Mini 1598: Mafia with a Twist 1 - The OK Corral (Over!)


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Post Post #83 (isolation #0) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:19 pm

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This is me checking in to confirm I know the game has started, and this is also me checking out til tomorrow
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Post Post #90 (isolation #1) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:30 am

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Leviathan explain your reads please?

VOTE: Zoidberg

This is scum. RVS on the mod opening post scum tell too ez
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Post Post #93 (isolation #2) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:00 am

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I like you Konowa. Welcome to my secret town-block.
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Post Post #95 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:09 am

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ika wrote:
MadCitrus wrote:I like you Konowa. Welcome to my secret town-block.


whats is the secret town block and why am i not in charge of it?


Pertains to my role WIFOM
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Post Post #97 (isolation #4) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:05 pm

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Btw if there's any non-mafia non-town, they should claim as Survivors. Via the Town PM we only have to eliminate scum to win
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Post Post #99 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:59 pm

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Why not?
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Post Post #101 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:34 pm

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Utility for me or utility for town? Because there's utility for town and that's why I posted it
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Post Post #103 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:03 pm

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I was trying to interpret that from the PoV of someone who doesn't know my alignment. I'd honestly say there's a difference between town utility vs. my utility, but everyone will interpret it differently from how I mean it. If I was mod!confirmed town I'd still say that.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:30 pm

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The second part of my post? Not commenting beyond what I've said right now. Maybe I'm a Survivor and want to test the water before claiming or something
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Post Post #150 (isolation #9) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:39 pm

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Hmm there are no flips in this game? I Don't see any mentions in the setup.

Zoidberg is scum. Incredibly defensive. Also on other sites I played voting the mod was in fact a reliable scum!tell when the player in question didn't have awareness of it (which is clearly true in this case).

Also shoving my counter-wagon just so. damn. hard. It's actually entertaining to watch.

I'm flattered that you managed to talk about me using more words than I've used this entire game. I guess it requires a lot of effort to flail.

*puts some popcorn in the microwave*
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Post Post #160 (isolation #10) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:19 pm

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Klazam wrote:a) who said there was no flips?

b) bastard game, so you gotta vote the mod just in case, lol. How is it a scumtell in this case?


I'm saying I don't see it in the rules so I'm assuming it for now. This is part of a series meaning there's a lot of different twists, but only one/thematic few in each game.

I have a miner hat and ready to shine the light on your tunnel
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Post Post #161 (isolation #11) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:20 pm

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Oh and for the third time, yes voting the mod first is a scumtell. Non-committal way to accomplish RVS and it looks mirthful which helps with skipping the radar
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Post Post #162 (isolation #12) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:21 pm

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Hi my name is MadCitrus. I am neither mad (read: insane) nor am I actually a cat made of oranges. AMA
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Post Post #164 (isolation #13) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:23 pm

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Not yet m'dear, not everyone has posted since I said that...I think...
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Post Post #165 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:24 pm

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(Just waiting ok Ika)
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Post Post #171 (isolation #15) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:57 pm

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Klazam wrote:I had a thought, and i want to sleep on it. Madcitrus, don't answer my last post please


If tomorrow you would like me to, I will elaborate at that point.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #16) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:34 pm

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Yay ika is town!
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Post Post #261 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:35 pm

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Welcome to the secret to town block.
My phone auto corrected wine in there instead of town and I just cracked up Oh. So. Hard.
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Post Post #262 (isolation #18) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:36 pm

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I'd like Zoids erg to survive the day, even if he's a witch.

VOTE: ZZZX

That read list thing you do works so many more times than I'd expect ika.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #19) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:51 pm

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Still no posting things that look like scum hunting, since Citrus thinks he's experienced enough to be able to fake blatant scum hunting in posts if he wanted to*

You had a typo so I fixed it
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Post Post #271 (isolation #20) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:30 am

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Coolio!

I am in fact town and not third party in any sense. If anyone claims third party this game it should be treated as a scum claim
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Post Post #281 (isolation #21) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:28 am

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Yawn

When I get home tonight I'll see if I can solve the game
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Post Post #284 (isolation #22) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:35 am

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The only bullshit is anyone who quick hammers me
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Post Post #286 (isolation #23) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:49 am

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Said scum
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Post Post #287 (isolation #24) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:55 am

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Oh I'm not 100% on this but I think I can confirm myself as town
How bout dem apples
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Post Post #289 (isolation #25) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:18 am

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I've never been modkilled before and I don't plan on it today
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Post Post #291 (isolation #26) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:13 am

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Nah brah, that was just a statement for everyone that doesn't know me
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Post Post #293 (isolation #27) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:56 am

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Zoidberg wrote:Still no scumhunting from MadCitrus. Only vague and meaningless hints.


