Mini 1579: The Great Flavor Caper (Game Over)

[chaoslord54]

Vote: Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Random vote time!

[chaoslord54]

Why do you need links josh? You have my word, which is even better than links!

Also Bacde I really think that further proof would be nice just because it would help to support your claim on rather or not we should vote Slandaar. Without further evidence though I feel like your argument is lacking since it has nothing to back up what you claim you've seen in other games.

Slandaar get in here and confirm that the last game i was in with you where you didnt vote in your first post you were scum plz

Why do you need Slandaar to tell us? It makes it hard to believe you since you are so hard press on not just giving us a link.

[chaoslord54]

And Chaoslord segways into manipulation in post two.

It was not my intent to manipulate. I just feel that he makes a good argument on why we should vote Slandeer but would like a little more evidence before I chose to vote on his side. If I came off manipulative then that was not was I intended at all

[chaoslord54]

Lol i think you are taking page one a little too seriously

I probably am. Sorry this is my first game so I may have taken it a little too seriously as you mentioned

[chaoslord54]

For now I'm retracting my random lynch vote

Unvote:Sharpest-knife-on-tree

[chaoslord54]

TYR I think you bring up some great points, before I cast my vote though I want to hear Josh_B's defense.

[chaoslord54]

@Elyse

I think that me being apologetic is not being scummy. It's just that since this is my first game I feel a little guilty because I feel like I was being influenced a little too quickly at the beginning of the game and posting too quick before thinking out my posts and I just don't want to annoy people so I'm trying to think it out a little more before I comment. That's why I also mentioned that for now I want to hear more comments before I take a vote.

[chaoslord54]

Chaoslord...do you have any mafia experience anywhere else online?

Not really. Never found a good site until this one

[chaoslord54]

@Elyse
I first thought that Bacde had a strong argument only because his was the first in the game and since this is my first game I thought about it and realized that it sounded good but before I had a chance to vote I saw how many people starting commenting how it wasn't a strong argument and Bacde himself said that his argument was a weak one at best in post 43 and he also pointed out that I was taking the first page a little too serious so I decided that I shouldn't vote for Slandaar yet because people had already pointed out he was not actually being scum. That's why I'm taking my time before I vote now and why I did not choose to vote for Slandaar.

[chaoslord54]

@ Josh I would like to see you give a more detailed answer to what Slandaar is asking you because you avoiding it is coming off as scummy to me.

Josh_B

[chaoslord54]

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Vote Josh_B

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@ Titus
You know I actualy legitimately missed the fact that Reinoe asked Slandaar a question. When I was reading through I only really saw pressing for Josh_B so I must have missed that post.
I do see your point and can see why it could be considered unfair. Although I still am kinda leaning towards Josh_B, I would also be very interested to hear both Slandaar's and Josh_B's responses.

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@Wake88
What I meant by my post is that I was trying to say that I was trying to communicate why back at first I was voting the way that I was and that if it came off as manipulation that it was not supposed to be taken that way. I never said I was unintentionally manipulating, I was saying that if someone took my post as manipulation that it was taken the wrong way then.

[chaoslord54]

Also from reading through the posts, I still feel that although Josh_B is coming off a little questionable, I am starting to question which side Titus is on so for now I am going to remove my vote.

Unvote: Josh_B

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@Bacde
You know what to be honest I was about 6 to 7 pages behind so I kinda skimmed through quickly to try and get the gist of it so I could make a comment. I must have missed some of your points.

@Reinoe
Why do you feel that Titus is town?

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@Bacde
I was trying to choose the best words to reflect a complete answer for Wake88 and I think that when I was skimming through I caught some of the keywords from one of your posts and they just popped up as good words to make my point with. Did not mean to copy you though

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys sorry I have not had time to come into this lately. Okay so I've been trying my best to read through all the posts thoroughly.

Vote:Slandaar

[chaoslord54]

If need be I will take the time to explain my vote tomorrow.

[chaoslord54]

Is anybody else claiming vig?
Because if not then that means Slandaar is undisputed

[chaoslord54]

There are a lot of possibilities, and i only see more potential negative than positive from lynching slandaar now than waiting and deciding if he is a nuisance to lynch later.

From all the posts I've been seeing about rather or not Slandaar is vig or not I feel this pretty much sums it up enough for me. Unless anyone can make a better claim on why we should still lynch Slandaar I'm removing my vote.

Unvote: Slandaar

[chaoslord54]

His claim is bullshit.

