Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Blah blah.
/Confirming
Wake me when the game starts

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yay people already feel like they're sleeping.
Hi Tammy.
No idea was terrible joking or non

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Yay people already feel like they're sleeping.
Hi Tammy.
No idea was terrible joking or non

Rephrase?

I'm on mobile and I meant sheeping.
If someone looks luke mafia they can claim dumb town as well simple really. Krystal looks to be trying to hard to be town but already had the approval of town on her side what,7 worthwhile posts into the game mind you I'm not counting the fluff

[Elmo TeH AzN]

And sorry my line breaking isn't working

[Elmo TeH AzN]

You realize a list is counter productive for mafia. When it gets down to it why would that help them?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

whoa where has all the posts come from?

I'll give you the tl;Dr : Tammy is town. Mala tries to hard and looks scummy in Tommy's words I see it

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This game is turning into fluff city haven't had a pc been posting on phone expect something from me later and not a wall because Jesus I don't read them and I don't expect anyone else to since it's mostly a waste

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

You're a dentist who is going to get himself lynched. If you're town you should try to keep that from happening.

Here's the irony about that you say hes going to get lynched but your vote isn't on him and even then he's not the one we're lynching today.

Im refusing to read this fluff crap of a game but its obvious that HGH is not bright.
Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

Would tend to agree with you here as well. The question is whether it might be just a horrible case of confirmation bias, in favor of Mala and against TSO, based on personal likes and dislikes.

I see where you are coming from with the confirmation bias but it was from the start with the arguing and eventual replacement of Tammy. Or maybe I am reading to much into thinks but Its obvious they're not on the same team and if they are they had problems outside of this game but what do I know.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Btw, I wasnt really paying attention to that thing (pregame nonsense), so I had to go RV. But oh well.
And, I wonder if Scum can

take control of Day as well. They'd talk about who to lynch secretly,

then they go on together. But I dont think its true, cuz people will obvs call that scum. Anyway, wake's post didnt sound really nice. Dont understand it.

The bold is a townslip. What do you mean exactly by it not sounding nice?

Yes but it could be a well placed townslip at that. Doesn't prove much and with people calling not_mafia scum yet no votes land on him..Any reasoning why?

Other then the fact scum would find it easy pickings to get rid of one of their own for town cred and even then when the vote count shows back up and look at how quick the wagon grew.

Krystal - Whats your opinion on walls?
And the multi posting just shows someone was reading the game. I don't mind it but with who its coming from it just fluffs their post count up some more. Woo.

Wake88 - Not much going on lots of townreads not mafia is scum.

xkljsdjklxjklxkl- Yes i know that's not your name but why the vote?

Also if not mafia is scum why would he point out a townslip? What good would that do for him?

I like TSO's wall shows town to me and makes Julie look like just about everyone else in this game.

Full Of Fluff

Keynote:
/out of game for a moment - Thats a waste of a post.

Hey look Mala's already buddying hard. Are there neighbors in the game? Because I think we can say Mala and Krystal are. (Thats a joke)

If anyone calls Jules town at this moment I want single word answer why right now because reading their posts just makes me question everything. Its a hydra that seems to have no idea whats going on and makes bad cases. And on top of that to boot I like this vote VOTE: Julatorium

So whats with the wagon on HGH? Im not seeing it thru a small ISO since hes posted oh so much

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[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm not sure what to think of Julatorium atm but I definitely agree with this:

We're still waiting on HGH to explain what he is doing. His withdrawal says more than his posts do.

I think everyone in this game is....

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Oh look Mala made a few good posts. Ill give credit where it is due. And if your saying that Tammy slot is town because of something that was said 'pregame' as a confirm. It makes me question everything. So your telling me at that same note if I made a Hydra and used the exact same logic I would be confirmed town then?

What I can't stand is this "Pregame talk" Its pregame does it mean anything and can it be taken at face value? Personally I don't see why you would as anything can be said at that moment to sway opinions.

What really bothers me about Jules is her list. Its crap. Am I surprised I am picked as scum with them. Not at all if you ever read any of my games Im always on a scum list.

