Mini 1579: The Great Flavor Caper (Game Over)

[Josh_B]

Bacde, you're coming on pretty strong for RVS. Show me some links.

IN THE MEAN TIME...

[Josh_B]

That's not true.

VOTE: bacde

[Josh_B]

That's not true.

VOTE: bacde

Trust your word in a game of lies? That's never going to happen.

[Josh_B]

Good god that's a lot of flavor. Louisiana Old world spicey flavor. But wait, is that BAR-S?
What is this -generic trickery?

[Josh_B]

That's not true.

VOTE: bacde

Trust your word in a game of lies? That's never going to happen.

Would a link of slandaar doing what i just said actually change your opinion on whether or not he is scum?

I don't study the RVS meta of other players, there's a science to it that I don't understand. However, there is a huge following of players that do and I'm usually not worse off for trusting their judgment. Pretenders of the craft are a completely different story.

[Josh_B]

I'll keep it in mind, but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

[Josh_B]

I'll keep it in mind, but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

So basically, you pressured me for a link for no reason?

No. I pressured you for the existence of the link, not necessarily the content of the link. But the content of the link suggests that you are still a little sour about that game, and possibly trying to use it to invent scuminess when there isn't much to go on. Until, I feel like there's more likelyhood that what you say is true, or I feel like there isn't anything else to go on, I'll be looking else where and consider you on the block if he flips town.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE

[Josh_B]

I find it curious that you've taken Bacde's D1 vote on Slandarr so seriously.

It was apparent to me that he was fishing for reactions and the initial argument on Slandarr wouldn't make it past 2-3 pages. Your last sentence also bothers me "...and consider you on the block if he flips town." It seems to me you're giving yourself convenient options for a vote down the line if a Slandarr lynch were to occur.

RVS is a serious thing, I admire the skill of other players who use it as a scum hunting tool. My initial PoE is that Bacde was using it to OMGUS and then asking that I totally trust him. The only thing I feel like I can be sure of right now is that Bacde is not on the scum team with Slandar.
The meta that Bacde provided seems legit if it wasn't so old and out of date, but I'm going to be looking for partners so I moved my vote off for now.

[Josh_B]

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How would i be sour about that game? It was over a year ago and town won[/quote]

Then why would you bring it up?

VOTE: bacde

[Josh_B]

I find it curious that you've taken Bacde's D1 vote on Slandarr so seriously.

It was apparent to me that he was fishing for reactions and the initial argument on Slandarr wouldn't make it past 2-3 pages. Your last sentence also bothers me "...and consider you on the block if he flips town." It seems to me you're giving yourself convenient options for a vote down the line if a Slandarr lynch were to occur.

RVS is a serious thing, I admire the skill of other players who use it as a scum hunting tool. My initial PoE is that Bacde was using it to OMGUS and then asking that I totally trust him. The only thing I feel like I can be sure of right now is that Bacde is not on the scum team with Slandar.
The meta that Bacde provided seems legit if it wasn't so old and out of date, but I'm going to be looking for partners so I moved my vote off for now.

I'm not trying to argue that RVS means nothing in the scheme of a mafia game, but it was clear that his vote and reasoning was made to get reactions and not a serious ploy to bandwagon Slandarr all the way to a D1 lynch, something you've failed to realize especially with your next post:

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How would i be sour about that game? It was over a year ago and town won

Then why would you bring it up?

VOTE: bacde

Do you honestly think that he was trying to use a year old post to catch scum on the very first page?

I didn't respond to this right away, because I wanted to see how Bacde is reacting to other players. His continued "too easy" OMGUSing is something I'd shy away from if I were scum. It seemed like he was trying to make a solid meta case on another player. Giving a year old game as a reason for voting someone is off balance, I recognized that immediately and was challenging him on it. Town may have won, but it was Slaander that hammered bacde, Hence the reason for me thinking that bacde was sour over it.

At SKOT, I think you misunderstood my point about RVS being a serious thing. Random Votes aren't serious. I'm trying to say that the stage produces meta which serious thing as scum is often identified by it later in the game, and it often generates the tone of the whole game.

@Mod,

I don't think SKOT is simultaneously voting me and Titus.

Got it, thanks. ~phok

[Josh_B]

Voting slandaar wasnt an OMGUS, so i think you are using that term incorrectly

Plus if you had read the game youd see slandaar didnt even push me, he just happened to place a vote on me that happened to be the last vote

Plus, i obviously brought up the game to make a point, not because i was sour. Why are you voting me again?

You do realize that YOUR vote on me is an OMGUS, right?

What point? Slandaar was horribly lurking that game, it seems he's upgraded to active lurking. What do you think about Pacman?

<~still scum hunting bro. tactics

[Josh_B]

it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting.

What is this?

It's a response to the old game. Some things to consider about you and Bacde. Which I've pretty much already said.

[Josh_B]

I feel like I'm being asked for a complete review of Mini 1393 in relation to Salandaar and Bacde. I'll have time to type all of that out tomorrow morning. I promise. Hold me to it. I just got back from the movies with my wife, and we have "plans".

[Josh_B]

At the start of this post, I'm going to give a brief paraphrase of some parts of the game, the way I see it.

Bacde- I have unquestionable RVS meta that proves Slandaar is scum.
Joshb- bullshit, prove it.
Bacde- No, just sheep me.
JoshB- You are a liar. Don't play like that.
Bacde- Ok, here's the proof. Now sheep me.
JoshB- This game was a year ago, (unvote) You're fuckin' around, but don't play like that.
Bacde- You still don't believe me, then you're scum, "too easy".
JoshB- Bullshit, you are scum hopping from one bad case to another.
Now on to 1393

Slandaar is luurking hard. But he's townslipping like a MOFO. He posts that he is definitely town and he should definitely not be lynched.
Bacde calls it null, he never hits scum with his votes, and he's telling everyone to help him vote CoolDog. Thor gets lynched anyway.

I'll explain more this evening Sorry I was up late last night.

[Josh_B]

Vote: Josh B

That's not what I want to know. I want to know specifically WHY you voted for bacade this game. I don't really care what he did in that other game unless it directly relates to why you voted for him in this one.

I voted for Bacde for fake claiming to know RVS Meta. But I already said that didn't I? I know that there are RVS meta experts, I don't agree with people that are pretending to be.
Game was a year old. Maybe a false flag, so I unvoted, but still didn't like it. Second time OMGUS, but I feel comfortable with it.

I'm going to be watching to see if patterns show up. Like Slandaar lurking so hard, and bacde telling everyone to sheep him trying to lynch towns, I'm sure he should have learned his lesson by now. But it looks like he hasn't, or he's just scum.

