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A mass role claim makes the game about the role claims, and not individual play. I just got out of a game where i almost lost due to assumptions about roles warping the game. Not interested in doing that again.
↑MadCitrus wrote:The second part of my post? Not commenting beyond what I've said right now. Maybe I'm a Survivor and want to test the water before claiming or something
↑Zoidberg wrote:I don't see any reason why MadCitrus needs to be speculating about Survivors and SKs. If anyone claims Survivor I'm going to powerlynch them.
Thats the point. The only people worried about third parties specifically are either scum or third party, and both is nontown soooo
↑MadCitrus wrote:The second part of my post? Not commenting beyond what I've said right now. Maybe I'm a Survivor and want to test the water before claiming or something
I think that Zoid being town is a distinct possibility.
now ZZZX- Noise, Playstyle discussion, and nothing real coming from him.
(also holy shit intentionally being unreadable for the sake of future games- i really don't like that, but thats not relevant.)
anyway, I don't get a sense of a player trying, i get the sense he's sitting on the periphery.
Sigh. If anyone can be so unlazy to meta me and see that this is my usual town game.
Meta does not matter. What you do is being unhelpful to the town for the sake of your future scum games, or so you claim. either become useful or hang.
↑ika wrote:hiplop - null he hasnt done much, im going to see if hes playing to GS game
ika - VT
Klazam -town due to reaction
Konowa - seems odd, guts say scum but i need to look further
leviathan93- town based off role read i have on him
MadCitrus - town by meta
Maestro - town, doent have the scum mindset that i look for
Natirasha - My darling, shes town
Save The Dragons - guts say town, theres something that he said that makes me think there is more then hes leading onto
SleepyKrew - hes a null i got burned from him in another game so im weary
Wolfy - gut town
Zoidberg - VT, dont think hes really a VT though, i think hes hiding something
ZZZX- theres someing about isoing him that pings me odd. consider it more gut atm but im leaning scum
p-edit: its fine im a gambler when it comes to my games. i think zoid is just confrimation biased
Been racking my mind for a beneficial possible third party he could be- and considering he basically soft claimed third party- and coming up with nothing. you can speak now.
Also on my shitlist: zzzx for noncommiting and ika for the unprovoked claim
↑Klazam wrote:ZZZX- Noise, Playstyle discussion, and nothing real coming from him.
(also holy shit intentionally being unreadable for the sake of future games- i really don't like that, but thats not relevant.)
anyway, I don't get a sense of a player trying, i get the sense he's sitting on the periphery.
VOTE: ZZZX
You havent done anything to change my mind in you so the above still stands.
ika nullified my primary reason for going after madcitrus- the third party stuff. Ika claims that the homesite they play on has a heavy emphasis on third party play, which sort of explains madcitrus' behavior. Its not as much meta on madcitrus, its more of sitemeta thing. Also if he thinks he can read madcitus that well, hey why not give him chance?
I think i can read maestro, because i know him. This is the same to me as what ika's claiming on madcitrus.
No, not the only reason, but a major part of it. His posting has been pretty shitty, but in this zzzx is worse, hence why madcitrus fell below zzzx in my priorities.
Sleepykrew- nothing of madcitrus' posts has changed my mind, it was ika's post that made me re prioritize zzzx
In other news, certian lurksacs need to be postin'
↑Save The Dragons wrote:ika: Anything in this game that he's done that's convinced you he's town or is it all based on meta?
↑Klazam wrote:Ika, point out what exactly makes citrus town. I mean, explain to me how his play is his town meta.
Sigh, this is what i dont want to be doing...
Cirtus is skilled in the sense that he sets up small traps as i have already said. he is quick to catch the smallest of hints in any crumbs or anything. His early "3rd part claim" is really kinda par b/c hes looking for newb scum as well as using out hoemstie meta (on homesite we have a huge thing for 3rd party type roles).
