The Wire Season 1 Mafia: Baltimore Police and Omar Victory!

[Bookitty]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

The scumputer is GladOS. The cake is a lie.

[Bookitty]

I'm 90 percent sure that Sala is gambiting. I don't believe he would make this kind of mistake and I really don't think that, having done so, he would continue with the wide-eyed "deer caught in the headlights" persona after such a mistake. I don't understand the point of the gambit, though.

I had the opposite reaction from Mastin; I was unhappy when I opened my role PM and it was red, but then I was happy when I figured it out. Pretty tricky

[Bookitty]

I have no idea what you're doing, Peregrine. But, whatever.

Sorry, Sala, that sucks.

VOTE: Salamence

[Bookitty]

People ignoring a glaringly obvious scumslip by ignoring it and calling it gambitting are probably pissed-off buddies.
The fact that the guy ignoring it is voting the guy calling it a gambit is just one of those karma things.

Have you played with Salamence before, Peregrine?

[Bookitty]

Yeah, because acting like a decent human being to a friend who screwed up in a game is totally alignment indicative.

[Bookitty]

I feel like an idiot for defending Sala in the first place and then believing him and actually feeling bad for him in the second place, so whatever. Not moving my vote; I have no scum meta for Sala that I know of, but really tired of being lied to in the name of "Aha! This is scummy because you believed me!"

[Bookitty]

Play the town game I expect you to.

So now you know I'm town?

[Bookitty]

At this point, Sala, I think you're caught scum. I thought you were gambitting at first, I admit. Your AtE sucked me in, though, and I actually felt bad for you. More fool me.

If you actually believed I was scum, you would have zero reason to tell me to play more townie. So clearly you don't actually believe that yourself. The only reason I can think of that you would know I was town is that you are scum. If you have another explanation, I'd love to hear it.

[Bookitty]

Oh shit. I slipped. Fuck I thought the cops were honestly town. Shit. Lol.

You know what they say on the streets: "the thing is, you only gotta fuck up once. Be a little slow, a little late--just once."

Good thing im just a goon.

Gg

BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED SCUM. At that point, it's WAY beyond a gambit. YOU CLAIMED SCUM.

[Bookitty]

I'm still waiting for the fabulous towncred I'm supposed to receive for defending someone who then claimed scum outright.

Going to reread thread quickly.

[Bookitty]

I have no completed games with Salamence in which I played scum. I have only one completed game with Sala, Dangan Ronpa Mafia, in which we were both town. He gambited in the completed game close to LYLO and claimed a town-JOAT. I lynched him there because the claim was not believable. I don't have any meta with Sala-scum.

I have no idea for the basis of that bolded claim and don't particularly agree with it. I don't understand Sala's gambits or his reasoning behind them at all.

[Bookitty]

I have a couple of questions:

Do we even know that there is a traitor in this setup? I haven't seen anything that indicates that, but I could have missed something.

@DGB: Flavour aside, do you think the other two people in your neighborhood are town? Are you basing your assumptions purely on flavour? If you are town as you claim, wouldn't that indicate that flavour cannot be relied upon as an absolute indicator of alignment anyway?

[Bookitty]

@ReallySexyDudes: Apart from the things we can all see in the thread, and apart from flavour speculation, do you have other reasons to think DGB is scum from your private topic?

[Bookitty]

DGB has a silly notion that I'm being intentionally unpleasant to her and I think that's her largest motivation for wanting to exit the game.

So this refers to in-thread discussion and not PT discussion, right? Did you know DGB's flavour role before she announced it in thread yesterday? You knew she was in a neighbourhood with you before that, yes?

@DGB: Did you decide to push for your own lynch due to pressure from yesterday and your flavour role? Which was more of a deciding factor, or were they about equal?

[Bookitty]

Sala is known for strong scumplay and

being a good scumhunter?

In my admittedly limited experience, this has not been true.