[Josh_B]

Happy Father's day to all of you Dads out there, and tell your husbands if you haven't already

BACDE- O...M...G...U...S... after a reread of this game, I'm willing to bet that you aren't scum. However, your play is horrible. I would rather that you sheep Titus or Renoe D1, and leave you're "trust me'"s for a future date. Please Respond? and get you're vote off of me. I think we have enough info to make some

more accurate

assumptions that are more accurate now.
UNVOTE: Unvote
TSO, Are you picking up on this- bacde actually being town?

Bacde, if you were actually looking for a Peer Review, you should listen to Wake. Wake's review is detailed and I like his thought process.

I don't really like the case on chaos, which started with a snarky comment from Mirhawk who is now jumping on Wake for pushing it. If anyone is still wondering what a chainsaw defense is, We have our winner. Mirhawk seems to be really good at this. If this is also a bus, I'm screwed, but the thought has crossed my mind.

SKOT and pacman are the two whose slot's that I'm the most interested in getting a read on right now.
Pacman's vote looks really bad, and I was ok with SKOT's vote at first, but he's had plenty of opportunity decide if we just have a different RVS theory. The tone of the game has been set. I've shown mine SKOT, let's see yours.

Pressure VOTE: SKOT

Where the heck is TYR?

[Josh_B]

I still want to hear SKOT's reply, but Bacde's response... Yea, that makes more sense now.

At Titus, I had my vote on an overzealous VI that has been sloppily trying to keep himself from being NK'd. You should consider that with your next post, and calmly back away from trying to lynch him. What's your second choice?

[Josh_B]

SKOT and pacman are the two whose slot's that I'm the most interested in getting a read on right now. Pacman's vote looks really bad, and I was ok with SKOT's vote at first, but he's had plenty of opportunity decide if we just have a different RVS theory. The tone of the game has been set. I've shown mine SKOT, let's see yours.

You have shown jack shit. I have made my point of view clear, which you clearly have not even taken time to read up since you last absence and come in and take a shot. I reacted to your stuff and nothing I have seen makes me comfortable going elsewhere, especially when you think you made your self clear.

You think you responded to me when you said that "RVS is a serious thing is a hyperbole"? RVS meta can be used to identify scum, and it sets the tone of the game. It is important to understand that. What is your take on RVS meta? I'm not coming in and taking a shot, that's a bogus claim, I'm asking you a solid question, and all I've gotten an Ad Hominem response.

My vote is not for pressure anymore.

[Josh_B]

So JB decides to stop pushing players who'll fight back and go right for a lurker.

And what was that non-RVS reason for voting bacde? I don't think I heard you.

@Slandaar
Your thoughts on Elise and Wake?

I didn't stop pushing a player that fights back, I stopped pushing a town. And to go right for a lurker? do you mean pacman? because he's going to be replaced, I can't get any info from a player who doesn't exist can I?
Do you mean SKOT? I wouldn't consider him lurking. Just making bad cases and then leaving them out there.
Do you mean you?
I think you must have not have heard me. Faking RVS meta, on purpose. But that's resolved now.

Mirhawk and SKOT seem to fit better than Elise and Bacde.

VOTE: slandaar

[Josh_B]

RVS meta is all bullshit and reaction gauging. Sometimes someone can have a legit tell but more times then not it is people looking for something to pick at and doing so. Anyone claiming to find scum on RVS is a bull-shitter. Now, once you gauge reactions to the bullshit then you start finding something worth pursuing. Now, once you got information out there and things start to flip then you can go back and take a look. Get reactions, get votes, get someone runup, assess, rinse, repeat, and so on. What I am used to on a day one is nothing but nonsense and shtick, until a random wagon forms usually on one form of bullshit or another, assess it, lynch or go another direction and so on.

Well I got a reaction, got votes, and I assesed. Now it's time for the rinse and repeat process. My wagon formed on some bullshit. Now it's time to move forward. Now my vote isn't on Bacde. U mad Bro? Cause I read the game and realized that I was pushing for a bad wagon, and now I'm trying to stop others from getting on it, too?

oh and do go look up ad hominem. saying you haven't explained "jack shit" about your RVS viewpoint is not ad hominem as there is no attack on your Character unlike the frequent draws to statements like VI or anti-town or other such crap. Then I suggested that you have not even read the thread and just come out without even reading what had been written. Again, not an ad hominem attack. So at least if you are going to use argumentation with a suggestion of a use of a fallacy, then do so correctly. Now I will go back and reread you stuff to see if it comes off different as a matter of differences in perspective as you are claiming.

I explained my self on all accounts of everything that you asked me. I'm sorry if I didn't add your post tags at the beginning of my responses. Are you reading the game? Did I seriously miss something, or are you just saying that I did now that my wagon is dissipating?

EPM Id probably the lurker being referred to-

So, Josh, in terms of explaining yourself, what were the interesting patterns you think you saw early on.
Why is it when you say you suck at RVS meta did you try to engage in so doing with your reaction to said events?
Why did you say you were voting more for OMGUS and not the initial push other than your reaction to that being called out?
See I read over your ISO and I still do not get a warm fuzzy...

-I didn't see any patterns that related to this game early on. I saw patterns in the other game, that I said I would be looking for in this game.
-I suck at RVS meta. What's wrong with that? Other people don't. RVS is null and useless to me.
-I voted, got some information and unvoted, then I voted again because I didn't like the reaction, and now I've unvoted because now I truly don't think that Bacde is scum, and I'm moving on to the actual scum team.

oh and the hyperbole was only one thing I listed having issue with, you have not addressed any of the others Josh.

Were those all of the other things that you had issue with? or is there more?

[Josh_B]

I still want to hear SKOT's reply, but Bacde's response... Yea, that makes more sense now.

At Titus, I had my vote on an overzealous VI that has been sloppily trying to keep himself from being NK'd. You should consider that with your next post, and calmly back away from trying to lynch him. What's your second choice?

Ooh you are gaining your scumpoints back

Im clearly not a VI

OK. but you are town none the less.
I'll take the points. Wake's evaluation is still solid.

[Josh_B]

I'll keep it in mind,

but it wasn't his RVS that gave him away. There are some other patterns there too that are interesting

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In case it wasn't clear this is what I was referring to, and have been referring to the entire time. So no I don't feel like this issue is particularly resolved

Also, if you feel that me and knives are scum why are you voting slandaar?

