↑ ZZZX wrote:↑ Save The Dragons wrote:inb4 the twist is there is no twist.
Original Roll String: 1d13(STATIC) 1 13-Sided Dice: (1) = 1
You got info we dont eh?
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We'll see. I don't really know how the automatic counter works, I'll vote STDs after I get to see the first votecount.
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↑ Save The Dragons wrote:inb4 the twist is there is no twist.
Original Roll String: 1d13(STATIC) 1 13-Sided Dice: (1) = 1
Because this is bullshit
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:Oh hi I'm not here right now
I am but a ghost
And this shall be my post
Oh I can haiku that!
Oh hi, I'm not here
Right now: I am but a ghost
This has been my post
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:↑ Zoidberg wrote:↑ SleepyKrew wrote:Oh hi I'm not here right now
I am but a ghost
And this shall be my post
Oh I can haiku that!
Oh hi, I'm not here
Right now: I am but a ghost
This has been my post
I'm V/LA and there's nothing to say so why don't you carry on and play on this most gorgeous Day, okay?
Chill out. I thought you were subject to a post restriction that was going to make this game really annoying.
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:
VOTE: Zoidberg
Voting with a dice tag in RVS is not scummy. Your reaction to me bringing this up is.
Oh please. I'm so Town, I shit suburbs.
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So I hate RVS and thought I would instigate things to get the game rolling. I wanted to wagon Natirasha mostly for info, not because I find her particularly scummy, but mostly for info. I don't mind if that makes me look hella scummy and accrue a lot of votes if we get some decent info out of it. Notice how my wagon stalled? It's because there are scum on it. Probably 2, but at least one, guaranteed. They can't push the mislynch too hard or fast for fear of sticking their necks out.
Therefore there is guaranteed scum in the set { SleepyKrew, Konowa, Wolfy, MadCitrus, Maestro }.
In particular I get bad vibes from the way MadCitrus limped onto my wagon. Check out his iso, too. It's trash. He votes me for practically non-existent reasons (voting the mod in a potentially-bastard game is a scumtell now? ) and then proceeds to do absolutely no scumhunting whatsoever.
He's replacing scumhunting with a bunch of useless obfuscation and theory about utility. That's not town.
Upon a re-read, this post stuck out to me too:
Not because I think he's a scumbuddy (because right now I'm reading Konowa p town) but because it looks like buddying up to Konowa and hoping we won't notice that MadCitrus is just piggybacking on Konowa's reads.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MadCitrus
Therefore there is guaranteed scum in the set { SleepyKrew, Konowa, Wolfy, MadCitrus, Maestro }.
In particular I get bad vibes from the way MadCitrus limped onto my wagon. Check out his iso, too. It's trash. He votes me for practically non-existent reasons (voting the mod in a potentially-bastard game is a scumtell now? ) and then proceeds to do absolutely no scumhunting whatsoever.
He's replacing scumhunting with a bunch of useless obfuscation and theory about utility. That's not town.
Upon a re-read, this post stuck out to me too:
Not because I think he's a scumbuddy (because right now I'm reading Konowa p town) but because it looks like buddying up to Konowa and hoping we won't notice that MadCitrus is just piggybacking on Konowa's reads.
UNVOTE:
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For reasons I outlined in that post. The wagon stalled, and I'm speculating that it's because there are already scum on it. If scum weren't on it they could pile on now, citing the multitude of arguments against me and then go for the mislynch. But that's not happening, the game became stagnant and I think it's because a good proportion of scum are already on my wagon, hoping it'll snowball into something bigger than it is.
Does that clarify?
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If you mean that it's subject to interpretation, then sure. But then again, nearly every part of this game is subject to interpretation.
"WIFOM" is this site's favourite way to avoid addressing an argument.
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↑ Konowa wrote:There are a myriad of reasons why you wagon "stalled", Zoidberg. Sure, scum being on it is one. So is that it is an all town wagon and scum are cheering on from the sideline hoping that town will pile on. So is the possibility that scum see you as VI and are just avoiding the situation all together. That is what Maestro was talking about. You are focusing on just one of the scenarios and why your point of view is coming across very much as OMGUS.
So which of the 3 scenarios you listed do you feel is most likely?
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These:
... are good town posts.
