Mini 1579: The Great Flavor Caper (Game Over)

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catching up

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I'll keep it in mind, but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

So basically, you pressured me for a link for no reason?

No. I pressured you for the existence of the link, not necessarily the content of the link. But the content of the link suggests that you are still a little sour about that game, and possibly trying to use it to invent scuminess when there isn't much to go on. Until, I feel like there's more likelyhood that what you say is true, or I feel like there isn't anything else to go on, I'll be looking else where and consider you on the block if he flips town.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE

#61 - #64 is really fucking weird.

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yeah, that link's there because I meant to say it seems hopelessly naive to think Bacde was faking the existence of a game, which is easily provable, which Slandaar was also in.

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Titus vs Slandaar could have something to it; Titus, when has Slandaar "been strange" as scum before and what's strange about him this game?

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it's not necessarily scum-theatre; I'd love to call SKOT scum for it but to my chagrin I've learned that SKOT often pulls this kind of bad shit.

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#75 looks like you're coaching, Bacde.

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I feel like I'm being asked for a complete review of Mini 1393 in relation to Salandaar and Bacde. I'll have time to type all of that out tomorrow morning. I promise. Hold me to it. I just got back from the movies with my wife, and we have "plans".

I'm not sure Titus-Slandaar is T-T; I'm gonna call Bacde town for now because I like him, not because I really have a reason to, plus I need more time to figure him out. Reinoe is probably town, as is *sigh* SKOT.

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if you're coaching him legitimately, you must have seen a post of chaoslord which made you think he was Town pre-#75, what was it?

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I'll keep it in mind, but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

So basically, you pressured me for a link for no reason?

No. I pressured you for the existence of the link, not necessarily the content of the link. But the content of the link suggests that you are still a little sour about that game, and possibly trying to use it to invent scuminess when there isn't much to go on. Until, I feel like there's more likelyhood that what you say is true, or I feel like there isn't anything else to go on, I'll be looking else where and consider you on the block if he flips town.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE

It's a thing that newbtown often does where, when they accuse you, there's no aggression.

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I have no idea why I keep quoting that damn post.

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I find it curious that you've taken Bacde's D1 vote on Slandarr so seriously.

It was apparent to me that he was fishing for reactions and the initial argument on Slandarr wouldn't make it past 2-3 pages. Your last sentence also bothers me "...and consider you on the block if he flips town." It seems to me you're giving yourself convenient options for a vote down the line if a Slandarr lynch were to occur.

RVS is a serious thing, I admire the skill of other players who use it as a scum hunting tool. My initial PoE is that Bacde was using it to OMGUS and then asking that I totally trust him. The only thing I feel like I can be sure of right now is that Bacde is not on the scum team with Slandar.
The meta that Bacde provided seems legit if it wasn't so old and out of date, but I'm going to be looking for partners so I moved my vote off for now.

I'm not trying to argue that RVS means nothing in the scheme of a mafia game, but it was clear that his vote and reasoning was made to get reactions and not a serious ploy to bandwagon Slandarr all the way to a D1 lynch, something you've failed to realize especially with your next post:

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How would i be sour about that game? It was over a year ago and town won

Then why would you bring it up?

VOTE: bacde

Do you honestly think that he was trying to use a year old post to catch scum on the very first page?

I mean, I have no problem with this post, it's alright but it's nothing special.

hmmmm TYR with an outstanding post...

Well, it wasn't really.

RVS a serious thing, seriously...

vote JoshB-

add on TYR's outstanding post and this is no brainer.

This is him looking for an excuse to vote Josh, because calling RVS a serious thing isn't anything near a scumtell - RVS -is- serious, but regardless of your opinion, it's still not a scumtell.

It also kinda bugs me he called TYR's post "outstanding" twice.

TYR I think you bring up some great points, before I cast my vote though I want to hear Josh_B's defense.

I guess if he's newbtown this isn't as bad as I thought it was, but the latter half of this post looks scummy because it's scum trying to be way too openhanded and it's basically just not good, terrible explanation that may be.