I was saying that I think the other game is interesting. Slandaar and Bacde both got lynched in that game. Slandaar didn't get lynched because of his RVS. Slandaar lurked the whole time in that game, but got the hammer on Bacde. Bacde didn't ever hit scum, but he kept making shitty cases and telling everyone that he was spot on, he was even trying to direct people away from voting scum. He tunneled the crap out of town players like a naked mole rat. I wasn't trying to say that the games were related at that time. Bacde makes shitty cases and I'm not going to sheep his ridiculousness on page one.

Scum equals Three, and we can't lynch all three of you at once.

[Josh_B]

and came back barely responding to what was directed at him. It seems like he's trying to make people forget he was scummy rather than explain himself and I don't like it.

Did you direct anything at me? I'm not busy today. I didn't expect to be busy yesterday, but sometimes things come up. And today, I feel like I'm just having to repost everything I already said. But I'm here, so it's good for me to get it out all at once.

[Josh_B]

I find it curious that you've taken Bacde's D1 vote on Slandarr so seriously.

It was apparent to me that he was fishing for reactions and the initial argument on Slandarr wouldn't make it past 2-3 pages. Your last sentence also bothers me "...and consider you on the block if he flips town." It seems to me you're giving yourself convenient options for a vote down the line if a Slandarr lynch were to occur.

RVS is a serious thing, I admire the skill of other players who use it as a scum hunting tool. My initial PoE is that Bacde was using it to OMGUS and then asking that I totally trust him. The only thing I feel like I can be sure of right now is that Bacde is not on the scum team with Slandar.
The meta that Bacde provided seems legit if it wasn't so old and out of date, but I'm going to be looking for partners so I moved my vote off for now.

my reaction here was 1st of all to a statement, RVS is a serious thing. That is plain straight hyperbole. Then it is buddying up to those that do take RVS serious. Then he is trying talk like he knows what he is taking about, throwing out a misuses of OMGUS and then qualifying his statement by saying oh, I really don't know anything. So, yup, chalk me up for having nebulous reasons for my response. Thanks for the inquiry Mir. HTH, TIA.

a. the hyperbole
b. buddying up to those taking RVS seriously-
c. trying to give off the appearance that you know stuff but misusing terms (OMGUS and Ad Hominem)
d. over-qualify statement and discounting self
e. Add in avoiding direct questions
f. Claiming to have fully explained things when said explanations are missing.

-My wife say's I have things going on in my head that I don't share, but I assume that everyone already knows anyways. It's a personal fault. I said RVS is a serious thing, when I should have said RVS meta is a serious thing. Meta is a serious thing, and I've learned that RVS meta can be considered separate from game meta, as can lylo, pressure, and L-1 meta. RVS meta is not my forte. I'm better at judging lylo, and pressure. IDGAF who takes RVS seriously, I do. Are you saying that I'm buddying up to Yankee? Is that a claim that he takes RVS seriously(strawman). Are you guys friends and you just know that?
-Oh My God You Suck. I don't don't see how I was using it incorrectly. OMGUS is usually used for voting someone who votes you. In which case it still applies because Slandaar got the hammer on Bacde. Even if you didn't understand that point, I thought that the people that I was talking about would understand it.
-Ad Hom- "You haven't shown jack shit" is an attack on me, and not responding to the question that I asked you. Why do I feel like you are yelling at me?
-Over qualified statements? I don't understand, are you calling me scum for that? I can't explain my personality.
-Please give me more direct questions. I like these. But, I don't always respond directly to the player asking me. Sometimes I answer multiple people in the same post, and hope that everyone reads it.
-Let me ISO myself. I've been a lot busier than I expected the past few days, and I may have had to leave in the middle of writing posts a couple of times. i.e. lost posts.

[Josh_B]

Holy crap SKOT you are right. 301-417 I posted nothing. That's shitty. No wonder you are giving me so much hell. I thought that I already posted all of these things that I'm saying. I certainly typed it out.
Also, the hyperbole thing, both posts that you asked me to respond to include that.

[Josh_B]

SKOT, now that I know that I didn't share what I thought I shared. you're statement that I called ad hom. was justified, I really hadn't explained jack shit. welcome to my town pile. As to how hard it was, It almost always has to be this way.

[Josh_B]

Yay now we can all sing kumbayah around the campfire!!!!!

That seems exactly like a textbook bad bus.

That seems like something scum would say.

[Josh_B]

TSO what do you mean this game has been faction fighting?

[Josh_B]

Yankee's vote is still on me. Pushing for my lynch is like pushing for someone that's hated. You know their town, but you don't want them to get into lylo because scum can hammer on their own with out trying to convince the town.
Don't do it Mirhawk.

[Josh_B]

I'm still not sure on a lot of people.

I thought bacde was scum at first, but then he posted something that made me hard town read him.

I felt like there was scum between him and slandaar, and I was right. But maybe not in the way I thought. Slandaar being a TP changes things, or Slandaar is lying.

I think the case that slandaar made on Titus is crap, and I think Titus is town.

Mirhawk, I explained earlier, and I think he's scum. I also didn't like that he made some claims against me then let SKOT take the lead on my questioning.

Elyse backed up SKOT but when I asked her if she had asked me anything herself, she didn't reply. So I'm leaning scum there.

Bacde seriously looks scummy and I agree with Wake's case, but then there's that thing that thing that Bacde posted that changed my mind. Wake is probably reading the game and actually pointing out things that are scummy, as is Titus, so I think Wake is town.

I think Renoe is not scum in relation to Elyse.

Mirhawks weak case on chaos and subsequent attack on Wake furthering the case leads me to believe that Chaos is town.

SKOT is town.

The final scum lies between Pacman and TYR. But this list is dependant on Slandaar actually being who he says he is.

VOTE: Mirhawk

[Josh_B]

Did you ask me anything directly that I didn't answer, or were you going off of me not answering MirHawk and SKOT?

[Josh_B]

Knives case is built out of moonbeams. I've only ever asked you one question, and you still haven't answered it to my satisfaction.

I probably won't be able to answer it "to your satisfaction".

[Josh_B]

Oh things I was being scummy for? HMMM. I think SKOT thought I was being scummy for not answering questions, even though I thought I had already. And everyone else has been pretty much sheep wagoning. Specifically Pacman, You and Mirhawk.

[Josh_B]

Are you ever gonna reveal what this magical thing i did was?

Not unless you really want me to?

[Josh_B]

I probably won't be able to answer it "to your satisfaction".

After stalling for five days? You're right you probably won't.

This is why you are scum. I lost posts, that sucks, but it isn't scummy.

[Josh_B]

Definitely? I think that Titus's play is town. I was in a game with him recently where he was scum, and his play is remarkably different,
But If anyone is definitely town, it's me. If anyone is definitely Scum it's Slandaar. If Titus is scum, you are definitely his scum partner.
This is why Pacman's reads are definitely crap.
I think I understand a few players, but TSO WTF? Sarcasm, I hope.

