because newbscum would go after him. I'm only assuming that because it doesn't make sense if you think he's scum.

4. Newbscum would put Josh at L-3, that previously mentioned tipping point. The fact that chaoslord wanted to wait before putting down a vote suggests that he's not newbscum.

This is just silly. An arbitrary tipping point and specific behaviors you decided do not make someone scummy or not scummy.

5. And I don't care that Josh had three votes because he's "earned" those three votes. His posting isn't great but I don't think he deserves to have a developing wagon: at least not before he clarifies a few things.

So if someone put the fourth vote on him, you would care? Is that because it's past this "tipping point" you've created?

VOTE: reinoe

Because chaoslord not voting josh being a town move only makes sense if josh is town. If josh was scum, and chaos was scum, wouldnt not voting josh actually be more of a scum move?

Reinoe you never responded to this properly. This is why I am assuming you are townreading Josh. Your reluctance to state your read on him looks like you keeping your options open to vote him.

The tone of Elyse's posts suggests a soft attack on you without taking a solid position. Her vote on chaoslord was ridiculous, especially seeing as how she told him exactly how to remove it. If feels to me like she was looking for a place to temporarily place her vote so she wouldn't have to commit to one of the serious wagons.

I think I took a solid position when I said I would be voting reinoe.

I never told chaoslord how to make him remove my vote and what are the "serious wagons"? Josh? Is that it?

I'm entirely uninterested with Slandaar v Titus and would be ok with lynching Josh or reinoe.

[Elyse]

So are you actually going to respond to anything I say?

I would've kept my vote on him but you were scummier so I moved it.

[Elyse]

My vote on reinoe has nothing to do with Slandaar or you.

[Elyse]

Was that supposed to be funny?

[Elyse]

Can you explain your townread on him?

I don't see it at all. Similar to you does not mean town, just irritating.

[Elyse]

I can get the synergy thing from you but I don't see the other stuff.

[Elyse]

I'm not going to respond to reinoe's entire wall because it boils down to this:

To say newbscum would go after JoshB and newbtown wouldn't is ok, but you have to take into consideration JoshB's alignment. If JoshB is scum, then what you are saying doesn't make sense. So you assumed JoshB was town in your statement, and that is scummy because it looks like you already know he is town.

I didn't give instructions on how chaoslord can get me to remove my vote on him. His response didn't make me remove my vote - your scumminess did. I'm not going to keep my vote on someone who I don't have as big a scumread on.

@Titus
People are certainly unintentionally manipulative. Bacde is my strongest townread because we are seeing a lot of the same things and he is literally obvtown to me. His motivations are protown and all of his reads make sense and have reasons behind them. I know you have a crush on reinoe but he's scum.

[Elyse]

Saying "WE HAVE SYNERGY!!!1111!" isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

You can manipulate unintentionally. I'm not going to continue to argue this point because it's not really relevant.

Bacde's logic is sound. Please show me his invalid logic. Weak players can be scum, and pacman isn't typically a lurker AFAIK so I don't see the problem there either.

[Elyse]

How do I assume josh B is town? Let me break it down in a rudimentary chart...

Chaoslord newbtown=doesn't vote josh at the time because he wants clarification
this has no bearing on whether josh is town or scum.

chaoslord newbscum=does vote josh at the time because it's opportunistic
this would make josh town.

I really don't know how to say it any other way. You're the only person who's insinuating anyone knows anyone's alignment.

Saying that newbscum would vote josh insinuates josh is town. It doesn't matter if chaos is or isn't, but saying that in the first place insinuates it.

p: edit. If I know josh is town, and I'm scum why aren't I now pushing for his mislynch!!! josh's responses have certainly been shaky enough for more votes. Good god, why don't you point those powers of perception at yourself. I'm not sure on josh and I'm certainly not going to put a vote on someone I'm not sure on.

Maybe because you would look opportunistic? Maybe because scum don't push every mislynch possible? Maybe because it contradicts your other posts?

Oh wait, if you're sure both me and josh are scum why aren't you voting for josh. OMG OBSCUM TEAM IN SLANDAAR/ELYSE.

I'm not sure josh is scum??? Never said that.

[Elyse]

After pacman was prodded, Bacde said the slot might be scum. In my experience, pacman doesn't lurk so I assumed he was calling him scum for that.

[Elyse]

So you're assuming Bacde's logic, assuming that lurking is scummy by pacman because meta without verifying...you know that's sound...bullshit.