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I looked at her stuff and it all seemed to kinda fly by me, but I'll look at her again.

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vote josh_b

Lol

Too easy

As I thought.

SKOT was jumping on this.

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The worst thing is that's probably not even alignment indicative.

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idk Slandaar's play kinda feels like his scum meta for whatever reason.

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What Wake's saying is that he never denied he was being manipulative, he just said it was by accident, and unintentional manipulation is a rather rare thing.

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#311 is really town.

I kinda disagree on Bacde-scum.

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nope, I meant #311.

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@Bacde
I was trying to choose the best words to reflect a complete answer for Wake88 and I think that when I was skimming through I caught some of the keywords from one of your posts and they just popped up as good words to make my point with. Did not mean to copy you though

How does this make Bacde town?

I ...never said it did. Bacde is Town in general.

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@Bacde
I was trying to choose the best words to reflect a complete answer for Wake88 and I think that when I was skimming through I caught some of the keywords from one of your posts and they just popped up as good words to make my point with. Did not mean to copy you though

How does this make Bacde town?

I ...never said it did. Bacde is Town in general.

That's what I thought you were saying. Why is Bacde town to you? Also comment on Slandaar and Elise please.

Elyse's recent post was decently convincing, so I'm leaning Elyse. Reinoe's reply will have to be good.

Bacde just is Town, I might ISO him in a bit.

Slandaar's maybe-scum, it doesn't feel like town-Slandaar.

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How is it taking this long to lynch slandaar? Anyone who does not vote slandaar after this post is confirmed mafia buddies with slandaar.

(Im looking at you, knife, who conveniently voted with "proof" of randomness)

I had the same reaction to SKOT's post.

I'll keep it in mind, but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

So basically, you pressured me for a link for no reason?

No. I pressured you for the existence of the link, not necessarily the content of the link. But the content of the link suggests that you are still a little sour about that game, and possibly trying to use it to invent scuminess when there isn't much to go on. Until, I feel like there's more likelyhood that what you say is true, or I feel like there isn't anything else to go on, I'll be looking else where and consider you on the block if he flips town.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE

How would i be sour about that game? It was over a year ago and town won

#47 is really bad and he calls it out.

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that's quite possibly the shittiest case I've ever made but I don't care. He just reminds me of me because I'm agreeing with everything he's saying.

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I feel like Josh is more likely to flip scum than Slandaar.

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TYR needs to post more.

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I don't see any logic of Bacde's at all that is decent but his early push on Slandaar.

I don't see any of his logic that isn't decent.

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#47 is really fucking bad. They go through the thing, Bacde asks a good question, and he goes hyper-aggressive straight away.

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If it makes you feel better, you're giving off townvibes to me.

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Pressure usually doesn't work if you say it's pressure.

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I'm gonna get scumread for this, but I've been thinking this game seems kinda multiball because it's faction fighting the whole game.

Meh.

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There are a few easy ways to verify vig claims and none of them involve lynching him d1, reinoe.

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hmmmm

no.

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Nice to know you're reading, Wake.

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NO

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She specifically said she WASN'T doing that.

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His claim is bullshit.

@Titus, if no one is ccing him and if there hasn't been any good evidence to prove anyways how then is his claim bullshit?

I could claim Town 1-shot Cop as scum. A Cop's not guaranteed to be in the game, so usually no-one will counterclaim me, and there's no real way to prove I'm lying.

This is what Titus is saying is happening here.

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wow I like that readlist.

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Someone get the Wiki editors here, we have the most perfect example of OMGUS you'll ever find!

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Titus remains horrid... you are better than that, TSO is not.

vote Titus

oh god, that's it.

I would love to rant about how fucking terrible you yourself are, I really would. You'll notice I used to constantly point out the ways in which you were so marvellously wrong and hope you would change it, but I've stopped doing it because I've concluded you're genuinely that shit.

