Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

[Antihero]

poop

[Antihero]

oh hey bert, i see you drew scum this time. very nice.

[Antihero]

the boon thing is a good vote too

[Antihero]

y no vote?

i'm still reading/thinking

[Antihero]

'mkay, on page 4 and i'm going back on my read on the boon thing.

brood king's pinging gut

oh god, this is scum-guy

[Antihero]

y no vote?

i'm still reading/thinking

opinion on reinoe?

mostly null, flashes of town

[Antihero]

alright, i think my vote happens to be in an OK place.

i'd also take Chevre and bert votes. i also

might

take broodking votes.

[Antihero]

'mkay, on page 4 and i'm going back on my read on the boon thing.

brood king's pinging gut

oh god, this is scum-guy

pls explain.. I didn't post til page 5

yeah i know

5 comes after 4

town guyett posts good shit

the stuff on page 5+6 weren't good shit

[Antihero]

yeah, you must be to be asking scummy scum drippingscumbag bert for help, guy

[Antihero]

yeah.

bert is usually kind of troll-ish but when he's town he usually uses it to ... be town

here he's using it to be cute and disarming. he's also ~awkward~

[Antihero]

oh wait a sec i forgot about this

Hi guys. I'm a miller.

Conf town until day 3-4 at which point we can start addressing this claim.

this actually bugs the shit out of me

[Antihero]

disregard it. it's null.

what's going to magically happen on days 3 or 4 that's going to help you sort it?

[Antihero]

jeez, i have to go into MD mode?

disregard it. it's null.

what's going to magically happen on days 3 or 4 that's going to help you sort it?

there's a lot of possibilities

cop claim or flip
NK or vig shot
we could lynch a godfather

etc.

1) cop doesn't confirm miller's existence
2) vig the miller claim on policy? ok.... doesn't help us sort the miller claim
3) godfather doesn't confirm miller's existence either

what's your point EPM?

[Antihero]

disregard it. it's null.

what's going to magically happen on days 3 or 4 that's going to help you sort it?

Analysis of his play. Although day 4 might be generous. The safest thing would be to policy lynch but that's punishing a player because of the role they got.

...that should be what takes precedence from the get go.

to declare him "conftown until [arbitrary point]" is arbitrary and weird

[Antihero]

barring

another miller flipping

(which someone would CC), there's literally nothing that could possibly influence the credibility of the claim

[Antihero]

i wasn't even talking to you, epm, what are you swooping in and answering for reinoe for?

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chevre

[Antihero]

FAKEGODFAKEGODFAKEGOD

jump start the chevre wagon with me?

[Antihero]

[chevre, chaoslord, EPM, don, Bert]

[Antihero]

hey you
question mark hallway thing

why are you voting with scumbutt chevre even though you FoS'ed him earlier in you post?

[Antihero]

Anti-hero, you seem to be not insane...

recommendations on what to do about the negative utility town slot?

ignore it, judge Konowa on his play for now

OK,

if

we get to the point of massclaiming and sorting out claims, then we take a look at the game as a whole and see if "miller" fits in with all the other claimed PRs/the setup/ the mod philosophy as a whole

the only thing to keep in mind for now is: if you're a cop, don't bother investigating Konowa.

that's all there is to it for Day 1.

[Antihero]

@Antihero

Because the story about the jokes of the RVS posts is strange given that he has made an RVS joke himself. I want an answer for that. Because scums can perform distancing and bussing as well. But, first of all, because I think Reinoe is scummier, regardless of Chevre's vote.

reinoe is pretty town.

...but that would be an unnecessarily merciless bus.

hey you
question mark hallway thing

OLOLOLOLOL, the best name ever I have been given ^_^

[/quote]

get used to it because you have too many vowels and n's in your name and i can't remember them

[Antihero]

[chevre, chaoslord, EPM, don, Bert]

^if this set of people were to keel over right now, i bet this game would be over

i'm at ~80% on that.

[Antihero]

[chevre, chaoslord, EPM, don, Bert]

^if this set of people were to keel over right now, i bet this game would be over

i'm at ~80% on that.

add broodking in the mix and it goes up to about 95%

[Antihero]

because you obvtowned

i guess you just had to get drunk first

[Antihero]

thank you mr. obvious!

i was asked so i answered mr cheeky scumfuck

[Antihero]

@Anti could you please explain how you're seeing townReinoe here???

you remember that "how do you want to die?" game? go back and read day 1; reinoe was quickly mislynched. i think his flailing here is really reminiscent of that game.

[Antihero]

he's pretty low on my shit list. I like his posts tbh and I don't think that is alignment indicative if him. Not sure why anti is scum reading him either

haha, it's a 100% gut read. mostly now i'm just busting bert's balls (because it's fun).

i'm not that worried about it. if bert's town, he'll obvtown.

(i must admit, though, sheeping chevre's shotgunned piece of shit post isn't a great start)

[Antihero]

more on the aforementioned shotgunned piece of shit post.
here's a link where you can admire it: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5984736

it's a "wall", but there's not much in the way of analysis. it's mostly summary and safe stuff that's not likely to get him in trouble.

[Antihero]

well, go take a look at Day 1, it won't take you long.

i just get the feeling that i'm in the same situation. reinoe seems like he genuinely doesn't know what to do with the miller claim here (which could come from either alignment).

i'm not a huge fan of the wagon composition, though. i guess it's possible for a bad scumteam to hard bus right out of the gate, but i don't think it's likely.

[Antihero]

The only stuff I read prior to my entry in that game was the VC's.... I don't think I was around when Reinoe was around

well yeah, the VCs showed that his lynch wagon was scummier than the bottom of a fishtank

that too

[Antihero]

start(Bert?): with two scum power roles running around, why are we lynching the goon?

i knew there was a reason i had you in my pool of pondscum

[Antihero]

I'm not convinced that Reinoe is the correct lynch here.

I would lynch Guyett or even Bert before Reinoe.

what are you talking about?

is this fakegod?

[Antihero]

yeah, i didn't think reinoe was a good lynch either, so what's your point there?

not sure what you're seeing in guy though. he was pretty aggressive and take charge in SC's game so i think that's a pretty 'meh' way to read him.

[Antihero]

That is how I read Guyett.

In the games I've played with him, he was passive and sheepish. And drunk.

yeah, that's how he was in dark age. ETL did most of the posting.

...and he was scum.

[Antihero]

How Do You Want To Die? is the one i keep talking about re: guy and re: reinoe.

[Antihero]

bpc: pretty sure that's not the order of votes in the wagon. what's up with your votecounts...?

Fixed in above vote count and in new one!

[Antihero]

i don't need to convince you that you're scum

._.