But these from Klazam are not scummy. I have and do do this as town all the time.
... are good town posts.
But these from Klazam are not scummy. I have and do do this as town all the time.
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This is the weakest argument ever. Implying that randomvoting a player carries more of a commitment than voting the mod? Laughable.
Do some real scumhunting. Bus your partners.
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Daily reminder that madcitrus' vote is based entirely on
-me being "overly" defensive
-mod-voting is a scumtell on a different site that he plays
and that he has done literally zero scumhunting.
More madcitrus votes please.
-me being "overly" defensive
-mod-voting is a scumtell on a different site that he plays
and that he has done literally zero scumhunting.
More madcitrus votes please.
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↑ leviathan93 wrote:↑ Zoidberg wrote:↑ leviathan93 wrote:you know. would people believe me if I said zoidberg was town?
Who's scum?
I lied. =P you are.
VOTE: zoidberg
Why? Give justification.
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Oh I see that's L-1
I claim VT, though it would be pretty reckless for someone to hammer after only 8 pages.
After I flip town please investigate MadCitrus, hiplop, wolfy. These players should not be allowed to coast through without producing any content other than unsupported statements.
I claim VT, though it would be pretty reckless for someone to hammer after only 8 pages.
After I flip town please investigate MadCitrus, hiplop, wolfy. These players should not be allowed to coast through without producing any content other than unsupported statements.
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Likely final reads for town's use later:
-ZZZX probably just a VI
-Hard to tell this early, but Klazam is prob town
-Maestro is another player who as produced essentially zero content. His only vote so far was sheeping and then seems to leave it there. Could be his animosity towards me being used as an excuse.
-ika too. The massclaim bullshit is a red herring. I have designed a setup/modded games in the past and I can tell you that custom setups go through an extensive review process and one criterion for a non-broken game is that it should not be vulnerable to massclaiming. I suspect ika will not come back to justify those votes but he should be pressed for answers. A lot of the players he's got in green have done dick-all this game so there should be no reason to be townreading them.
-ZZZX probably just a VI
-Hard to tell this early, but Klazam is prob town
-Maestro is another player who as produced essentially zero content. His only vote so far was sheeping and then seems to leave it there. Could be his animosity towards me being used as an excuse.
-ika too. The massclaim bullshit is a red herring. I have designed a setup/modded games in the past and I can tell you that custom setups go through an extensive review process and one criterion for a non-broken game is that it should not be vulnerable to massclaiming. I suspect ika will not come back to justify those votes but he should be pressed for answers. A lot of the players he's got in green have done dick-all this game so there should be no reason to be townreading them.
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Seems like a village idiot, but he's only got 3 posts so I really don't have anything to go on. I have historically had a lot of trouble with VI-type players so I'm going to be extra wary. I would not oppose a policy lynch at all.
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↑ Save The Dragons wrote:At the risk of this conversation getting pedantic,
What separated leviathan, or Maestro for that matter, from wolfy or hiplop, when you made that list?
Haste, mostly. I was trying to get them out ASAP in case someone decided to yolohammer.
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↑ ika wrote:hiplop - null he hasnt done much, im going to see if hes playing to GS game
ika - VT
Klazam -town due to reaction
Konowa - seems odd, guts say scum but i need to look further
leviathan93- town based off role read i have on him
MadCitrus - town by meta
Maestro - town, doent have the scum mindset that i look for
Natirasha - My darling, shes town
Save The Dragons - guts say town, theres something that he said that makes me think there is more then hes leading onto
SleepyKrew - hes a null i got burned from him in another game so im weary
Wolfy - gut town
Zoidberg - VT, dont think hes really a VT though, i think hes hiding something
ZZZX- theres someing about isoing him that pings me odd. consider it more gut atm but im leaning scum
p-edit: its fine im a gambler when it comes to my games. i think zoid is just confrimation biased
That is the worst list of "justifications" possible. Get lynched, scum.
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:Maybe your lynch hasn't gone through yet because no one is stupid enough to actually go through with a lynch this early.
I'll look at Citrus later.
↑ SleepyKrew wrote:Oh I've been putting off scolding people about stuff in this game. Hopefully I can scold tonight.
↑ SleepyKrew wrote:So I probably won't get around to scolding y'all until tomorrow night. I'll reexamine Zoidberg's claim and reads but nothing made me want to change my mind at first glance.
ika, how come you mentioned Graveyard Shift for me but not hiplop?