I mean the experience I've been having when you're playing with me is beyond fucking horrible. You always start off by using Random.org to vote which completely makes RVS redundant and allows scum to hide behind -correctly- accusing you. You openly commit scumtells/badtells and explain them away with rubbish like "My home site is not mafiascum, therefore I may do whatever retarded action I like and it's cool, guys!" or some other bull like "OMGUS is null! Null, not scum! I can do it!". No, you can't, because OMGUS is BAD. A lot of the guys in this game I like; Bacde's a cool guy, I've enjoyed seeing reinoe mature from the Newbie game I played with him, Titus is always interesting, but if I were in possession of a daykill, I would have nuked you upon sight, because you're literally the definition of anti-town. When you post, it's either fluffy bullshit or bullshit vaguely resembling incoherent content. When you post, that is, because as well as being bad, you're also a lurksack.

I actually tried to be nice about it, I concluded not everyone is in full command of their mental faculties and, hey, we can't all be Empire/chamber/Tierce/Thor/Nacho, whatever. But after I made the effort to start being nice, and not point out the glaring play flaws you exhibit like you're proud of them, then you call me bad? This isn't pot-kettle, this is like Hitler calling mith a dictator. It's deranged. I mean, even your fucking NAME. It's like a toddler won a "Design-A-Name" contest for your username.

Please. Do not talk to me again. Do not try to interact with me, because this has been building up and you have no idea how batshit your "play", if you could call it play, annoys me.

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Don't talk to me about alignment in question bacde, if I were scum, I would have pressed for your lynch, NOT try save your ass. Fuck it. You're the only one that I'd be uncomfortable lynching right now and SKOT, he is town.

VOTE: Titus

You didn't like EPM's list because you are being scumread. You haven't disputed one fucking read he's given, you just threw mud at it. I support your lynch and I will continue to do so until you get off your ass and quit being vague. I couldn't care if you think his read on you is wrong. If you're calling that readlist bad, then clearly other reads are wrong. Show me that or quit wondering how on earth we're scumreading you.

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Vote: Josh_B

Claim.

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(SKOT is a fine policy kill which nets guaranteed towncred. Titus is not)

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am I the only one not buying this?

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no

we get skot

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I do not attack people who seek to improve themselves. Chaoslord, for example, seeks to improve himself by asking questions and having a fundamental understanding that to play Mafia you do not do certain things, like OMGUS. You, on the other hand, constantly dismiss anything you do as wrong. We all have flaws, yes. We all, however, don't seek to justify them by whimpering it was the meta of the previous site. What the fuck does that have to do with committing an obvious error? If you ask 100 players on this site, 97 will tell you they don't have a problem with me. You are constantly anti-town, which makes my job that much harder than it already is. Given all these, you still seem surprised why I constantly seek to vent my anger? Incredible.

Me being nice actually detailed me saying nothing, because I find it that hard to not constantly complain about you. So, yes, in my normal state, I am being a dick to you. The way you don't give a shit makes me surprisingly alright with that. Start fucking putting in some effort and I'll stop. Thanks.

I'll be the bigger man and not reply with more insults.

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But this isn't groupthink; I've READ 1984. These are things you shouldn't do because they're reactions which are predominantly formed from a scum mindset and, as such, come from scum more often than town. I do not expect everyone to fit to these, as groupthink does; I'm exceptionally tolerant with newer players who are finding the ropes, etc.

The problem here is that you see these behaviours as limiting, while I do not; they have worked time and again for me to find scum and for nearly everyone on this site. I do not understand how your scumhunting works; I don't see it improves on my beliefs, therefore I have a problem with it.

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Well, I guess I can understand where you're coming from, if I don't agree with it.

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the problem is your whole post is

"He calls my post, here, scummy. The only thing scummy is HIM! What a hypocrite! Damn!"

With no actual refutations of any sort.

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Wake, it feels like you've taken a massive confidence hit. What's up with that?

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wait a minute

I now have no scumreads

shit!

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idk if it was there before but he could just have robbed it off the op.