[Antihero]

Post 235: Antihero, your list is cute and all but I would like reasons, because right now it looks like you picked the 4 players with the lowest post count plus Bert and Broodking.

breaking news: low posters take longer to sort

[Antihero]

by the way, the formatting of your post without links is really hard to follow and is anti-town

[Antihero]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

[Antihero]

dj and epm are horrible day 1 lynches.

does someone want to summarize the chevy wagon? granted, I am loosely following at this time, but I don't recall seeing a case. if you give me something to comment on, then I will comment on it. i can't remember the last time chevy posted. same for chaoslord.

chevre and chaos: let's talk.

I'm still on the "boonskiess or konowa are our best lynches today" mindset. i haven't seen much to change that.

:scumposting:

you're waiting for someone else to tell you what to comment on for Chevre? his iso is out there for all to read.

i find it hard to believe you don't see anything worthy of note from chevre, but somehow the "forced RVS" is still a good enough reason to lynch boon.

[Antihero]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

[chevre, don, epm]

/easymode

[Antihero]

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

:scumposting:

only comes out to post either 1) flawed theory or 2) a chainsaw

[Antihero]

don't think i don't see you hanging around at the bottom of the page, epm.

i know you're in [post just enough to avoid prods] mode

bring it, scumbutt

[Antihero]

[quote="In post 351, Konowa"][/quote]

this.

you should independently investigate people because that's what... you know... town do. it's proactive. i also talked about why i'm voting chevre already and if you missed it you're obviously not reading very closely.

you don't get to refuse to read the game and then cry misrep.

and if "cases" are really your big thing, give cases on boon and konowa.

[Antihero]

Antihero:

I don't want to argue the semantics of "misrep", but you have twice now tried to spin things I have said in a negative light. I will explain this more later when I have time and respond to the rest of your posting.. I will also address the "polarizing" comment. reading is overrated. meta me if you wish, but I read on an as needed or by desire basis. not as a matter of course. actions and voting patterns present much more concrete evidence than posting does. there are very few things outside of interactions with known scum that catch my eye in this game, and trying to spin a players posts in a negative light is tops on that list. its a subtle strategy and when done well, is hard to notice. but I have seen it before and I'm seeing it now. the polite thing to do in this situation is to link me to or paraphrase your case on chevre. I don't see any town motivation for avoiding the question and then hiding behind spin.

oh hell no, fuck this noise

you don't get to not read the thread (how fucked of a "strategy" is that?) and then shame

me

for not being "polite"

the "polite" thing to do is to hold yourself to the same standards as everyone else and keep up with the conversation instead of butting in at a random time and demand

everyone else

do the leg work to catch you up.

here's a link. now you have

no excuse

. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5985447

[Antihero]

or better yet, the ISO button's at the bottom. read chevre's iso and either tell me i'm full of shit and you're reading him as town or not. don't demand i spoonfeed you and then OMGUS when i won't.

[Antihero]

...and it's not like i

never

said anything previously about why i'm voting chevre. just because you're too lazy to go back in my iso doesn't mean i'm scum or that i'm scum because i'm pissed that you're apparently too lazy to read.

you can stand there and hold the shitbag of shame all by yourself, don.

[Antihero]

alright

i ate a tomato sandwich and took a chill pill and now i would like to articulate why i'm really pissed at you, don.

i've been sitting through this early game, trying to hammer out reads and get a wagon that's good going. my biggest issue with chevre is that he's making big, chunky, hard-to-follow "wall" posts that don't really offer up much in terms of analysis, but occupy a lot of space (i articulated this post 258 and post 262). add that to the fact that i wasn't a fan of the reinoe wagon and i think it was scum driven (which i said in post 267).

now, you want to ramble into the game just now and say "where's the case?" when it's been talked about and THEN you have the gall to call me scummy after i won't do your homework for you. i also gather from post 285 that you're not paying much attention. this is maddening.

moving on to your current arguments.

i think boon is p town. his reaction to being wagoned of "this person is opportunistic, fuck all you guys, i'm not scummy" is typical newbtown to a T.
i don't agree with konowa's arguments for voting reinoe (but i could see them coming from a town place). his thoughts on epm and chevre are pretty synced with mine, so konowa's a slight town read for me right now.

therefore, i don't understand this whole "konowa or boon" train of thought you've got going on here. if you tell me "you don't see anything to tell you otherwise", i'll tell you "open your eyes. then you might see something."

NOW

if you come back to me with something about lynching for "information" or a VCA, i'll tell you where you can stick it. VCA is a byproduct of analyzing posts; you don't lock onto something early D1 and then go "herpaderpderp, let's just lynch this and do VCA later" because the more you talk about VCA now the more it's corrupted later. you go for Day 1 scumlynches, not "information lynches" (i don't even know what that means anyway).

if you have a particular issue with a case/wagon then spit it out. don't say you don't see anything and demand everyone else spoonfeed you. it's not town motivated and i actually see it as a way for scum to tread water and not have to take any controversial stances and just shit up the thread by "asking questions" in order to just look busy. i don't really care if you would describe yourself as a day 1 power player or not; if you really are town, now's the time for an attitude adjustment.

[Antihero]

well, don and i are talking past each other at this point so i guess the only thing i can do is wait for that reread.

[Antihero]

lol guy. you're a riot.

VOTE: EPM

hey epm, don't wait for your prod timer to wind down. come on in and obvscum it up some more.

[Antihero]

lol guy. you're a riot.

?

the bad day vig gambit. made my morning. XD

almost as much as it made my morning when i reviewed EPM's iso and realized it was literally all garbage and he's a near 100% guaranteed scumflip

[Antihero]

What makes you think its a gambit? Way to ruin it if it was fake shot :/

I'm in work now but I'll check out epm's posts later

because site meta's to the point where 95% of day vig shots are fake

come on, don't act like i'm the only one that knows this

[Antihero]

question mark hallway thing, real day vig shots are so rare and the day vig gambit is so common that it's almost an inside joke

[Antihero]

Anti, would EPM link a game that he just recently won as scum if he was scum?

yes

[Antihero]

yes

[Antihero]

why am I scum

i'm guessing because that's what random.org told BPC

[Antihero]

almost as much as it made my morning when i reviewed EPM's iso and realized it was literally all garbage

[Antihero]

there you go again shutting down important and good town questions

LOLZ

your scumplaining isn't a "good town question"

and neither is waiting for half the game to weigh in on the Chevre wagon (which...... you haven't done btdubs)

[Antihero]

I'm not interested in voting Chevre

haha, 'mkay.

see you in 48 hours for your next snipe

[Antihero]

