Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[Justin Playfair]

I confirm that I am present

[Justin Playfair]

T S O is probably town for his willingness to draw the ire of everyone. Riddleton's indignation looks forced.

No fair playing already! I haven't even done my face yet.

[Justin Playfair]

Maybe you're just having a god ol laugh

Although as long as we're on the topic this was clearly role fishing at the highest possible level.

[Justin Playfair]

A few early things...

I choose

B

.

Hmm...

Oh justin is your avatar from the hush episode?

Nope, it's from season seven when Giles was trying to train the new slayers about the bringers. Here, of course, he's instructing us on how to recognize scum. And Tammy, hope you stay in, I watch Buffy with my kids about once a year. But, and please forgive me for my ignorance, could you explain why I should see you almost as an innocent child?

If he did this on purpose, why would he do so? In other words, why would he intentionally make himself look like mafia before the game has even started?
That would be stupid playing to say the least.

Maybe so that people would say "TSO would never do that if he was scum". In his own post he's pointed out that...

I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum.

...which would also tend to antagonize his target and draw attention to him.

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

Do you think scum frame questions so as to avoid the area where they perceive themselves to be vulnerable? I do. And the heart of what Krystal seemed to be trying to get at (Krystal, please correct me if I'm wrong) was the much milder tone you adopted as soon as the game began, as opposed to your previous more caustic behavior. Now I'm pretty old school but I do like inconsistent behavior within the same game as a possible indication that someone is scum.

That said, wildly exaggerating behavior you've found suspicious when placed under pressure...

I was actually thinking that his play after the game started has been anti-antagonistic. So far he's placed a random vote on a player not in the game and done nothing else but defend himself, despite posting like over a bajillion times.

...doesn't sit well with me either. This is not an accurate representation of TSO's behavior. At the point when this post was made TSO had posted 10 times after the game started. Three of these posts were nonsense/opening business. Three of these posts, all made after your initial case, could be classified as defense. Four of these posts, in a mild, early game manner, could be described as investigative. That's ten posts out of 109, which would also indicate that his posting activity was not too far out of line with the average, especially considering that I hadn't posted at all until now.


Riddle...

From my viewpoint, it sounded like a quick bandwagon. From the mafia games I played, mafioso don't like drawing attention to themselves. They would rather just go along with the crowd in order to not raise any questions. I found your question odd which is why I voted for you.

You'll only catch bad scum that way, and you'll catch a lot of timid/disconnected town along the way. On this topic, though...

If he did this on purpose, why would he do so? In other words, why would he intentionally make himself look like mafia before the game has even started?
That would be stupid playing to say the least.

Riddle

, can you explain to me in what way TSO's pregame tomfoolery made him look like mafia? What about the manner in which he behaved would indicate that he was scum?

This is a terrible post:

Here is the order of how I'm going to vote.

1. Riddleton
2. Krysrtal Bald
3. Not_Mafia
4. T S O

Official Vote: Riddleton

But I've read all of HGH's posts on the site (they're aren't that many). HGH are you an alt or do those posts represent your entire experience playing Mafia?

I was bored and decided to have some fun. It wasn't a reaction test, but it works better to say it's a reaction test than flat-out trolling. How would I reaction test people on something that's impossible?

Sure, it could be that. It could also be taking an opportunity to throw chaff into the air in an attempt to skew accurate reads on your behavior. That's the sort of thing good scum might do.


But once again, Krystal, this is really, really bad...

My read on you has nothing to do with whether or not you were trolling. I don't really give a fuck about that. You are now ignoring literally everything that is happening around you and focusing entirely on this conversation because it lets you get away with not scumhunting. Tell me, what's the town motivation for ignoring everything and not scumhunting?

Boiled down to its component parts this reads as "hey, I find it suspicious that you're reacting to my continuing suspicions of you". Now I'll grant you that TSO has made the pretty standard move of flipping your initial suspicions of him back on you, forcing you to stake out positions that can be looked back on later for consistency at the least or forcing you into an error that would allow him to mount a case on you at most. But that can certainly be a form of scumhunting every bit as much as it can be a sound scum defensive maneuver. Like it or not, the confrontation between you and TSO is the main thing that is happening around us, at least until Julatorium weighed in and then this odd thing blew up between Mala and Tammy.

And TSO? Thank you for this post. I feel like I know you so much better now.

On the whole there is more to dislike in Krystal's shading of the facts and opportunistic attack than TSO's aggressive defense.

Julatorium

, I have a couple questions for you.