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I think Wake is scum and I want the Cop to claim.

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Cop, Doctor, Vigilante - someone's lying.

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* Backup, Cop, Doc, Vig

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At least two of those don't exist and Wake smells of shit

so does Slandaar and Josh, but Wake more so

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@Slandaar
I could buy TSO scum, I haven't seen anything out of him that make me feel like he's particularly town. But by the same token I haven't seen anything that makes me feel particularly like he's scum either. Do you have anything on him not meta related? I've never played with him before so I'm not sure what his regular behavior is like.

Eh.

so, nothing. weak as shit.

idk Slandaar's play kinda feels like his scum meta for whatever reason.

I accuse him of never seeing my scum meta so the argument changes to;

Slandaar's maybe-scum, it doesn't feel like town-Slandaar.

It is very sly he doesn't acknowledge my post or reword his argument directly in response to me he just sneaks it in a lot later.

yeah, definitely. Titus linked Slandaar-scum meta, I read it, yet I've clearly never seen it, I am so sly.

*slow hand clap*

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Because we have someone else also lying.

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If you think wake is scum why do we need the cop to claim? Why not just lynch wake

Because it's possible Wake is fakeclaiming as Town - he's fakeclaimed Cop before.

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Wake, let's go through this for a second.

In order for you to be telling the truth, a Cop also exists, seeing as this isn't bastard.

Why the fuck are you not strongarming Slandaar?

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I mean, Slandaar's case is verifiable, seeing as he has to shoot. Yours isn't. As well as this, Backup/Cop/Doctor doesn't work.

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Either Josh/Slandaar scumteam, or you're lying, or you're scum.

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Am I the only one who fucking sees this?

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Mod: theoretically, if there was a Backup role without the actual role in the game, would you consider it bastard?

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Sees that the power makes no sense!

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Backup without a role is bastard.

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Either Josh/Slandaar scumteam, or you're lying, or you're scum.

We have too many PRs but I'm thinking Cop/Doc/Backup Cop... Slandaar scum/SK, on a team with a scum roleblocker.

This is in the mini normal forum. Bastard elements are not likely to pass.
An OP town also works with an SK increasing the kills per night.

The night will resolve itself regardless TSO.

Who are you scumreading besides Wake?

Slandaar could definitely be an SK, and that set-up does make sense.

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Unvote
Vote: Slandaar

That's it.

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of course he was confident about his claim.

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We know that claimed power, on a non-bastard basis, is Backup Cop/Cop/Vigilante/Doctor.

This is too much power. If we remove Backup, nothing changes. If we remove Doctor, power goes down, but not enough. If we remove Cop, the Backup becomes bastard.

We have to remove the Vig.

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I'm not scumreading either of them and I would prefer if we limit our kills to one a night by removing Slandaar.

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I'm definitely not scumreading Elyse, btw.

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Titus, is Wake's claim legit?

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Elyse is cool.

If we're not lynching a PR then I say we policy lynch a bad slot (TYR).

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hi answer my question please xx

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Elyse is so town

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Bacde quit softpushing like a bitch and attack me.

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Unvote
Vote: TYR

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who else can be scum? we have one PR lying which we all want to dance around (it's Slandaar) and everyone else looks decently good (you/Titus/EPM) so this guy is a great policy and a possible scum.

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SHE'S NOT

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Like Titus your play is really fucking off this game! Quit this paranoia shit you've got going on!

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This is like the 5th wagon you've ran up. Calm the fuck down, lynch TYR the fuck up.

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TSO post your case on me. I expect it to be good.

we have too much power and you're the most likely to be lying

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you remind me of me

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the aggressive tunnel

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This is why we should fucking massclaim and out the Cop so then either our power's confirmed/scum get lynched d1.

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if we have a cop, then (cop, doc, vig) one must be lying.

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Cop/Vig too much power.

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Titus is a bad vote, so is Elyse, I have nothing more to say until we defuse shitwagons #1 and #2.