I don't need to verify anything. I've played with town Pacman and he was a lot more active than this. Want a link?

Yet you cannot accept me thinking Reinoe is town because of the fact I have a town pm and she's reacting like me therefore obvtown. Sounds like you have a built in bias towards accepting whatever Bacde says, or daychat but you realized Bacde posted no logic when I asked that question.

I said I understand you thinking he's town but it won't make me share your view.

I also take note that you side stepped the daychat question.

No I don't share daychat with bacde. What were you expecting me to say?

After pacman was prodded, Bacde said the slot might be scum. In my experience, pacman doesn't lurk so I assumed he was calling him scum for that.

And if I had evidence of lurker town Pacman?

I would hope you show me rather than waving it around in my face.

[Elyse]

Yeah that's what everyone has been saying.

[Elyse]

Annoyed.

Everyone keeps saying "I'm giving off scum vibes". I can't defend against anything and it's frustrating.

[Elyse]

@Titus
Here is a game where town pacman was very active:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=32269

Is it SOOO bizarre that I would agree that lurker pacman might be scum???? You are too stubborn to think that maybe, just maybe, people might have different opinions on players and they can be valid too!!!

Care to expound upon the daychat thing you were going on about? You said you needed my answer before you could elaborate, and I find that asinine since I would never reveal that as scum or mason or whatever has daychat.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Josh B

He lurked away pressure and came back barely responding to what was directed at him. It seems like he's trying to make people forget he was scummy rather than explain himself and I don't like it.

[Elyse]

Whatever I can't be bothered arguing people clearly don't read, vig, all votes to Titus.

I've totally read. So has Reinoe and anyone else voting you.

Of course you want me dead. It's an easy place to vote park since I'm not getting lynched cuz I'm obvtown. So you can just go throw yourself and you're team a pity party.

You're not obvtown at all.

The only obvtown is Bacde.

[Elyse]

Yay now we can all sing kumbayah around the campfire!!!!!

That seems exactly like a textbook bad bus.

[Elyse]

I do NOT like reinoe suggesting we continue to lynch Slandaar while simultaneously unvoting him.

[Elyse]

I have absolutely no intent to pressure a lynch on slandaar. As I said earlier my prolonged suspicion was due meta reasons.

Elyse is spreading paranoia and has lost all capacity to look at my posts objectively because she's confirmation biased to the max.

Um no you were saying he might be a serial killer in the same exact post you unvoted him. I get you're not pushing a lynch anymore but you seemed to be holding out hope someone would continue to push him (hi Titus) and you could hop back on.

[Elyse]

Hm? I don't purposely ignore questions. Just ask me again or quote it or something. I just didn't see it.

And that's a terrible reason to scumread someone.

[Elyse]

Did you ask me anything directly that I didn't answer, or were you going off of me not answering MirHawk and SKOT?

When I said "explain yourself" I meant explaining the things people found you scummy for, not just answering questions.

[Elyse]

I quoted all of the posts I wanted to respond to and most were about JoshB, but now he's an un cc'd doc...oh well.

Although I feel that Wake's actions are scummy as well, I really feel that Titus is the scummiest. She keeps aggresively pushing for Slandaar while seeming to completely ignore the legitimate reasons that everyone else is posting about why we shouldn't lynch him.

Shut up scum. If town has backbone, you'd be dead already.

We do have a backbone we just don't see any logic in your arguments. Until you back off of Slandaar and start contributing in other ways I call scum.

Vote Titus

This post almost makes me reverse my read to a strong townread on chaoslord. His reasoning makes sense and is something I would expect from newbtown and I might be underestimating him, but using "we" when referring to the town seems like a townslip, kinda.

Definitely? I think that Titus's play is town. I was in a game with him recently where he was scum, and his play is remarkably different,
But If anyone is definitely town, it's me. If anyone is definitely Scum it's Slandaar. If Titus is scum, you are definitely his scum partner.
This is why Pacman's reads are definitely crap.
I think I understand a few players, but TSO WTF? Sarcasm, I hope.

Don't talk to me about alignment in question bacde, if I were scum, I would have pressed for your lynch, NOT try save your ass. Fuck it. You're the only one that I'd be uncomfortable lynching right now and SKOT, he is town.

VOTE: Titus

This can die now. Blantant survival vote. Voting a townread.

My apologies.

VOTE: JoshB

Yes I agree with this, but now that he's a doc it kindaaaa makes sense???