1) To address the TSO post, we can talk about the "spirit of the game" nature of that play post-game. Null reaction to the question based on what we know of TSO, but happy we're out of RVS because of it.

Xfd, insanity, and Hgh came in post game-start and made no comments to the issue, infact appeared to wish to resurrect RVS. Why are you RVS'ing when stuff has happenned?

This bothers me a little bit because first you say that TSO's actions only warrant a null reaction but then you criticize Xfd, Insanity, and Hgh for not addressing it? Can you elaborate on this position for me?

You excuse Riddle's behavior as a byproduct of his inexperience, even going so far as to prod Mala and Tammy to reconsider their positions on him, but in the same post you lay a vote down on hgh, whose history (if he is not an alt) would indicate a rather pronounced lack of experience. Could you explain what you find different between the two of them?

Thank you for your answers.

[Justin Playfair]

We're not criticizing those three for having a null reaction, we're criticizing them for having no reaction and instead RVS'ing. Everyone should have weighed in with their thoughts on the pregame shenanigans, even if their thoughts were "I don't know". RVS'ing is safe.

Can you explain how an rvs is safer than posting "I don't know" or having the null reaction you claimed?

Whereas HGH, on the other hand, posted a list of people he would like to chain-lynch without any reasoning. We want more information.

So then are you characterizing your vote on hgh as a pressure vote placed in order to illicit this information or are you currently reading hgh as scum?

[Justin Playfair]

...I know.

Anyway, unvoting. I don't think RVS is good when discussion started already.

UNVOTE: I'll try to look for things when its there

xfd, if you believe this was true in this case then why did you random vote? Also, what is the meaning of your last sentence? Are you suggesting that nothing of possible consequence has yet happened?

[Justin Playfair]

Can you explain how an rvs is safer than posting "I don't know" or having the null reaction you claimed?

The latter two show thought.

So then are you characterizing your vote on hgh as a pressure vote placed in order to illicit this information or are you currently reading hgh as scum?

Identifying the vote as a pressure vote rather defeats the purpose, we would have expected you to parse the meaning without stating it explicitly.

We still want him to speak and explain what he is doing.

I guess I have to disagree that either "I don't know" or the claim of a "null reaction" shows thought. My belief is that either of those demonstrate rather directly the absence of thought, or conversely a defensive desire to comment on a given situation without drawing undue attention.

To your second point: Not at all. The purpose of a pressure vote is to illicit an answer. If the answer is not given or if the answer given is incriminating the pressure vote may progress naturally to being a vote in earnest. If you truly believe otherwise I would have expected you in this instance to have answered that your vote was serious based on hgh's action but that you would like to hear his explanation. I also find it rather odd that you would expect me to act in concert with your agenda instead of pursuing my own when I have, as yet, no indication that you are town.

[Justin Playfair]

And ours is the opposite, both "I don't know" and null reaction display a willingness to define your stance, therefore the need to acknowledge your stance to yourself. RVS precludes stance definition.

Oh poppycock. The very act of putting down an rvs vote after what happened pregame indicates a stance every bit as definitive as "I don't know" or a null reaction. If anything, slightly more definitive, as it lacks the defensive cover and wiggle room that an "I don't know" or a null reaction offers. By placing their RVS votes those players have, by their actions, made it clear that they did not believe the pregame hijinks were relevant to the game. But the notion that "I don't know" or a null reaction serves as anything more meaningful than a placeholder for a future epiphany is naive in a way that does not seem entirely natural.

And this?

therefore the need to acknowledge your stance to yourself.

Would you be so kind as to explain precisely what you mean by the above? Because in context it seems to indicate that the reason for posting "I don't know" or a null reaction would be to show others that you'd thought about it. That seems more likely to come from a scummy place than a townie one.

So far, there has been no answer, he appears to have vanished.

Does this make you more certainly believe he is scum?

As for acting in concert, what I'm expecting is a conversation with him, but instead I'm apparently dealing with this seemingly proxy obstruction. So be it.

Well...you expected this too.

we would have expected you to parse the meaning without stating it explicitly.

And you're wrong on two counts at the end of your statement. First, that I could obstruct a conversation that isn't happening, as you noted just above. Second, that I'm acting as a proxy, which would suggest that I am offering answers on his behalf, which I am not. So at this point I've not only revealed the secret of pressure votes in the game of Mafia but I've also gotten in the way of you watching the thread in peace for an answer from hgh.

Since you did bring it up, though, would you care to explain how you believe I'm obstructing you from having a conversation with hgh?