[Josh_B]

Don't talk to me about alignment in question bacde, if I were scum, I would have pressed for your lynch, NOT try save your ass. Fuck it. You're the only one that I'd be uncomfortable lynching right now and SKOT, he is town.

VOTE: Titus

[Josh_B]

Is he a good lynch or is Pacman trying to latch onto something that is ridiculous? and you guys are going to believe me, Let me break down his reads from my PoE.

P-edit. This was coming before TSO called me out on it.

[Josh_B]

1. Josh_B
scum for sure. the early stuff with Bacde and the link absolutely reeks. It's tunnelly and pointless and town would have realized that and backed down in such an early part of the game.

I backed down because... reasons. I thought Bacde made a shit case that was supposed to look like he actually had information.

2. Slandaar
town by first post
165 is town as shit, this read isn't going anywhere

Slandaar is definetly scum. He admitted to not being town aligned. This read is crap.

3. Bacde
town by page 2

By page two? This is based on me tunneling him so early not on Badce's actual play.

4. Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Nothing here, but there should be.

6. chaoslord54
could be paranoia because I know him IRL and got him on the site but I kind of have a scum read

This looks like trying to exploit his newbness. If pacman and chaos were scum together, the knowing each other in real life would be a reason to buddy, not to scum read.

7. Titus
oh hi
is paranoid
is town
I will paraphrase IRL Titus here: "If I am being a crazy person I am town" I promise you she said something like that.
this game is easy

Easy? this read is FUCKING WRONG.

8. T S O

Nothing here either when there should be. I don't like the follow up by TSO calling this shit post a good reads list either.

9. reinoe
wrong but town

If any list is going to have Titus as scum, it's going to include reinoe as scum too. That "moon beam logic" as a reason to town read someone is crap.

10. Elyse
has a history of being wrong. alignment could go either way.
oh she's town yeah. thinking of a lot of good angles

This looks like bullshit. If Elyse is nailed, pacman has a reason to say that he went either way.

11. TheYankeeReaper

This guy is MIA, but his early posts don't look good. Leaving his name open like this means he waiting on a town to push this case

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12. Wake88
probably scum for being the second person to vote with random.org
definitely scum. very full of shit (101)

Full of shit, my ass. Random.org seems to be the accepted way of RVSing. But oh yea, Wake's RVS was on Elyse, so this actually makes sense that Wake would get a scum read.

13. Mirhawk
somehow makes me very not interested in reading his posts

Ignorance is bliss! and a scum tell. Maybe you guys saying this game is too easy, are right.

.

sorry that's like out of order stream of consciousness cuz normally I do page by page but I felt like changing it up here. This is only like 10 pages in, I will figure out T S O and SKOT and whoever else when I get home.
My vote was fine.

vote: Josh_B

And finally the vote. "everyone is saying that josh is scum, so I'm going to also even though I put an empty vote on him earlier and haven't read the game
because it makes me look town." Stream of consciousness is a town tell, but saying it is also a buzzword to justify your crap reads so that you can come back later and say "oops I was wrong, he he he."

[Josh_B]

Titus. I'm sorry for the vote but this is BS and nobody seems to be reading the game. I know that sometimes I have to put my vote on a town to get my point across.
The shallow OMGUSing and flash wagoning isn't going well for me. Please read my post and we can be friends, not enemies.

I am a Doctor. I didn't want to lynch Bacde because I think he hard softclaimed the gunsmith, in his post about Researchers(investigator) need a Peer Review(PR= Power Role) and the old game that he brought up had a gunsmith. So I've been trying to keep people from lynching him. If I could keep him alive tonight, and keep other people from lynching him today. Any other lynch is alright from my PoE. So that he could bring back that information.

[Josh_B]

I hope that you guys will unvote me so I can be NK'd and Bacde will be able to come back tomorrow with legit info. Even if it's only for one day.

[Josh_B]

I didn't miss post 569. Wake88's lynch isn't going to wake people up. Titus's would. My lynch is scum heaven, I'm sorry Bacde that I outed you like that. I'm at serious L-1, so this is the only way that I can still try to save you at least for one night.

[Josh_B]

Bacde might come back with conf town info. Either way, that's still information. I figured that he was probably going to investigate me, and then we'd both be alive for two DP's, and my voting Titus would be seen as derp town. So I wouldn't get NK'd tonight either. Maybe I should have moved my vote to Wake, but I thought Titus was the safer placement. I hoped that he would understand it.

[Josh_B]

I didn't miss post 569. Wake88's lynch isn't going to wake people up. Titus's would. My lynch is scum heaven, I'm sorry Bacde that I outed you like that. I'm at serious L-1, so this is the only way that I can still try to save you at least for one night.

And finally the vote. "everyone is saying that josh is scum, so I'm going to also even though I put an empty vote on him earlier and haven't read the game
because it makes me look town." Stream of consciousness is a town tell, but saying it is also a buzzword to justify your crap reads so that you can come back later and say "oops I was wrong, he he he."

If you didn't miss 569, then why were you complaining about Wake's vote on you? Wake's vote clearly wasn't on you then, is it? Your wagon is most definitely not a flashwagon. It built up over 20+ pages.

p:edit I can go for a wake lynch but I want to see if there's a counterclaim.

When was I complaining about wake voting me? I'm having to ISO Wake ever voting for me. Oh, he never did. And I never complained about him voting for me. The only thing I've said about Wake is that Mirhawk was trying to scum read him for pushing an idea that he started on Chaos.

[Josh_B]

At this point it won't matter who I target, now that I'm outed. Anyone could be WIFOM.

[Josh_B]

Pacman's 9 posts have all been Crap. His reads list is the first time he's posted any content this whole game, and that was worse than when he was lurking.

[Josh_B]

And..

UNVOTE: titus
VOTE: pacman

I should have did this earlier, but I wasn't thinking about it, sorry. This is a legit vote. I'm scum reading Elyse, and Mirhawk, based on Slandaar actually being TP, but TSO's recent additions are telling me that Slandaar is lying. So, pacman is still the connecting piece.

[Josh_B]

Elyse, slandaar is vig, That makes him Third Party in my book. Whether or not he can be leashed is still to be determined by his judgment. The fact that he said Vig and not Serial Killer, makes me feel like he can be leashed. Pacman calling him town is a leap of faith at best, and scummy.

[Josh_B]

Also looks like Pacman is trying to garner favor, which means Slandaar isn't already on the scum team.

