Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[neil1113]

Damnitt. Now you guys know I'm a cop.

[neil1113]

neil, are you going to fakeclaim in every game we're in together? xD

No, but you can yell at me if you want. Maybe then I'll stop being lazy and scumhunt!

... Seriously, I have no solid scumread to go after. Someone do something scummy please?

Always and forever!!! Fakeclaim King.

Nah but hold on, I don't want to say anything scummy so first I'm going to have to consult with my buddies in the scum chat real quick to make sure we are on the same page. I'll be right back.

[neil1113]

Actually, screw this.

VOTE: Julatorium

How come you get to sit in the front seat with TSO, and I have to be in the back? I serve and protect damnitt!!!!!

[neil1113]

not shooting was so remarkably antitown wow

We have a Vig? I've got to relook at the set-up...

[neil1113]

And read the game, that'd help too.

Eh... doesn't seem to be helping anyone else in the game right now.

*rolls eyes*

[neil1113]

That was weird.

I didnt even know, but something sounds fishy with me not dying.

Was anyone pretty influential in your decision of who to kill last night? You could be alive because the scum (or someone in the scum team) thinks they can manipulate you for their own good... just an idea.

[neil1113]

@Neil: read the game.

I've read through the game but didn't really see much, then again I wasn't exactly looking hard at the claimed Vig...

I wanted to throw that idea out there anyway to help if I could. I'm not sure the necessity of telling me to "read the game" and how that invalidates my advice or suggestions? Mafia theory is mafia theory, regardless of the mafia game. That's why it's "theory."

[neil1113]

Flavor: A

TSO, why wouldn't we lynch off of JK results?

[neil1113]

VOTE: Elmo Teh Azn

Are we back at this?
Its a new day and we're back at square one with this dumb shit again?

Is this really the best defense you have against someone voting you right now?

[neil1113]

I shall be reading through this fully, and hopefully we can get this game back to life. As I read through it, I'll give you guys updates on my thoughts and stuff.

By the way, Roll Call! If you're still around, say here.

[neil1113]

Sigh. It sucks work has caught me up and I still have yet a chance to even read this dreaded game. I will though. I must. But if it's helpful for the moment:

VOTE: Insanity

[neil1113]

Hopping on.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elmo

I don't care which of Elmo or Insanity is hung up but oddly after a previous game, I tend to trust Moon. A bit too much I'd say.

[neil1113]

._.

Dat hammer w/o a claim first.

The heck?

That wasn't the hammer... the vote count said there was only 3 votes on Elmo. Not Mafia put it at 4. My vote put it at 5. That's L-1.

[neil1113]

Yep... just noticed your vote. Damnitt.

P. Edit. Really babe? :/

Ahem. *rolls eyes*

[neil1113]

Yep... just noticed your vote. Damnitt.

Yep... just noticed your vote. Damnitt.

P. Edit. Really babe? :/

Ahem. *rolls eyes*

WTF! Lemini played in lady's night. Have we been duped?

I'm confused what you mean? She's my wife.

[neil1113]

Oh ok. I like her a lot.

I was going to be sad if she had a penis.

Me too.

[neil1113]

Actually what bothers me the most about neil's hammer is that he hasn't expressed any real town or scum reads on anyone since replacing in.

I just admitted to not having read the game prior. To my understanding, deadline was approaching. Even so, I didn't mean to hammer to be honest. I can't express town or scum reads on people who I haven't read up on?

[neil1113]

I have no idea what I just read...

[neil1113]

Hi.

I am town.

If you're lying and there's red text in your PM, you owe TSO big time. He looked Town as fuck and was being townread by everyone when he pushed for Elmo's lynch (so he didn't really need the towncred). I don't want your slot lynched.

Justin/Lemniscate flipping Town was unexpected. insanity looks worse with agent's death, as does Mala with Elmo's flip combined with her wanting insanity lynched instead.

And yet, something tells me I should leave those two be. I can't put my finger on it, but it seems too straightforward to be right.

VOTE: neil

(No mention of me until the vote. And then after naming me for the vote, still no mention of me...

928 sticks out for me. I've only played one game with him (I was scum and he was Town) and that specific post shows an "eager to please" mentality that Town-neil completely lacked in my opinion. >_>

Ah here it is. What exactly are you saying? You've played one game with me, and based off of that one single post, you're trying to meta me? I hadn't read the game. If you noticed, I quickly shifted my vote when I was told to. I didn't give a crap about Insanity or Elmo (no offense), and was willing to vote either one. Explain to me how that ties me to a scum team with Elmo? And explain to me how hammering / bussing my partner was in any way beneficial, when I could have easily not posted and been completely justified with the whole (not have read the game) idea.

You're vote makes little to no sense, and you are absolutely right. We have played together once, where you were scum and I was town. And ironically, you tried this exact gambit then too on me. And it backfired. And you were mod-killed.