B) this sounds hypocritical. he seems to be condemning epm for "waiting for half the game to weigh in on the chevre wagon," but atm, Anti's current strategy seems to be "waiting for half the game to weigh in on the chevre wagon." maybe I'm wrong, but that statement just reads strange to me. in any case, I would be ok getting anti into the bloc, but I sense that he would resist anyway. bloc voting is a good strategy which we could debate for hours, but anti's current "holier than thou" attitude tells me it is unlikely he would agree to the bloc. of course, we could all agree to let him choose the target today. that is, if you truly want to stand by your "obvtown" read.

hm, what i meant to say was that me waiting for people to weigh in on the chevre wagon isn't the scumtell epm is trying to make it out to be. it just came out wrong in the execution.

also, LOL. don = the projection king

[Antihero]

but anti's current "holier than thou" attitude tells me it is unlikely he would agree to the bloc.

uhhhhhhhhhhhh, no.
i don't need to be talked down to or shamed for playing the game or saying what's on my mind.

you declared yourself dead weight and asked for a case i already outlined so yeah, i'm going to call you on it. nothing i said was out of bounds, nor did it imply that i think i'm better than someone else. (in fact, you're the one that brought up something about how great your town record is or some such).

but i'm not playing this game where i'm shamed for trying to hammer out a read on a slot that, as far as i'm concerned, is active lurking.

does anyone else have a problem with me?
i'll replace out if so. let me know.

[Antihero]

i don't want to

but i'd rather do that then stay and be made to feel bad for no reason

[Antihero]

'Dis is a f---ing game and we're f---ing playing it. Why should anyone replace out?

because apparently the response to me telling don to read the thread is to draw in ego and straw man what i said.

i don't play this game to feel like a sack of shit. i've already got real life for that.

[Antihero]

i don't want to

but i'd rather do that then stay and be made to feel bad for no reason

So I should have just quit when Bubbajack and co were giving me shit in how you want to die? Or when GM and Titus were calling my VCA pointless and stupid?

alright, alright

i'm over it now.

[Antihero]

(well, i don't know if i'm over it or not, but fuck it. let's just keep going.)

[Antihero]

Antihero: your AtE seems out of place. that coupled with your previous spin attempts is unsettling. I'm giving you the pass now because your chevre case makes way more sense and from what I've read in the past couple pages, the case seems spot on. in any case, let's try and be civil. if I really offended you I apologize. you just seemed to be coming at me with the gloves up.

it wasn't AtE. it was dead serious (and it still is dead serious; if i have a majority of this game that has a serious problem with me as a person, i'll get out). ._.

and it's not out of place since when "i came at you with my gloves up" your response was to kick me in the nuts...

on a reread, i really like a bert lynch and konowa is actually kind of scummy.
it's really weird how don and chevre go at each other while making subtle jabs at me (mostly due to my emotional cracking last night too...).

still think chevre has a good chance of being scum.

[Antihero]

EPM is still a thread shitter but i think Bert WKing him is scum on town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bert

[Antihero]

Please, stop. I mean everyone.
Attack the posts, not the players. We're getting nowhere by this.
And yes, I'm naive.

explosiveness and abrasiveness are a part of the antihero experience. as you can probably tell, i'm an acquired taste, which is why you see Guy and Fakegod putting up with my bullshit.

[Antihero]

"anti's scum meta is my scum meta"

VOTE: EPM

vote's not moving the rest of the day

[Antihero]

EPM = scumfuck mudslinging because he's going down in flames anyway

[Antihero]

I like you.
I hope you won't take this personally.

Anti's superiority complex atm is scum ego probably. He's probably bussing someone too. my guess is DJ. I know because I get like that as scum too. Get carried away being in a position where you're just fucking people and it's super fun.

I guess I'll catch up now though.

you haven't even read

and you want to stamp a "scum" label on me?

scum-fuck. trying. to. push. my. buttons.

[Antihero]

I see myself being put at L-1 eventually if I keep this up, so I will buck this trend (or so I hope) before it's too late and town is harmed by my ineptitude.

you can make up for it by bussing EPM

[Antihero]

I always love it when people try to lynch people who are lazy and honest. [/sarcasm]

there is literally very little scumhunting going on at all here. Anti-hero's response to my request is about the best post I can see over the last few pages. everyone else's scumhunting consists of "epm and don aren't reading, they must be scum". in other words, you "lazy" fuckers are trying to policy lynch instead of scumhunt.

vote: chevre

Konowa: how does 428 "lessen" chevre of being scum?

Antihero: your AtE seems out of place. that coupled with your previous spin attempts is unsettling. I'm giving you the pass now because your chevre case makes way more sense and from what I've read in the past couple pages, the case seems spot on. in any case, let's try and be civil. if I really offended you I apologize. you just seemed to be coming at me with the gloves up.

chevre: you seem to be trying to place me in a static box. you are trying to portray my playstyle as "not reading". which is a gross misinterpretation of what I said. you also ignored my mention of the statistics which was paramount to why I brought them up in the first place. I wasn't just "citing" my record, but showing how my game has improved recently. I have a good scum record because I'm good and lucky. I have a good town record because I'm an asset to town. trying to lynch me because you don't like my approach to the game is lazy and scummy. you haven't asked any pertinent questions of me or done any investigation. enjoy your noose.

I like you.
I hope you won't take this personally.

Anti's superiority complex atm is scum ego probably. He's probably bussing someone too. my guess is DJ. I know because I get like that as scum too. Get carried away being in a position where you're just fucking people and it's super fun.

I guess I'll catch up now though.

awww, you dropped off the bottom of the page. guess you'll just keep promising content and not actually do anything.

the only one with a "superiority complex" is apparently you because my contributions aren't limited to patronizing head patting, unmitigated bullshit, and glorified prod dodging.

this 1v1 is on now, though. keep on truckin' to your grave.

[Antihero]

not sure how that don quote got in the above post... o.O

[Antihero]

but really though, if I can pop in, read a couple of your posts and tell you're scum without even being caught up on the whole game, that just makes me more sure that you pulled scum this time. It has nothing to do with me projecting my meta onto you, you just have that red-in-my-inbox mentality thing going on bruh

lol, 'kay.

you can hang now.
(but you can go ahead and attempt to make your meta case on me first; that should be pretty hilarious.)

[Antihero]

a town bloc would also help so I'd be cool with that.

don never suggested a town bloc, he suggested a voting bloc.

and making a forced "townbloc" early on is a scum strategy.