"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
~Albert Einstein
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Post Post #314 (isolation #28) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:17 pm

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Alright it's go time.

Possibly clearing myself -> I don't have a Private Topic of any sort to post my thoughts in etc.

More to come
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Post Post #315 (isolation #29) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:21 pm

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First things first:

My third party / survivor stuff from earlier was a chance to see if there were any benign neutrals AND prevent anyone from saving a fake-claim of the sorts for later. I wanted to give everyone a chance to post and come clean if they wanted to, and noone chose to. So lynch anyone who tried to hide in the third-party realm.

Next note - thoughts on the setup:

Assuming no twist, I would expect a 3-scum team with an assortment of TPR's mixed in with the citizens. I'd still wager there's a 3-scum team and the twist is in something else. So we're looking for ~3 players +/- that are scum together, when looking at interactions
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Post Post #317 (isolation #30) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:37 pm

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This is taking longer than I thought, Part I is below and other parts will come in a few hours or so.

Save the Dragons

Summary:
-RVS on Klazam
-Votes Hiplop (no follow up + not RVS anymore?)
-Happy-go-lucky style to start
-Questions my third party related posts
-Votes MadCitrus
-Defends Zoidberg
-Asks people some questions (doesn't really follow up on them at all?)
-Votes Ika
-Votes Maestro
-Votes MadCitrus
-Mentions possible MadCitrus/Wolfy scumteam

Thoughts:
-Throws his vote around a lot without justification or pushing
-Doesn't follow up on his questions or seem to care that much about getting them answered - false engagement?

Conclusions:
-Leaning scum

ZZZX

Summary:
-RVS on Save the Dragons
-Playful posting
-Votes SleepyCrew (#29)
-Switches back to Dragons after Sleepy said VLA
-Talks about own meta
-Asks for people to read his games and meta him as town
-Votes Maestro and mentions he might be scum

Thoughts:
-Completely passive - all engagement seems started by other players
-Pushes meta a lot
-Places first real vote-ish on Maestro

Conclusions:
-Slight lean town

Klazam

Summary:
-RVS on Maestro
-Switches to Dragons
-Switches to Ika
-Against mass claiming
-Votes Leviathan
-Votes MadCitrus
-Questions voting the mod is a scumtell
-Backs off MadCitrus after a flurry of tunnel posts
-Claims Zoid is town and votes ZZZX
-Votes MadCitrus again

Thoughts:
-Feeling a bit of genuine town paranoia here
-Slight association with Zoidberg

Conclusions:
-Slight lean town

Konowa

Summary:
-RVS on Dragons
-Votes Zoidberg
-Talks about the Zoidberg wagon
-Dislikes MadCitrus's posts
-States third party vibes from MadCitrus
-States SK is very likely town

Thoughts:
-Not much focus on players outside those with wagons
-Not as much content as I remembered after looking through ISO

Conclusions:
-Soft lean town

SleepyKrew

Summary:
-Opening post
-VLA statement
-Votes Zoidberg
-Asks why people voted Dragons
-Claims Zoid scum and Hiplop town
-States will look at Citrus later
-States not trying to avoid/coast due to VLA status
-Votes Wolfy
-States waiting on MadCitrus to post what he promised
-Jokes

Thoughts:
-No RVS
-Genuine interest in Dragons' wagon (for whatever reason)

Conclusions:
-Slight town
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Post Post #318 (isolation #31) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:37 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:If you're going to claim or whatever, then please just do it.


Why would I claim?
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Post Post #319 (isolation #32) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:38 pm

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^To add to this
We have a week before deadline, if someone quick-hammers now they're basically claiming scum
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Post Post #322 (isolation #33) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:58 pm

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Interesting trend: A lot of first votes were on Dragons. Thus dragons is most likely town, but if he's scum I'd expect almost all of those first-votes to be town.