[Justin Playfair]

I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

You're a dentist who is going to get himself lynched. If you're town you should try to keep that from happening.

[Justin Playfair]

your vote isn't on him

No it isn't.

its obvious that HGH is not bright.

This is why. Or rather that he is playing badly.

[Justin Playfair]

Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

Would tend to agree with you here as well. The question is whether it might be just a horrible case of confirmation bias, in favor of Mala and against TSO, based on personal likes and dislikes.

[Justin Playfair]

i can't read justin's posts, ie walls. they are mind numbing.

I'm sorry you don't like walls. I can certainly see how spamming the thread with walls of countless nearly content free posts would be better.

I mean you get to display your avatar so many times.

By the way you might want to meta Not_Mafia before you go too far down the path you're headed. He may be town or he may be scum but the stuff you've pointed to so far is his meta for both.

Hope that was short enough for you.

[Justin Playfair]

Hey you. That's her playstyle leave it alone. It's a lot easier than reading walls, tbh.

I apologize for responding to being insulted.

[Justin Playfair]

We think you are town.

Thank you. I won't ask you a question about this as it would probably be irrelevant, but if I had been going to it would be along the lines of what have I done that makes you think this. I would then ask you what in the TSO post that you quoted made you label him as town. Instead I'll just go straight to the part where I consider this the most scummy defensive thing I've yet seen done by anyone in this thread.

Engaging you is zero fun.

And I was having such fun chatting. Oh well...

Town who doesn't vote.

Oh I vote. I just wait until I see someone do something that I just can't figure out any town reason for that someone to do. Like slapping down town reads on me and TSO under the conditions in which you did.

Vote: Julatorium

See?

[Justin Playfair]

We're still waiting on HGH to explain what he is doing. His withdrawal says more than his posts do.

Thanks for answering one of those irrelevant questions I asked you.

[Justin Playfair]

Why is our earlier lack of town explanation different than, say, TSO's #257? Or KB's various #238 reads?

Really?

Because TSO had most recently called you scum and I had most recently questioned you, though apparently irrelevantly. And then, out of everyone in town you labelled both of us as town. It's not the lack of explanation, though perhaps a convincing argument would have ameliorated to some degree how I felt about what you had done. It's the conditions under which the posts were made, as I already posted. Those town reads under those conditions speak to intentions. And the intentions aren't town.

[Justin Playfair]

No apology necessary. It's sort of fun to work it into things. So then are you now portraying your post #247 as some sort of passive aggressive, not brave enough to really commit attempt to portray me as scum?

[Justin Playfair]

Hi Malakittens. You've been posting gibbereeze since this game started and I apologize but I'm going to have to produce a bit of a wall to ask you about it. And it's not just about posts like 275, which boil down to "because of something something other game and and I sure would know and I'd never lie about that. I mention #275 in particular because it doesn't even rise to the level of false authority. It's also just that so much of what you've posted has been contradictory.

Let's take a look at this, where you echo Julatorium's bad reasoning that somehow a pressure vote is not pretty apparent at the moment it is made...

Right now it's more of a pressure, but now that you asked it kinda ruins it.

But earlier, with Tammy, you seemed very aware that a vote identified clearly to get a reaction could still be perfectly effective. So...

I'm voting you for ~reasons~. Mainly to see how you react. I could easily sit back and let you engage others, but instead I'm taking the approach of doing it first.

So, of course I'm going to reaction test if I can especially when it helps me get a better read on your slot and one step closer into figuring out who is scum and who isn't scum.

Hence the fucking vote on you so I can read you easier.

...Mala, could you explain to me the difference between the pressure vote Riddle ruined by making you identify it and the reaction vote you were fine with identifying right away to Tammy?

Mala, you asked Tammy the question in the first post early in your exchange and then make the second post shortly later. This wouldn't bother me if not for the pretty accusatory tone of the first, but because of that could you explain why a thought process you felt so comfortable about expressing for yourself seemed suspicious coming from Tammy?

So if you think Riddles is

maybe

town, why haven't you unvoted?

Slightly leaning more towards the town area than the scum area, but not enough to remove my vote off you.

And this just strikes me as terrible.

Also if you think someone is scum please vote. Don't pussyfoot around it.

So is this just a do as I say, not as I do thing? Because your behavior about the below sketches out the xact opposite approach to the game.

I'm maybe thinking insanity scum. Something triggered in her first post to Tammy that reminded me of our last completed game where we where scum buddies.

urge to want to lynch insanity. urge, urge urge. Will disobey urge for now, i like my vote where it is.

