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All part of my plan.
hahaha.
Wait is voting randomly not a thing anymore? I'm kind of old. I'm older than Thesp! Take that, mod.
Sorry I haven't found the scum in the first post of the game. I'll try harder next time.
It outs the PR.
Actually I have a better response...it kills the PRs. I refuse to participate in this if it's a thing. Not D1 at least for me, thanks.
It's funny because when I first read your post I was like "this looks like a fake-town post"
But there's no telling what roles are going to be in this game.
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Is utility for the town different than utility for you?
I spent about 10 minutes staring at that line trying to figure out why you would say that based on what alignment you might be.
I don't really see how that helps the town, hence me asking why it helps the town. Your post invites mafia, SKs, jesters, etc. etc. if they are present in this game to claim survivor.
I'm pretty dense when it comes to current theory/site meta/etc.etc.etc. so I'm genuinely asking what benefit you gave the town saying that.
I spent about 10 minutes staring at that line trying to figure out why you would say that based on what alignment you might be.
I don't really see how that helps the town, hence me asking why it helps the town. Your post invites mafia, SKs, jesters, etc. etc. if they are present in this game to claim survivor.
I'm pretty dense when it comes to current theory/site meta/etc.etc.etc. so I'm genuinely asking what benefit you gave the town saying that.
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Zoidberg seems town to me...or at least I can think of at least 5 people I'd rather lynch if I had to right at this moment.
His argument is bad though; there are too many explanations for the "stalled" wagon.
I do agree though I'm not seeing a lot of scumhunting from MadCitrus. Forgive my vanity but I don't love it when people dodge my questions (and I feel vindicated that Klazam seems to want an explanation as well), so that's always a plus.
His argument is bad though; there are too many explanations for the "stalled" wagon.
I do agree though I'm not seeing a lot of scumhunting from MadCitrus. Forgive my vanity but I don't love it when people dodge my questions (and I feel vindicated that Klazam seems to want an explanation as well), so that's always a plus.
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On Zoidberg:
I'm ignoring the mod vote completely, it doesn't tell me anything.
A lot of his posts 22 for example kind of seem like pro-town making a weird attack vs. scum forcing an attack.
26 and 28 are poor, but are just as likely to be sincere than insincere.
His attack on Nati isn't wrong. His explanation is bad though, I actually don't like how he repeats the phrase "mostly for info" because he could be trying to convince himself that was the reason and he's making it all up.
Other than that his posting kind of makes me feel like his wagon is a VI wagon. He also seems to be trying rather than faking it. I have been tempted to jump onto his wagon, but I think there are better places to vote at the moment.
No, it was in regards to 121. Some people seem to think that scum can't lie for an extended period of time (I would refer them to acting, I imagine it's got to be a lot like getting into character). This isn't the first time I've seen this be brought up.
Also there are pro-town reasons, personal meta reasons, and game reasons to not separate scumplay from townplay and/or perform anti-town actions as town.
I was going to say something like that, but it was probably better that ZZZX did anyway.
I'm ignoring the mod vote completely, it doesn't tell me anything.
A lot of his posts 22 for example kind of seem like pro-town making a weird attack vs. scum forcing an attack.
26 and 28 are poor, but are just as likely to be sincere than insincere.
His attack on Nati isn't wrong. His explanation is bad though, I actually don't like how he repeats the phrase "mostly for info" because he could be trying to convince himself that was the reason and he's making it all up.
Other than that his posting kind of makes me feel like his wagon is a VI wagon. He also seems to be trying rather than faking it. I have been tempted to jump onto his wagon, but I think there are better places to vote at the moment.
↑ Konowa wrote:↑ Save The Dragons wrote:Was going to mention something like that ^ but now I don't have to. Woo hoo!
Also, what is this in reference to? The theory talk?
No, it was in regards to 121. Some people seem to think that scum can't lie for an extended period of time (I would refer them to acting, I imagine it's got to be a lot like getting into character). This isn't the first time I've seen this be brought up.
Also there are pro-town reasons, personal meta reasons, and game reasons to not separate scumplay from townplay and/or perform anti-town actions as town.
I was going to say something like that, but it was probably better that ZZZX did anyway.