(SKOT is a fine policy kill which nets guaranteed towncred. Titus is not)

Yeah I wanted to kill SKOT if Josh flipped town because I still think they were bussing.

Slandaar is definetly scum. He admitted to not being town aligned. This read is crap.

What is this? Is it a joke? Where did he admit to being not town aligned and why aren't you voting him?
Also saying "not town aligned" makes it seem like Josh thinks he's scum, but is scum himself, so he says "not town aligned" instead of just "scum".

I also hated that post where Josh felt the need to discredit every single one of pacman's reads.

am I the only one not buying this?

I'm hesitant on buying it as well but I would hate myself if we lynched the doctor after he was cc'd.

Also, pacman, since when am I known to be wrong?

Bacde and TSO are my strongest townreads, followed by Slandaar. I have liked pacman's posts but I need more to feel comfortable. Titus is back and forth, because I don't think she's dumb enough to actually want to lynch Slandaar (meaning she's scum), but I also don't think she would advocate that as scum because she would obviously take heat for it if he flipped town.

[Elyse]

*after he was un cc'd

[Elyse]

Elyse, slandaar is vig, That makes him Third Party in my book. Whether or not he can be leashed is still to be determined by his judgment. The fact that he said Vig and not Serial Killer, makes me feel like he can be leashed. Pacman calling him town is a leap of faith at best, and scummy.

Vigs are town.

@Titus
It's not actually a townslip, but it seemed town to me especially coming from a newer player. I dunno. He seemed put off and almost offended by saying the town has no backbone, and he wouldn't feel that way if he was scum.

And yeah I'm fencesitting on you because I don't know how to read you. Would you rather me make up a reason or flip a coin?

[Elyse]

Why Slandaar?

Does anyone think massclaim would be an option?

[Elyse]

I'm not comfortable lynching the claimed PRs without massclaim. I still think that's the best route to go.

[Elyse]

I will respond to what reinoe said later when I'm off my phone.

Titus, can you articulate why you're voting for me? You have been saying I am scum for quite a while now and have never voted me despite being possibly your longest scumread. I feel like you don't actually have legitimate reasons and that's why you've held off I'm voting for me. So I'd like you to put your money where your mouth is.

[Elyse]

I never said you couldn't have a townread on reinoe.

The second reason is terrible and you know it. You and I are always on opposite spectrums regardless of alignment.

I can't argue against your gut but that seems like a cop out.

It seems I was right.

[Elyse]

Yeah you pretty much did. We had a whole argument that you said that being in sync with someone logically is not a good reason to townread them.

Please quote that. I said it's not good to convince anyone else. I accepted it as valid though.

The second reason, alone, would not suffice. However, toss it in with everything else and it is part of the reason why I scumread you.

You don't have an "everything else".

It's not a copout to say that meta seems consistent.

You said gut, not meta. If you would like to bring up specific examples, go ahead.

You went into this trying to "explain away" the reasons why I scumread you.

No, I went into this exposing you for not having the reasons you say you do.

The problem is my reasons are valid.

The only valid reason you have is gut. And your gut is wrong.

You've been trying to discredit everything that's come out of my mouth since I started townreading Reinoe.

Untrue. Please show how I've been doing this. I've questioned your townread on reinoe, said continuing to lynch Slandaar is dumb, and questioned your scumread on me. You have had some posts I agree with, but I'm not the type of person that says "Good post Titus! I agree completely!" all the time, especially if I'm not townreading you.

Now that the noose is getting closer, you feel the need to attack me directly and pretty much state no reason is good.

You've given three reasons as to why I'm scum.
One isn't true.
One isn't scummy.
One is gut.

It's not my fault you have nothing to back up what you're saying.

VOTE: Titus

I know you're going to call this OMGUS but I don't care. I've shown you are bullshitting your read on me and your primary lynch targets are either universally townread (Bacde) or a claimed PR (Slandaar) so you settle for me when you're not even scumreading me hard. That's not town Titus.

P-edit:
Slandaar, I agree that his tone has been off. I actually am enjoying him this game, but usually he's more aggressive. His whole issue with SKOT seemed almost tame and forced compared to his usual self.

[Elyse]

I could go for Elise, I've had my eye on her since that chaoslord thing at the beginning of the game. I don't think any of her subsequent behavior is particularly scummy, but I don't think she's looking for scum very hard either. That business between her and reinoe had the smell of trying to look busy while avoiding the other wagons.