In fact, lol, I like this one better.

VOTE: Not_mafia.

Insanity I really want you to be town. I really think you might be scum though

Can you explain why you haven't yet voted for Insanity even though you have been after her as scum since very early in the game?

Thank you.


Oh and

Ucriton

I want neither wine nor chocolate.

[Justin Playfair]

Julatorium's list post bothers me a lot because it is an absolutely defensive maneuver. If you read the list you will see that the actual opinions expressed are more or less in line with Julatorium's previous assessments. The only real difference is that a kinder, friendlier voice is expressing them. And the new definition offered for Julatorium's opinion on me, which is what apparently inspired this change, reads as a pretty obvious offer to disengage without resolution. That sort of thing almost always gives me the willies. The list itself doesn't bother me, though, and I rather like Julatorium's responses to Mala and Elmo. The problem with that, though, is that instead of following up on either of these Julatorium then soft clears both of them (admittedly Elmo for just a day but Julatorium then follows Elmo's taunt and votes Insanity) and focuses on Insanity instead. And the Insanity read seems both weak and a little opportunistic. I'm okay with my vote where it is.

[Justin Playfair]

That's irrelevant questions to you, thank you very much.

Actually, I rather like your answer. If you'd be so kind as to tell me what your intended purpose was for #247 I might even be willing to promise not to use the word irrelevant in this thread again.

[Justin Playfair]

Also, xfd hasn't really been all that scummy. Certainly shouldn't have been forced to claim. Lurky yes, but we find insanity's active vanilla questioning much more scum-telling. We have Not_Mafia as one of our town reads so the fact that some of you are pushing him as the premier lynch is really concerning to us. Also, KB just moved into the leaning-scum category with that vote-after-soft-claim and the unvote-after-claim. They already softed a power role, you know what the power roles are. You wanted them to full claim and it appeared your intentions were to lynch regardless. But then you unvote?

Unvote: Julatorium

Because now you're my hero.

So many scummy people too few slots for scum....Moonlights post just reads like someone who saw that xfd was run up and wanted to hop on the bandwagon.

Did I already unvote you? Not enough.

The soft claim looked fake. The actual claim is probably fake and I think that xfda is going to be vigged tonight.

Or something. But this is juicier:

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

Quick meta skim makes him likely town, maybe, slighty.

Was Mala the third vote on the xfd wagon? Think so.


And this is just textbook:

I hopped too. Why are you after Krystal and not me?

Chuckling at agent's "I'm gonna get vigged". This guy just scumslipped the way I read it. But please, don't mind me, continue focusing on the probably-fake townslip of his.

Moreover, it's really unfair to blame anyone but agent for the wagon on him. If this guy is Town, I know I'd shoot him if I was scum because of how easily the pressure got on him.

First there's the twisting of what xfd said. The statement about getting vigged tonight was clearly in response to Krystal Bald's post (quoted above). And the second post is...sorry Mala...gibbereeze (gibereeze being when gibberish is made into a language all its own). If xfd was town not claiming vig scum would want to keep him alive for a lynch, because town that can't take pressure is the best lynch bait there is. Scum will kill xfd because he's a claimed power role.

And this...

I'm also considering the mindfuck that can be pulled off by scum if he is telling the truth and they shoot someone else instead. I don't want to believe he outed himself without thinking of the consequences.

xfd will tell us who he intends to kill before the end of the day. There will be no consequences other than the almost certain loss of our vig on night one.

Vote: Moonlight

No way I'm voting Insanity today.

[Justin Playfair]

Oh, and ucriton? Nothing for me. Never trust a drink from a stranger.

[Justin Playfair]

The Amished tell is poopy scum hunting. More often than not when you're replacing you're replacing someone who wasn't excelling. Not telling what you think of your predecessor's play is fundamentally defensive and therefore more likely to be scum than town motivated. Personally, as scum or town I call my predecessors' play the way I see it. Now calling it out as the first thing in your first post is a little on the icky side, but in this situation only a little.

@TSO: I liked Tammy. She seemed nice. And she surely did look better than Mala in their little tango. But there was enough fishy in their little squabble to go around, I could see her quitting in frustration over even the perception of a day one bus by her partner every bit as much as over legitimate day one pressure, and Moonlight's been really bad.

I could see voting for Mala or KB today, in that order. I'm not as sold on Riddle town as everyone else seems to be, but I'm not close to wanting to put a rope around his neck. About the only way I'd vote Maruchan today is if not lynching was the alternative.