[Bookitty]

@DGB:

All right, here's my issue:

According to RSD (my new abbreviation for ReallySexyDudes), he didn't know about your flavour until you announced it yesterday. I don't think a flavour-claim round-robin was imminent, either. You are using your flavour as a reason that you don't want to play and that you should be lynched. If you are a townie, this is really detrimental to town in that it loses us a townie without a compelling reason. You were under fairly mild pressure yesterday and claimed without prompting. Regardless of what you think of RSD and (NeighbourhoodPerson2), these people constitute only two votes. It's difficult for me to believe that you think those two votes are enough to give up and be lynched.

So my issue boils down to: Why did you flavour-claim yesterday? If you don't out yourself as Wallace, why would the issue necessarily arise?

Were the flavour-names alluded to but not explicitly stated in the PM that announced the neighborhood? (I think that's accurate to what has been claimed; if not, please correct that.)

[Bookitty]

It loses us a townie sure, but lynching me CONFIRMS RSD & Gott as clear masons for the rest of the game. There can be no doubt that in a neighborhood with Bodie & Poot that they are town.

This is not true and doesn't make sense. On one hand you are saying, "I'm town DESPITE my flavour," and on the other hand you are using flavour to clear people that aren't cleared. If they WERE town-confirmed masons, you have ensured that all of them are outed, including yourself, making them ideal candidates for scum kills and pushing for your own lynch into the bargain.

Yeah, I think RSD is town. But that doesn't make it a proven fact. If you ARE town, your own flavour should indicate to you that the game isn't flavour-breakable. It seems to me you're playing counter to your win condition regardless of your alignment unless you're a jester.

Do we KNOW that there is a traitor? Because I can't find it if we do.

[Bookitty]

Sorry for my lack of posting. Work issues have been comprehensively kicking my butt. I hope to have time later on today to respond to mastin's mountain of posts describing why everyone and their little dog are scum.

I still don't see any scum motivation for DGB's self-lynch appeal. I don't think she's right about it; I think she's mad at/sick of RSD and she doesn't want to play with them. That's not a good enough reason in my view to consider them conftown and it isn't a good enough reason to exit the game early.

I'll have more later today.

[Bookitty]

Okay, so at some point I apparently kicked Mastin’s puppy or something. I’ve never played with her before to my knowledge, but she came into the game with a definite and single-minded purpose to lynch me. Mastin votes me during the RVS stage based on a joke I made toward DGB and calls it scummish. This sets the tone for the rest of her postings throughout the game.

Mastin has still not provided any explanation for the “still not voting Sala” updates she felt compelled to make throughout Sala’s gambit. Now, I’ll admit to having had only four hours of sleep over two days during the time that was going on. But it felt to me at the time as though Mastin decided to lynch me way before Sala ever claimed scum in thread. I even considered that Sala and Mastin might be scumpartners trying to implicate as many townies as possible.

Other players have indicated that Sala always plays like this as town or scum. I don’t know this personally but I don’t think I have any reason to doubt that. It’s worth noting that Mastin never votes Sala despite comments like “Salamence’s alignment regardless,” citing “reasons” that she never gives even upon Sala’s repeated request. This allows Mastin to avoid any read on or from Sala at all. After all, Mastin is already voting me, so she can just point to anything I do as scummy. I didn’t know for sure if Sala was town or scum. Mastin acted like someone who knew the alignment all along and wasn’t going to be caught voting for town, no sirree. It was also an excellent opportunity for buddying up to someone she knew for sure was going to flip town, especially with the extensive “Oh, Sala is an unsung GENIUS. You people have no IDEA!” crap.

Despite Mastin’s wide and far-ranging list of reads, many of which move up and down through the town and scum ranks without real explanation, she always comes back to putting her own spin and framing my posts in the most negative way she can think of. She claims I’m trying to lynch DGB when I’m not even voting her (I’m not, I have seen DGB behave in a similar manner before when someone has seriously hurt her feelings) and indicates that I will try to vote her, or maybe I won’t, but for sure I am scummy either way.

At this point, I’m sure I’m more sick of Mastin than DGB is sick of RSD. So I’m going to put my vote where I think there is most certainly scum. You can lynch me, or lynch her, but I’m heartily sick of this particular variety of crap. I don't think DGB is scum and I don't think you should lynch her, in any case.