He did an IIoA (which i still dont get), but its how he decides whos town and whos not. if you are just going to go "hurr durr scum" to him, what is he to do? hes has stated full well that everyone has their own way of scum hunting and hes doing his.
im not going to make an entire novel on him on how is play is town or how his meta is town or shit. i just know his scum plays and his town plays and right now hes doing his town play.
scum!cirtus would be more cautous around me b/c i am quick to pick up his quriks when he is. the fact hes being more carelss is a town-tell to me.
i really hate defending people in general too due to the fact i have been decived before. if i think someone is town i will say they are town but never fully defend them unless if i have mod-confrimed evidence that they are town
Relevant part bolded that makes me believe that ika is saying he knows MC.
And remember, my priority shift isnt because of ika's knowing of mc, its because of the tird party thing being nullified.
What do you mean "have it both ways"? Mad citrus was a 8 on my mental town to scum scale, zzzx was a 7. I find out that third party shit was normal play on his homesite, so that makes mc a 6 to me so I go to zzzx, yes?
I think you/std and me must be reading ika's post differently because the impression I got was of a person who knew mc...
The third party thing was the more important thing to me, ika's knowing/meta of mc was secondary.
Can we please redirect our focus back on scum? I'm done with this discussion, and zzzx is still on the periphery without taking stances other than chasing a lurker.
site meta i totally think is a thing. player meta i don't. why? because one person can change playermeta and not sitemeta.
Also, i said it was primarily A)site meta, and since ika B)knows him, and says he is town. i dont see why these are mutually exclusive
- the third party stuff. Ika claims that the homesite they play on has a heavy emphasis on third party play, which sort of explains madcitrus' behavior. Its not as much meta on madcitrus, its more of sitemeta thing. Also if he thinks he can read madcitus that well, hey why not give him chance?
↑MadCitrus wrote:He is the nullest of the null though. On a spectrum of all the players in this game from null to not-null, I'd slot him as furthest to null, give or take a bit
Huh. I dont think its good anymore. Isoreads strip certain things of context. I thought i was seeing the flip on town/scum that hip was talking about but when i just read citrus, i don't see it anymore.. Ok... Hm. Does his earlier posting outweigh that vote? Ill think about that for now. I go to dinner then working rest of night.
Re: konowa- im talking about his earlierposts- feels p town- putting pressure where it was warranted and such. I don't know.
Aye. I was mistaken, so of course i reevaluate my reads.
Std- fair point about helpful posting, i gotta think on it. Im not sure im ready to let go of madcitrus though. His appeals to emotion and tone of his last few posts makes me want to unvote, but... Hmph
Although zzzx just feels different from what you listed... I guess i cant really quantify it other than what i already said- that i just feel as though hes on the periphery of this game.m
Better a power role claim, use power in the night, and die than get lynched, just saying.
Imam not admantly aganist hiplop lynch, but i feel hinky about the fact that basically everyone is fine with both citrus/hip lynches. Vote analysis after flip prolly be good later in d2
STD i think is town? him pushing over the mad citrus lynch wagon on to Hiplop doesn't make sense since both targets were town, and his thoughts/play being close to sleepykrew, who is town makes me feel good about him.
im leaning more towards Wolfyscum because of tone.
PEdit- I didn't have a read on maestro because he didn't even play this game. I was commenting on how there was a difference between knowing somebody and meta in that post.
also, we share same thoughts- 1 is sure, but 2 is kind of possible. i mean if i had that many town 1shot vigs i'd think hard about adding another scum. This incidentally is the reason why i advent voted. I'm afraid we're in lylo already.
The role name and the fact that theres no other claimed pre is bugging me about leviathan too. i just find the vig/doc role odd to call a paranoid doctor.
Although, why would scum want to claim the Skrew kill is odd too
Paranoid Doctor: This doctor not only protects his patient but he also roleblocks him. See also: Jailkeeper.
Was your kill compulsory?
it was not compulsory. I switch off with getting a kill and protecting someone. I have never seen this role before and i just assumed it was what the twist was and that other people had similar powers. Judging by the fact that everyone else seems to be just vanilla leaves this very weird for me.