[Josh_B]

@JoshB, a couple of things. First, if you're a major wagon that is not scum, scum won't be NKing you. There's literally no reason to do something so derpy as voting a townread. Your post in that indicated you were playing with much more of a survival mindset. Stop. Assume you will not live to see Day 2. Play that way. Also, you are assuming many things... first, scum don't buddy each other. I tend to do that a lot as scum. Second, you're assuming TSO's comments have some bearing on Slandaar telling the truth (how?)

It's also a big rule for both town and scum to kiss the vig's ass if you believe that he's a vig.

So, I think you understand why I put my vote on you, and not on Wake? I also thought that if scum saw that I was willing to put my vote on you, I would be a player that was acting in their favor, which rightly so was anti-town and in a survival mindset. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that thought Bacde was a PR. TSO was defending him long before I ever started. So when I made the pass for a town response from TSO, about picking up that Bacde was a PR. I didn't get the response I expected, but I think he understood it by his response. And now even though I've claimed, he acts like he still wants to lynch. Pacman's reads are crap, but he's like "good read list "
Especially when that garbage includes too many implications that can't possibly all be true at the same time.

Plus...

I feel like I'm being asked for a complete review of Mini 1393 in relation to Salandaar and Bacde. I'll have time to type all of that out tomorrow morning. I promise. Hold me to it. I just got back from the movies with my wife, and we have "plans".

I'm not sure Titus-Slandaar is T-T; I'm gonna call Bacde town for now because I like him, not because I really have a reason to, plus I need more time to figure him out. Reinoe is probably town, as is *sigh* SKOT.

doesn't line up.

[Josh_B]

Vigs are town.

Is this true for MS.net? I've been on the site since Feb, and this is the first time I've been in a game where I actually thought a vig was an actual possibility. Where I come from (debate.org) Vigilante is almost always a TP role, or a fake scum claim. In a 12 player game like this, a town vig would sway the game heavily in town's favor, and I just haven't seen that from MS.net. From what I have seen, there's more likely to be a shit ton of VT's. Which actually makes slandaar's role claim seem like BS, so I'm not liking you defending him over it.

But if someone who has been here longer than me thinks Slandaar is a TOWN vig, and not a third party, or scum. I want to hear it.

[Josh_B]

SKOT. yea, almost everyone is a PR of some sort, and VT can be cc'd, so a scum can claim TP when a cop comes back with a guilty. If there is an actual TP, usually either serial killer or survivor, they aren't going to CC because they have a joint wincon.

[Josh_B]

I've seen both town and scum act like this under pressure, but this, this.. flailing reminds me ov, ov,
There isn't even any pressure, that would make this seem justified as town.

VOTE: Wake

[Josh_B]

Spoiler: considerate wall reduction: Wake's Analysis

I don't feel like there was any pressure on wake for him to be acting so angry. And certainly not enough for him to claim. I think pacman's entire read list was crap, so I'm not sure why Wake didn't pick up on that and only focused on himself being FoS'd. In one sense, I can see his frustration coming from trying to protect the fact that he was trying to soft claim. But it seemed really awkward that he didn't want to take a stand on Pacman. The way Titus, and SKOT were interacting with him feels like two towns trying to get a read on a slot, not pressuring for the lynch. I threw my vote in because Wake's actions seemed to be frustration for no reason, or rather overly mad that he was caught for bad reasons. I also think that Wake's claim is BS because I can see him trying to claim an soft claim an investigator role 256, but I can't figure out how he was claiming back up. And sadly that is yet another role that would return a gunsmith guilty.
But if he was trying to claim an investigator role, Why...?

Then stop acting like you are doing "research". The best you can come up with is something from PAGE TWO. Why didn't you bring this up then?

I don't need your favors. I'm already lynching your scumpartner josh_b

This latest behavior is interesting. First you assume I'm acting like I'm doing research. Then you say the best I could "come up with" is something from page two, even though you don't seem to have considered that I've been taking notes during my analysis. Third, you seem to think that things should be brought up early, when in reality it doesn't matter that much so long as the issue is brought up.

The majority of his posts before he got so involved were talking about caoslord's "manipulation" that Mirhawk invented page one. It seems like Wake was all caught up on the "manipulation" and chaos lord's apology, but was still tunneling the crap out of it hoping that others would latch on.

My conclusion is that I do not think Wake is town, or this game is bastard. Since the Mod has confirmed that this game isn't bastard, I'm taking a stand that Wake is scum. So, I'm comfortable with my vote, and I will move my vote to Pacman, if there is a consensus.

I already claimed so a mass claim wouldn't affect me and I don't think it would matter at this point.

[Josh_B]

Renoe. I've made a case on Wake. -Maybe I shouldn't have spoilered it. Either you agree with it or you don't. Don't come out here saying, WELL someone else should make the case. When it's already out there.
In addition to the case, the whole talk about replacement follows my train of thought that Wake is over reacting for being caught.

[Josh_B]

Titus what do you think the chances are of us running up both josh/wake for acting scummy and them both actually being town PRs?

I have a problem with this, Wake wasn't run up. At least he wasn't in comparison to my wagon. He just got all mad because two people were questioning him, and claimed some secondary role.

[Josh_B]

What if... there are 4 scum? I know the standard is three but the game I signed up for...

I assume my game is going to be reaching signups very soon so I'll just post this now

The game's pretty pr-heavy and kinda swingy (but balanced nonetheless) so if you're an old fart who doesn't like to have fun you probably shouldn't sign up

Everything else is pretty standard, two-week gamedays, three-day nights, yada yada

[Josh_B]

I ISO'd Wake, and saw this. His vote put him at L1 when he was talking to TSO. If Slandaar hadn't replied so fast and TSO had put a vote on Slandaar, Slandaar would have been lynched.

Fine. I'll VOTE: Slandaar and you'll put him at L1 so he can claim.

[Josh_B]

Oh yes it did.

Vote Count 1.18

Slandaar (5): TheYankeeReaper, Titus, reinoe, Bacde, Josh_B
Josh_B (4): evilpacman18, Mirhawk, Elyse
Bacde (1): Wake88
Titus (1): Slandaar

Not Voting: T S O, chaoslord54, Sharpest-knife-on-tree

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2014-06-25 16:00:00)

@mod:

There are three people on Josh_B but he's being listed as having four votes. Is the VC accurate?

Got it, thanks ~phok

Oh yes it did.

[Josh_B]

Wait, you're right it didn't. Titus moved his vote right before you put yours on.

@Bacde: Slandaar, Elyse or you. I am not voting anyone else.

@All, Really, this is the most bullshit claim of vig I have seen in awhile. He's facially not the vig but everyone unvotes because there are better solutions. My god what stupidity.

