Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

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Hello Mala! (And everyone else)

Happy anniversary Julatorium!

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Flavour B

VOTE: HGH
Don't be high!

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Riddleton seems like a newbie town to me.

I put the two people on top because they were posting a lot and they were also replying to each other a lot the last two I don't know why I put them there.

Do you think that people who reply to each other a lot are likely to be scum together?

@Tammy, what changed your mind between 141 and 142?

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In 141, you are questioning (with the suspicious smiley) why Krystal Bald thinks Mala is town?

And then in 142, you're pretty sure that KB is town.

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I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

That's a nice riddle. Could you please answer the questions?

@Julatorium, the pre-game stuff was null for me and I was actually hoping that we could move away from the hostility.

@Mala, what reaction were you looking to get from Tammy?

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I'm not sure what to think of Julatorium atm but I definitely agree with this:

We're still waiting on HGH to explain what he is doing. His withdrawal says more than his posts do.

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Sorry everyone, I've been quite busy over the past couple of days.

So my question to you Jules is why not vote Insanity then? Wouldn't you think a pressure vote would be better then placing what you could look at as an easy vote?

Side note: Hyrda's make me laugh.

And Jules Ill do your hard work for you since you can't seem to get it done.

VOTE: insanity

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Why would you vote for the person that your top scumread claims to be suspicious of?

VOTE: Elmo

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I don't have any completed town games. Mala, I definitely like asking that type of question as town as well.

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I think I like Julatorium for town. 291 feels genuine.

I'll have to think about Mala. Her play here has been quite different from our scumgame together which could possibly mean town. I doubt Mala would be scum with Krystal Bald though.

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@Mod: Both the wine and chocolate please

The horrible hydra made a valid point. You were lurking oh and nice OMGUS please try harder

Seriously? Why is voting for a 'lurker' more important than voting for scum?

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I'm a she tyvm.

xfda, you are clearly active enough to constantly make posts about your inactivity. Who do you think is town/scum?

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I think I like TSO, Julatorium and Riddleton for town. I am also leaning town on Not Mafia and Malakittens.

I am leaning scum on:

Xdfa: All he does is post about how he has no time to properly post.

Tammy/Wake: Tammy’s early town read on Krystal Bald seemed to come out of nowhere. I also dislike Wake’s Riddleton vote in 298 which he makes after saying that Riddleton’s behaviour might not actually be scummy.

I believe HGH and Elmo are scum.

HGH: I really don’t like how he started posting fluff and now has essentially disappeared instead of answering questions about his reads.

Elmo: His pushes are inconsistent and contradictory. And I do not see a train of thought coming from town.

If insanity does get lynched and flips scum I doubt we would ever remove our vote from Elmo because their "bickering" really reads as bussing.

If insanity does get lynched and flips town, would you still vote for Elmo?

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If insanity does get lynched and flips town, would you still vote for Elmo?

Why say

if

instead of

when

?

Because saying "

when

insanity does get lynched" would imply that I'm actually going to get lynched.

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Insanity, trying to use disadvantages to take control of day. Why does she sound scum? First, she tried to go against me, just because of inactivity. Ofcourse, she wouldnt take me down for no reason, but since i had a disadvantage, shed try to use it and take control of day. (40% scum 60% null)

What does this even mean? What disadvantage?

Moonlight's vote (434)was extremely opportunistic, while completely ignoring the vig claim which had just happened.

Leaning scum:

Tammy/Wake

/Moonlight

VOTE: Moonlight

Still willing to lynch Elmo.

@

Mod

, I'll drink the flight.

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I now have a completed town game for all you meta people.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48518

Mini 1570. I was lynched on Day 1 as a vanilla townie.

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Been busy all day. Will take a closer look at this tomorrow.

Are there any examples of this 'Amished tell' working? Maruchan's entry post seemed fairly standard to me.

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Hmm, I quite like Maruchan's catchup post and don't think that we should lynch him today.

I doubt Krystal Bald and Mala are both scum. I think KB is more likely due to the timing of their vote and then unvote on xdfa.

VOTE: Krystal Bald

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I really hate Moonlight's recent posts about Julatorium. He makes a lot of noise about Julatorium being contradictory but ends up concluding that none of that really matters. It seems more like an attempt to discredit as opposed to find scum.

And then we only have one death, not two, and we know. If there are two deaths, and xfd isn't dead, we don't lynch him. If he is, we leave him alive till a night there are two deaths. You don't lynch an un-cc'd vig, irregardless. You let the real vig take care of him, or you assume he is real.