Vote: Elyse

Please tell me this isn't a real vote.

Whats your take on the Elyse - Titus throwdown?

I've paid little attention to it. Elyse seems to be ignoring my presence, while my gut somewhat feels Titus is Scum. On the latter, I'll have to see more how she shifts to and fro in the wind.

You haven't done much to interest me aside from your claim. I think your frustration makes you lean town but I don't have much else to say.

[Elyse]

Vote: Elyse

Please tell me this isn't a real vote.

Oh noees, Princess Elyse, who hasn't done shit all game, is faced with the reality that you can't sit in the corner and criticize other people all goddamn damn.

Regardless of your opinion of me, Mirhawk's vote was shitty beyond belief. Get your tunnel vision glasses off and wake the fuck up.

You haven't done much to interest me aside from your claim.

Town try to understand players and get reads on them. Once again we have Elyse sitting on the sidelines trying not to draw attention. The only time she does anything to understand players is sort post 71. Then she spends nearly half her posts trying to challenge Titus on her town read on me. Which isn't actually scumhunting.

This is just plain false. I don't have much of a read on Wake because nothing he is posting gives me a read. That's what I mean by interests me. And if half of my posts are about Titus' townread on you (a gross misrep), then two thirds of yours are about me.

I think your frustration makes you lean town but I don't have much else to say.

And yet when I have to get drunk just to address your posts you label me as scum. OBVIOUS DOUBLE STANDARD IS OBVIOUS. LYNCH HER PLEASE.

Hm?

I agree that reinoe is probably town now because of the whole font color escapade. The post Josh B quoted from the mod is very interesting. Why didn't you bring that up sooner? It makes me weary of lynching a PR atm.

I know reinoe and Titus are pushing hard for my lynch, but there is literally no case on me. I'm just asking you to actually think about why I am being voted for before you consider joining.

Right now, I want to lynch Titus. She's buddying the hell out of reinoe and pushing a shit lynch on me. Town Titus would stick to her guns and continue to push for her number one lynch.

[Elyse]

I give up honestly.

Hopefully you guys can reevaluate and figure this out Day 2 because I've had it.

[Elyse]

VT

[Elyse]

I just want to say that I'm not terrible at this game and I've only been mislynched once, but I can't say anything without being attacked here. I think it's in the towns best interest to get rid of me so they can focus on finding actual scum.

[Elyse]

I know.

I'm just not used to being lynched and it's frustrating because there are barely any legitimate reasons for it. I know someone will come in here and saying I'm AtEing so I'm just going to stop now.

[Elyse]

I don't think a game where I fakeclaimed mason (and won!) as scum is a good meta example, Titus.

I would be up for a TYR wagon because there's nothing there and I feel like someone other than TSO would have brought him up if he was town.

[Elyse]

I'm not scum so I don't care which example you provide because it won't match.

I'm just saying that's a shitty choice.

[Elyse]

Titus I just have one convo with you that isn't riddled with jabs and insults? (I mean that from both ends)

Your "case" on me comes down to three things:

1. Not accepting your townread on reinoe.

I DID accept this, so it's irrelevant.

2. Disagreeing with you about almost everyone.

This isn't scummy.

3. Your gut/meta

I can't dispute that but when I get on my laptop I'll show you a town game that reminds of this game. I was playing poorly and AtE'd like hell and yeah...

[Elyse]

My internet went out and won't be fixed until tomorrow. I know this is really bad timing but I'll do my best to answer stuff from my phone.

[Elyse]

@Titus

I can get the synergy thing from you

but I don't see the other stuff.

Saying "WE HAVE SYNERGY!!!1111!" isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

Yet you cannot accept me thinking Reinoe is town because of the fact I have a town pm and she's reacting like me therefore obvtown. Sounds like you have a built in bias towards accepting whatever Bacde says, or daychat but you realized Bacde posted no logic when I asked that question.

I said I understand you thinking he's town but it won't make me share your view.

[Elyse]

As far as my meta, I rarely AtE as scum and don't do it as town much either. Titus' example showed me AtE'ing but it was because I fakeclaimed mason and had to pretend to be sorry for my actions when I was actually scum. So it's fake AtE and Titus using that as evidence shows how weak her case is. And Josh B stop confbiasing. I'm not scum and you're not cool for thinking I am.