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No.

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because they're in my topics and you should get them yourself. I have no interest in giving a scumspect material.

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My eyes have glazed over the past few pages, I'm so un-motivated.

Maybe later. Maybe not.

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I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A TOWNCASE BECAUSE YOUR SCUMCASE IS SO FUCKING BAD, TITUS. I LIKE YOU, BUT YOU'RE JUST RUNNING PEOPLE UP TO CLAIM AND YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE FUCKING TOWNREAD GROUP WHO YOU ARE BEING EGGED ON BY.

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Bacde is doing nothing at all, which is the stance I'd take as scum, but I'm also doing it as Town, but my point is, yes

PEdit: 10-2-1.

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The ability would have been wasted there. That means a) scum don't give a shit bout using it or b) it's passive.

leaning b.

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Or you could vote Elyse. The count mysteriously reset when she hit L-1. Somebody tried to shoot somebody else using the dayvig. Somebody hasn't claimed being the 1-shot bulletproof (possibly because maybe they're totally bulletproof). But a BP claim would show whom was shot and then we can ask "who would want them dead".

wait

what

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Vote: Elyse

Run her to L-1 again.

Mod: is a Governor considered normal?

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I'm starting to like this wagon. #1286 is good.

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this feels too fast.

#1286 makes sense, Elyse, and I've yet to hear you explain it.

I'm voting you because I don't believe this bullshit about dayvigs and bulletproofs. You got to L-1 and then vc resets straight away? that's significant.

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I'm still not convinced with Slandaar. You guys completely brushed off the fact that he might not actually be a vig.

NO I DIDN'T

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I think I regret this wagon.

And I think Boonskiies is scum

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oh fuck, just saw last post.

sorry Elyse.

I weakened at the end. They'd have got you anyway.

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Titus, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up.

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suck my hole

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By my count elyse was hammered but the vc prior was misleading...

JOSH: assuming elyse is town please do not protect titus/reinoe/tso thanks.

this guy is a serial killer

he's also bad

please just fuck him in a noose tomorrow

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oh my god I feel so much apathy for this game.

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because it's so fucking disjointed and bad

scum will be gloating in their QT because we are fucked.

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you got ran to L-1 as an SK d1

you have no hope of winning

how does it feel

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I'm right about smh, reinoe.

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Impressive, Josh. You're completely right.

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PEdit: you moron, she was lynched on nothing, and you're trying to justify it now.

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PLEASE SCUM, NIGHTKILL ME, I'M THE COP, I WANT OUT.

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I have to admit her "fuck you guys I'm leaving" attitude is not that type of attitude a townie should have, especially not a plain old vanilla townie.

But I called her "Princess Elyse" because I think that self-entitled attitude might just be who she is.

Shut the fuck up. If anyone is self-entitled it's you. I can call the whole scumteam and you stupid fucks wouldn't listen to me because you're too wrapped up in yourselves to listen to someone who has been opposing you all game.

Usually I would give my last reads but it's not even worth it.

GIVE IT TO ME

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No, seriously, I'm just going to policy lynch unless I'm allowed sheep your reads. I don't trust myself to be rational anymore.

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really?

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wow!

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well, I think we can agree Boon will get rope for that quickhammer.

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Vote: Slandaar

Go to hell, SK.

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For the Titus shot you deserve death. For this set-up, you deserve death.

I'm a Doctor. He can't exist.

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Vote: Josh_B

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No, actually, we should massclaim.

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Unvote

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Actually, no. #1395 is him faking guilt and doing a shit job while setting himself up to fail his action.

Vote: Josh_B

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VT. Popcorn to anyone.

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I feel it's worth saying that this bullshit about "leashing the SK" left us a man down after Slandaar laughed in our faces with his nightkill.

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will read tomorrow

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I'm clearly not the fucking Doctor?

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Yeah, bullshit.

You gave yourself a back exit to fail yesterday because you're lying out of your shit.

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For the Titus shot you deserve death. For this set-up, you deserve death.