VOTE: Bacde

I am not seeing tomorrow and Slandaar will go lol I guess both sides wanted Titus dead. Lynch him if he tries to pull that.

I was just looking at the Vote Count.

[Josh_B]

I'm already thinking that Wake is scum, so maybe that's confbias but his vote was after the claim. So, it's not the slip I thought, but it's still just as bad.

[Josh_B]

Well before your sloppy claim, I was trying to figure out Mirhawk, TSO, and Pacman.
Mirhawk because he was going after you on the Manipulation issue that he started, challenged me and then left SKOT to press me on it, Pacman for his crap reads and TSO for agreeing with them.

Elyse has just been shit posting all game.

The only no info slot we have is Yankee.

[Josh_B]

Although, Elyse is in my list of suspects, she isn't one of my top three preferred lynches. Actually, she's number four, unless I take wake off, and then I can talk myself into it. I like all of the people on the wagon so far- (most of the people on the wagon anyways).

VOTE: Elyse

p-edit. hmm VT? No, I'm going keep my vote.

[Josh_B]

I had that post written for a long time. I don't know why I was holding back. If all claims are true, there's really nothing else for anyone to claim except VT. Wake's claim looks the most suspicious to me, but for one second, if I believe it's true. based on gameplay, elyse is still suspect.

[Josh_B]

Pacman, Mirhawk, Wake, Elyse, TSO, Slandaar, chaos, bacde, reinoe, SKOT, Titus.

My list of towniness is in that order starting with the least to the most.

TYR not included, I don't know where he fits.

[Josh_B]

@reinoe. I can't help it that there are times that I screw up, but seriously every single one of my strongest town reads are on this wagon. D1, I have to think about that, and sheep. But I don't like to sheep, so I have to justify my sheeping to myself. Now regardless of what everyone else thinks about me, or about me joining the wagon, I know that I'm town, so I have to do what helps the town. Or at least helps the people that I think are town, see the results and then evaluate again.

@Titus, The case on Mirhawk. I'm checking my ISO before I start complaining that I already said stuff and no one is listening to me. Mirhawk, has created and left two cases open for others to press. In one case, he went after Wake for pressing the manipulation issue on chaos, that he started in RVS. In the other case, He left SKOT to question me on a case that he said he has against me for not answering his question. I'm pretty sure that I answered all of the questions SKOT asked me, which included the answer to his question. I'd rather see someone re ask a question, if they are genuine, then to just arbitrarily claim that someone isn't answering questions.

About Elyse, the AtE in 1511 is good. Makes me feel better about my vote in this game.

More catching up to come.

[Josh_B]

Titus I just have one convo with you that isn't riddled with jabs and insults? (I mean that from both ends)

Your "case" on me comes down to three things:

1. Not accepting your townread on reinoe.
I DID accept this, so it's irrelevant.

I think we are going to all agree on this point, but mostly because the response to point #2 negates it.

2. Disagreeing with you about almost everyone.

This isn't scummy.

It certainly was grounds for you to start a flame war, and raise the question of who is scummy and who isn't for no reason at all. Some people see things that others don't, so we don't have to agree with each other until voting time. But since you said this isn't scummy, it pretty much drops the case you had on Titus. Since Titus isn't going to get lynched this game, it seems really nice of you to back off like this.

3. Your gut/meta

I can't dispute that but when I get on my laptop I'll show you a town game that reminds of this game. I was playing poorly and AtE'd like hell and yeah...

This claim from you says that AtE is something that you put in all games. But the way you did it in this game is spot on with your under pressure meta from the scum game that I've read. At best you could spin this as a null tell if you present your town game, and currently looks like a diversion to pressure, not a response to the game we're currently in.

[Josh_B]

Titus, I have at no point seen anything that makes me think that slandaar is going to let you tell him who to kill. And again, Yankee is a shitty kill.

Why? He's shielding a vote, that keeps town from lynching scums(if he's town). No matter what, if he replaces out, we confbias the slot based on his actions. It happens every time. It's probably the best NK that could be had, keeps the integrity of this game intact and it removes a worthless slot. Later on we will probably lynch him regardless of him replacing out or not just because he hasn't been involved at all. There's a 70/30 chance that a vig will kill town. NK on Yankee is a free pass to see if Slandaar will leash with out arbitrarily killing active towns.

[Josh_B]

Step 2: I ask you to be reasonable because this lynch is too easy and in a town that can't agree on shit, that almost certainly means scum are pushing it along

How is the Elyse lynch "easy"? It's coming after THREE PR CLAIMS. You seem to have come out of the woodworkd after lurk-a-derping all game just to offer some chainsaw defense.


@BACDE&WAKE
Please tell me you guys are seeing this. Elyse is scum.

That's not true, I was gone for the first 25 pages or so and have been here consistently since. My Elyse defense is like 3 pages new..

SURPRISE! EvilPacman swoops in to save Elyse! We know you've been gone. It was so bad that people who read this game in the future will know that you were gone. While the rest of us were bickering with each other, you weren't here. Now that we are suddenly agreeing on something, "HOUDINI" comes out smiling!

[Josh_B]

ed cop, and as far as explaining the source of your unmerited ego tripping, being a PR makes as much sense as being scum.

So can we lynch Josh_B

No, not unless I can't outwit the scum. And despite the other claims, I'm still at the top of any reasonable scum hit list. So your shallow back up lynch, means that you are trying to hide something.
I know, I voted Titus because I was trying to hide something. (p.s. It was worth trying to hide).

[Josh_B]

If we don't massclaim by tomorrow I will not unvote you Titus

1 night

That's what you get

Bacde, Did you actually claim? I've been going off the assumption from what I thought was a soft claim. and I think everyone else has been too. Why the pressure on Titus, if you already know?

[Josh_B]

A quick recap of the game:
Beginning: A Lot of lurkers, and town bickering with one another.
Middle: Town agrees to lynch Elyse. Lurkers suddenly become active, and start tunneling on Titus.
Now: Tunneling on Titus continues.

Results: Elyse Lynch becomes a high information D1 lynch. Unfortunately, bickering continues. If you are town, get on this wagon and stop BSing.

[Josh_B]

Since a Mirhawk lynch isn't happening,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Her insistence that Slandaar could be scum while simultaneously screaming for my lynch just reeks of chaining lynches, especially because Slandaar is right in that it would be dumb to claim vig as scum.

Josh and SKOT, I hope you can see that Titus is the better lynch. Mirhawk, there is enough support for a Titus lynch so hop on if you want.

How the F does this even happen? I knew somebody was going to slip. It happens every time.
If you guys aren't seeing what I see, let me elaborate- How does a person go from "I want to lynch Mirhawk" to "Mirhawk, let's lynch Titus together." ?!?!?!?!