VOTE: Mastin2

[Bookitty]

Sure. I don't understand the nightkill discussion; I don't know why people are assuming that scum no-killed and that there is a vig. I don't find nightkill discussion particularly scummy. That said, I don't know how it helps us find scum.

I don't think Antihero is scum for not posting in the game when I, at least, didn't have any PM telling me the game was open. It showed up in my bookmarks, but not everyone uses those.

I can answer any questions anyone has for me. I'm sort of brain-dead from work stuff, though, and I don't know what people would want to know.

[Bookitty]

For full disclosure, I'm having a hard time focusing on this game (and all my games) due to some unexpected shake-ups at my work that mean some of my friends, including my boss, are being laid off during a major restructuring. This means tons of meetings that started early last week and currently take up a lot of energy and create a lot of stress. I don't want to replace out (especially given the fact that we're already looking for two replacements) but it's fair to say that at least for the next week I'm going to be somewhat less active than my average. I apologise for that, but I could not have foreseen it when I signed up for the game.

I think RSD is town. I don't have any kind of read on TheGottemer, though. If it were guaranteed that one member of the neighbourhood was scum, it would be Gott; however, I don't feel that this is at all guaranteed. All three can be town. I've seen similar emotional responses from DGB (I am SURE I have said this before) and while I admit it's possible she's scum, why would she ask to be lynched as scum? There's no scum motivation for what she's doing. I don't know what the town motivation is, other than her own stated I'm-sick-of-this-shit reason.

I think Slandaar is null; I like some of his early postings, but I don't really see how you can look at DGB's postings and think this is scum-DGB. Maybe it's because I have lots of meta for her, though.

@DGB: I don't really think it matters how I read Mastin; in the end I'm sleeping with fate or sleeping with the fishes anyway. Right now real life is kicking my butt pretty comprehensively. If things improve there, I'll revisit the read minus the OMGUS. Fair enough?

I don't know what's wrong with AD speculating on the NK, but I don't get his logic on it at all. Why assume a vig when there's only one kill? It's not guaranteed that Omar is in the game, is it?

Looking at my own wagon (now and historically), I think Dr. Pants and Messiah Complex are probably town. I don't have much to go on with Jackal711, and BBMolla reads null/scum to me not just because he was third on my wagon. I've said my piece on Mastin2 and I'm not going to repeat all that again.

On DGB's wagon, I think DGB and RSD are town. I don't have much of a read on Antihero, but I was leaning town on him because Mastin2 read him as scum before he even entered the game.

I don't really have a lot to go on for most other players. I thought Muki was scummy, but he's requested replacement. I have zero opinion of BBT and he's also requested replacement. I don't like SKOT voting someone who is being replaced and can't possibly defend himself.

So yeah. If my level of activity is unacceptable to you guys, I will replace out. If it's okay, though, then I'll stay in until I'm lynched, NKed or vigged by hypothetical Omar.

[Bookitty]

Without going back and rereading (something I don't have time or energy to do at the moment) I can explain my reads on RSD and MC in brief:

First, DGB (whom I believe to be town) thinks RSD is town. She's angry with him, but she doesn't point to him as potential scum. RSD's posts seem genuine to me and I understood his reasoning (even when he was voting for me, yes). Based on tone and general reactions to Sala's gambit and to ongoing events in the game, I feel that RSD is probably town.

Messiah Complex had a couple of posts (and I will just paraphrase, since I'm due to go into a meeting in like four minutes) in which he commented about the red-blue issue with role PMs that I found very similar to my own experience. If I remember right, MC claimed D'Angelo during the traitor/scum/flavour discussion. D is at least a controversial character in the flavour; why would scum call attention to themselves like that?

Sorry I don't have more time, but hopefully that helps explain those two reads.

[Bookitty]

I apologise for my lack of posting this weekend; there were some unexpected attempts to cheer me up and take my mind off work things, so I had very little time to myself. I'm going to reread throughout the day and reply to things.

[Bookitty]

I am very sorry to do this, but I need to request replacement. I haven't been able to give this game (or any game I am in) the attention it deserves because of some ongoing issues with my working environment.

@MOD

: I am requesting replacement. I am very sorry for the inconvenience.