Maestro

Summary:
-RVS on Dragons
-Votes Zoidberg
-Promises a catch up later tonight

Thoughts:
-Not much stuff here at all

Conclusions:
-Null

Ika

Not really doing this one, fairly sure he's town because this is his town meta

Wolfy

Summary:
-RVS on SleepyKrew
-Votes Zoidberg (when Zoid claims he wants to wagon Nati)
-Votes MadCitrus
-Switches back to Zoidberg
-Switches back to MadCitrus

Thoughts:
-Jumping on either available wagon?
-Probably unaligned with Zoidberg
-VERY fickle

Conclusions:
-Slight scum

Natirasha

Summary:
-RVS on self
-Votes Leviathan
-States Wolfy is cool

Thoughts:
-Null as fuck, but has a decent # of posts

Conclusions:
-Leaning scum

Leviathan

Summary:
-Throws out some initial reads
-Votes Hiplop
-Votes Zoidberg
-Votes MadCitrus

Thoughts:
-Null as heck, pretty much just throws his vote around

Conclusions:
-Slight scum

Hiplop

Summary:
-RVS on Klazam
-Votes ZZZX
-Gives thoughts on general mafia/town play
-Read Dragons as scum, Ika as town, Citrus as maybe town

Thoughts:
-Using his vote to push what he thinks at the time
-Not much yet, but gut vibes town

Conclusions:
-Leaning town

And last but not least.

Zoidberg

Summary:
-RVS on Mod
-Votes Dragons
-Votes Nati
-Votes MadCitrus (with a case)
-Gives thoughts on why his wagon stalled
-More thoughts on MadCitrus
-Claims VT with L-1
-Scumreads on me, Hiplop, Wolfy
-Votes Ika
-Strong dislike of Ika's readwall
-Reads Ika's games and changes his mind
-Votes MadCitrus
-Proposes Wolfy/MadCitrus scumteam
-Repeatedly taunts MadCitrus on his lack of scumhunting

Thoughts:
-Overall has good content with spurts of scummy behavior (ex: minor scumtells, large focus on MadCitrus even when he ignores the pressure, etc.)
-Actively trying to solve the game
-Seems really really jumpy about me scum-reading him. I feel like he's using my as an excuse to appear towny and get rid of someone scumreading him

Conclusions:
-Leaning town. Honestly between spurts of scummy-ness and him actually irritating me (like annoying irritating me) I want to scum-read him, but he brings up a very good point on stagnating games helping scum and he's trying to keep the game alive. With the playerset and the way this game has gone so far, this actually is very town

All this analysis was done by ISO, I need to glance at the wagon stuff, especially with Dragons getting so many early votes (self-reminder)
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Post Post #323 (isolation #34) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:59 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:
MadCitrus wrote:
SleepyKrew wrote:If you're going to claim or whatever, then please just do it.


Why would I claim?

I assumed that you'd be at least partially claiming during your attempt to conftown yourself. Was I wrong?


You were in fact wrong

Zoidberg wrote:In what way does this confirm you as town, it's mostly IIoA


Because every mafia game I've played in has involved a Private Topic/QT of some sort, and yet I didn't get one this game as town. I wouldn't have known that if I were scum. IIoA = ?
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Post Post #327 (isolation #35) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:08 pm

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In a vacuum:

Ika - town
ZZZX - lean town
Klazam - lean town
Konowa - lean town
Hiplop - lean town
Zoid - lean town
Krew - slight town
Maestro - null
Levi - slight scum
Wolfy - slight scum
Nati - lean scum
Dragons - lean scum

That said, Dragons got a lot of votes in a short amount of time. Same with Zoid.

VOTE: Wolfy

Interestingly enough, he's one of the few players that didn't vote Dragons at any point.

Dragon voters (RVS or other): {ZZZX, Klazam, Maestro, Konowa, Zoid}
Non-Dragon voters: {Krew, Wolfy, Nati, Levi, Hiplop}

I'm missing someone ugh

Potential scumteam 1: Wolfy, Dragon, Nati/Levi (outside shot of Krew)
Potential scumteam 2: Maestro, Klazam, Zoid
Potential scumteam 3: Maestro, Konowa, ???

Quite a few players have been practically useless this game, no wonder I didn't remember them at all...
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Post Post #328 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:09 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:Oh
My
God

I can lynch this.


coolstorybro wheres yo vote
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Post Post #329 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:13 pm

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Town PoE: Ika, Hiplop, Konowa, Zoid, ZZZX
From most confident to least.

There really isn't enough content to draw many conclusions yet, I feel like I'm stretching it even with these
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Post Post #338 (isolation #38) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:35 pm

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hiplop wrote:Hm, citrus what about me reads townie? I don't think I've done ANYTHING remotely good enough to be a confident town read

I honestly think you may be scum.


You just feel town. It's still fairly on in D1 and you've been giving helpful advice, but not in a coasting way.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #39) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:09 am

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#358

Because this thread is pretty short still and devoid of posts from half the players. Almost none of my reads are confident as I don't even have meta to work off.