I'm calling BS on not having a case against you're shit posting. Plus I'm going to call you out on your ridiculous earlier post on saying that SKOT and I were bussing when you clearly want him and me to help you lynch Titus also.

Translation of this post "Hey Scumreads, help me lynch my other scumread."

VOTE: Elyse

[Josh_B]

Elyse isn't going to flip town. Why are you guys wondering about this? It's obvious that she wasn't playing on our side. It feels good to lynch scum on D1, especially when they make such obvious contradictions.

[Josh_B]

I have a good idea who I should protect tonight, but it won't matter, I'm F'd. GG you guys. I hope to see you in a Future game.

[Josh_B]

How was she lynched on nothing? She played herself into that position. No remorse, no regress.

[Josh_B]

I'm just catching up on this. I protected Bacde. I thought he was the cop. Plus, if he died anyways, it would prove that Mafia has a roleblocker. Titus was undeniably Town.
His VT or Cop claim, indicated that he wasn't going to go along with the mass, out the PR's business that Pacman was playing. It was probably the towniest thing he could have done.
Slandaar, you shooting Titus says that you won't be leashed, and that you are shooting towniest players.
SKOT can you explain your read on Pacman? He seemed to be really sure that Elyse wasn't scum, and was pressing really hard for a Titus Kill.

VOTE: Slandaar

Sorry guys about Elyse. I really thought she was scum.

[Josh_B]

I'm clearly not the fucking Doctor?

Clearly not the fucking cop either. Yet you've claimed to be both.

[Josh_B]

For the Titus shot you deserve death. For this set-up, you deserve death.

I'm a Doctor. He can't exist.

This is clearly an attempt to draw the NK.

Well it didn't work, and you didn't even pretend to be trying to CC anyone. Actually that's pretty townie. But we outed all of our PR's on D1. So fake claiming is no good. Also, now that I think about your vote on me, It was really dumb for me to say who I protected yesterday. I was thinking more about the role blocker confirmation than anything else.

[Josh_B]

Wait a minute guys, please.

We've got Josh_B and T S O claiming Doc. So if we manage to lynch the liar out of the two, then tonight I'll investigate someone and the real Doc will die protecting me.

Town Doc, if you want that to happen so we have a better chance of winning you have to give it your fucking all convincing me you're innocent.

I have nothing to be able to prove anything with, except my own death. I think we should lynch one of the the lurkers who could be the possible role blocker. If we hit the Role Blocker than I can actually use my role.
Either ChaosLord, SNS, or Mirhawk.

Mirhawk hasn't posted in a week. Has he be prodded?

[Josh_B]

Who is this?
I'm a Doctor. I protected Bacde, Night 1. He died anyways.

[Josh_B]

really? do you not?

It's really rather simple; I presumed Josh was scum, I fakeclaimed Doctor to see if I'd die. The fact I didn't suggests Josh is scum, because he's not a Doctor, so it's possible they thought I actually was.

Wait WUT? How does you not dying mean that I'm scum? Earlier, I thought that you were saying that you were fake claiming to create WIFOM for the scum team so that I didn't die.

[Josh_B]

Boonskies, I thought you claimed the vig shot. If Titus is the one that worked out the shot was dayvig, how did you work out that it was against Slandaar?

[Josh_B]

ental to claim Vigilante as a regular pro-town member, because you will definitely get shot in the night by scum. Slandaar falsely claimed to protect himself from the townsmembers, and he knew he'd have no worry getting shot in the night, because he's scum.

A bulletproof scum, might I add

. He's too scummy not to lynch. I believe that we lynch him this round, and tomorrow we lynch either Titus or Elyse, depending on what Slandaar turns out to be.

No, Right here you called slandaar a bulletproof scum, and he was. How did you know it was him that got shot?

[Josh_B]

he reset. I didn't even know what a day vig was before. Titus brought it up, and I had to look it up. Him being bulletproof was the only reason that he would have claimed Vigilante.

Well this is BS then because I had you as town by role. That means there are three different Killers in this game. Scum, Slandaar, and a Dayvig. You not being the dayvig means that your questions are role fishing. The dayvig is the only possible power role left to claim. And you want him to out himself?

VOTE: Boonskies

[Josh_B]

The Dayvig is

fucking clearly 1-shot if it even exists.

It's nothing NEAR rolefishing.

What if the dayvig has 2x or 3x? If the dayvig claims, he becomes a possible target. I've been on lockdown so far this whole game concerning my role, but that doesn't prevent me from reading the DP and giving my input. Let's go back to D1, because it has the most information.

You have Titus leading the lynch on Elyse, and Pacman leading the lynch on Titus. We know now that Titus and Elyse were both town, Boonskies comes in and Votes Titus, then switches his vote to Slandaar and later to Elyse, non of which are on the scum team. Boonskies and TSO both claim that Slandaar was a TP SK in the middle of all that. The Slandaar lynch goes through so easily that scum have to be on it because they know he isn't on their team.

TSO is claiming every single PR that has come into play. Early in D1 he say that he isn't scum reading Elyse, but then later is the one that puts her to L-1 while still FoSing Titus. 1311 shows this significantly.

this feels too fast.

#1286 makes sense, Elyse, and I've yet to hear you explain it.

I'm voting you because I don't believe this bullshit about dayvigs and bulletproofs. You got to L-1 and then vc resets straight away? that's significant.

Don't think it's going to go unnoticed how easily you both turn on me, when I'm the one trying to figure out which scum needs to die.

Salamance is lurking, ChaosLord and Mirhawk are VLA. I have suspicions that one of these three are the roleblocker and I want that person dead. D-E-D dead.
I'm not going to post anything else in this game until ChaosLord and Mirhawk come back. Asking for the dayvig to claim is scum claim, There has already been enough anti-town behavior here, and I'm calling you out on it.
Dayvig, Don't claim.

[Josh_B]

Okay, so let us recap what has happened at the end of Day 2.

Josh B/T S O - both have claimed cop.

Josh B didn't claim COP. He claimed DR. TSO claimed both Cop and DR.

I really want to lynch one of these today, but alas, I don't believe there is any evidence against either of them.

Slandaar - Bulletproof Serial Killer,

Titus - Townie, brought the realization that there is a day vig who shot a bulletproof in this game.

So was Slandaar the one who was shot during the day in Day 1 to get the reset? or do we have other bullet proof people? And if Titus wasn't the one to shoot,

who was?

Evidence of Boonskies Asking the Dayvig to claim

Wake - has seemed suspicious the whole game for me, but again, there's nothing for me that is certain.

