Micro 366: Vengeball (Game Over)

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hi

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I'm not wagoning boonskiies

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I'm going to hold my vote until closer to deadline.

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I'm going to hold my vote until closer to deadline.

Why waste it now?

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Sometimes inaction is more powerful than action.

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So what do you guys think of EspressoJet saying "Good luck finding blue team"? Why do you think he picked blue team instead of red?

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So what do you guys think of EspressoJet saying "Good luck finding blue team"? Why do you think he picked blue team instead of red?

This post reads as a bit scummy to me. I didn't put any thought into which color I wrote, and it didn't even occur to me that it would matter. This feels like a stretch to out me as a Mafia, but at the same time distance yourself from the accusation by hiding it behind an open minded question.

There's a reason I phrased that as a question instead of an accusation.

On the other hand, you're not accusing me of being scum trying to mislynch you, which should be the obvious first thought of a townie. Instead you're accusing me of being scum trying to 'out you as mafia'. I think you're genuinely worried that this is the case, that I am on the opposing team and jumped onto your 'good luck catching blue team' as some sort of other-team tell.

VOTE: Espresso

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"Accuse me of being scum" "out me as mafia" are we really going to argue semantics here? It's easy to see my point that I'm making, and there's no reason to twist my words around.

Well yes, because those two sentences say different things and indicate a different POV.

Rubicon, address you being at L-2 please.

Molla's jump on the wagon was shit.

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Is it though? I mean, if you weren't at L-2, I was tempted to vote. So I don't know if it "was shit".

Yup. If you had, it wouldn't have been shit because there's a clear thought process about me running through 29 -> 38 -> 40 -> 46. Molla opened the thread, saw some people suggesting I was scum and hopped on. Moreover I would expect him to know what I was doing -- moving us out of RVS. So yes, shit.

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Poorly executed, not shit. Sort of opportunistic but made sense with the flow of conversation at the time. He should have voted when he proclaimed Rubicon as scum.

He shouldn't be voting based on the flow of other people's conversation. He should be voting based on his own thought process.

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Yet you both somehow have managed to have votes and positions that follow from a clear thought process.

I'm not ruling out town!Molla. But that vote was shit.

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I'm the only one who's called espresso scum, pretty sure.

Interested to see where you're going with it.

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Rubi - in 28 you pick up on an assumed 'tell', but then get quite defensive of that in 51. Your focus then seems to shift almost seamlessly to Molla in 60 and 64 - why the rapid shift? Why not place more pressure on George Clooney (Nespresso)? I might be over reading here, but both your posts appear to be throwing mud, without actually pressuring them. Generating dirt on players that can be used later is... interesting.

boon asked me what I thought about my wagon, and then people wanted to talk about molla.

51 is the opposite of defensive so I dunno what to think about you calling it that. if you disagree with it, you should talk about why you disagree.

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I have a theory. Blue scum is 50% more likely to pick on that slip since they will believe it is more real (you got what I mean?)

which is really interesting. Since if you were werewolf in another game and you saw something hunting for WW and not mafia and it seemed like a slip the WW will be more likely to notice it.

that's one of the reasons why I pointed it out. multiball reaction test.

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Espresso's reaction included a possible scumslip in the phrasing 'out me as mafia'. Molla's jump on was shit. Boonskiies is town. You might be town.

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Mr_Ree is probably scum too.

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I'm very confused by the Clooney thing.

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I'm willing to lynch anyone for a 50% chance of hitting scum. Odds can't get better. Aye?

It gets better, me Boon and ZZZX are town. I'm not sure how scum ever wins this setup.

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boon asked me what I thought about my wagon, and then people wanted to talk about molla.

51 is the opposite of defensive so I dunno what to think about you calling it that. if you disagree with it, you should talk about why you disagree.

Perhaps defensive is the wrong word; you appear to get into a justification argument for why you think that. Those types of arguments ring bells for me.

I might be overthinking it.

No, I said (or at least implied) that I phrased my original question as a question because it wasn't scummy of him to say "blue team". Then he did something else that is scummy.

Why do you keep saying you 'might be overthinking it'?

Espresso's reaction included a possible scumslip in the phrasing 'out me as mafia'. Molla's jump on was shit. Boonskiies is town. You might be town.

You think its possible that Molla is defending George Clooney? Scum-partnering? I'd like to hear more thoughts on this please.[/quote]
molla is in the category of players whose interactions I don't try to analyze.

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the one time I decide not to click preview before submitting, I manage to fuck up the quote tags :\

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In order: (1) To start conversation, get reactions, and move us out of RVS. (2) I may take you up on that. (3) I don't feel comfortable predicting how Molla would interact with his partner. I'd rather just say his jump on was shitty and look for his partners later if he flips scum.

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I have a theory. Blue scum is 50% more likely to pick on that slip since they will believe it is more real (you got what I mean?)

which is really interesting. Since if you were werewolf in another game and you saw something hunting for WW and not mafia and it seemed like a slip the WW will be more likely to notice it.

that's one of the reasons why I pointed it out. multiball reaction test.

explain your reaction test. It looks to me like you were the one who fell for it.

Mr Ree's right, wouldn't the optimal strategy for a reaction test be to wait and see how everybody else reacts instead of reacting to it yourself?

Seems to me like you're just using this as an excuse. What were the other reasons you pointed it out?

start conversation, etc.

If we're hammering me then first we should vote on who I should shoot.

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Uh, voting on my target is a second lynch vote and generates twice as much information for me to work with. Probably doubles my odds of hitting scum. And it gives you more to work with tomorrow. (I don't know why you think town-me would make up my mind this early. I'm not a tunneler, and I take being a vig seriously.)

And of course you should be considering the fact I'm town. You're voting to lynch me, you shouldn't be sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalala I won't think about what happens when I'm wrong".

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Yeahhhhh, he'd probably vengeful me if he flips town.... I almost want to risk it, but I'm finally in a game with two of my buddies, so I don't want to die day 1...

...GRRRRRRRR....

Ok, if nothing new is in development by tomorrow (read: tomorrow aka whenever I feel like browsing after midnight in ~3 hours my time) I will vote him. I'm pretty sure he's scum, but we should continue scumhunting.

We should continue. No need to rush into anything. Plenty of time left to hear from everyone.

cough

honey bear

Who do you two want me to shoot?

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Same thing.

Why are you resisting this?

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Uh, it's me with a gun doing my best to shoot scum. I take that seriously.

Who do you want me to shoot?

Simple question. Easy to answer.

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Cool.

Can you unvote while I hear who other people want me to shoot? You can be the hammer vote.

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How did you reach the conclusion Ree is red? :\

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There are 13 days left in this day.

I want to hear from everyone about who I shoot. We have time for that.

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No, scum is going to hammer and cut short the day, making it more likely I'll hit town.

Like are you fucking serious right now? There are people who haven't even posted yet and you want to end day.

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This is blacklist material. Not even joking. You're game throwing.

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Vengeful: Boonskiies

Not sure if this was intended to be a vote, but it is not being counted as one. Please vote in the correct format.

It's an informal vote for my target if I'm lynched. You can keep track of them if you want.

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He gave the reasoning as to why you were more likely to see espresso's potential 'slip'. colors could be reversed, but it would make more sense from the original espresso post.

It was actually ZZZX who said scum would be more likely to see a color slip, not Mr_Ree, by the way.

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lol.