@Titus, if no one is ccing him and if there hasn't been any good evidence to prove anyways how then is his claim bullshit?

[chaoslord54]

She specifically said she WASN'T doing that.

If Titus is not ccing then what is she doing? Because in my opinion so far I see no reason to not believe Slandaar unless someone ccs.

[chaoslord54]

I could claim Town 1-shot Cop as scum. A Cop's not guaranteed to be in the game, so usually no-one will counterclaim me, and there's no real way to prove I'm lying.

This is what Titus is saying is happening here.

Oh okay that clears it up a little more. But this still then goes back to the idea of shouldn't we then not lynch him though on the first day and see what happens? Because if he is claiming vig and we don't lynch him and there's no evidence of vig actions in the second day then Slandaar's claim would be proven false and combined with the first day actions would prove to be scum. But if we do lynch him on the first day and he ends up being vig that would be bad.

I don't know, I just feel as Bacde mentioned earlier that the negative outweigh the positives of lynching Slandaar.

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I do NOT like reinoe suggesting we continue to lynch Slandaar while simultaneously unvoting him.

@Elyse
If you look back at post 515, post 488, and post 501 I feel like he's expressing the idea that he is still skeptical about Slandaar but he removed his vote because there is not enough evidence to prove that Slandaar is being scummy anymore. I also feel like in post 509 he shows that he has had his retrospect changed a bit. I will admit it comes off a little scummy but that it's not scummy enough to make Reinoe seem suspicious to me just because I feel like his actions can still be considered reasonable. That just my thoughts though

[chaoslord54]

I also do not feel that he's still pushing for a lynch on Slandaar, but instead is again just making sure that his concerns are kept in mind by the group

@Reinoe
Care to maybe bring more clarification for all of us on what your intents are at this point with Slandaar?

[chaoslord54]

Although I feel that Wake's actions are scummy as well, I really feel that Titus is the scummiest. She keeps aggresively pushing for Slandaar while seeming to completely ignore the legitimate reasons that everyone else is posting about why we shouldn't lynch him.

Shut up scum. If town has backbone, you'd be dead already.

We do have a backbone we just don't see any logic in your arguments. Until you back off of Slandaar and start contributing in other ways I call scum.

Vote Titus

[chaoslord54]

Definitely? I think that Titus's play is town. I was in a game with him recently where he was scum, and his play is remarkably different,
But If anyone is definitely town, it's me. If anyone is definitely Scum it's Slandaar. If Titus is scum, you are definitely his scum partner.
This is why Pacman's reads are definitely crap.
I think I understand a few players, but TSO WTF? Sarcasm, I hope.

@Josh_B.

For starters, just because someone has played one way before in a game does not mean that's how they will always play. In fact, if anything playing in what would be considered in a normal town fashion when you're scum is a perfect way of trying to deceive people. I don't buy that argument.

[chaoslord54]

But If anyone is definitely town, it's me.

@Josh_B
You've been in question most of this game so then to make a claim about yourself being town comes off as scummy to me. I'm going to keep an eye on you

[chaoslord54]

(SKOT is a fine policy kill which nets guaranteed towncred. Titus is not)

This is true. Killing SKOT guarantees praise regardless of alignment

I could be willing to step down on my vote on Titus if we all came to an agreement to lynch SKOT.

[chaoslord54]

So does that mean that we are now assuming that Josh_B is doc since there haven't been any ccs yet? Also, are we still trying to go after SKOT or are we now focusing on Wake?

Also, @Titus now that I'm starting to see you make other statements then just about Slandaar I am starting to feel more comfortable with assuming you're town

Unvote Titus

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@Titus
Why has your vote now landed on me?

[chaoslord54]

So does that mean that we are now assuming that Josh_B is doc since there haven't been any ccs yet? Also, are we still trying to go after SKOT or are we now focusing on Wake?

Also, @Titus now that I'm starting to see you make other statements then just about Slandaar I am starting to feel more comfortable with assuming you're town

Unvote Titus

VOTE: Chaoslord

I have been.

Comments on PR situation later.

Pretty clear. You're implying I didn't talk about anyone but Slandaar scum, which is far from the case. So I voted you. Why are you so concerned?

Actually if you read my post more carefully Titus I say that I noticed you were making more posts then just about Slandaar being scum which is why I took my vote off of you. So I wasn't implying that you were only commenting about Slandaar, which is how I felt earlier on, I was instead implying that I was wrong and that you were making more comments.
Also, I'm not concerned I was asking a question because your vote seemed random and had no logical point to draw on. Don't jump so quickly to conclusions just because someone asks something

[chaoslord54]

So, who's feeling manipulated yet?