Wake claimed Backup Cop. How is he at the top of you suspicious list? If anything, tonight is the chance for him to prove his role.

Looks like we're almost back to starting from scratch.

I don't know if you know this, but the actual cop was killed. (yes you do know this) So going after the remaining PRs is garbage. Everything about this post says, Let's lynch a PR. I'm not buying it.

[Josh_B]

Regardless, I believe Josh is trying to figure out who the day vig is so they can't claim later in the game and screw him up.

I'm not trying to figure out who the day vig is. I'm trying to keep the Dayvig hidden. I thought you were the dayvig, because of the Post I provided already, so it struck me as odd that you were asking about the dayvig on your opening post.

[Josh_B]

So, who's feeling manipulated yet?

-I am.

[Josh_B]

VOTE: chaoslord

I've voted and pushed for people that I think are scummy this whole game, and have been ignoring people that I just think are not paying attention. But this time the numbers work out. Either Wake is scum and lying about his role, or Wake is town, I'm not willing to bet that he's scum just yet. Either he'll die tonight, or he won't, and that will be more confirming to me about voting for him. Everyone so far has been fairly active, except ChaosLord. If we are in Mylo with a three man scum team and wake is town, then scum either can't hammer, or else Wake is scum, and we are just being paranoid about voting him.

[Josh_B]

boonskies, SNS, who are your top scum reads?

[Josh_B]

Hmmm. VOTE: Wake

[Josh_B]

I'm always suspicious when someone says "oh sorry I'm catching up" and then it takes them forever to catchup up. There been hardly any activity since chaos went on V/LA.

This post alone screams scummy. You and Wake's arguments take time to read over and evaluate. PLus, you know it was a holiday weekend. Just because someone doesn't make a decision exactly when you want it is a pretty lame reason to try and call suspicions on someone

You should Change your vote to Wake. Why do you think I want wake lynched with your vote?

Give me a better defense and less scummy evidence and I will change my vote to Wake. But I feel that he is town and telling me to change my vote after I just said I don't think you're right so far is pretty scummy. My vote on you stays

We are AT LYLO. Wake is at L-1. Vote Wake so we can win! Stop Messing around. The game is over <if you vote WAKE!>

[Josh_B]

Thank GOD. That was like pulling Teeth.

[Josh_B]

lol game. although I can't see how you won it playing like that -_-

God I'm stupid.

speaking of which

fun fact: I had to replace out because chaoslord over here was POSTING IN HIS SCUM QT IN FRONT OF ME AT WORK and so I knew he was scum

Thank you for sharing that, and thank you for being honest about the game.

[Josh_B]

Lol sorry I totally am at work and missed that for a moment.

I have been camping by comp, waiting for you to come in so we could hammer. Ever since we got the the vote from Mirhawk.

[Josh_B]

it so I thought I would play the town card, let Reinoe post more evidence then change it. Sorry guys

It was good posturing if the dayvig hadn't already killed TSO. I know it's twilight, but we're carrying on like a bunch of school girls. Let's wait for Phok to post endgame so we can get everyone back in here.

[Josh_B]

Actually Chaos, can you vote again. I'm going to be so mad if your vote isn't formatted right. It looks bolded and doesn't have the Colon in the middle of it like normal votes do.

VOTE: WAKE88

[Josh_B]

Thanks.

[Josh_B]

I just want to see who the real DayVig was.

[Josh_B]

I had more evidence against TSO, I was just waiting for ChaosLord to come in and Vote so I could use it.
Even though I never protected anyone, I didn't say who I protected on Night2, I was going to say that I protected boonskies, because dayvig. As a town doctor getting roleblocked, scum had three options, NK me, and block SKOT. Kill Boonskies, and Block SKOT, or Kill SKOT and block me. Leaving the DayVig alive could have been dangerous for scum with a real role blocker. I really played on the idea that a claimed DR is worthless. Reinoe really wanted to NK Slandaar on N1. I'm glad we didn't because Bacade's death made TSO think that ChaosLord was town. If reinoe and I led the lynch on ChaosLord, with (Boonskies, and Wake) Mirhawk, and TSO would have been the remaining SCUM. We had a big plan to take out Titus, but Slandaar ruined it, and we didn't really have as much of a plan for this DP. But we were going to go after SNS and Mirhawk. I fake claimed Doc because I thought there would be a Counter Claim. I'm really surprised that there wasn't, and I thought that Bacde was the Cop, I wanted my team to know who I wanted to kill after I was lynched.

Phok:

Can you tell us about how you created this game? With 3 killing roles, 1 town, 1 TP, and the Scumteam, I think a Dr., and a RoleBlocker would have been more balancing than the Godfather with the Backup Cop.

[Josh_B]

I want to know why I was shot. I really want to know why I was shot and THEN YOU LYNCHED WAKE WHO WAS OBVTOWN AS FUCK JESUS.

Yea, I didn't expect a Wake Kill. But Mirhawk put the vote down, so... endgame.

[Josh_B]

The reason scum won this game was because they killed people backing them, which made me think they were looking to mislynch chaoslord and isolate reinoe.

I agree with this, However PR's held more weight than shared interest both nights.

[Josh_B]

wp reinoe! you were the best of the scumteam on play. chaoslord skated by with Bacde's protection and Josh was a scumfuck, but I was actually townreading you on play also.

This is true, but I didn't need to convince everyone that I was town. I did however convince Boonskies, and he shot you instead of me. So.. there is that.

[Josh_B]

Whew. 2-0 with completed games and I've never lost a partner. Almost lost josh though. I really did want to hammer...

BTW, did you guys know that I told everyone to claim

Deputy

if one of us got run up???? It's a perfectly safe, unverifiable claim....Irony of Ironies, josh either defied me or forgot and then claimed doctor.


BTW, Chaoslord and Josh...
Do you guys want to release the Scum QT?

I'm linking it here. I didn't claim deputy because I thought I was made. I was trying to pull a CC that luckily never happened. I really thought that more people would either lynch me or wake when he claimed. If I was lynched first Wake was confirmed town. If Wake was lynched first, I was confirmed scum, so I really never wanted to Wake to die.

[Josh_B]

With so many Killing roles, it would have been fine for a two man scum team, if the town had a doc instead of back-up cop. Scum would have been more likely to try to protect the SK's NightKill to counter balance the town having two kills. I'm not even sure if Scum would need a PR for that set-up, eh, a role blocker wouldn't hurt, I guess but that's still three potential kills against town every phase. Maybe a town JailKeeper instead of a cop with a mafia roleblocker would be ok.

[Josh_B]

Mass claim on D1 didn't help town either.