I'm a Doctor. He can't exist.

This is clearly an attempt to draw the NK.

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WE DON'T

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I am obviously not claiming fucking Doctor when I

didn't counterclaim Josh or ask for his vig.

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I'm not sure he's Town, though.

I need to re-read, it'll happen tonight.

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Hmm.

re: 1451

ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND?

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really? do you not?

It's really rather simple; I presumed Josh was scum, I fakeclaimed Doctor to see if I'd die. The fact I didn't suggests Josh is scum, because he's not a Doctor, so it's possible they thought I actually was.

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(if he was scum)

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I also don't think that the dayvig scenario is true; we've seen no other evidence other than a recount to show anything.

If Slandaar was hit, then why didn't anyone claim?

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we have two possibilities left, but I'd like massclaim left before I continue with this train of thought.

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Him being bulletproof was the only reason he would claim Vigilante? What?

He claimed Vigilante

because he had a kill as an SK.

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Vote: Josh_B

Enough.

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The Dayvig is

fucking clearly 1-shot if it even exists.

It's nothing NEAR rolefishing.

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Josh, why exactly did you think Boonskiies was the dayvig?

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Boonskies and TSO both claim that Slandaar was a TP SK in the middle of all that. The Slandaar lynch goes through so easily that scum have to be on it because they know he isn't on their team.

No. Just no. I wanted Slandaar to die d1 and there was heavy resistance. Really heavy resistance. I consistently told everyone, along with Titus, that Slandaar was off, and while Titus began to think we could "leash" the SK, I wanted him dead.

I would not want Slandaar dead as scum - I would want him to narrow down the playerlist with kills.

TSO is claiming every single PR that has come into play.

See, this is why Josh is scum. This isn't half wrong, or a little wrong.

It's completely 100% bullshit.

I have claimed exactly 1 PR as an attempt to draw a nightkill. The claim did not look serious. You are a lying, misrepping scumfuck. You're not a Doctor.

Early in D1 he say that he isn't scum reading Elyse, but then later is the one that puts her to L-1 while still FoSing Titus. 1311 shows this significantly.

this feels too fast.

#1286 makes sense, Elyse, and I've yet to hear you explain it.

I'm voting you because I don't believe this bullshit about dayvigs and bulletproofs. You got to L-1 and then vc resets straight away? that's significant.

Again, he's completely misrepping the situation. As soon as Elyse hit L-1, the votecount reset. As well as this, a convincing case was made against her in #1286. I changed my opinion on Elyse, who I had previously defended the fuck out of, and after this I changed my mind again.

YOU were the person who mislynched Elyse. Do not dare fucking put the blame on me, or attempt to do so.

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Can we please get more votes on Josh?

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Bacde was the scum shot and he was hard defending Chaoslord. Chaoslord's town.

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But the reasoning has nothing to do with my alignment, so I don't understand why you're doubting it - it stands on its own two feet.

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Bacde and SKOT. He's been, and I quote, "roleblocked".

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also the Dayvig obviously isn't more than 1x IF IT EVEN EXISTS because that would be way too overpowered.

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A Roleblocker doesn't really make sense for this game because it would render Slandaar completely helpless against it.

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the only thing caution gets you is townflips like Titus. That's what happens when you run away from people who are scummy just because they claimed a fucking PR.

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Josh is obviously not getting counterclaimed.

Wake, you're fucked, to be blunt. Here are the two scenarios:

Josh is a Town Doctor: Scum roleblock him and kill you.
Josh is Scum: Scum kill you, he claims he was roleblocked.

[T S O]

It's not your fault, specifically, because we ran you up - but we really need a scum lynch today.

[T S O]

sns quit lurking.

[T S O]

pacman could have been scum, so sns could be scum, but Josh's my only real scumread atm.

[T S O]

*slow hand clap*

[T S O]

Fantastic!

Go on, show the rest of us where this brainwave has appeared from!