^I agree with this.

I am actually growing to like Maruchan for town now.

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Insanity, each of your last three posts...
...are directed substantially in Maruchan's direction. Why is this, especially given the situation we are currently in? I'm especially curious about that second post, where you wrote that Maruchan shouldn't be the lynch for today. Maruchan only had two votes on him at the time, while both Krystal and Mala had three, your vote wasn't on Maruchan, and although you had earlier expressed some suspicion toward HGH and Elmo, your vote was on Elmo.

HGH was a scumread so the fact that I no longer considered the slot to be scum was important to me. The second post was also sortof a catch up on the Maruchan wagon.

Krystal Bald, I would still prefer to lynch Elmo, or even Moonlight, over you but no one was voting with me!

Still happy to switch back there if we have enough time.

I'll be back after work.

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insanity, i like your last post

but..
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5987240

how come if you would rather vote one of them... why did you make an effort to put a reason here when voting for us?

It was the main reason why you guys are not a townread. (I have you as nullish-leaning scum ftr)

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- The catchup post. (570) I like how he gives plenty of reads (and explains them) unprompted and the depth of the detail (which I don't think scum would have been bothered doing)

- Recent posts. I completely agree with the stance Maruchan has been taking about xdfa. Either xdfa is the vig or the real one will take care of him. I like the way Maruchan has been calling out on that.

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Okay...it seems like kittens and toilets are very dangerous.

VOTE: Elmo

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TSO, why do you think Maruchan is xdfa's kill? Maruchan makes more sense as a scum kill imo.

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The way those split wagons stagnated make it obvious one of them was on scum.

How so?

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I don't think it makes sense for scum to have no killed.

Flavour C

: I think we should try a different store...

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So I'm probably the easiest mislynch in the game right now so get your votes off me.

Town reads (strongest --> weakest): TSO, Julatorium, Not Mafia, Riddleton/Neil

Null: Justin Playfair, xdfa (because of vig claim)

Scum is Elmo, {Moonlight/Mala}, ???

Elmo: Contradictory pushes at the beginning of Day 1, has not really posted any game-related thoughts since then.

I am confident that at least one scum is currently jumping on my wagon. One of Moonlight or Mala seems the most likely to me.

Moonlight: Opportunistic voting (including 884), odd predecessor behaviours

Mala: Erratic reads, particularly of Krystal Bald

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Woo more wagoning on me. Yes let's let insanity off the hook. Jesus her posts have gotten worse

Because your posting has been so much better.

Why the hell not? If someone derphammers there will be consequences. So why are you

really

avoiding to vote her?

^I actually like that question.

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^No. Vote Elmo.

Err couldn't the stagnation have just meant that scum had no reason to push KB over me and vice versa.

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^You don't think Neil's hammer was a derp?

Neil, have you caught up yet?

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Also:

Flavour B

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Actually what bothers me the most about neil's hammer is that he hasn't expressed any real town or scum reads on anyone since replacing in.

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I need to re-read a bit but I'm thinking that it isn't Moonlight anymore.

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Will be here after work.

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Here it is for everyone who wants to look. When you're done looking at it, feel free to vote Moonlight. Whoever Moon's partner(s) are, after reading this game and seeing the awful resemblance, nobody will judge you for bussing Moon here. So just go ahead and do it.

Click Here for Moonlight's incriminating evidence.

And if you guys don't want to read much, check out the hilarious comparison to him trying to vein a lynch on my after I hammered someone the day before, and how the exact situation is playing out here. I'll go ahead and give you a short link directly to his play and you decide for yourself.

Click Here for Moonlight's ridiculous fake lynch attempt on me.

I read through this and I don't really see much similarity? From what I read, in that game, Moonlight went after you for a hammer + 'scum slip' and that hasn't been the case here.

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Here's where I'm at.

TSO/notscience is my strongest town read.

I think NotMafia and Julatorium/Hephaestus are town (although the latter's avoidance of voting Elmo is making me rethink that read a little).

Leaning town on Moonlight due to end of the day and interactions with Elmo.

So poe means that final scums are Mala/Neil with an outside shot of Julatorium.

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That was a reaction test?

It also kind of shocks me, nobody told me my case was shit and to look elsewhere. Did anyone besides Insanity actually even read through it? (Another reason why I suspect Heph was the questions concerning my case... it didn't appear that Heph actually read the case.)