[Antihero]

but really though, if I can pop in, read a couple of your posts and tell you're scum without even being caught up on the whole game, that just makes me more sure that you pulled scum this time. It has nothing to do with me projecting my meta onto you, you just have that red-in-my-inbox mentality thing going on bruh

>garbage ISO
>promises for content (no follow up)
>button pushing
>"yeah let's 1v1" with no follow up vote (no follow up seems to be a recurring theme with you)

yeah, someone has a red-in-my-inbox mentality going on, bruh. it's you.

by the way, calling someone an egoist while being "convinced" you nailed scum without reading is really fucking hypocritical.

[Antihero]

also, "blocs" whether labeled "town" or "voting" are not "scum strategy". nor are they scummy. if you don't buy into the strategy, that's fine, but don't blast a strategy which has proven successful time and time again. a bloc does not need to be all town to be successful. it certainly can't be all scum, but some scum in the bloc is okay. what a bloc does is force more cooperation and civility. two things which run against the grain of scum strategy. scum need to sow confusion, dissension, and paranoia in order to win games. blocs help eliminate or severely hamper scums ability to do so. in my experience, when people start calling the bloc strategy "scummy" and flat out refuse to acknowledge its merits, then those players are more likely to be scum. but whatevz. if you guys want to lynch the guy whose being honest over the guy whose blowin' smoke and hypocrisy up your arses, then by all means...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5461909

[Antihero]

mastin said it better than i can say it.

[Antihero]

Post 436: Antihero, I think you can "unintentionally" AtE. the parenthetical reference near the end of this post, 436, for example. You obviously wanted us to be reminded of your emotional crackage and take that into account when judging you. I don't think AtE is scummy because any player is liable to get emotionally invested and their feelings hurt, but I'm confused as to why you've put yourself in such a conspicuous role of leadership if you're so susceptible to breaking down. Maybe it's more psychological than it's worth getting into for the purposes of this game.

i don't "put myself" anywhere. i just don't take the role of "sheep" that often.

honestly, it feels like EPM is scum and he's being dense and antagonistic to intentionally throw me off my game. from previous games, he knows exactly which buttons to push and he's pushing all of them.

i'm also guessing i was onto something earlier in the game and that's why the distraction was needed.

[Antihero]

don, then would you be up for anti lynch today?

explain

[Antihero]

well, the people who know me are either scum pushing my buttons or playing dumb.
i've also got chevre, epm, and don condescending to me.

bert is being bert.

and everyone else isn't posting.

also, im not drunk.

so pretty shitty.

[Antihero]

well, the people who know me are either scum pushing my buttons or playing dumb.

?

I'm not scum and I'm pretty sure I'm not dumb

i'm talking about fakegod+epm

[Antihero]

tbh I just want today to end so I have some analysis to go on

honestly, if i'm going to continue taking lashings from don about theory and personality and patronizing horseshit from epm, i'd rather be the lynch today.

[Antihero]

man I'm sleepy

P-edit cop the fuck on anti you;re not getting lynched. Juseu you're beginning to sound like me when I get iin a mood. all you need to do now is self vote

you compare this to "how do you want to die?"; but in that game, you had support.

if someone wants to clamp down on a strategy where i have to think inside the box or be called scum, i'd rather die.
also, if i have to get lectures on "civility" from someone who makes passive-aggressive snipes via appeals to authority, i'd rather die.

[Antihero]

it disappeared behind EPM's smokescreen of "oh lolz, i'm not reading the game, but ANTI'SZ SO SCUMZORZ"

and it's not like he's coming in with reasoning or arguments. he's talking out his just out of...

...

spite.

[Antihero]

it disappeared behind EPM's smokescreen of "oh lolz, i'm not reading the game, but ANTI'SZ SO SCUMZORZ"

and it's not like he's coming in with reasoning or arguments. he's talking out his ass just out of...

...

spite.

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chevre

i'm leaving this game for tonight, but i'll be back tomorrow morning. i think this is a good vote though.

[Antihero]

Full disclosure, I never play two games at a time and I am right now because it just worked out that way and I need to dedicate some time to this but I'll probably be skimming for another RL day or two.

Actually let's just

Mod, I'm V/LA until Tuesday night

oh wow

alright, here's my piece for ya', epm.

take however many days for V/LA and come on back when you have something to say that actually advances the gamestate. when you can actually put together a cohesive thought that logically follows. with this whole piecemeal thing you have going on, you might as well not be posting.

except for it's actually worse than not posting because you're just being antagonistic for the hell of it.

but yeah, either make real posts or...... continue to be too cool for school and pro-scum.

[Antihero]

And we've all forgotten Reinoe because of his V/LA. But he's going to be back soon.
However, I'm not against a Chevre or an Evilpacman wagon. The Boonskiies wagon, in my opinion is a pile of shyt, I've already posted about that.

In my opinion, even

talking

about the theory of townblocks may alter the behavior of the townblocks. So, I'm absolutely against the topic. Talking about Pyschohistory to/with the people makes the Pyschohistry got false reads. And I'm an Asimov fan. ^_^

you have your vote parked on reinoe. why is that?

[Antihero]

chevre is being called scum by almost everyone but there's only 3 votes on the wagon. (and we have people like Anen and chaos opting to vote reinoe instead because........i don't know)

yeah, i'd say there's some resistance to this wagon, guy.

[Antihero]

haha

fakegod is so scum this time

[Antihero]

you were all gung-ho about voting chevre earlier, but now that we're down to the wire you suddenly hate and pooh-pooh everything and you want to get a lynch wagon that you know's not going to happen started?

[Antihero]

because bpc needed it and i always like helping mods in need

also because you, bert, and guy were in it.

[Antihero]

because bpc needed it and i always like helping mods in need

also because you, bert, and guy were in it.

Then explain your first post.

that's the first thing that popped into my head when i saw bert's rvs post.

well, it's the first thing that pops into my head when i have to read any rvs

[Antihero]

oh yeah?

continue with the meta case.

[Antihero]

that's not continuing the meta case.

[Antihero]

Your entire play this game makes sense if looked at from that POV.

if looked at from what POV?

[Antihero]

fucking really?

i'll see you later

[Antihero]

Checkmate?

no, you're taking a throwaway post and cramming it into an egocentric theory.

[Antihero]

this brand of obliviousness is so frustrated and so fucking repetitive.

let's see.

dark age of the law: you pushed me the whole game and even though i was pushing the same scumbags you were the whole time.
ffery's game: haha, in this one you actually chainsawed me for EPM even though, again, i was pushing the same scumbag you were the previous day.
this game: let's see, i'm pushing the same people you are and you turn 180 on me go full moron.

tell you what.
if chevre flips town, i'll be the first to self-vote tomorrow.

no bullshit. on the record. for real. there's enough mislynches built in anyway.