I'm fine with showing you all of my meta. Just look at my topics and go through. Here is the game I feel is most like this one if anyone is interested:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=33249

@Mirhawk
I said reinoe was town for the font color thing.

@pacman
I thought that at first, but I think she's too dangerous for scum to keep alive if she's the real cop so it will solve itself eventually, which is why I'm starting to question if lynching her is the best move.

I originally had Mirhawk as a townread but it has since pretty much reversed itself. His vote on me is terrible. "I guess I could go for Elyse. After her initial thing with chaoslord she really hasn't done anything scummy." Wtf? He also accuses me of not trying to find scum and then says I should stop questioning reinoe. I don't get it. He's just fabricating reasons and is content with voting for a popular wagon he doesn't care about.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mirhawk

[Elyse]

Titus, no one gives town cases on anyone. Maybe it's the vibe they get (like your townread on reinoe!!) or something like that. No one can provide a town case for TYR, so should we lynch him? Your reasoning is flawed. I proved your point wrong about me not accepting your townread on reinoe and you just ignored me and now want to string me up because no one is give you a play-by-play as to why I'm town. Get over yourself. You're either wrong or scum. Prove to everyone you're just wrong.

[Elyse]

I QUOTED THE POSTS THAT SHOW I ACCEPTED TITUS' TOWNREAD AND SHE STILL SAYS I DIDN'T.

How do people not see this like what more can I do I don't understand.

[Elyse]

Titus you can't read on a 2nd grade level if you think that's what those quotes said. Stop being so stubborn god damn.

[Elyse]

Mirhawk, that is generally what I have been seeing as well. We're getting a lot of lynch anyone but Elyse but no solid reasons why she's town.

This is FUCKING BULLSHIT. When has that EVER been a reason to lynch someone? Can you just not accept that people have a townread on me? That you might be wrong? You keep looking for reasons as to why I'm town when you SHOULD be looking for ones as to why I'm scum since, you know, I'M BEING LYNCHED FOR NO REASON.

A quick recap of the game:
Beginning: A Lot of lurkers, and town bickering with one another.
Middle: Town agrees to lynch Elyse. Lurkers suddenly become active, and start tunneling on Titus.
Now: Tunneling on Titus continues.

Results: Elyse Lynch becomes a high information D1 lynch. Unfortunately, bickering continues. If you are town, get on this wagon and stop BSing.

What is this?

Your recap is wrong but it would point to a TITUS lynch being most informative. Why are you so set on lynching me? You don't have a case on me or anything. Your insistence on my lynch is off-putting.

There's a lot of hemming and hawing going on here when it should be fairly apparent whats actually going to happen.

There's not enough support to run Titus up today, so that's not happening. So unless we want to lynch a lurker, (which by the way will have to be yankee, which will give us no information) we more or less have to go for Elyse. Unless of course anyone thinks we should go for a claimed PR instead, which also isn't happening because of a lack of agreement on not only which of them is the scummiest, but whether or not it would better to wait to see if the PR situation resolves itself overnight anyways.

Also, I find TSO's continued insistence that we should pick someone else because we have "lots" of time scummy seeing as how he doesn't seem inclined to say why Elyse is a bad lynch or who we should lynch instead (aside from suggesting a lurker which is a frankly unhelpful statement).

This is once again bullshit. There is enough support to run up Titus. I don't know if you've realized this, but MOST PEOPLE don't think I'm scum. It's not a forgone conclusion that I'll be lynched today, so stop trying to make it that way.

Since a Mirhawk lynch isn't happening,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Her insistence that Slandaar could be scum while simultaneously screaming for my lynch just reeks of chaining lynches, especially because Slandaar is right in that it would be dumb to claim vig as scum.

Josh and SKOT, I hope you can see that Titus is the better lynch. Mirhawk, there is enough support for a Titus lynch so hop on if you want.

[Elyse]

Are you giving any thought to voting for Titus?

[Elyse]

Please stop focusing on the claiming aspect and start focusing on who is scum and who is town.

Why is Titus town/why am I scum?

[Elyse]

Or should I say, why don't you want to lynch Titus?

[Elyse]

So if I didn't claim you would be open to voting for Titus?

And you don't have an opinion on my alignment but are voting me to prevent another run-up?

What kind of backwards logic is that?

[Elyse]

Oh my god

[Elyse]

I'm surprised you can access your computer from so far up Titus' asshole, reinoe.

[Elyse]

It's basically down to Titus and me and Titus is scum.