And as for the bad cases

Jules

Why wouldn't someone like Mala refer to themselves as town? This is just bad case work once again. Yes because the scum are going to come out and say

HEY IM SCUM VOTE ME OUT OF THIS GAME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IM DOING A TERRIBLE JOB!!!

I think not.

So my question to you Jules is why not vote Insanity then? Wouldn't you think a pressure vote would be better then placing what you could look at as an easy vote?

Side note: Hyrda's make me laugh.

And Jules Ill do your hard work for you since you can't seem to get it done.

VOTE: insanity

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So your telling me that I could have said in my first post WOO I'm town and it would have been relevant pregame. Obviously not therefore I say Pregame means absolutely shit. It shows nothing aside you getting your panties in a wad and then saying sorry later. Or did I obviously misread that somewhere along the lines? And beside that why is it relevant? Please enlighten me. Because I see nothing relevant before the first "Official post" Where you can do what you want and vote then.

First and foremost what information have I said was good? Congrats you posted a list and made some waves in this game among all the fluff posting you did. Lets face the facts when you post a list people talk. That's what happens Its not hard. And your cases are still complete shit. Lets put it that way. And Jesus its not hard to look at someones ISO and realize there was nothing there. Moreso what you did was prove Insanity is lurking and boom! Hell I figured I could do something you seem to be unable to do. Not fluff post the shit out of this game and what have you. Sitting here with your vote where it is isn't doing much just proving nothing more useful then not voting.

Oh look someone can read into a Meta. WIth unnatural proclamations. Why not do a meta search on everyone else in this game then? But obviously her self proclamations had something to do with it I'm also assuming or am I just a crazy person.

What's there to back up with your case? You posted a list. It doesn't make you look any more town to me and all it does it get people to talk about reads and look who shows up. Half the town that actually is here doesn't help when you have lurker city up in here.

If you want town credit for the list. Look elsewhere you're not getting it here. And what would being aggressive be moving my vote to you to prove your point? All that would show is something later down the line for people to do a VCA if anything to see if there was a pattern.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

It's like Mala is just forcing her play and I don't like it.

So what's your read on her then?

Oh and the
TL;DR on my last post: Jules is scum grasping for towncred with the list

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Sorry everyone, I've been quite busy over the past couple of days.

So my question to you Jules is why not vote Insanity then? Wouldn't you think a pressure vote would be better then placing what you could look at as an easy vote?

Side note: Hyrda's make me laugh.

And Jules Ill do your hard work for you since you can't seem to get it done.

VOTE: insanity

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Why would you vote for the person that your top scumread claims to be suspicious of?

VOTE: Elmo

The horrible hydra made a valid point. You were lurking oh and nice OMGUS please try harder

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@Mod: Both the wine and chocolate please

The horrible hydra made a valid point. You were lurking oh and nice OMGUS please try harder

Seriously? Why is voting for a 'lurker' more important than voting for scum?

Because you got your panties in a bunch. And look activity. Also
Gimme chocolate

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Mala, Wake, TSO, Juls and probably insanity and Elmo as well are town.
xfda and N_M are still scum together, probably with Justin, but it could be with Riddleton as well.
No read on HGH for obvious reasons but it looks like he's getting replaced anyway so yay for that.

Forgot to ask about this. KB, you are going to have to explain your town read on insanity and Elmo cause....we....don't....get....it.

I wonder why you don't get it. Its simple really at least from my pov.

On a lighter note:
T S O Which lurker bothers you the most?

Aside the person with ADHD.

And Mala is town anyone who votes her is yeah. I'll let you all figure it out.

VOTE: Jules
Do I really need a reason?
I think I've made myself clear numerous times and Insanity did exactly what I wanted him to do. Flail like a fish

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm a she tyvm.

xfda, you are clearly active enough to constantly make posts about your inactivity. Who do you think is town/scum?

He can't because real life.

I can buy that but at the same time just make a list or something stalling helps no one and pushes for you to get replaced or lynched

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm a she tyvm.

xfda, you are clearly active enough to constantly make posts about your inactivity. Who do you think is town/scum?