VOTE: Moonlight

You're play shockingly resembles your scum play. Since we're using Meta, I'm going to go find that link and show everyone here that link. I'd love for them to look at it and tell us, does my play here (for the most part, not just one fucking post) resemble my play there? Does your play resemble your play there?

And if so (which I presume they will draw the conclusion that they are both similar), I was town and you were scum... I believe you kind of just buried yourself in your own meta. Thanks for bringing it up though, I would have missed it. <3

[neil1113]

Here it is for everyone who wants to look. When you're done looking at it, feel free to vote Moonlight. Whoever Moon's partner(s) are, after reading this game and seeing the awful resemblance, nobody will judge you for bussing Moon here. So just go ahead and do it.

Click Here for Moonlight's incriminating evidence.

And if you guys don't want to read much, check out the hilarious comparison to him trying to vein a lynch on my after I hammered someone the day before, and how the exact situation is playing out here. I'll go ahead and give you a short link directly to his play and you decide for yourself.

Click Here for Moonlight's ridiculous fake lynch attempt on me.

[neil1113]

notty, get in here and tell me if neil is overly paranoid Town or scum. I'm going back and forth between being indecisive to wanting him lynched. >_<

I'll decipher it for you NotScience. (welcome to the game, by the way.)

"Can I get enough people to mislynch Neil? Or should I look to mislynch somebody else?"

[neil1113]

Honestly, I don't believe scum has posted yet... or are lurking right now while posting nothing really. Once they bite, I'll hook them in and we can lynch scum. First we need people in here to freaking talk though.

Guys, what is your opinions on obvscum Moonlight and my arguments? Discussion? Go!

P.Edit: Oh hi there Moon!

[neil1113]

Damnitt! Damnitt! Damnitt to HELLLL!

I really thought Insanity was the last scum(s?)....

But that didn't fit what I thought scum would do at all.

UNVOTE:

Moonlight, I was trying not to get into a debate back and forth with you. The game I posted has absolutely no relevancy towards this game, but scum wouldn't really be interested in knowing the truth. Just jumping on an easy wagon to pull off a lynch. My wagon on you was hellabad.... on purpose. Which is why I wouldn't address your points. I was waiting for Insanity to comment. If Insanity jumped on you, it'd confirm to me she was scum. If she jumped on me, there'd be a 50/50 chance she saw the terrible case and attributed it to a scum play, or that she's scum pushing for a lynch based on what others have said. What I did NOT account for, is her not coming back with a strong vote on either one of us. That kinda confirms her as town to me to be honest.

I'm not saying Moon is confirmed town, but Moon is town to me to a certain degree for the moment. You're response to my shit case was exactly what I'd expect from town. Scum Moon, as I saw last game, would have responded quite differently in my opinion. TSO/NotScience I find to be way too damn towny. TSO doesn't have that bold of a play style to push a counterwagon onto his own buddy if he was scum (in my opinion)... If he was doing that, this would be a game he'd be invested in, (as scum), and he wouldn't have replaced out. I hate using replacement strategy as tells, but when you've played with someone so much you kind of see it clearly.

So we have my town pile: insanity018 notscience moonlight
My hard to decipher pile: Not_Mafia
And my scum pile: hephaestus Malakittens

That's pretty much all I have left. And Heph's (well, Juls) avoidance of Elmo is honestly alerting. Because of the way the last phase was played, my vote I feel would be best served between Mala and Heph. Heph came on board here after replacing in and I noticed their messages. It was very soft, not too outspoken / offensive, almost coasting... as if testing out the waters. There wasn't really much oomph in it, and it didn't look like Heph was really pressing to find scum. Mala I can't help but feel like is coasting as well, contributing nothing. Their latest post to NotScience really pinged my radar. With a ongoing argument, it shocks me that the only contribution Mala can bring is asking NS is "his little buddy scum"?

It also kind of shocks me, nobody told me my case was shit and to look elsewhere. Did anyone besides Insanity actually even read through it? (Another reason why I suspect Heph was the questions concerning my case... it didn't appear that Heph actually read the case.) I'm going to look back real quick and see if we have 1 or 2 scum left. I'm thinking 1 but I'd like to be sure. If it's 1, I'm going to have to decide between Heph and Mala. If two, I'll probably vote Heph for the pure fact of me feeling like I have more to go off of (scum-tells) with that slot.

[neil1113]

We should wait to get a vote count before anyone else posts, or even an unofficial one if somebody wants to tread back and count the votes. Accidental hammers won't be favoring us at all right now. Honestly, I'm having a hard time deciding who Heph's partner is... Reading over Mala, I don't see a strong town read as others have so vocally declared. Was it interactions with Elmo that give you a town read on her? Because reading the interactions between the two, look forced and unnatural for the most part. I could easily see a team between the two.

[neil1113]

Not Mafia and Heph is scum. FYI.

I'm a Vanilla Town. Nobody too special. Luckily you didn't kill a PR, just a VT. How the hell did my wagon even really get off the ground?

*sigh*.