A lot of experience with townika, a reasonable amount with scum ika. I'm not sure how his meta is different on this site from other sites, but there's a lot of ways in which he could have coasted today and yet he didn't. Ways that would've slipped by me too probably, so it's not to appear town to me either
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Post Post #363 (isolation #40) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:17 am

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The games where I haven't caught scum ika recently I gave him a pass for low activity. His alignment becomes more obvious over time but he dislikes being scum and he tends to skip out more as it
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Post Post #365 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:20 am

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Why vote nati? That seems like a dumb question. She's been pretty null and nothings going to come of it unless a decent wagon forms to pressure her. But most likely I'm getting lynched today, and I don't forsee a counter wagon popping up like that because half of you will go "herp Derp trying to counter wagon" anyways
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Post Post #366 (isolation #42) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 am

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Sleepy crew, you realize there are different ways to play mafia? Ika's is different from yours and I can at least say with confidence he's good when he tried as town. As opposed to someone like you who seems most skilled at repeating himself in the hopes he will be seen as active
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Post Post #367 (isolation #43) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:21 am

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Tries* thanks autocorrect
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Post Post #374 (isolation #44) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:49 am

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hiplop wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:
MadCitrus wrote:Alright it's go time.

Possibly clearing myself -> I don't have a Private Topic of any sort to post my thoughts in etc.

More to come

MadCitrus wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:In what way does this confirm you as town, it's mostly IIoA


Because every mafia game I've played in has involved a Private Topic/QT of some sort, and yet I didn't get one this game as town. I wouldn't have known that if I were scum. IIoA = ?


Wait... THAT's how you think you can confirm yourself town? Telling us you don't have a QT?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sure bud, I totally believe you. I don't have a QT either. Guess that makes me confirmed town.

Of course, you'll have to just take it on faith that I don't have a QT. Why would I lie? Nobody lies in Mafia, that's just dishonest.


this post is unnecessary. it pisses me off but its townie

also madcitrus SK is a great player. He's v/la and still keeping up give the guy a break lol


Fair enough, I'm just getting pissed off with how a few players are just discounting anything I say. Like zoidberg is actually getting under my skin because he's just repeating over and over "not scum hunting not scumhunting". I had a suspicion he was using the fact that I was being distant to waste all his 'posts' pushing on me, and it's becoming a stronger possibility to me. Like he throws out another big term, a few people agree, and then he refuses to say anything but that
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Post Post #379 (isolation #45) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:58 am

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ika wrote:cirtus, embrage your inner rage and let it out like i did in WH4. It makes you feel better afterwards even if they wont listen i will

also page ninja top


I was dangerously close earlier from how peeved off I was getting with zoidberg
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Post Post #380 (isolation #46) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:02 pm

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I'm kinda town reading ZZZX for pushing people to meta read him so hard, though he's not really doing anything good beyond that...
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Post Post #382 (isolation #47) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:08 pm

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I'm getting the vibe he has low confidence in his ability to appear town as scum, hence the bringing up meta all the time
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Post Post #387 (isolation #48) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:47 pm

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I already explained why I didn't want to answer that question countless times
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Post Post #388 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:49 pm

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And by countless I mean once

MadCitrus wrote:First things first:

My third party / survivor stuff from earlier was a chance to see if there were any benign neutrals AND prevent anyone from saving a fake-claim of the sorts for later. I wanted to give everyone a chance to post and come clean if they wanted to, and noone chose to. So lynch anyone who tried to hide in the third-party realm.

Next note - thoughts on the setup:

Assuming no twist, I would expect a 3-scum team with an assortment of TPR's mixed in with the citizens. I'd still wager there's a 3-scum team and the twist is in something else. So we're looking for ~3 players +/- that are scum together, when looking at interactions
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Post Post #390 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:45 pm

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Klazam wrote:My entire problem with that: What town goes "oh, i better check for third parties"?

That is scum behavior


It's a bastard modded unknown setup, we don't even have any nightkill info to tell if there's a second killer/serial killer/etc. The world isn't as rigid as you make it out to be, maybe when you're town you 100% totally ignore the possibility of neutrals in a game during D1, but when I am and noone's even brought up the possibility of neutrals I choose to do so
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Post Post #391 (isolation #51) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:45 pm

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So my answer is: my kind of town
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Post Post #393 (isolation #52) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:12 pm

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Because you never know, someone may claim survivor. This way there's no fake claiming it later. It's a battery setup, someone's going to try to abuse that in their favor later most likely

Lol. You vastly VASTLY overestimate the majority of players. Even average players struggle with modifying their meta on a game by game basis, let alone those players that don't even know how others interpret their meta
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Post Post #396 (isolation #53) » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:45 pm

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Once again, it's a bastard setup. What if there's two night killers and it's 5p LYLO? Claiming survivor could be a good move for scum in that position. Unless you have information the rest of us don't, it's net positive to get possibilities like that which give scum breathing room and don't do shit for us out the way.