Are you going to actually contribute to the game like you keep telling us you will? Or were you just hoping to coast along on a string of hollow promises to deliver actual content?
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I asked you about those 4 because most people are/were calling me scum and the first 3 have done nothing to be considered town. I didn't mind the ZZZX vote because it agreed with my read of ZZZX.ika wrote:This is an odd thing, he notices my reads but ignores vote. He focus on 4 central people though. His last question gives me a sour tase due to the fact many times when scums get town read they go "why am i town" if he is to flip scum i could see one of his allies in those 4
did i miss anyone else? otherwise im goign to activly stare at the thread and wait
This needs to be answered:
Save The Dragons wrote:Ika: do you find ZZZX to be the most scummy? Was your vote random as well?
If maestro doesn't start producing content I'll join that wagon. This whole game is just full of lurkerscum, ugh.
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↑ Wolfy wrote:MadCitrus wrote:Still no posting things that look like scum hunting, since Citrus thinks he's experienced enough to be able to fake blatant scum hunting in posts if he wanted to*
You had a typo so I fixed it
or to fake not faking scum hunting!
Are you thinking what I'm thinking that I think that you're thinking I'm thinking because if you think that I think what I think I'm thinking then we've got a problem?
VOTE: MadCitrus
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Did a quick skim of some Wolfy games. Haven't found a scum game of his yet, but I do see a bunch of town games and he's much more talkative, inquisitive, and produces much better content than here. In one of his town games he says he prefers to play town. Might explain his lack of enthusiasm for this game.
Madcitrus/Wolfy scumteam. You heard it here first.
Town games, not all of which I've fully read:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=46663
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=51203
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=48071
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50635
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=51559
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=58253
Here's a game where he's 3rd party.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=57625
Wolfy: have you ever rolled scum before? Which game?
Madcitrus/Wolfy scumteam. You heard it here first.
Town games, not all of which I've fully read:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=46663
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=51203
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=48071
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=50635
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=51559
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=58253
Here's a game where he's 3rd party.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=57625
Wolfy: have you ever rolled scum before? Which game?
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Madcitrus is
-not scumhunting
-taunting us about how s/he's not scumhunting
-softclaimed 3rd party
Explain how wagoning such a player is bad. Now.
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I'm still reading your games. I'm also in a Large Theme that is on 80+ pages of just day 1 so it's monopolizing most of my time.
Why do you think madcitrus is scum?
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wolfy
(I get back home tonight)
(so then I can lurk from the comfort of my own bedroom)
Still waiting for that scolding.
Why aren't you voting MadCitrus?
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Wait... THAT's how you think you can confirm yourself town? Telling us you don't have a QT?
Sure bud, I totally believe you. I don't have a QT either. Guess that makes me confirmed town.
Of course, you'll have to just take it on faith that I don't have a QT. Why would I lie? Nobody lies in Mafia, that's just dishonest.
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↑ MadCitrus wrote:In a vacuum:
Ika - town
ZZZX - lean town
Klazam - lean town
Konowa - lean town
Hiplop - lean town
Zoid - lean town
Krew - slight town
Maestro - null
Levi - slight scum
Wolfy - slight scum
Nati - lean scum
Dragons - lean scum
That said, Dragons got a lot of votes in a short amount of time. Same with Zoid.
VOTE: Wolfy
Interestingly enough, he's one of the few players that didn't vote Dragons at any point.
Dragon voters (RVS or other): {ZZZX, Klazam, Maestro, Konowa, Zoid}
Non-Dragon voters: {Krew, Wolfy, Nati, Levi, Hiplop}
I'm missing someone ugh
Potential scumteam 1: Wolfy, Dragon, Nati/Levi (outside shot of Krew)
Potential scumteam 2: Maestro, Klazam, Zoid
Potential scumteam 3: Maestro, Konowa, ???
Quite a few players have been practically useless this game, no wonder I didn't remember them at all...
Why are your townreads on your potential scumteams?
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So, to recap:
MadCitrus' sole attempt at scumhunting this game was mostly just IIoA. His attempt to confirm himself as town after softclaiming 3rd party literally is just him asking us to believe him when he says he has no QT.