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Saying how little I know about the setup I assume is a reference to the first part of my post, not the die roll. If I'm wrong about that, then yeah, that looks a lot worse, but I didn't read it like that.
I feel that VI is a better explanation for the silly play and the resulting wagon on Zoidberg than him being scum. Frankly, that's affecting my opinion more than anything in particular Zoidberg has done.
Even further I'm probably just jaded by the new playstyles that I'm not used to, but I think I can get a better read on Zoidberg in time than I can get on some of the other players in this game.
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ZZZX are you happy with your vote on me?
Zoidberg any reason why you left Leviathan off your list?
Is leviathan's play typically of what we're going to get from him all game?
If not, Leviathan why'd you vote for Zoidberg?
ika when you're done attempting gambits do you want to post something helpful?
Wolfy can I hug your avatar?
Zoidberg any reason why you left Leviathan off your list?
Is leviathan's play typically of what we're going to get from him all game?
If not, Leviathan why'd you vote for Zoidberg?
ika when you're done attempting gambits do you want to post something helpful?
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Yes, that was pretty much going to happen since 97.
I'm having trouble seeing any of your posts from a town perspective; it just sounds like everything you say comes from a scum's POV.
I'm having trouble seeing any of your posts from a town perspective; it just sounds like everything you say comes from a scum's POV.
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I asked you 4 times for an answer to your question. Instead of any form of acknowledgement I got dodged. Pretty sure the only questions that ultimately went unanswered were the ones to Leviathan and the one asking Wolfy if I could hug his avatar, neither of which I was really expecting an answer to. Your point seems disingenuous.
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Madcitrus + hiplop seems plausible. I've liked very little posts from hiplop. I want to look again tomorrow when I've got a clearer head.
Ugh. Having second thoughts about MadCitrus, but not enough to unvote. Having trouble making sense of everything he's done. Having third thoughts. 328 is troublesome. Scum knowing he's safe? Town resigned to his fate? Okay getting paranoid I'm going to bed.
MadCitrus, why not vote Nati?
What does mid to high effort Nati look like? Different, or is your playstyle just statuesque?
Ugh. Having second thoughts about MadCitrus, but not enough to unvote. Having trouble making sense of everything he's done. Having third thoughts. 328 is troublesome. Scum knowing he's safe? Town resigned to his fate? Okay getting paranoid I'm going to bed.
MadCitrus, why not vote Nati?
What does mid to high effort Nati look like? Different, or is your playstyle just statuesque?
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hiplop, why do you say the wagon was seemingly dissolving?
Nat, I don't really know your meta very well, so I'd love an answer to this.
Nat, I don't really know your meta very well, so I'd love an answer to this.
↑ Save The Dragons wrote:What does mid to high effort Nati look like? Different, or is your playstyle just statuesque?
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Dearest MadCitrus,
Why aren't you dead?
Let me remind you of something you've said.
You tell me that my question is silly,
I have but one word for you..."really?"
I asked myself I was just being a dip
But astonished I'll be if town you flip
Hopefully it should be a cinch
To convince to all that you're the right lynch.
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Why aren't you dead?
Let me remind you of something you've said.
You tell me that my question is silly,
I have but one word for you..."really?"
I asked myself I was just being a dip
But astonished I'll be if town you flip
Hopefully it should be a cinch
To convince to all that you're the right lynch.
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Well, since you're so nice about it...
(coloring is mine)
Still seems dumb? Because it seems to me like you're just making things up.
If she's a scum read there's clearly no reason to attempt to wagon her.
What? What the heck makes a vote on Nati any different than your vote on Wolfy? In fact if anything the fact that Wolfy had a vote on him means that Wolfy's a more viable attempt at counterwagoning. Which I hardly care about. So, uh...herp derp.
Nati + Hiplop + MadCitrus scumteam? Could still be Wolfy.
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I agree this was annoying, and ironically a bit like IIoA. I haven't mentioned it in thread since I think Zoidberg is town for trying. Then he started trying too hard, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Also any explanation, rebuttal, pissing, complaining, or anything towards 333 would be nice.
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You sure made it clear which wagon you were refering to.
Also, literally...word for word. First time you get sarcastic is when you're put under a modicum of pressure.