And context is everything. In a vacuum saying that (#394 second part) is in fact scummy. Making a defense of your actions as 'meta' is DEFINITELY scummy (ex: I always skip D1, don't lynch me guys it's my town meta). There's a difference between trying to meta-clear oneself and asking others to look at evidence X/Y/Z to meta-clear oneself. That is why I think it's a town-tell.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #54) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:39 am

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I've been strawmanning a bit because I've started getting pissed off at the seeming disregard for anything I say.

My 'IIoA' summaries were to force me to read the entire thread for each player, since I wanted to build a readwall, before I discovered how little has occurred.

I'd much rather get lynched today if it's just going to be someone else like ZZZX mislynched today and then me mislynched tmrw/D3/etc. Considering the number of null players in this game, it just feels off that he's the only other competing wagon.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #55) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:18 am

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Kinda because when I was chugging through I made those reads/thoughts as I worked, then posted without altering anything. Holistically I realized that half of it was shit because I wasn't feeling confident on the majority of the reads any which way, and I gut scum teams didn't match the individual reads at all. It might be because I have a high reliance on meta reading players as I've lately been playing in regular playerbases until my forays into this forum. But D1 + just so many players being so null means I don't even know.

And I already stated, I don't think a vote on Nati would do anything from her playstyle through here. I'd rather pressure someone pressurable, though I'm not sure now since he just went VLA...
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Post Post #420 (isolation #56) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:19 am

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There's also the fact that Nati is on Leviathan and hasn't really taken a stance on me besides a ?joke-post? that she was ready to quickhammer me
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Post Post #422 (isolation #57) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:33 am

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No, the first is a thing I like that I noticed after the previous post, and the second is me saying she hasn't taken a stance on me. I included that joke-post comment because technically that's the only time she's commented on me, but for the most part she hasn't taken a stance on me and/or hasn't posted at all
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Post Post #423 (isolation #58) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:38 am

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I'm not sure who's scum on my wagon. The last few pages have me at a town-block of {Ika, Konowa, Save the Dragons, ZZZX}. Beyond that ranges from weak town-reads to null.

I'm an incredibly easy mislynch this game from the way I've acted, but players just
aren't posting enough
for me to take advantage of that. It's reminding me heavily of my home-site Ika mentioned, where especially the first few days are troll days with most people lurking or sheeping the biggest few wagons and are relatively useless.

I'm curious to see Zoidberg's next foray back into here. I don't think both Levi and Wolfy are scum because that sounds like a really weak scum!team? But I think one of the two is scum, and it would make sense for one to be aligned with Zoidberg and to help push my counter-wagon earlier on.

Brb checking vote counts
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Post Post #424 (isolation #59) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:40 am

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Actually.

Levi scum sat on Hiplop at the beginning, then put Zoidberg at L-1, then switched to me when the wagons were migrating

VOTE: Leviathan93

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Post Post #425 (isolation #60) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:41 am

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Yeap I'm happy with that, re-reviewed an ISO of him in record time
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Post Post #427 (isolation #61) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:43 am

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Not sure: {Hiplop, Klazam, Natirasha, Maestro, Sleepy, Wolfy, Zoidberg, Leviathan}

Kinda spectrum from town to scum gutreads
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Post Post #430 (isolation #62) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:04 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:
MadCitrus wrote:I don't think both Levi and Wolfy are scum because that sounds like a really weak scum!team?

Also what does this even mean?


There's a strong tendency for a lot of players (myself included) to end up reading on activity and strength of players' posts than alignment. A good rule of thumb I've given myself is if I have too many seemingly weak players pegged together as scum, I'm either wrong or we'll win later and I should stay paranoid

SleepyKrew wrote:wow Citrus's reads sure have changed really quickly


It's nice when players show they're actually and actively trying to solve the game. PoE is OP
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Post Post #439 (isolation #63) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:05 am

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Save The Dragons wrote:
SleepyKrew wrote:
Save The Dragons wrote:You aren't very specific in your posts. I didn't say this specifically because I needed the clarification. I said it because it seems like a lot of the people hopped on and piggybacked from the low-hanging fruit, and regardless of MadCitrus's alignment, there's likely to be scum on his wagon (though I'm townreading most of the members of the wagon. Frustrating).

So why didn't you just ask?