[T S O]

does sns lurk as scum? and not lurk as town?

because his lurking means literally nothing otherwise.

still want my Josh lynch.

[T S O]

Is this a dayvig or a modkill?

[T S O]

I presume it's not a modkill - anyway, gl town.

[T S O]

Josh was scum.

Nice fucking shot, Boonskiies!

[T S O]

Wouldn't have got chaoslord, might have got Reinoe, had Josh.

[T S O]

I want to know why I was shot. I really want to know why I was shot and THEN YOU LYNCHED WAKE WHO WAS OBVTOWN AS FUCK JESUS.

[T S O]

Sometimes I rage in losing in postgame; sometimes I accept; sometimes I applaud the scumteam.

I'm raging here - Town tossed the game. Hard.

[T S O]

Who the fuck reviewed this set-up?

A serial killer who was Bulletproof and 3 scum, one who was immune to Cop?

Who the actual fuck thought this set-up was balanced IN ANY WAY?

[T S O]

Reading the Mafia QT, I really wish you'd gone after me. I really do. I would have pinned your ass to the fucking wall and hung you.

PEdit: Agreed.

[T S O]

I would also like Titus to come to the postgame and admit she got her reinoe read fucking 100% wrong.

[T S O]

The reason scum won this game was because they killed people backing them, which made me think they were looking to mislynch chaoslord and isolate reinoe.

PEdit: Even if you added a Jailkeeper or a Roleblocker or something.

I'd argue our power roles were borderline negative-utility. I'm pissed at Boonskiies, but his slot did actually hit a non-town player, but his ability was blanket, so we got fucked anyway. If the Cop hit the Godfather, then there was conftown there as well and we had no way of knowing that scum potentially had a GF. Same for the Deputy, who was essentially a Named Townie because we had no way to protect him and it's nearly impossible to activate the Deputy until late-game anyway.

As well as the set-up, I have a problem with the name of Wake's role, which allowed scum to discredit him constantly with no fault of his.

[T S O]

"I have used my dayvig, the person has not died, this person must be Town, I should not claim or push them."

What the hell?

[T S O]

I'm really mad and probably going ott here but my god this game. Wow.

[T S O]

wp reinoe! you were the best of the scumteam on play. chaoslord skated by with Bacde's protection and Josh was a scumfuck, but I was actually townreading you on play also.

[T S O]

Agreed, I'd like a link to the review.

[T S O]

If you consider convincing one person, one gullible idiot who was handed a great role, the peak of your scumplay, then well done.

If I had the Dayvig, I'd have shot you to shit d2.

[T S O]

probably not, honestly. just reset the vc, line him up again.

[T S O]

"I'm still slightly worried for the mafia's chances here, I think. Like mastin said earlier, the mafia basically win if they avoid getting shot (by either the dayvig or the SK), which isn't something they have much control over. What if you made one of the goons a doctor?" - Plessiez

Wow, I'd totally have to agree - the Mafia need immunity from the

one thing they're not potentially immune to yet

!

[T S O]

9-3-1 is borderline unfair, but then you stacked the other factions with power and removed the Town Doctor because of ????

why?

[T S O]

If I seem bitter and bitchy, that's because I am. We didn't play terribly this game. Out of 3 lynches, we hit anti-town in one. We should not have the potential to lose if our dayplay is of that level.

People assume Dayvig is a strong town role BUT UNLESS SOMEONE WHO IS GOOD HAS IT IT STRONGLY BENEFITS SCUM.

[T S O]

If I seem bitter and bitchy, that's because I am. We didn't play terribly this game. Out of 3 lynches, we hit anti-town in one. We should not have the potential to lose if our dayplay is of that level.

People assume Dayvig is a strong town role BUT UNLESS SOMEONE WHO IS GOOD HAS IT IT STRONGLY BENEFITS SCUM.

He hit scum 50% of the time too. He just shot you on day 3 and you were kinda scummy...

disagree.

you were posturing in your qt about how scummy I was, blah blah, but Josh voted me and you and chaoslord were rather spineless about it. and Josh wasn't convincing either.