Also, where did you do anything to any wagon regarding MadCitrus besides ignore it (the original one) and chime in late after several votes were cast (the later one)?
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↑ Save The Dragons wrote:
Also, where did you do anything to any wagon regarding MadCitrus besides ignore it (the original one) and chime in late after several votes were cast (the later one)?
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@ Ika and MadCitrus,
My case on MadCitrus is that I'm seeing a pattern of actions that don't make a lot of sense as town, but make more sense as scum making up details rather than town actively scum hunting (this is the point of post 333).Instead of responding to this accusation, MadCitrus has taken general strawmanning potshots where he has ignored half of what I've said to him. He does not feel like a pro-town person trying to stave off this confusion or these arguments.
That does not mean I have my doubts, so I'm trying to figure out why this pattern that I've seen is different from the opinions of others. That is why I have asked you, ika. If you are just going to ignore me as well and say that I've just been claiming him as scum with no meat to my accusation, then w/e, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult me.
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I'm saying, "What you say seems suspicious, here's why."
Instead of getting all "that's now how I see it," or "I found Nati less scummy than I actually claimed," or even "I called Nati both lean scum and null in my analysis of her" or any sort of acknowledgement of "I'm town, you're making a mistake" I get dismissals and an overall tone of resignation to your fate. Each post you make I'm seeing less and less of a chance that you're town.
But...
All the while Wolfy, Leviathan, and SleepyKrew have given no insight as to why they're on your wagon, which gives me pause. I don't understand why a scum would try something so silly as 314 but honestly I don't know why a town would do that either.
All the while 3-5 players have barely posted, which makes it very easy for a mislynch to happen.
All the while people have said "no flips" when I can't find a single piece of evidence to suggest there are no flips.
These things concern me.
Instead of getting all "that's now how I see it," or "I found Nati less scummy than I actually claimed," or even "I called Nati both lean scum and null in my analysis of her" or any sort of acknowledgement of "I'm town, you're making a mistake" I get dismissals and an overall tone of resignation to your fate. Each post you make I'm seeing less and less of a chance that you're town.
But...
All the while Wolfy, Leviathan, and SleepyKrew have given no insight as to why they're on your wagon, which gives me pause. I don't understand why a scum would try something so silly as 314 but honestly I don't know why a town would do that either.
All the while 3-5 players have barely posted, which makes it very easy for a mislynch to happen.
All the while people have said "no flips" when I can't find a single piece of evidence to suggest there are no flips.
These things concern me.
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:↑ Save The Dragons wrote:All the while Wolfy, Leviathan, and SleepyKrew have given no insight as to why they're on your wagon, which gives me pause.
? I thought it was pretty clear that I was voting him because of his self-clear/IIoA. If you didn't get that, then you could've just asked me?
You aren't very specific in your posts. I didn't say this specifically because I needed the clarification. I said it because it seems like a lot of the people hopped on and piggybacked from the low-hanging fruit, and regardless of MadCitrus's alignment, there's likely to be scum on his wagon (though I'm townreading most of the members of the wagon. Frustrating).
You didn't vote her because you were afraid of her vote?
I still don't understand why you find her to be scummy and just skip her over without an explanation at the time. Repeating the explanation given after the fact doesn't do much for me.
MadCitrus, who's the scum on your wagons (past or present)?
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:↑ Save The Dragons wrote:You aren't very specific in your posts. I didn't say this specifically because I needed the clarification. I said it because it seems like a lot of the people hopped on and piggybacked from the low-hanging fruit, and regardless of MadCitrus's alignment, there's likely to be scum on his wagon (though I'm townreading most of the members of the wagon. Frustrating).
So why didn't you just ask?
Because I didn't need the clarification? I don't care why you voted MadCitrus, I'm making a point that people jumped on that wagon with little specification as to why. Scum could easily be like "yeah, that's right!" and vote MadCitrus if he's town.
I think it's unlikely that was your approach but my opinion is irrelevant to my point.
MadCitrus:
When did I join the townblock?
Also what's with the "scum!team" why the exclamation point? ika did this as well.
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In regards to that particular point I'm making, I care about the event as it happened, not why everyone did what they did.