MadCitrus' sole attempt at scumhunting this game was mostly just IIoA. His attempt to confirm himself as town after softclaiming 3rd party literally is just him asking us to believe him when he says he has no QT.
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This is stupid. MadCitrus hasn't done jack shit all game except one big textwall of IIoA and then throwing some appeals to emotion because I was mean to him.
Somehow the wagon is dissipating in favour of a wagon on ZZZX the VI and people are voting Klazam for reasons passing understanding.
I'm done playing until you guys get your shit together. I'm just going to prod-dodge until we hit the deadline. You townies are handing scum the game. They don't need to push a wagon. Per the rules they just need to get the wagon up high enough and then stall the game until the deadline based on the lynch mechanics.
gg scum
Somehow the wagon is dissipating in favour of a wagon on ZZZX the VI and people are voting Klazam for reasons passing understanding.
I'm done playing until you guys get your shit together. I'm just going to prod-dodge until we hit the deadline. You townies are handing scum the game. They don't need to push a wagon. Per the rules they just need to get the wagon up high enough and then stall the game until the deadline based on the lynch mechanics.
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↑ Save The Dragons wrote:
If you're town play to your wincon please or replace out, I'm not going to put up with this shit.
pedit: it does, actually.
Voting madcitrus IS playing to my wincon.
He's scum. I've done all I could to make you sheep see that but instead you're falling for the oldest trick in the book. Crocodile tears.
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↑ MadCitrus wrote:I am mad because Zoidberg continually points out that I have not done a single bit of scumhunting all game. After softclaiming 3rd party and trying to confirm myself as town by asking people to take it on faith that I don't have a QT, I proceeded to try to get the heat off me by simply summarizing the game and passing that off as analysis.
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Klazam is pretty town in my eyes. He's the only one who's been consistently scumhunting.
MadCitrus entered the game, plopped a vote down on me in his 2nd or 3rd post for completely spurious reasons, and then just parked it there without pushing my wagon and instead farting around with 3rd party softclaims. What is the town motivation behind that? There's none. He only sulked off the wagon when it became painfully obvious I am town and now he's upset because I'm calling for his lynch, using his completely anti-town play as evidence.
If he was trying, putting in genuine effort, I'd give him a pass. But he's not. Summarizing the events of the thread with vague 5-word phrases is not scumhunting. Offering conclusions that are just parroting what's already been said by other players is not scumhunting.
I'm not going to be dissuaded from my vote. I'm going to tunnel on him for the rest of the day until he or I gets lynched and/or I get nightkilled.
MadCitrus entered the game, plopped a vote down on me in his 2nd or 3rd post for completely spurious reasons, and then just parked it there without pushing my wagon and instead farting around with 3rd party softclaims. What is the town motivation behind that? There's none. He only sulked off the wagon when it became painfully obvious I am town and now he's upset because I'm calling for his lynch, using his completely anti-town play as evidence.
If he was trying, putting in genuine effort, I'd give him a pass. But he's not. Summarizing the events of the thread with vague 5-word phrases is not scumhunting. Offering conclusions that are just parroting what's already been said by other players is not scumhunting.
I'm not going to be dissuaded from my vote. I'm going to tunnel on him for the rest of the day until he or I gets lynched and/or I get nightkilled.
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Please quote where I said this.↑ SleepyKrew wrote:So you're saying you completely ignored why we're pushing Klazam. Cool.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.ftr, I'm still not opposed to a Citrus lynch. Klazam's meta stuff was just more damning.
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Fine, whatever.
I don't have any reads at all, I'm just so pissed off at this town. I was really enjoying this game when it started. The fact that you are so willing to give MadCitrus and his "woe is me" shtick a pass despite literally zero pro-town actions has completely sucked my enjoyment out of this game.
I'm so torn between just saying fuck it and voting Klazam or just quitting the site entirely.
I don't have any reads at all, I'm just so pissed off at this town. I was really enjoying this game when it started. The fact that you are so willing to give MadCitrus and his "woe is me" shtick a pass despite literally zero pro-town actions has completely sucked my enjoyment out of this game.
I'm so torn between just saying fuck it and voting Klazam or just quitting the site entirely.
Mod: replace me
I finally learned what it's like to be a grandmother; subjugated, yet honored.