[Antihero]

I'll change my mind if you find me a scum d1.

ooooo, pressures on, you really got my back to wall this time, eh?

i'll do a reads list in a bit.

[Antihero]

i think the place we're most likely going to find scum is in:
[chevre, Aneninen, chaoslord54, BroodKingEXE]

[Antihero]

there's also bert, but guy acts like he knows what he's doing when he's reading him so i think i'll go with that.

^but yeah, the above post is the axis my reads are spinning on.

[Antihero]

hold on, not ready yet UNVOTE:

[Antihero]

And now, a Malkavian-style summary about the players.
Don't take this post

too

seriously ^_^

Spoiler:

Reinoe

– Oh, Rudolph the red-nosed Reinoe, lynch Konowa yes-yes? No-no? Isn't it fastcinating that he's able to launch a fight with anyone, anytime, anywhere. I wonder if he had a mirror, would he call himself a scummy-yummie?

Straight From the Bert

– "Wait, I'll post later. I'll post later. I'll post later." Have I left out something?

Guyett

– Fake-Vig shot, fake-hammer shyt, 103 posts, plenty of drunken-hicks. At least, these are town-hicks, I think. He's even trying to use his scumhunt-radar even if it's unplugged sometimes.

Chaoslord

– So much effort has been put into a case against Reinoe so as to vote for Chevre. A peakpoint of the scumhunting logic, like wow!

Aneninen

– Does he do anything? Or is he only a talentless dadaist artist who missed his Space and Time?

Antihero

– Every community needs a real Drama Queen. Even if that Queen is a male. Better than nothing, I suppose.

Chevre

– Enough walls for a house. It would be a pity if that scummy-looking house would be wrecking balled by the Vogon Fleet, ain't it?

Misaka

– Little AniMisaka looks like a townie, acts like a townie, posts like a townie. Keep up the good work and one day I might believe you, okay?

Don Johnson

– Ooh yeah, experience meets brain meets self-confidence. He's the light in the eternal darkness even if the light bulb is missing.

Boonskiies

– Quick, agile and harmless like a little ground beetle. I hope he won't be squished by a 16-tons-weight too soon.

Konowa

– Well, it's hard to be a miller. No reason to lynch him, he may stay if he wishes. I doubt the scums would have the same wish. If not, the town would wish something... else. Life's tough.

Evilpacman

– Tid-tiririd-tiririt-tirididitidi- oh no, that's Tetris. Never mind, I like noise. In theory. However, sssssss, it seems to be a bit scummy noise. Not good.

BroodkingEXE

– Since when a fossil is a possible rule in normal games? What a pity, I liked his early posts indeed.

^see, posts like these are what gives me a gut scum read on you

[Antihero]

i

will

do a reads list, i just need a couple hours straight to actually review this game. let me have the hammer.

[Antihero]

Claiming intent. I'll try wait for people who want to say stuff but I'm not sober...

don't hammerblock me. still need to do a summary.

[Antihero]

my slots of interest:

Aneninen - this one's been a secret scumread of mine that's been simmering most of the game. his signal:noise ratio is remarkably low and i think the noise generation is more likely to come from newbscum. he's done a good job of keeping in with the popular opinions and never seems to stick his neck out. the most recent reads list here also looks like a scum's reads list with opinions missing on some major slots (me, bert, chaos, boon).

broodking - he's been a question mark most of this game and his ISO doesn't

really

tell me anything about where he's going (it's mostly cobbled together responses to details of other people's posts).

evilpacman18 - i add this slot back into the scum mix because he's active on the site, but avoiding this thread.

konowa - a mixed bag, but there's flashes of scum (the bleh push on chaoslord for one)

Chevre - his last couple posts are the towniest he's been all game. he may flip scum but i doubt it. (my deal with fakegod's still on though)

everyone else are varying degrees of townreads (boon is a wildcard)

[Antihero]

If you dobt think chevre is scum I am ok discussing things.. he is a pretty big scum read of mine but chaos is higher. I wamt chaos dead now.
epm is up there too. Unfortunately I dont think we have time to move wagon

haha, no guy. i don't think so. re:chaos

don's right. we already ran someone up to claim and got VT, it's poor form to run someone else up.

besides, if we were doing preferred, 1st choice lynches, i'd take Anen.

[Antihero]

because scum act differently when they know they're under observation. they actually tend to be scummier when they're not under suspicion.

And you all know, security
Is mortals' chiefest enemy.

[Antihero]

i'm a very polarizing player

chaos and bert are too to some degree. you can't tell me they're all completely null.

[Antihero]

startfromtheheart

snoopy

he's a townread of mine now, by the way. and you guys should lynch fakegod if he tries to go after him.

[Antihero]

[epm/fakegod] + [anenien/broodking]

[Antihero]

i was kinda suspicious of anti during re-skim but then i had two long days and i forgot what happened in this game so.....

>i was on the right track
>i got chainsawed to hell and back (courtesy of EPM and Fakegod)
>OH LOOK THE GUY I ORIGINALLY CALLED OUT WAS FUCKING SCUM

cut the shit, bert

there's scum in the chainsaw wielders, if not both of them. any other scum is going to be in the wildcards

[Antihero]

i would guess fakegod/anenien

fakegod would have the balls to think he can still lynch me and anenien is still scummy for the reasons i said yesterday

[Antihero]

haha

yeah, this can hang

VOTE: anenien

[Antihero]

However, I have a question. Why did you unvote Chevre in 592? Because "you were not ready?" Hmmm... Originally you were the third one on that wagon. By that time it was pretty unsure that the wagon would reach L–1 later. Were you scared that your innocent-looking bussing could lead to a lynch? In 613 you mentioned that you would do a reads list and use the hammer but in your list (625) you wrote this: "Chevre - his last couple posts are the towniest he's been all game. he may flip scum but i doubt it." This is FoS at least!

chevre claimed VT already, he was obviously dying (i even said this when i acknowledged don's point about how we shouldn't run anyone else up). i unvoted because i wanted to do a reads list. i did the reads list and then left with the expectation guy would drop the hammer (exactly like he said he would).

[Antihero]

La wow!
It has taken only one minute to read my post?

Oh, no-no-no-no-no-no-no, call me an OMGUS, but that helped me choosing between my FoS's.

VOTE: Antihero.

OFF: by the way, does anyone know how do we pronounce WIFOM? Is it

wee-fom

or

wai-foam

? I'd vote for the latter one.

i gotta' say, FakeGod, i'm kind of impressed. the "bus case" was obviously you-coached, but the gas lighting day 1. that was pretty masterful.

[Antihero]

and yes, yes it did. it took me 1 minute to see through the bullshitty case you and fakegod put together in the scum QT last night.

gg.