Because I didn't need the clarification? I don't care why you voted MadCitrus, I'm making a point that people jumped on that wagon with little specification as to why. Scum could easily be like "yeah, that's right!" and vote MadCitrus if he's town.

I think it's unlikely that was your approach but my opinion is irrelevant to my point.

MadCitrus:

When did I join the townblock?

Also what's with the "scum!team" why the exclamation point? ika did this as well.


When I deemed you town. Also I basically stated the reason in that town block post

The exclamation marks are a thing in the other forum we play on. People use it like: Town!Citrus Scum!Citrus etc. to delineate it's like a potential world. It's become a habit for me, so when I said scum!team it was saying potential scum-team kinda.

You can remove the exclamation marks as they're irrelevant to meaning, it just makes it easier to read then TownCitrus ScumCitrus Scumteam etc
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Post Post #443 (isolation #64) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:54 am

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Read the beginning of that post again?
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Post Post #467 (isolation #65) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:13 am

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Zoidberg wrote:This is stupid. MadCitrus hasn't done jack shit all game except one big textwall of IIoA and then throwing some appeals to emotion because I was mean to him.

Somehow the wagon is dissipating in favour of a wagon on ZZZX the VI and people are voting Klazam for reasons passing understanding.

I'm done playing until you guys get your shit together. I'm just going to prod-dodge until we hit the deadline. You townies are handing scum the game. They don't need to push a wagon. Per the rules they just need to get the wagon up high enough and then stall the game until the deadline based on the lynch mechanics.

gg scum


You know what? Post game if you're town and you don't apologize to everyone I'm going to likely to refuse to ever play a game with you again. Because [redacted]

And redacted is because I don't want to break one of the few rules this game has, namely to not be a jackass to other players (which I'd argue you're doing a good job of breaking). Maybe it's your scum game to use an excuse of the person you want lynched isn't lynched, but if this is your town game and you're actually just going to whine and refuse to play because you someone didn't get lynched you should be deeply ashamed of yourself. All you've fucking done for the last few pages is jab at me and you're using it as a fucking excuse to coast through the game.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #66) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:14 am

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Fuck it, I'm going awol for a few hours, I'm dangerously close to losing my head if I haven't already
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Post Post #503 (isolation #67) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:59 pm

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Wait....what?? He actually replaced out?
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Post Post #505 (isolation #68) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:03 pm

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That pegs him as town. Kinda in disbelief some of what he did wasn't fake and was actually genuine?.

Welcome Aegor!

Town block: {Ika, Save the Dragons, Konowa, Zoid/Aegor, ZZZX}
Scum in: {Hiplop, Klazam, Natirasha, Maestro, Sleepy, Wolfy, Leviathan}

Narrowing down pretty quickly here, assuming noone slipped past my town!radar
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Post Post #506 (isolation #69) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:04 pm

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Town block: {Ika, Save the Dragons, Konowa, Zoid/Aegor, ZZZX}
Scum in: {Hiplop, Klazam, Natirasha, Maestro, SleepyKrew, Wolfy, Leviathan}

Fixed.

I'd rather people use 'Citrus' if they don't mind as opposed to 'MC'. Unless I'm actively looking I completely miss I'm being named
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Post Post #510 (isolation #70) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:38 pm

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Hiplop, you reading my posts or not? I literally said the same thing about you yesterday as I just did
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Post Post #511 (isolation #71) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:39 pm

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Glad to see how upset you are with the movement of you from strong townread to strongest townread in my set of not comfortable as town. Like seriously, over-reaction much? Is the important thing here the fact that I'm not seemingly giving you a free pass and thus you now want me eliminated hmmmmm?
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Post Post #512 (isolation #72) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:40 pm

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That may have been a bit biting, but I'm kinda surprised by how forced that was: "Hmmm. Citrus. Interesting complete 180 on me. I was in your town block.

VOTE citrus

yeah, you're scum."

Like this does not look like your regular posting style at all


Edited to remove colon from vote in quote for the benefit of the votecounter. -Thesp
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Post Post #513 (isolation #73) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:40 pm

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MadCitrus wrote:Not sure: {Hiplop, Klazam, Natirasha, Maestro, Sleepy, Wolfy, Zoidberg, Leviathan}

Kinda spectrum from town to scum gutreads


Proof I'm not a liar
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Post Post #514 (isolation #74) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:41 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:StD why did you abandon me


Just wanted to point out how funny reading this was ^^
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Post Post #517 (isolation #75) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:55 pm

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What was my wagon? That was me giving my PoE reads?
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Post Post #524 (isolation #76) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:26 am

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Excited for an answer from Hiplop

Maestro do something, you're an afk slot right now
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Post Post #530 (isolation #77) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:38 am

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What does pedit mean?