I don't have any real read at all on Insanity, and I haven't read a single compelling reason to lynch her. Not being able to read someone might be a reason in some situations, but not in one where there's been as much to vote on positively as we have here.

I'm just not feeling Elmo as scum. I'm not currently considering TSO, Julatorium, or xfd.

Just finished being Not_Mafia's scumbuddy and I've got to say he was a much more effective and active (faux) scumhunter in that game than he's been so far in this one.

@xfd: We have to have neared some conclusion on who we are going to lynch before it would be possible to usefully advise you on your night kill. Depending on the situation it will likely be flip dependent.

[Justin Playfair]

Moonlight is probably town, it was a bad reaction test

but

I can see why he thought it might work. In regards to Maru and Krystal, lynch one and have agent vig the other, if somehow neither if them are scum I'll be looking at Mala tomorrow

Was this repetition of your post meant to provide an explanation for Mala moving her vote? Because she moved her vote before you posted it, seemingly in reaction to Riddle's vote actually moving Maru close to lynch (l-2).


...Mala just took her vote off Maru, the leading wagon, to put it on KB, who she's been riding a bicycle-built-for-two with since this game started, who was at the time being voted only by Not_Mafia, arguably her most consistent scum pick of the game.

Unvote

Vote: Malakittens

Hey Not_Mafia? How about you move up your timetable on Mala by a day?

[Justin Playfair]

Oh, and uctriton? I'll go looking for Krystal.

[Justin Playfair]

First things first:

Not_Mafia, you said you'd comment on Mala's vote on KB once Mala posted again. She's posted, you've posted, but you haven't commented yet. Could you?



Hi TSO. I'd never deny that I'm an idiot but I'd love it if you could tell me why you think I'd be an idiot specifically for wanting to lynch Mala.


Hi Julatorium. What makes you think we'd get more information from an Insanity flip than a KB flip?


Pedit: We've been swimming in breadcrumbs. This was certainly the least artful of the lot but that doesn't make it any more or less likely to be true. Can't blame you for calling this one out, Julatorium, as it was so terribly blatant, but in general you probably shouldn't.

Regardless of who xfd says he will shoot xfd's possible night action should not be interfered with.
xfd, you should clearly announce who you intend to shoot (even if there is a dual possibility, depending on a lynchee's flip) before anyone is hammered.
No one should hammer until xfd does this, unless forced by the deadline.
Obviously, if someone other than xfd is the Vig, xfd should be killed tonight.

Pedit 2: Mala, what you posted doesn't really qualify as working with xfd.

[Justin Playfair]

But by posting what you did you reveal an absolute lack of concern at anyone else in town being shot. That isn't working with the vig to select a good target. It is trying to guarantee your personal survival.

[Justin Playfair]

don't confirm your vig target to anyone, and don't eliminate anyone from your viglist. chose your vig targets,and keep your choices close to the vest.

This is faulty reasoning. The vig's kill tonight will go through whether scum target it or not. And assuming xfd is alive in the morning he will likely be targeted for a lynch unless he can confirm his claim by having called out and followed through on a target tonight. While there is every reason not to claim vig except under extreme duress there is no reason, with no scum protective role currently in play, not to call out a target.

The only countervailing logic would be that if xfd does not call out a target the scum might not target him in hopes of making him tomorrow's lynch, but to me that seems more likely to be a scum motivated argument.

[Justin Playfair]

Maruchan, the real vig, if it is not xfd, could be in jail tonight. Someone will be. Calling the kill also eliminates the chance that the vig might choose the target placed in jail by the JK. Since logic argues pretty heavily that, if xfd is our vig, we will only have one night of the vig's services, it would be a shame to have the vig and jk neutralize each other.

[Justin Playfair]

Neither Krystal nor Insanity are my favored lynch for today, but we are where we are, and it is now just a day before deadline. If I have to I will vote one of these two before deadline, but I do have a couple of questions I'd like to ask first:

xfd, you've indicated that you're going to shoot Not_Mafia but your vote is on Krystal, the same wagon N_M is voting. Do you think Not_Mafia is bussing his partner?

Insanity, each of your last three posts...

Are there any examples of this 'Amished tell' working? Maruchan's entry post seemed fairly standard to me.

Hmm, I quite like Maruchan's catchup post and don't think that we should lynch him today.

^I agree with this.

I am actually growing to like Maruchan for town now.