[Antihero]

considering i was scumreading you before. yeah, you're going to make up something better than that.

and i post with a multi-posting stream-of-consciousness style, so i'll make 1 post with a vote and a second with a reasoning.

[Antihero]

1) an already decently strong scumread
2) 15 seconds to see you're pushing the bus angle

... yep. one minute.

got anything else?

[Antihero]

Back to @Antihero, there is one more peculiar thing about that 1-minute theory. How the heck did you know that I'm here and about to post? The previous post from Startfromtheheart was at 7:17, my one was at 9:27. And you were online, nearby, etc. for thaaaat long hoping that I'm going to post something which you can get a so-called scumread on. No, I won't fall for that.

do what now?

my scumread on you started yesterday.

yesterday

. last game day.

i happened to be on at the time you posted.

so, what's your theory? that i have this newfound scumread on you that i developed in the course of a minute because of your push? because, that's just blatantly not true.

right now you're just throwing out a bunch of time stamps and acting like it means something.

[Antihero]

@others No, I'm not defending Misaka.

LOLOLOLOL

oh jeez

fakegod, how pissed are you that anenien is completely blowing it for you right now?

[Antihero]

You went on with the following post. There were no arguments behind the statement. (Yes, you had posted your reasons on my scumread yesterday but I answered your posts.)

oh well, then i guess i have to stop thinking you're scum as long as you "answer my posts."

Besides, you've been ignoring the lynch of Chevre (who was a scum) and the Nightkill in your arguments. As far as I've experienced so far, whenever a new day starts, townies tend to talk about the lynch, the nightkill, the Votes... Ignoring all these topics is scummy in itself.

i explicitly

didn't

ignore chevre's flip and the nightkill. i actually explicitly mention both.

But why didn't you want to remain on the wagon and did you draw anything useful from such a plan? AFAIS there's no good motivation to hop off the wagon considering you had a scum read on him.

holy shit

context

i was lagging behind in the game and wanted to do a reads list and unvoted to avoid an errant hammer.

this should be obvious i was doing this from the

context

of the game and what i said re: new flashwagons at the end of the day yesterday.

to act like i was trying to prevent chevre's death is inaccurate and the basis of anenien's slimy argument.

[Antihero]

The way you went about it was kinda strange cause there's only 5 or 6 posts in between your scum list and the unvote586. Your reads this game have been haphazard in general it's hard to tell who you really think is scum and is "scummy". That being said I don't think such an action is scummy, and upon a read through of interactions with Cherve feel you are leaning town.

this was the reads list i wanted to do before the day ended, not whatever thing you linked.

[Antihero]

if you want to kiss and make up, start by voting mr. newbscum over here.

[Antihero]

also, all you need a tutorial on how bussing works.

Spoiler:

Hi y'all. I like to do walls, and this post is likely to be one, so you're warned.

No problem, at least someone does something ^_^

Post 6: I'm curious to know startfromtheheart's motivation for posting completely random reads. To me, it seems like a way to creation "suspicion" when people would just be reacting to them out of emotion or fury, especially when they are so conspicuously broadcasted as random.
Post 29: I could be super reading into this but Aeneinen's "Don't lynch a vegetarian!" line feels desperately and inappropriately afraid of a lynch at that point in the game.
Post 36: don_johnson, what exactly makes a forced RVS vote suspicious? I would agree that Boonskiies vote could be considered forced, but I'm not making the link.
In the same paranoid vein as my feelings toward Post 29, I'm wary of Broodking's 44. I guess y'all may think I'm taking RVS jokes to serioiusly, but I feel like those early lines could hide subconscious nervousness on the part of scum.

Yes, you're taking RVS jokes too seriously. Set 29, 125 and 133 against each other ^_^
44 is similar... maybe it would be a better question: why isn't he voting (and why hasn't he voted yet)?
36 is a null for me.
6 hmmm... most probably a reaction check.[/post] It was ignored, however, you posted an answer in 51. I think that was a joke as well, wasn't it? And yet you're trying to make reads out of jokes. Strange...

FoS

Chevre

Post 194: what? wait, did reinoe just 180 on his whole "conf town" for Konowa's miller claim?

Sure did. Konowa is acting really scummy and Guyett's "scum would never claim miller because they might get policy lynched" while at the same time..."reinoe said we should policy lynch miller. he's totes scum!!!!!" indicates that it's time to test the miller claim.

Oops! You've got a point.

FoS

Reinoe too!

Post-edit

You're also setting up Konowa to be a lynch later in the game for *reasons*

Well, I'm fine with lynching Konowa now too.

Wait, what?!
NoNoNoNoNONO

NO

!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Reinoe

@Antihero

Because the story about the jokes of the RVS posts is strange given that he has made an RVS joke himself. I want an answer for that. Because scums can perform distancing and bussing as well. But, first of all, because I think Reinoe is scummier, regardless of Chevre's vote.

hey you
question mark hallway thing

OLOLOLOLOL, the best name ever I have been given ^_^

I've still had an issue on Chevre which I posted in 213 (check out part below the second quote). Though he posted another long analysis later he didn't give any explanation for my issue. (314).

that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet

noooope you're scum

...Whut?

@Chevre

: I pointed out something long ago, you gave no response, I pointed out it again, you gave a response. That's all, case dismissed.

@Don Johnson

: I don't like your playstyle too. What's that "reading is overrated and check out my record and you'll see that I'm right" thing? (Note: The previous one was not a quote, that was only a paraphrase.) So far I have been thinking votes and actions are results of communication and reading.

@Chevre

It was asked before what the case was on you. Thatswhy I pointed out my original question, that's all.
By the way, I don't see the logic behind the posts you choose in your summaries. However, I think it's neither a town-tell nor a scum-tell. Just weird.

Evilpacman does no scumhunting and I definitely don't like that.

Post 434: Aneninen, I just pick whatever I feel needs responding to. Do you suggest something else? I ask seriously, because my education of how to play here has been rough even though I've been here many years.

Sure, you can pick whatever you want. On the other hand it's strange that you haven't answered anything on that (fake?) DayVig shot, in 372. For example.

Posts 425, 438, and 470 from Aneninen; the emotion feels forced to me. Like he's scum and everyone around him is cracking and he's trying to insert himself into a mediator's position.

...or it's possible that I didn't understand the whole dispute but I thought that Antihero's emotional posts were mere over-reactions. Besides, right now I'm alone on a vanity wagon. Wouldn't be easier for me to put EvilPacman on L–1 or join another wagon if I were a scum?
Frankly, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

About BoonSkiies:

I'll agree that he hasn't done shit in this game, but it feels too much like a townie who is trying to stay with the game rather then a scum trying to lurk to victory.