He can't because real life.

I can buy that but at the same time just make a list or something stalling helps no one and pushes for you to get replaced or lynched

So now you want lists? I thought you said anyone can make a list? If anyone can make a list why are you encouraging the making of lists? Please list your stances on the use of lists because:
1. You don't like lists
2. You want lists
3. You like contradicting yourself about lists

1st. Yes I don't like lists.
2nd. No I want some content from the inactives.
3rd. If thats what it takes to get content sure Ill contradict myself TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CREEPING ALONG FOR THE JOYRIDE OF THE GAME!

didn't you object to HGH making a random list earlier, Elmo?

Yes but at the rate we're going its going to turn into a late D1 lynch and may as well go to random.org and pick a random fucking number because no one wants to seem to do anything.

Julatorium's list post bothers me a lot because it is an absolutely defensive maneuver. If you read the list you will see that the actual opinions expressed are more or less in line with Julatorium's previous assessments. The only real difference is that a kinder, friendlier voice is expressing them. And the new definition offered for Julatorium's opinion on me, which is what apparently inspired this change, reads as a pretty obvious offer to disengage without resolution. That sort of thing almost always gives me the willies. The list itself doesn't bother me, though, and I rather like Julatorium's responses to Mala and Elmo. The problem with that, though, is that instead of following up on either of these Julatorium then soft clears both of them (admittedly Elmo for just a day but Julatorium then follows Elmo's taunt and votes Insanity) and focuses on Insanity instead. And the Insanity read seems both weak and a little opportunistic. I'm okay with my vote where it is.

I like this post a lot. It is opportuinistic. Why not go after someone else? And they didn't put there vote there which means they are playing scared. I don't see why a town would play scared about something like that. It doesn't add up at least for me. But I came along and pissed insanity off and look what happens. SHE POSTS THINGS! Granted it was crap posting like the rest of this game but what can you do about it.

The purpose of the switch was due to the fact that we were not clearly communicating our thoughts and needed to change.

IE: We're a hydra who knows nothing about this game and we're going to try and save face with the posts from the rest of the game.

We were even having internal conversations about how we weren't expressing ourselves the way we intended or saying the right words to express our stance. I could go into a little more detail about the 'why' of it if you like but I don't know if it really matters. We are not trying to disengage without resolution with you. We stated our opinion as clearly as possible. If you would like to engage further about it, then please ask your questions and we will answer.

We have also not soft cleared anyone.

Im calling Bull. Nice way to try to save face

We want to do more research on mala as most of our read of her is at a gut level. It's hard to push a case you can't quantify. Moratorium has more experience with Mala and feels she plays the game at a surface level (i.e, her cases aren't deep/complicated). We have intentions to meta some scum games of hers but

Moratorium

we haven't got around to it yet. We want to specifically look at her ability to manipulate. As for Elmo, Moratorium feels he is more scummy than insanity but insanity's ISO just drips new-scum to me. If insanity does get lynched and flips scum I doubt we would ever remove our vote from Elmo because their "bickering" really reads as bussing.

For future reference. Note the call for an OMGUS. But lets me put it in another way. I bitch at someone for inactivity and why I voted them and instantly it sounds like I bus. Yet I go on yell at you for dumber things and nothing happens? So what you seem to be saying is "oh there's no way we're scum together" Or am i misreading this here? Not only that do you already see how someone is lining up a lynch already based on a flip that is TBD. Let's think about this. Jules pushes for an insanity lynch. Flips scum and instantly heads to me. Almost asking for a short day 2 and heading into D3 with 4 people dead heading into a MYLO or to buy time to a D4 where then it becomes MYLO or LYLO if it gets that far. If Im wrong on the days so be it. My head hurts from work today.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Lolololol and once again going to get lynched D1. It's interesting I to a lot of lists but no one wants to vote

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Since when did we get a dr

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I hate hydras. On another note I hate my job and the vig being uncced means nothing because yeah I'll explain later

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I hate hydras. On another note I hate my job and the vig being uncced means nothing because yeah I'll explain later

We get it. You don't like us. Are you voting us because we are a hydra? Because that's pretty dumb. Make the case on us other than "they are crap", "they want towncred", "grrr...lists", and "they are saving face". Cause none of that makes any sense. We aren't getting lynched today so you need to put your vote somewhere else. And if you are soft claiming vig and you shoot us then you are retarded.