What do you mean? Heph didn't ask you questions about your case.

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Improptu vote count.

Heph (2): Moonlight, Not Mafia (L-2)
Neil (1) : Heph

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Heph, do you have any scum/town reads?

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Wow. Not_Mafia is almost assuredly town.

But I'm just wondering whether you thought Moonlight's reaction was scummier than Neil's or because you didn't want to (actually) vote for Neil due to L-1?

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I don't really think that it is Moonlight though. What do you think of her interactions with the Elmo wagon in Day 2?

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Heph is the only person who I am certain is town now. Notscience's limited contributions since replacing in make me worry that he could be scum coasting on how very town TSO looked. At the same time, I also kinda think that scum would at least pretend to be making an effort to read the thread. :-/

I'm going to reread and try to figure out if Moonlight and Not Mafia make sense as a team together.

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Moonlight, why do you think scum would do Not Mafia's fake hammer reaction test?

Scum-me wouldn't dare to leave a wagon only to hop on it later.

Why not?

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^Let me address that slightly differently.

I noticed that you had also hopped between Elmo, me, then Elmo again on Day 2. Why did you jump off so easily in 884? Why would the hopping back on later only come from town?

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I keep going back and forth about you, Moonlight. I thought your slot was scummy early but then you looked likely town. Now, I'm still not sure.

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Sorry, I had problems getting onto the site last night. Will post in the next few hours.

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Forgot: the reason N_M had nothing to worry about is because scum would need daychat to pull off two votes without risking me unvoting.

Also, I lied about not unvoting. Now watch me get policy lynched. *smirks*

You weren't worried that scum could check the thread, saw you had voted, figured out their buddy was online due to posting in other games/co-ordination of time zones and then vote before you came back?

Or convince a townie who's around to vote?

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Not Mafia, why do you assume that ns was about to vote you?

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Not it, Moonlight.

Not Mafia, is Moonlight's quickvote the only reason why you think that she 'claimed scum'?

Tbqh, I'm thinking of voting notscience here as I really do not think it makes sense for Not Mafia and Moonlight to be scum together. If they planned in their PT to stage this whole affair then just wow.

...So many noddies in the same paragraph haha.

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...So many

noddies

notties

in the same paragraph haha.

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Flavour B btw

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I don't think TSO was obvtown btw I mean he did seem pretty town but notscience seems like he's just trying to see if he can win a game as scum by doing nothing except say "i'm town" every so often. If ns were town they should've replaced out when they realised they weren't up to this game and give us a chance at winning rather than hang around and cause even more chaos for scum to thrive in

I do agree with this. I can't imagine someone being town here and seeming to have no care whatsoever with what is going on. And the way this day started, I don't believe we are looking at Moonlight/Not Mafia.

VOTE: notscience

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Notscoence, I fond ith

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Notscoence, I fond ith

Urghh. Phone posting in pack train doesnot work.

Sorry, ill be back later

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Cheerfully back at a computer!

What I was trying to say before: I find it worrying how notscience started posting a lot once he had a vote on him.

And now he is throwing wifom at us?

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Yep I'm totally scum

Want me to selfvote so you can hammer and

lose

win game for town?

Why would you, as town, say something like this?

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Yep I'm totally scum

Want me to selfvote so you can hammer and

lose

win game for town?

Why would you, as town, say something like this?

My point is that there is no reason whatsoever for town to even consider threatening to self-vote in LYLO. Since town know it could mean auto-lose.

@

notty: I'm willing to take quite the leap of faith and accept that you're probably Town

. If you're not ready to do so yourself, ask me anything, pick my brain apart and you'll see I'm Town too.

Took me a while, but I'm finally optimistic about this. N_M's reaction to my vote and, more importantly,

notty's intent to vote screams "cornered scum" to me.

Which one do you mean?

To answer your question - part gut, part agreement with Julatorium's (a town read) reasons for considering him town.

VOTE: insanity

You just went from "insanity is town" to "Not Mafia is scum with Moonlight/insanity" and now - Whatever, vote insanity anyway. Opportunistic much?

p-edit: Lol!!!! Yay!

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Firstly, thanks to uctriton for modding and I absolutely loved the flavour!

I am a little surprised that we ended up winning (and that I didn't die ), considering that most people had pegged 2/3 of the scum on Day 1.

It was great fun playing with all of you!