Mini 1590: Brian's Flavorless Mini (Game Over)

[chaoslord54]

I've been in a game with SKOT before in the past where he was town. He always uses random.org and posts it up in that manner. His actions are not scummy

[chaoslord54]

Vote:BJC

Don't really like your aggressive and pushy attitude to try and get SKOT or Espresso lynched. Even if you favor speed lynches, to try and get people lynched off of very little evidence screams scum to me

[chaoslord54]

Don't really like how BJC is just posting short posts that mostly antagonize people and don't really seem to help with pushing further on trying to figure out who's scum. Also, he keeps jumping from post to post on who he's voting and already acts like he's figured out the whole game.

Keeping my vote on him for now until better evidence is revealed to make me think otherwise

[chaoslord54]

Vote:BJC

Don't really like your aggressive and pushy attitude to try and get SKOT or Espresso lynched. Even if you favor speed lynches, to try and get people lynched off of very little evidence screams scum to me

You can say that, but from my experience this is indicative of bjc-town, so I'm not going to support this wagon.[/quote]

Do you have a link to a past game proving this? If you do then I can be willing to back off on my attack on him for now

[chaoslord54]

Okay that's good enough evidence for me for now to back off

Unvote BJC

[chaoslord54]

To go from this

Don't really like how BJC is just posting short posts that mostly antagonize people and don't really seem to help with pushing further on trying to figure out who's scum. Also, he keeps jumping from post to post on who he's voting and already acts like he's figured out the whole game.

Keeping my vote on him for now until better evidence is revealed to make me think otherwise

to this

Okay that's good enough evidence for me for now to back off

Unvote BJC

So quickly seems very wishy washy to me, and the fact that you changed your vote over something as weak as the outcome of a prior game is looking to me like scum trying to start a wagon, finding no support and then trying to find a convenient way to back off.

Vote: Chaoslord

Its not a weak argument for me because if you notice clearly I asked for evidence that his manner of playing was shown before to be towny or not. He showed that evidence so I'm backing off of it for now so I can focus on trying to find people who are coming off more scummy. I'm not fully abandoning my thoughts, it just seems pointless to run him up if there's better evidence against others for now.

[chaoslord54]

This isn't me acting as scum, this is me just trying to be efficient

[chaoslord54]

Vote:BJC

Don't really like your aggressive and pushy attitude to try and get SKOT or Espresso lynched. Even if you favor speed lynches, to try and get people lynched off of very little evidence screams scum to me

It seems weird that you were so accusatory in your original post, especially since your justification was based on attitude, before you had actually meta'd the player. Why accuse someone of doing something and then a significant while later ask if that is usual behaviour for that person? Usually you look for evidence before coming to a conclusion, but you seem to have posted an argument and then "asked for evidence" to see if it was justified afterwards.

That was a flaw on my part since I'm still a little new to this. I felt strong at first on my thoughts against BJC but then doubted my certainty especially as better evidence was starting to be presented against EspressoJet so that's why I then tried to see if anyone had evidence that could support or help me to willing to back off just because I started to feel less certain.

[chaoslord54]

Vote Anetolle

His reactions posts are horrible plus him then trying to throw Professor under the bus seems desperate.

FOS:ESEPRESSOJET

His sudden defense of Anetolle with99 seems out of the blue and suspicious.

[chaoslord54]

That was a flaw on my part since I'm still a little new to this. I felt strong at first on my thoughts against BJC but then doubted my certainty especially as better evidence was starting to be presented against EspressoJet so that's why I then tried to see if anyone had evidence that could support or help me to willing to back off just because I started to feel less certain.

1.) I agree EspressoJet is giving off a strong scum vibe, as many people have mentioned above the way he was so emotional and over defensive when justifying his actions seems like newb scum to me. However there are multiple scum to be found so I don't see how Espresso acting scummy should have any bearing on whether you think Bjc is scum or not. As a town we are trying to pin down multiple scum players, so your "either-or" mentality between Bjc and Espresso looks like scum trying to find somebody to lynch.

2.) "I then tried to see if anyone had evidence that could support or help me to willing to back off just because I started to feel less certain." - This just reads scum to me. You are essentially saying you wanted to back off and so

then

appealed for evidence that would allow you to do that - trying to match the evidence to your actions rather than making actions based off the evidence.

You're reading way too much into my wording like BJC mentioned.

I am trying to say that I felt really suspicious of BJC, but his evidence made me less suspicious. So I abandoned it because I am trying to help track down and get rid of scum. If I continue to push for a wagon that may end up leading to a mislynch, how will that help anything? So I abandoned it because I again am trying to be more efficient. Basically, I do not feel like I have enough evidence to try and prove BJC is scum in day 1 seeming that his actions reflect a townish personality so I was going to back off, focus on someone more efficient on D-1 and then on D-2 or so try to re-evaluate and see if there's more proof or less proof towards the idea of BJC being scum or town.

[chaoslord54]

Yea I have to say Hiraku's post and the obvious desperation of Espresso wins me over.

Vote:EspressoJet

[chaoslord54]

Wow did not even have a chance to come in on day 2 but awesome job guys!

I want to see a replacement for Clusk first, honestly. Half the player list hasn't stopped in yet.

I would like this too before we chose to lynch him. Cuz if we have a new player in here he may help us have a better read on his role.

[chaoslord54]

VOTE: chaoslord

Lol why do you just change votes without explaining your reasoning?

[chaoslord54]

Yeah it's one of Anatole and chaoslord.

what's your reasoning on your stance?

[chaoslord54]

Wow did not even have a chance to come in on day 2 but awesome job guys!

I want to see a replacement for Clusk first, honestly. Half the player list hasn't stopped in yet.

I would like this too before we chose to lynch him. Cuz if we have a new player in here he may help us have a better read on his role.

This is so fake-y. He's stating the obvious trying to look like he's agreeing with me and adding to the conversation. It's like, "NO, DUH!"

It's not to completely state the obvious. It's because at the moment I do not have much else to add in especially because I feel like Clusk is a good lynch. But I would like to have him claim tho before I put in my vote so I was trying to express that I think you have a good point. If I had more to add into the conversation at the moment I would but with us taking out two scum in both days I don't really know at the moment who else besides Clusk could be scum.

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys what about SKOT? He's been super inactive here and through a simple look at his profile shows that he's been commenting all over the site just not on this thread which means he's lurking like mad

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys what about SKOT? He's been super inactive here and through a simple look at his profile shows that he's been commenting all over the site just not on this thread which means he's lurking like mad

no I actually forgot about the game day one and was active day 2. I was busy yesterday. But I think you are town, so there is that.

Oh yea I just noticed that. Sorry since day 2 went by so quick I didn't look too carefully through who was active on that day or not.

[chaoslord54]

Seeing the evidence mentioned about SKOT is making me feel a little paranoid...

Vote: SKOT