First, Im tired as hell been working 10+ hour days. Work for a cola company its the 2nd (they say) busiest week of the year. I think first.

And 2nd. I wasn't claiming anything but you can essentially try and say I was soft claiming but what would that prove nothing. I love how you put words in my mouth there and essentially you can just JK the Vig to null anything "they" would do and make them an IC but at that same hand it would just make them a worthless role in the process because the vig could just not kill anyone and prove nothing.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

JustinPlayfair, ElmoTeHAzN, what will you two do?

B) Leave Krystal and go join the rest of the party

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VOTE: KB

VOTE: KB

This is because I haven't given you any cat gifs yet isn't it.

Now I'm curious about this.
But we have 3 days till DL and I think we need to settle on something soon granted Im assuming its Maru

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VOTE: KB

This has been your biggest town read all game. Please explain this vote.

Looking at the latest influx of posts I think I have an idea why the vote but then again Im just shooting blanks in the air. And im going to wait and see what Mala says first.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

But on the other hand we have 3 days to get something figured out. Time is against us here.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Mala's getting dangerously close to IC-status.

You know thats a very dangerous thing to say.

Trying to see how they'd react etc. was hoping Mantis could back, but she has a habit of lurking hardcore as scum which she's doing right now. That's the easiest way to read a town-mantis from a scum-mAntis.

Thought so when I saw the vote and nothing was said there it was like I see a big ol' reaction test going on. Kind of ironic I caught onto this as everyone else does a WTF

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V/LA TILL SAT

This games turning into a mess

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This town.is going full retard. I'll explain later I'm tired

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So here's the question of the hour. What are viable wagons to vote?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So here's the question of the hour. What are viable wagons to vote?

Here's the

real

question of the hour: is Elmo so lazy that he won't read the vote count on this page, or is he perhaps hesitant to join a wagon because his buddies are already on it?

First, Im tired as hell been working 10+ hour days. Work for a cola company its the 2nd (they say) busiest week of the year. I think first.

2nd. There are two wagons. One sits a vote behind the other. Asking isn't a dumb question. And its not being lazy its called being tired after throwing cases of pop all day because its the 4th of July.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Always a last second wagon

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Elmo's posts are just... empty. When was the last time he scumhunted in this?

Before the holiday

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Look. At that. Lining.up lynches. GG

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Elmo is probably town but he is an asshole and I fucking hate his guts so I had no problem voting him. But if I do get lynched and xfda is the vig then shoot either Riddleton or Justin instead.

I love you too

[Elmo TeH AzN]

And why on earth is Riddleton still in the game?

This confuses me

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Sorry all dealing with health issues migraine headache for 4+ days now hoping to come back to this soon. Hopefully going to dr or urgent care today

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I don't think it makes sense for scum to have no killed.

Flavour C

: I think we should try a different store...

It does in.a.big picture

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Woo more wagoning on me. Yes let's let insanity off the hook. Jesus her posts have gotten worse

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So Elmo why aren't you voting her then if you think that?

Don't trust people putting someone at L-1

[Elmo TeH AzN]

VOTE: Elmo Teh Azn

Are we back at this?
Its a new day and we're back at square one with this dumb shit again?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Flavor B

So yeah nothing's happening there's still a wagon on me. Jules is tunneling. Again. Insanity and me are supposed sum. Suprise.
And our vig is a dum. Fun game

[Elmo TeH AzN]

would you mind selfvoting

What's the point of that?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

to get you lynched, I'd say

Why not lynch you instead though. It would end the day

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Lol. My apathy for.all games happened. And.yay

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Jules I wanted you dead so yeah.