...are directed substantially in Maruchan's direction. Why is this, especially given the situation we are currently in? I'm especially curious about that second post, where you wrote that Maruchan shouldn't be the lynch for today. Maruchan only had two votes on him at the time, while both Krystal and Mala had three, your vote wasn't on Maruchan, and although you had earlier expressed some suspicion toward HGH and Elmo, your vote was on Elmo.


Malakittens, now that KB's other head has spoken what are your feelings toward it?

[Justin Playfair]

she's still not scum though.

-mantis

I'd sure like it if someone gave me some reason, any reason, just why this is.

[Justin Playfair]

feeling bad on her part looked genuine to me.

This proves she is a decent human being. It doesn't really say anything about her alignment in this game.

[Justin Playfair]

justin, what do you think of N_M? (sry if you've said and i've missed it)

I've become increasingly less comfortable with Not_Mafia as the game has progressed.

We just finished a pair of games together. Not_Mafia was scum in one and town in the other. As far as I can tell he has the same tendency to answer for others in both. He was a more aggressive scum hunter as scum than town, though to be fair he was a late game replacement in the game where he was town. My initial feeling about him was that he was town.

That started to turn with this post, which seemed just a tad opportunistic.

This is basically saying "I am town so it wasn't an Amished tell". How is saying someone had only one content post not a criticism of their play?

And this sent up some real red flags.

Moonlight is probably town, it was a bad reaction test I can see why he thought it might work. In regards to Maru and Krystal, lynch one and have agent vig the other, if somehow neither if them are scum I'll be looking at Mala tomorrow

I especially dislike the part about how if neither you or Maru are scum Not_Mafia will look at Mala tomorrow.

At this point I see Not_Mafia as probable scum.

[Justin Playfair]

insanity, i like your last post

but..
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5987240

how come if you would rather vote one of them... why did you make an effort to put a reason here when voting for us?

That post is the main reason I haven't voted for you. It's a post that would have made sense coming from someone who had expressed suspicion about your relationship with Mala, or who had even previously pursued something against you. But aside from a reactive qustion to Tammy this is her only previous mention of this at all...

I'll have to think about Mala. Her play here has been quite different from our scumgame together which could possibly mean town. I doubt Mala would be scum with Krystal Bald though.

It seems odd for someone to feel the need to pick between you and Mala when they have not previously established suspicions either that the two of you were scum together or that one of the two of you, based on your interactions, were scum on your own.

It felt quite artificial and forced. My feelings on this were exacerbated because, unlike your vote on Insanity, this vote was not made under pressure. Insanity had only one vote at the time of her vote on you. She was, however, the fourth vote on your wagon, at a time Mala and you previously both had three votes. So I might think that the fact you and Mala both had three votes on you was the reason for the mentions of both of you except for the fact that she'd already done it once.

[Justin Playfair]

justin is moving up in town list. i think justin, it was your case on mala that i didn't like..

this post
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5977332

And I think the fact that you clearly like playing with Mala is getting in the way of your scum hunting. Mala's dash at Tammy, her buddying with you, her pitty-pats with Not_Mafia and Insanity, none of it seems authentic. I'll vote the person I most think is scum among the possibilities for a lynch today, but that doesn't change what I think.

[Justin Playfair]

I think you're tunneling so hard that it will soon backfire on you, just sayin'

Not tunneling at all. I just have a pretty confident read on you and I'm pursuing it in the way that I think is most beneficial to town.

I'd still really like to hear you articulate more fully your reasons for now wanting to lynch KB.

[Justin Playfair]

I was leaning toward Insanity but I'll vote KB before I see Elmo swing today. Intent to hammer.

[Justin Playfair]

Yep. I can wait.

[Justin Playfair]

I will be going to bed pretttty soon - it's 11:30 pm and I have a really important sport event in the morning. Justin, make it happen.

It will. In about two hours I will be out for about three hours, but that is safely in our window.

[Justin Playfair]

I'd be happy to. Four hours should be about when I get home.

[Justin Playfair]

I don't hate you, Elmo. Okay. Back in three hours.

[Justin Playfair]

Not home yet, but if you're done KB?

[Justin Playfair]

Yeah, Maru, I'm home and sleepy tired so I'm going to do it.

Sorry, KB.

Vote: Krystal Bald

[Justin Playfair]

In any case

VOTE: insanity

Scummy water floats downhill and then pools up in some quiet spot. Good townie water washes away the scum.

Vote: Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia, as far as I can tell you've mentioned Insanity exactly once, in the "Could Lynch" portion of a list. Mind explaining that early morning vote?