What do you mean?

[chaoslord54]

So I read through the different posts and have a few things.
First off @titus
You never really addressed my last post towards you or have really explained hy you're scum reading me especially because your original reason was crap. Also, you jump wy too quickly on claiming people are scum who disagree with you with not very good reasons for it either. But that's my opinion.

Next,
I feel that although not present much I feel evilpacman is town. His posts do not come off scummy to me.

Next,
As mentioned I feel wakes claim is crap. It seems too quick and only seems to happen to attempt to save his hide. I personally call bs on it.

vote wake88

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys I am going to be limited to my phone for a couple of days so I will take some time a little later tonight to respond to anything directed to me and to try and give more insight.

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys sorry that I've been gone for so long. I was in an area without internet for longer then I thought. Reading over now and will post later tonight.

[chaoslord54]

@MOD
Why was the vt reset?

Also

Vote Titus

[chaoslord54]

Or you could vote Elyse. The count mysteriously reset when she hit L-1

@Reinoe
That is true, but at the same time if you look back Titus was close to being L-1 because she was up to five votes and was starting to fall under suspicion when magically the vc reset. Where Elyse on the other hand had been close to L-1 for a while. If she was it, wouldn't she have reset it earlier? I think this all points towards the fact that Titus has been being quite scummy for a while now

[chaoslord54]

It doesn't explain who shot who and who was bullet proof, though. You are saying that Titus being scum dayvig shot someone to keep him from being lynched? What if he was a town dayvig? Titus would only make sense to shoot Slandaar or Elyse, which means either one of them could be scum as well. Keep in mind, Slandaar had claimed to be vig, so Titus shooting means that Slandaar's claim was obviously false. And it is detrimental to claim Vigilante as a regular pro-town member, because you will definitely get shot in the night by scum. Slandaar falsely claimed to protect himself from the townsmembers, and he knew he'd have no worry getting shot in the night, because he's scum. A bulletproof scum, might I add. He's too scummy not to lynch. I believe that we lynch him this round, and tomorrow we lynch either Titus or Elyse, depending on what Slandaar turns out to be.

Okay I think you have a good point. Boonskies and I can compromise with that.

Vote Slandaar

[chaoslord54]

Starting to feel that there is more evidence against her then anyone else represented so far. Switching my vote for now. Hope you guys are right about everything!

Vote:Elyse

[chaoslord54]

Yea if we end up lynching Elyse and if she ends up not being scum then I say we start hunting through the people who started this band wagon and start seeing who are potential scum and who is not. And if she ends up being scum then naturally we should hunt down those who defended her heavily.

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@Elyse
For me as I went through and re-looked through the posts about you especially about the vote count reset, I at first was leaning towards Titus or Slandaar but had my suspicions about you. But with Slandaar's recent case and Titus' comments as well my suspicions about you rose. So maybe it was not specifically "new" evidence against you, but instead it was more because of the lack of evidence imo of the others I had suspicions about. Also, I feel that if you end up not being scum, your lynch would be a good way to hunt down scum because then we can start hunting the people who pushed for your lynch more thoroughly.
If you need me to I will list all the posts that changed my mind if this was not enough information

[chaoslord54]

Okay here's my reasoning for my new vote.

Spoiler:

Listed below is all my reasoning:
1210
I feel that Reinoe has a good point with this
1233
Vc reset but I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt and thought maybe it could have been Titus since she was close to being lynched as well although I still had suspicions towards you or Slandaar though.
1272
This post led me away from Titus and brought my focus onto Slandaar but that did not last long because as I thought through some of his posts I realized that there is no reason to lynch him today.
1270
Felt that this was a good point and made me start to lean towards you
1286
Started to make me feel suspicious and confirm some of my thoughts towards you
1288
Seems suspicious overall that this happened right before you were going to be lynched.
1297 and 1298
These support my ideas on how I mentioned that lynching you can help reveal who we should go after tomorrow because it shows that if you were scum who may be scum with you and if you are town who may be scum by starting the band wagon in the first place to most likely lead suspicion away from them

So yea, most likely you'll have some issue with my logic no doubt. But imo this is why I feel the way I do

[chaoslord54]

Whatever chaos lord. You are going to look horrible when I flip town.