I don't think any of the scum really played a part in my death.

[T S O]

maybe I am, I apologise for that, but it kinda feels that post-game you're explaining this great big masterplan you guys acted out with multiple contingency plans and I don't really buy it. p sure Wake would have voted Josh as well, for example. I mean, this big "attack" that you're talking about never happened! Forget "organically". You just didn't attack me. Did chaoslord even post in the last day, for example?

I'm not trying to damn your play - I've said I wouldn't have got chaos and maybe not got you either. However, it seems like you're trying to make out that you guys knew everything and we never had a chance. That's untrue.

[T S O]

Two mislynches was ridiculous IMO. The scum was way overpowered. There's no way we should have been in lylo on Day 3 after lynching correctly Day 2. The setup punished optimal play.

thank you.

[T S O]

dayvigs are not mislynches. dayvigs are one player going alone.

but if you want to run along that line, fine. we mislynched 3 times and hit you twice. 2/3? And we lost?

If you want to assume you only count once, then 1/3 is still not a ratio which should LyLo you.

[T S O]

this set-up was really swingy towards scum. it couldn't really swing towards town. and I advise no-one to ever play it as a Mini again. ever.

[T S O]

Agreed. I don't really blame Phok - I thought his original set-up was balanced fairly, and his modding was great.

Bloody reviewers, though...

[T S O]

even you'll admit we shouldn't be relying on you helping us to have a chance.

what if a lurker gets the dayvig? what if a newb gets it?

what if Boonskiies gets it?

[T S O]

...I don't like SK set-ups?

I'd love to draw SK and think it adds a welcome variant to games. Where are you getting that assumption from?

[T S O]

well, you're not great at reading between the lines, judging by your attempt there.

[T S O]

I agree with #1672.

It should be said that for my griping, Town were never going to win this and didn't deserve to. it wasn't domination, but it was definitely more than enough.

Slandaar, you seem in a stupidly obtuse mood and you are the -only- one who has the opinion the game was balanced. That's because you were the SK and couldn't see it. End.

[T S O]

that would explain why you shot Titus and not Josh, yes? Because if you knew the Doctor was lying and was scum, and you wanted towncred, you shot Titus why?

[T S O]

I just couldn't be bothered talking about it anymore.

[T S O]

well, not really. your view is distorted by you getting caught d1, tbh.

[T S O]

What actually was the point TSO? I knew what you were trying to do.

what does this even mean?

[T S O]

okay, Slandaar, you're great and we're not. that's why we caught you d1, that's why you soaked a dayvig.

bitterness is okay, but let's not go too far. your anger is a bit too obvious.

[T S O]

look, I have no interest in getting into a fight.

town played shit. they should have lynched josh. guess who pushed josh? me. guess who got townvig'd? me.

town weren't good. I agree. the set-up was also unfair to the point that theoretically if town -were- good we could still have lost due to GF-Cop mechanics.

[T S O]

There's a full thread about this and no-one argued this set-up was balanced.

Saying that a Godfather exists is fucking bull. The only way to implement that is to trust -no- Cop innocent results, meaning that both roles cannot confirm anyone as Town, making them significantly worse.

[T S O]

Yes, definitely, why on earth would we waste a dayvig shot on someone clearly lying? We should have known they were Bulletproof somehow!

*eyeroll*

[T S O]

how the actual fuck would a dayvig randomly know a vig claim is bulletproof?

oh slandy

[T S O]

You're making these stupid jumps in logic which are obvious.

"SK's are very often BP, therefore the dayvig should have known I was BP." What the fuck? How do you expect the dayvig to assume your modifier (which could be, say,

Godfather

due to Cop claims, Ninja, Ascetic...), correctly guess (and it's a guess, don't try to pretend it's not) that you're BP, and not shoot you accordingly?

Are you even thinking about what you're saying anymore? How do you stupidly expect a player to know your modifier?

Please stop talking out of your ass.