I'm 100% agree with the quote above.

And we've all forgotten Reinoe because of his V/LA. But he's going to be back soon.
However, I'm not against a Chevre or an Evilpacman wagon. The Boonskiies wagon, in my opinion is a pile of shyt, I've already posted about that.

In my opinion, even

talking

about the theory of townblocks may alter the behavior of the townblocks. So, I'm absolutely against the topic. Talking about Pyschohistory to/with the people makes the Pyschohistry got false reads. And I'm an Asimov fan. ^_^

Before his V/LA started I had thought that he had been a scum. The lack of his posts doesn't change this, only his forthcoming posts can confirm or weaken this read.

However, mind my full post, please. I'm aware of the fact that there may be no Reinoe wagon at all. In this case I might join an Evilpacman or a Chevre wagon if we're running out of time. I'm not joining a Boonskiies wagon.

Of course – as always – new incoming pieces of information can and will change my vote.

Okay, Chevre, tell us something.

VOTE: Chevre

That's L–1 now and that's the main reason for my vote.

i think the place we're most likely going to find scum is in:
[chevre, Aneninen, chaoslord54, BroodKingEXE]

What exactly are your arguments for this list?

outlining vague suspicion until the last second when the vote drops. this is what bussing looks like.

[Antihero]

I blew my towncred to smithereens, and you're literally drowning in town cred.

yeah well your saving grace is that there's a chance epm is the chainsawing scumbag who's retreated into lurkerdom because he knows he's hosed.

[Antihero]

the chaoslord votes are pretty bad.

..but hey, it's the counterwagon to scum so i guess i'd expect as much.

[Antihero]

well the last series of posts from broodking was a doozy.

/whistle

[Antihero]

hmmm i hope that's a good omen

it's not

broodking especially is making me rethink this

[Antihero]

UNVOTE: for a second

[Antihero]

when did i dance around it?

[Antihero]

also, why do you think the chevre wagon went to completion?

[Antihero]

um... because he got lynched? because active players campaigned and voted for him. of which you did neither.

oh yes i did.

read the fakegod/me exchange yesterday.

that's

why the chevre wagon went to completion.

[Antihero]

Anti what's your read on me as of now. At the begginning of the day you had either Anen or me as Scum. You're flip flopping on a wagon again, only this time you haven't addressed your issue with it.

i'm

flip flopping?

says the guy who was on chaoslord at the beginning of the day when he was catching heat (from the previous day+bert at the beginning of the day) then switched to Anen for little reason.

you're going wherever it looks like the wagons are going. i bet you'll vote me next.

if you have something to post in response, then post it. referring vaguely to a part of the game isn't going to convince me. in my memory, you had little to nothing to do with the wagon's end other than chiming in and agreeing with ME.

you must have dementia then.
the only reason the chevre wagon ever got derailed in the first place was because EPM barreled in like a moose with his "OMG ANTI'S SO SCUMZORZ, also i'm not going to read" which triggered the EPM-shitfest that took place. i rejoined the chevre wagon because i thought i might have been getting sucked into a bad scumread with EPM just being a lazy ass and i said as much because i said something to the effect of "this feels right".

with me 1) having the numbers for an EPM lynch (see: anen and chevre's professed opinions at the time) and 2) catching all kinds of shit from fakegod re: chevre, i don't see how you could think

i'm

the busser here. so... i bussed when it mattered and didn't when it didn't matter? that's backwards.

[Antihero]

@don do you really think now is a good time for a mass claim? I don't think things like that should happen unless someone has a guilty tbh

hey

/snapsnap

you're losing focus.

[Antihero]

with the amount of horseshit don, EPM, fakegod, and chevre have collectively drowned me in day 1, i can't believe

i'm

the one having to defend myself today. i was doing just fine until everyone squatted over me a took a big shit and NOW apparently they all want to use that response to incriminate me.

well let me let you in on something, mr. "i've got a 38-31 town record". you want to know why this game is fraying my nerves?
when [the bloc of fail] criticized my playstyle when i was doing nothing wrong, you all bought your front row seats to the shit show, which you saw.

i was the one who caught chevre AND I FUCKING GOT BLOWBACK FROM PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. and now i'm coooooooooooooooooooooontinuing to get blowback for shit reasons from HERPADERPEADLURKADERPS and the people who started the shitstorm (all those people i listed) have very little interest in fixing it.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Broodking

just had another look at the iso.

i'm up for another "you can lynch me if this is town".

[Antihero]

i will not be voting chaos barring a counterclaim.

anti: you have it backwards. you bussed when it didn't matter, and didn't bus when it did. but whatevz, you seem to be tossing out the AtE again. its kind of pathetic. what do you think of a chaos claim?

...and yet, here we have a chevre lynch. what, you thought you were going to get it by yourself?

sorry, buster brown, you weren't.

[Antihero]

results from N1, chaos?

[Antihero]

oh well aint that just dandy...

[Antihero]

you were not voting chevre. you were not pressuring chevre. you pushed chevre hard and early. then backed off and never really went back. you chimed in at the point when his lynch was inevitable. if you are not scum you are going to have to try harder to convince me. simply saying "well I lynched chevre" when you avoided the wagon at its most crucial moments is not going to cut it.

uh, no. the crucial moment was when epm's wagon hit critical mass and fakegod confronted me.

without fakegod, guy, and i's vote to re-jumpstart the chevre wagon, the chevre wagon would have never gotten enough steam to go through. we were voting as a bloc from the beginning; i know this. you should know this too.

[Antihero]

if you are not scum you are going to have to try harder to convince me.

and, no.

you misreading me is yours to own. enjoy. (though, i know you won't own it ever. postgame, it'll all be my fault.)

[Antihero]

oh, and if your memory is still a bit foggy, don, do an ISO of BPC.

Official Vote Count

Chevre (5):

Boonskiies, don_johnson, Antihero, Guyett, Misaka Network [L-2]

evilpacman18 (2):

reinoe, Konowa

Boonskiies (2):

Chevre, startfromtheheart

reinoe (2):

Aneninen, chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

reinoe is V/LA until July 7th
evilpacman18 is V/LA until July 8th

^this one is particularly telling. when my vote is the THIRD one on the wagon, saying that i just voted chevre when the lynch "was inevitable" is just flat out wrong.