Lol Elyse I post evidence against you and this is all you can say about it? Also, who am I going to look horrible all I'm doing is showing how I support the band wagon against you much like everyone else. Stop trying to turn this against others and start explaining yourself because obviously you haven't been doing that well enough

[chaoslord54]

I'm still not convinced with Slandaar. You guys completely brushed off the fact that he might not actually be a vig.

I noticed that Boonskiies but I feel like it's something we can confirm or take care of tomorrow but I wrote that down to address after we take care of today

[chaoslord54]

Smh

What is "smh". I've seen that around and can't figure it out.

Lol it means shake my head

[chaoslord54]

oh my god I feel so much apathy for this game.

Why do you have apathy towards this game?

[chaoslord54]

Vote Slandaar

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys sorry I finally was able to get back on. Will read things over and post soon.

[chaoslord54]

VOTE: chaoslord

I've voted and pushed for people that I think are scummy this whole game, and have been ignoring people that I just think are not paying attention. But this time the numbers work out. Either Wake is scum and lying about his role, or Wake is town, I'm not willing to bet that he's scum just yet. Either he'll die tonight, or he won't, and that will be more confirming to me about voting for him. Everyone so far has been fairly active, except ChaosLord. If we are in Mylo with a three man scum team and wake is town, then scum either can't hammer, or else Wake is scum, and we are just being paranoid about voting him.

Lol Josh if you look I've been V/La for a week and have also mentioned that another time I was not posting because I did not have service and could only post on my phone. I'm not lurking, I've just been a little busy lately.

[chaoslord54]

Plus being gone for a week leads to a lot of posts to read so give me a break lol

[chaoslord54]

I'm always suspicious when someone says "oh sorry I'm catching up" and then it takes them forever to catchup up. There been hardly any activity since chaos went on V/LA.

Reinoe are you talking about me in this post?

[chaoslord54]

I do feel that early in the day he comes off as a little panicky and his defense seems a little edgy. But as the day went on I feel like he started to bring up some good points and although it shows that he was starting to get aggressive and a little frustrated I personally feel that he is town.

In fact, I feel that if anything my suspicions land on Reinoe. This whole day you have been trying to manipulate and force people into voting your way with pretty bad arguments that seem clumped together wayy to fast. Also, the fact that you are getting upset that I don't see things automatically your way is pretty scummy.

Vote: Reinoe

[chaoslord54]

I'm always suspicious when someone says "oh sorry I'm catching up" and then it takes them forever to catchup up. There been hardly any activity since chaos went on V/LA.

This post alone screams scummy. You and Wake's arguments take time to read over and evaluate. PLus, you know it was a holiday weekend. Just because someone doesn't make a decision exactly when you want it is a pretty lame reason to try and call suspicions on someone

[chaoslord54]

I'm always suspicious when someone says "oh sorry I'm catching up" and then it takes them forever to catchup up. There been hardly any activity since chaos went on V/LA.

This post alone screams scummy. You and Wake's arguments take time to read over and evaluate. PLus, you know it was a holiday weekend. Just because someone doesn't make a decision exactly when you want it is a pretty lame reason to try and call suspicions on someone

You should Change your vote to Wake. Why do you think I want wake lynched with your vote?

Give me a better defense and less scummy evidence and I will change my vote to Wake. But I feel that he is town and telling me to change my vote after I just said I don't think you're right so far is pretty scummy. My vote on you stays

[chaoslord54]

Nvm I change my answer.

Unvote Reinoe

Vote Wake88

[chaoslord54]

Lol sorry I totally am at work and missed that for a moment.

[chaoslord54]

God I'm stupid.

[chaoslord54]

lol game. although I can't see how you won it playing like that -_-

God I'm stupid.

speaking of which

fun fact: I had to replace out because chaoslord over here was POSTING IN HIS SCUM QT IN FRONT OF ME AT WORK and so I knew he was scum

it wasn't on purpose I thought he was on a work order and did not see him coming back or that he would see my screen

[chaoslord54]

Thank GOD. That was like pulling Teeth.

I know sorry lol. I saw your vote on me and missed the fact that you changed it so I thought I would play the town card, let Reinoe post more evidence then change it. Sorry guys

[chaoslord54]

Lol I hope I did at least a little okay for my first game.

[chaoslord54]

Lol sorry I totally am at work and missed that for a moment.

I have been camping by comp, waiting for you to come in so we could hammer. Ever since we got the the vote from Mirhawk.

Well it wasn't on purpose Josh so I'm sorry. Again, since I'm at work I have to kinda go back and forth quickly but I knew we were close to winning so I was trying my best to stay active.

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VOTE:WAKE88