I'm not saying "SK is scum because he hopped on this wagon with no evidence!" I'm saying "looking back at this wagon there's not a whole lot of people directly confronting MadCitrus about what's going on, and 3 people just seemed to hop on without specifying exactly why. This is worrisome because at least one of these people might be scum trying to sneak onto the wagon." You certainly don't need to say nothing to do that, in fact it might be better as scum to do what you did and use the evidence already available to jump on MadCitrus. When I'm ready to look that direction I'll be more than happy to ask questions about it. I also see no reason to ask you because your intent is clearly laid out so your answer is going to be obvious (also you've already answered during the progress of this discussion).
I agree with your Wall of Shame except for a few points that are game irrelevant.
I'm not saying "SK is scum because he hopped on this wagon with no evidence!" I'm saying "looking back at this wagon there's not a whole lot of people directly confronting MadCitrus about what's going on, and 3 people just seemed to hop on without specifying exactly why. This is worrisome because at least one of these people might be scum trying to sneak onto the wagon." You certainly don't need to say nothing to do that, in fact it might be better as scum to do what you did and use the evidence already available to jump on MadCitrus. When I'm ready to look that direction I'll be more than happy to ask questions about it. I also see no reason to ask you because your intent is clearly laid out so your answer is going to be obvious (also you've already answered during the progress of this discussion).
I agree with your Wall of Shame except for a few points that are game irrelevant.
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Damnit Sleepykrew you beat me to the punch. Hoping to see what he was going to say before I considered voting him.
Oh well.
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Why is talking to you like pulling teeth?
This is still a true statement and a curiosity of mine.
This is still a true statement and a curiosity of mine.
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No, that was to MadCitrus.
...because you say that meta is bad, thus giving him a chance to be swayed by meta seems contradictory to your previous statements? It seems so apparent to me that ika's read on MadCitrus's play is entirely based on meta, so much so I asked for a clarification if this was correct. I'm going to be hard pressed to believe you think otherwise.
The third party stuff was the only reason you found MadCitrus suspicious?
...because you say that meta is bad, thus giving him a chance to be swayed by meta seems contradictory to your previous statements? It seems so apparent to me that ika's read on MadCitrus's play is entirely based on meta, so much so I asked for a clarification if this was correct. I'm going to be hard pressed to believe you think otherwise.
The third party stuff was the only reason you found MadCitrus suspicious?
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I mean I'm not trying to be rude or anything.
You can restate the case, you can look through his new stuff, you can do whatever you want but whining about how MadCitrus is losing steam is not productive.
Thus you might just be scum trying to seem more passionate about a lynch without actually affecting its outcome.
I think that's possible, but not likely, so it pisses me off that you'd pull crap like that as town.
You can restate the case, you can look through his new stuff, you can do whatever you want but whining about how MadCitrus is losing steam is not productive.
Thus you might just be scum trying to seem more passionate about a lynch without actually affecting its outcome.
I think that's possible, but not likely, so it pisses me off that you'd pull crap like that as town.
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Well obv, but the part I quoted isn't unless you're scum. So I won't lose any sleep if we lynch you because of that, okay?
Not sure how I absolved him of all guilt in your eyes but w/e. I got one vote, I like to use it. Maybe instead of raging at the town, you can put some effort into something more productive.
Also, 466. For realz. It's pretty blatantly spelled out why Klazam got votes.
PEDIT: uggh. Don't do stuff like that.
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↑ SleepyKrew wrote:ftr, I'm still not opposed to a Citrus lynch. Klazam's meta stuff was just more damning.
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Seriously. That argument was pretty tame compared to what it could have been.
In other news:
Hey, hiplop! Over here!
In other news:
Hey, hiplop! Over here!
↑ Save The Dragons wrote:↑ Save The Dragons wrote:
Also, where did you do anything to any wagon regarding MadCitrus besides ignore it (the original one) and chime in late after several votes were cast (the later one)?
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But seriously...Klazam seems town, and is likely scum if MadCitrus is town. Also the meta thing seems to be the one thing that's iffy about Klazam and I don't think he handled it poorly.
I go back and forth on MadCitrus's alignment.
I think hiplop is possibly scum regardless of MadCitrus's alignment based on his interactions.
And he's dodging my question. I don't like that.