Alrighty, peace out guys.

[neil1113]

Nobody counter claimed Heph for good reason. We'd lose a power role. Although when I think about it, I think a power role for a mafia might actually be worth the counter claim...

I'm not dead? I'm a little confused.

If Heph is who he says he is, then damn. I have no idea who scum is. Not_Mafia hammering me that way, was in no way indicative of town. Hell, if it's not yelling "I'm scum and I know it" then I don't know what is. Especially for someone who's played more than one game (even as scum) like Not_Mafia.

Seeing as Not_Mafia didn't hammer me, or was gambiting or whatever he wants to call it... my read on him is blurry. And actually, I'm looking back at Moon's response toward me challenging him (granted it was a terrible case) and realizing, there was a lot of paranoia in his posts. It reads to me almost like scum caught for the wrong reasons, more than town astonished that someone is pushing a bad case. Perhaps that's just the way I'm reading it.

I have no one I want to vote for right now without another read through of the last few pages, because I'm stumped to be quite honest.

[neil1113]

Not_Mafia:

I've played 35 games on this site over a period of 6 years.. (that I tracked and have links to. I may have forgotten a couple.) I change my meta with every game I play, on purpose. Specifically as scum too. Good luck trying to meta me. (P.S. I'm not entirely sure the answer to your question, but I wouldn't be surprised. I've fake claimed PR's as town, so I've probably done it as scum.)

Hephaestus: That's fucking insulting. Look through any of my 35 games on here, and tell me one fucking example of me "sheeping" as scum. I'm not a fucking newbie, I don't fucking sheep people. I have my own reads and do my own thing, and I fucking resent being looked at like a kid with no balls looking up to an older kid hoping to be as cool as he is. Fuck. You.

[neil1113]

Laugh at me if you'd like but, the paranoid conspiracy theorist in me says neil/Not_Mafia scum team and this whole thing was planned. Mostly because neil is still ringing alarm bells for me and you can notice him moving suspicion onto Moonlight as soon as Not_Mafia voted for him (Moon).

Well, you provided the counter argument to that in a previous post:

all scum have to do in this game is sit back and wait for town to get lynched

N_M could have done it for the towncred as scum, but he didn't need to exactly.

However, what you said about neil is better than what I've got on Mala. I've got to consider that he stopped trying his best once he thought he was dead.

VOTE: neil

L-1, again.

PEdit:

I change my meta with every game I play, on purpose. Specifically as scum too. Good luck trying to meta me.

Look through any of my 35 games on here, and tell me one fucking example of me "sheeping" as scum.

Does not compute. ?_?

... what?

[neil1113]

You said you change your meta with every game you play. You cannot then ask someone to check your games for something particular.

Are you... stupid?

There are two questions, given two answers. Separate answers. *sigh*

There is one thing telling that is exempt from meta. If somebody doesn't do it in 35 games, why the FUCK would you assume they'd start now?

The unintelligence here is astounding. I don't remember you being this dense.

VOTE: Moonlight

And if anyone reading this does NOT see why Moon is scum, then just fucking hammer me. When I flip, lynch his ass. Period.

Thanks and good game.

[neil1113]

Hahaha someone just hammer neil pls

If somebody doesn't do it in 35 games, why the FUCK would you assume they'd start now?

From the wiki:

Meta, short for metagame, is a term for the knowledge of how a player or moderator will act based on previous experience.

And you said you change yours every game. By definition, you have no meta.

Boy, I finally feel good about my vote!

I can't wait...

Vote: Neil

[neil1113]

Moon is so scum lol, it's hilarious.

VOTE: Moonlight
VOTE: Moonlight
VOTE: Moonlight

Great try though. Your today's lynch. And if someone is stupid enough to hammer me when I'm fairly obvious town, then you'll be tomorrow's lynch. Either way, you're scum, and you're exposed one way or another. I'm good with either one.

[neil1113]

This is boring

Vote: Neil

(invalid vote format found)

Not according to this.

Though I enjoyed watching Moon's rejoicing of getting rid of a townie. Purely a scum response. Which confirms my idea that Moon is scum.

[neil1113]

My vote wasn't counted because they have to be at the start of the line. Bold tag votes are counted.

Really? Oh well, I was done with this game anyway. I can't play with incompetence anyways so, I'm okay with that. Like I already claimed, I'm town. So it doesn't matter either way. Heph, I can't wait to see you die tonight. Talk to you soon cutie!

P.Edit: Heph is laughing? If Heph isn't scum, then they are the most stupidly pathetic town player I've ever seen play this game. I'm not shocked they'd be laughing at setting up a town lynch. We were screwed once Heph drew a power role anyways, so there's not much we can do when our town power is in the hands of a VI. Oh well. Good luck to the rest of you! Hopefully you won't let Moon fool you again tomorrow. If you do though, no worries. We were stupid enough to lead a lynch on me, I'm sure we'll be stupid enough to do it again without Moon's help.