It sparked my in Maestro, because I remember he threw an unvote after the replace and nothing else.

My vote's on Levi isn't it? I'd rather people vote Levi but I can say what I want
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Post Post #532 (isolation #78) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:50 am

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OH ok thanks, that clears up a lot actually.

I'm voting Levi because he has like 8 posts and they're all disatrously bad.

I'm calling out Maestro to basically say, if you don't show do something useful, you can count on my vote on your wagon.

Right now I prefer Leviathan the most, of the players I'm not slotting as town
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Post Post #548 (isolation #79) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:23 pm

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That's good Leviathan, but it's also something multiple players have said.

Any more thoughts?
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Post Post #549 (isolation #80) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:24 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:So Maestro not doing anything + his previous posts is enough for you to change your vote from Levi? Does that mean that your suspicions on Levi and Maestro are (approximately) equivalent?


What? Where are you getting this?

They're both the nullest but Leviathan is more null as of that post
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Post Post #559 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:56 pm

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leviathan93 wrote:
MadCitrus wrote:That's good Leviathan, but it's also something multiple players have said.

Any more thoughts?


yes, and i haven't been here so i'm throwing my thoughts as well into the pile and agreeing with them. =P

therefore zoidberg now augor or whatever is now town. for the most part. and thus scum should be looked elsewhere.


Right, you already said that in less words and I already acknowledged it. What else?
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Post Post #562 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:41 pm

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ika wrote:the fact you guys are still circulating around cirtus is boring me.........

doe anyone else have anything of intrest or am i just going to stand here and look pretty?


Why vote ZZZX? Don't you think the meta-clear stuff he tried to pull would make him more likely town? Considering it wasn't strictly meta-cleaing
himself
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Post Post #564 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:49 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:I can't wait till Citrus gets to 558!


? I don't see a question?

What about calling someone null means their voting history can't be called into question? I stated an interesting vote progression from Levi. If he flips scum, it's a decent chance it shows he's unaligned with all 3 of those players.
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Post Post #566 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:59 pm

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He is the nullest of the null though. On a spectrum of all the players in this game from null to not-null, I'd slot him as furthest to null, give or take a bit
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Post Post #567 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:00 pm

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SleepyKrew wrote:I can't wait till Citrus gets to 558!


I'm actually really glad you said this, because I was skimming through and I missed the first half of 558 when I saw it
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Post Post #572 (isolation #86) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:31 am

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Haters gonna hate.

I absolutely hate when people try to meta clear themselves, so only saying this since I'm assuming I'm getting lynched. There's no way I would've been this roundabout as scum, it's so easy to avoid the D1 wagons if you really want to. All good though, gl town. Use those blocks I gave earlier and it narrows down like half the game. I'd highly recommend any protective roles visit ika tonight.

I'm getting busier in RL for the next few days before I go vla, no promises I'll be here as frequently as I have been before deadline.

Citrus out
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Post Post #573 (isolation #87) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:32 am

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And I'm way too lazy to do this since I'm gonna be dead anyways, but there's probably a good amount of info based on all the people using me as the easy mislynch. Check out whoever has a fake or forced reaction to my flip
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Post Post #578 (isolation #88) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:13 am

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Wow it lost my post
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Post Post #579 (isolation #89) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:16 am

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MadCitrus wrote:Town block: {Ika, Save the Dragons, Konowa, Zoid/Aegor, ZZZX}
Scum in: {Hiplop, Klazam, Natirasha, Maestro, SleepyKrew, Wolfy, Leviathan}



Reasonably sure hiplop is scum, his posts on me are forced especially later on. Reasonably confident in my town reads. Beyond that my reads are too hand wavy for non town to be confident. But I was a multi shot vigilante I'd probably shoot Wolfy first after hiplop, and then someone in the scum in list.