[Elyse]

I have been scum hunting. There are no viable candidates with such a short amount of time left.

[Elyse]

*no other

[Elyse]

When the fuck did I want to lynch Wake? That's a blatant lie, Titus.

String her up.

[Elyse]

How many times do y'all gotta bullshit to save Elyse? It's all chainsaw to save her. I don't mind getting lynched if it is what I have to do, but it will be mutually assured destruction.

Boonskiies, can you tell me why the fuck you think Elyse is town?

Do you think I'm scum with Slandaar/TSO/Wake/pacman? People disagreeing with you does not make them scum. There can't be 5 scum in this game and I don't think that if I was scum, both of my buddies would come to bat for me.

What you are pushing is ridiculous and I'm happy the person who came in with fresh eyes sees it that way.

Lastly

I cannot in good faith vote Elyse today.

Twice now Titus has lied about what's up on my end, and that's twice too many.

I never defended Elyse, which Titus claimed, and Elyse never even hinted for my lynch, either. Throughout the game Elyse has been neutral about my alignment, while not pressing for my death—I know you know this.

Oh one more thing, lynch me and you'll die. (A) It will be obvious what lies

you

have told.

What the fuck is this

[Elyse]

I always assume there are three scum. Come on.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Titus

Why was it reset

[Elyse]

Is gladiator normal?

Is any vote-reset ability normal?

[Elyse]

vote elyse

why

[Elyse]

I don't know what the fuck is happening but why would anyone reset the vote count to save me? How does that even save me? Plus, Wake already put me to L-1 and nothing happened.

1286 is not good, TSO. What are you doing? You've been saying I was town this whole time. I didn't "slip" and Josh and SKOT are still butthurt over me saying they were bussing and are now refusing to work with me. I need more votes on Titus and I asked Mirhawk because he said she's not an option because there wasn't support. There clearly is and maybe Mirhawk is interested in the Titus wagon.

@Titus
Are you a dayvig? I don't see how you naturally come to the conclusion that a dayvig shot a bulletproof otherwise.

[Elyse]

Starting to feel that there is more evidence against her then anyone else represented so far. Switching my vote for now. Hope you guys are right about everything!

Vote:Elyse

There is NO evidence against me. What are you talking about?

[Elyse]

@SKOT
I was talking about Josh B.

[Elyse]

You just said there's more evidence against me. What is it?

[Elyse]

Yeah I agree his 180 makes no sense especially because there's no "new" evidence against me.

[Elyse]

Go ahead

[Elyse]

I got to L-1 before and nothing happened.

What do I need to explain?

Whatever chaos lord. You are going to look horrible when I flip town.

[Elyse]

And trust me this VC reset thing makes no sense to me either and when I flip VT you guys will be just as lost as you are now.

[Elyse]

I'm done with you

[Elyse]

Well, I'll VOTE: Elyse to get a claim. Should a claim be had I'll retract my vote.

VT

Alright.

UNVOTE: elyse

C'mon Elyse stop being coy. I know when I say "L-1" I mean someone is seriously about to be lynched not "Kitten slapping L-1 with no real danger".

I was town.

Bye.

[Elyse]

I have to admit her "fuck you guys I'm leaving" attitude is not that type of attitude a townie should have, especially not a plain old vanilla townie.

But I called her "Princess Elyse" because I think that self-entitled attitude might just be who she is.

Shut the fuck up. If anyone is self-entitled it's you. I can call the whole scumteam and you stupid fucks wouldn't listen to me because you're too wrapped up in yourselves to listen to someone who has been opposing you all game.

Usually I would give my last reads but it's not even worth it.

[Elyse]

The only reason you are still alive is your doc claim. Get off your high horse. If it weren't for the three PR claims and the immense egotism/stubbornness of reinoe, you, and SKOT, I would be alive. I'm mighty good at talking myself out of a lynch. I failed this time but it's not because I was scummy. It's because you guys were too busy circle jerking in confirmation bias to realize that I was being lynched on nothing. I'm not saying I'm not at fault for my own lynch because I should've been more proactive with scum hunting but it's hard when a good portion of the game refuses to even have a conversation with you.

P-edit:
Boon is my strongest scumread now. Chaos and Titus are second, followed by Bacde.

There is probably a liar among the PR claims but I'm considering them separate from everyone else because they can probably be figured out.

I am confident in SKOT, TSO, reinoe, and pacman town.