[Antihero]

AND, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTION

Official Vote Count

evilpacman18 (5):

Guyett, Misaka Network, reinoe, Antihero, Konowa [L-2]

reinoe (2):

Chevre

,

Aneninen

Chevre (2):

Boonskiies

, don_johnson

Antihero (1):

chaoslord54

Not Voting

: BroodKingEXE, evilpacman18, startfromtheheart

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Time Till Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-11 13:16:00)

reinoe is V/LA until July 7th

Prodding BroodKingEXE

bolded

are people off the EPM wagon who either implicitly or explicitly said they'd vote EPM.

[Antihero]

p-edit: I didn't say you voted when it was inevitable. that's part of the point. YOU DIDN"T VOTE. being on a wagon that is at L-2 and then JUMPING OFF is the issue. you are either seriously having trouble grasping this concept or you are being deliberately obtuse. I don't take you for a fool, so I don't know why you are fighting me on this unless you are scum. a townie would own up to the fact that they acted suspiciously. your still trying to defend it rather than accepting it and doing something more proactive.

so, you put the onus on me to "convince you", and then call me scummy when i do?

i've been over this 5 million times before.

i left the wagon to do a reads list before the day ended

, and i've linked it, said it, etc...

ISO BPC and look at the vote counts and you'll see where i jump started the wagon.

yeah, i'll be glad to quit talking to you. thanks for giving me permission.

[Antihero]

yes, i jumped off of chevre onto EPM for emotional reasons.
would i do it again? yes. do i let emotion rule my mafia play? yes, more often than i'd like. will i ever stop letting it? no, not unless i get a lobotomy.

there. i've said my piece. and i'm finished with this discussion because i can talk until i'm blue in the face but you still won't listen because... i don't know. you don't like me.

i get it don. you don't like me.

we've still got a game to do and i'll be damned if i'm taking the fall for doing something that's not scummy.

[Antihero]

i actually think you might be town but youre just gonna cause frustration votes on yourself

really bert?

am i doing something out of line? nothing i've said even comes close to going into personal attack territory.
i asked if anyone besides don had a problem with me and nobody piped up and i even offered to replace out if someone did.

you didn't say anything.

[Antihero]

VOTE: antihero

lynch

[fakegod, bert, anenien, broodking] (and EPM if you run out of suspects) and you will win. both scum are in there. i would actually go out on a limb and say it's bert/anen, but it doesn't really matter.

fakegod: a lot of lipservice without actually mediating between townreads + opportunism galore. we saw this day 1 and we're seeing it now.
bert: extremely low-productivity ISO. that last little string of posting trying to act like a mediator pinged to me too.
anenien: already talked about this Day 1 and nothing has changed.
broodking: the flip-flopping to the anenien wagon is sketch, but if anenien ends up flipping scum, this slot is probtown.

another thing

don is not your town leader. neither is fakegod. quit listening to them.

sheep guyett.

if guy ends up dying and someone claims doc, lynch the doc claim.

@guy: vote me. i'm done with this game. don't question me. just do it. it's what i want. also, tell don to stuff it if he tries to start driving tomorrow. he needs to be in the backseat because he's fallen asleep at the wheel. same applies to fakegod (except he might be scum, so lynch him if bert's town).

also, bert's not town. the sooner you rid yourself of this delusion the better. i'll help you out before today ends if you need it.

[Antihero]

Why can't Don be a townleader

because he's so incredibly wrong, he apparently won't follow a logical line of thought, and the only thing he's gotten right this game is stuff i found first.

i

would

say that scum will leave him alive, but any scumteam dumb enough to kill reinoe would probably kill don too, so psh

we can only hope.

[Antihero]

@guy: vote me. i'm done with this game. don't question me. just do it. it's what i want. also, tell don to stuff it if he tries to start driving tomorrow. he needs to be in the backseat because he's fallen asleep at the wheel. same applies to fakegod (except he might be scum, so lynch him if bert's town).

While I hate people telling people to replace out, I hate people having this kind of attitude even more.

Your lynch if town will

never

help town listen to you.

no, but it will help town start listening to the right people.

i'm not even sure if they should be listening to me because my objectivity's long gone by now. guy's the best source for this.

[Antihero]

what's your read on anen, guy?

[Antihero]

Anti pls stop buddying me. You know I get uncomfortable with it

[Antihero]

But that's your style I guess, so idk I'm the beggar and I can't choose

i apparently have to be this vocal because we've got a creative narrative for how day 1 went going even thought it's plainly out there for everyone to see, and it's maddening.

[Antihero]

something just clicked with me...

...the reinoe kill was a fakegod kill.

[Antihero]

the first thing i thought when i saw the reinoe kill was "LOL n00bs", but, thinking on it, the kill doesn't fit the profile of a newb kill. a newb kill would fall in: [me, guy, don johnson]. or chaoslord since he already soft claimed. someone who's a loudmouth or hinting at a PR.

the reinoe kill is a low-profile, low-information kill that wasn't likely to get doc'd. that's from an experienced player. and fakegod didn't need to kill anyone who was in the way since he was a universal townread at the point (which also implies he's confident he can protect his buddy and manipulate people he's calling town).

[Antihero]

AND with the loudmouths on his side, reinoe wasn't likely to get lynched either. not a newb kill.

...furthermore it's scummy that fakegod would immediately burst into the thread and insist it is.

[Antihero]

#689?

exactly

[Antihero]

miller + tracker is kind of /bleh

but bpc might be one of those mods that want to "teach everyone a lesson"

[Antihero]

anti, someone claimed miller?

can you explain the "tried to frame me" angle? i'm not seeing it.

who tried to frame who?

what are you talking about?

[Antihero]

question 1, wanna guess who is posting?
question 2, if my lapse in memory was such a big thing for you, why didn't you mention it previous post?
question 3, so the whole framing thing wasn't even your's, it was bert's?

you'll have to forgive me a bit, i tend to slack off on keeping the game in memory when i have a hydra partner.
also, Hi Bert!

o.O

...i thought only fakegod was doing the posting.

[Antihero]

/prod dodging until fakegod claims

[Antihero]

good night
VOTE: misaka network

[Antihero]

I'm getting super paranoid of Anti now :/
I don't think I've seen him play as apathetic as he was yesterday which is concerning me.

this is me, burned out

and with no juice

...this is exactly how do you want to die would have gone if i wasn't conftown.

also, don got nked because he was never ever getting lynched, i'm not sure what all this rolecop stuff is all about.

[Antihero]

Please stop suggesting roles and stuff. I'd rather not play wifomic games.

What we do know is that Antihero didn't want us following don while he (Anti) was being run up yesterday.

soooo.... the logic is that i would get lynched, flip scum, and you would then proceed to ........ not listen to me and cement don's status as conftown?


how is this scummy?

[Antihero]

sorry about the inactivity. been a little busy lately.

i will be v/la until tuesday.