Hammer at will. Don't fucking forget about these reads. Protective on ika. Good luck and good bye
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Post Post #581 (isolation #90) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:30 am

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I would have eons ago if I wanted to
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Post Post #583 (isolation #91) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:03 am

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Why? It should be pretty obvious since I haven't claimed anyways
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Post Post #584 (isolation #92) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:03 am

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Eh I'm vanilla, just in case there aren't flips
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Post Post #585 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:03 am

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Please don't forget my reads please please please
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Post Post #591 (isolation #94) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:06 am

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I'd recommend Wolfy of that list, if there's a vigilante, followed by whichever of Nati/Maestro
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Post Post #599 (isolation #95) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:57 pm

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SleepyKrew confirmation bias. Look it up
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Post Post #600 (isolation #96) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:57 pm

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Wolfy why do you think I'm town?
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Post Post #611 (isolation #97) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:49 am

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If I'm at L-1 dangerously close to day end I'll self hammer over letting us go to no lynch (assuming that's allowed here)
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Post Post #612 (isolation #98) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:49 am

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I mean, if I were scum I would self hammer at this point anyways with the wagon on me all day. But whatever
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Post Post #640 (isolation #99) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:44 pm

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VOTE: hiplop

Zzz

Remember my readsssss
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Post Post #641 (isolation #100) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:45 pm

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And please don't insult my scum game. I'm incredibly aware of what I say when I'm scum to make sure I remain consistent. That's almost a scum-team for me to NOT have inconsistencies
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Post Post #642 (isolation #101) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:53 pm

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Can't really tell if SleepyKrew is trying to ensure I'm mislynches or just tunneling me, food for thought
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Post Post #643 (isolation #102) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:54 pm

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Specifically: discrediting anyone that doesn't scum-read me as opposed to tunneling me in partocular
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Post Post #672 (isolation #103) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:19 am

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I kinda know what hiplop means by the town/scum read flip, except he's too focused on specific loss of being read as town and subsequent super forced posts. I said I wasn't confident he was town and he went immediately from "why does he town read me I haven't done much" to "holy shit he's scum lynch it". The funny part is he himself said he hasn't done enough to be town read, but the second I went from 'town read' to 'unknown read' I became expendable to him
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Post Post #675 (isolation #104) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:58 am

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The main thing on ZZZX for me is the meta stuff he said, but he's done little since.

We have 3 days, don't have to rush.
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Post Post #679 (isolation #105) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:33 am

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hiplop wrote:because I was your #1 town read. That doesn't change (or shouldnt) because of someone being questioning

you're scum. My counter-wagon is obvious scum-driven



Umm no, 423 holds my top town reads from that time. And that's EXACTLY my point, you out of the blue decided I'm 100% scum from you didn't know because you didn't agree with my read of you
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Post Post #680 (isolation #106) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:34 am

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hiplop wrote:because I was your #1 town read. That doesn't change (or shouldnt) because of someone being questioning

you're scum. My counter-wagon is obvious scum-driven


Holy fuck that second statement is scummy as fuck, I just realized.

Be concrete. Right now. Name the scum driving other than my placing a vote on you, I'm all ears :F
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Post Post #681 (isolation #107) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:36 am

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:D*

What are you even doing autocorrect
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Post Post #683 (isolation #108) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:44 am

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Ah, makes sense lol
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Post Post #686 (isolation #109) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:33 am

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Let's not go through the player list having everyone claim 1 by 1? Just for future reference
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Post Post #690 (isolation #110) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:38 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:Yes because two claims on Day 1 is PREPOSTEROUS


3?

Of course you shouldn't hammer, and we have 3 days left anyways.

I'm saying I'm a little worried we're making a pattern where we throw players up 1 by 1 to L-1 then say claim, then it moves to someone else. It's a bit weird, I don't think I've seen it happen 3x in one day before...
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Post Post #691 (isolation #111) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:38 am

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Save The Dragons wrote:Actually, there have been 3 claims so far, iirc.

ika's dream of a D1 massclaim is slowly coming to fruition.


This lol. I mean technically it's a popcorn lynch my majority approval more or less, but still
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Post Post #894 (isolation #112) » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:22 am

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ika wrote:GG everyone, i kinda have a lot to say for everyone but for now a breif thing:

hiplop: i want to say your freakout help pushed your lynch
Aegor: dont remmeber much sadly will look back and say
Konowa: same as above
MadCitrus: and this is why you dont make townblocs, once scums gets in, its very easy for them to manipulate
Natirasha: not much
Riddleton: didnt get to do anything.....
SleepyKrew: tbh you were probally the only one i feared, im glad someone shot you N1
ZZZX: not too much, i woud of used the same argument as town tbh
leviathan93: nice gambit, but it backfired :(
Wolfy: yup the most obvious kill

tbh i was considering a no-kill and seeing what i could do.

if hsot donest give out maf QT i will, you will see i had this full laid out plan for lylo.

but more as people post and when im not as lazy/tired


Eh I would've realized something was off further in the game, I didn't expect to have to deal with probably multiple vig shots N1 lol
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Post Post #895 (isolation #113) » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:23 am

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Something was off as in, I PoE past 3 mafia lol
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