I go back and forth on MadCitrus's alignment.
I think hiplop is possibly scum regardless of MadCitrus's alignment based on his interactions.
And he's dodging my question. I don't like that.
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We're still talking about how I accused you of being scum with MadCitrus, you flipped me this, and since then getting any explanation how you "seemingly dissolved" any such wagon has been cryptic, dodgy, and confusing for me?
Can we pretend (or really just acknowledge) that I'm super dense and can I get a succinct explanation how your (in my opinion, suspicious) rebuttal makes a lick of sense?
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Hmm.
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I don't know if the appeal to emotion is starting to get to me as genuine. And yet I have a problem with the tone of the resignation.
Citrus rest assured someone's going to hammer you if it comes to the end of day.
A part of me wants to flip MadCitrus just because info:
If MadCitrus is town, I'm suspicious of { SleepyKrew, hiplop, Wolfy, leviathan }
If MadCitrus is scum, I'm suspicious of { Natirasha, hiplop, Klazam, Konowa }
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Citrus is relatively new to the site; I'm having trouble seeing scumCitrus (any scum, really) WIFOM the fact that he likely has a QT, pretend he doesn't, and hope no one calls him out for how silly it would be for scum to pretend they don't have a QT and hope that convinces people. As a ploy it seems extremely risky. It's a weird thing to say as town though as well. Why would townCitrus automatically think that we would believe him?
I don't know if the appeal to emotion is starting to get to me as genuine. And yet I have a problem with the tone of the resignation.
Citrus rest assured someone's going to hammer you if it comes to the end of day.
A part of me wants to flip MadCitrus just because info:
If MadCitrus is town, I'm suspicious of { SleepyKrew, hiplop, Wolfy, leviathan }
If MadCitrus is scum, I'm suspicious of { Natirasha, hiplop, Klazam, Konowa }
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Why ? It's not mutually exclusive. His actions make him seem like he's scum regardless of Citrus's alignment. Which is why I'd rather kill him today. For instance, SK is on the first list because his actions don't make a lot of sense as bussing but he could be scum pushing the wagon on MC. Hiplop was off of MC's first wagon and his recent postings towards MadCitrus coupled with his poor OMGUS-flavored attack just seems like someone putting a slight effort to appear pro-town. If MC is scum, he gets brownie points and if MC is town, he was one of 7 people to kill him.
It doesn't but Zoidberg's departure makes little sense as scum, so I'm not looking heavily into your slot at the moment.
Chaining lynches is bad :/
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They're in regards to mostly their interaction with MC. I have a long standing opinion that hiplop could be scum either way the wind blows in regards to MC and admittedly that played a bit into my statement.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I plan on looking if we lynch MC (because if there's no hiplop support soon I'm going to hammer if no one else does.)
Zoidberg's attack on MadCitrus was pretty focused. I doubt you and he are scum together; if he turns up town admittedly Zoidy looks worse and I'd have to take a closer look.
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Can I get an answer to my question from 602 plz? Struggling to find why you think a wagon on a player, that several people have put in the town column, because of OMGUS-y reasons is an awesome idea.
Can I get an answer to my question from 602 plz? Struggling to find why you think a wagon on a player, that several people have put in the town column, because of OMGUS-y reasons is an awesome idea.
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ZZZX is pretty null for me. I do wish he'd post more, right now I see he's on V/LA so I don't know. His content levels are pretty comparable with some of the other players, but I got a pro-town impression from his first few posts. I will take a look but I think I really need him to post more before he'll jump out as being a better target than others.
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I kind of feel like hiplop's first posts were made in an attempt to appear helpful. Very little, if any of hiplop's posts have made me go "Yeah! That right there! That's the stuff!"
Regarding ZZZX, in my mind it's not really much different from Nati's lack of commitment...or Wolfy's underwhelming presence...or Levi's underwhelming presence...or Konowa's disappearance...or Maestro's lack of doing anything at all...
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I don't actually remember what exactly made me think ZZZX leaning town. There's not a lot of meat to his posts.
To ZZZX:
How's this coming along?
In a pinch I'd vote Maestro, but at the moment it's looking like it'll be MadCitrus or hiplop. Are either of those interesting?
To ZZZX:
How's this coming along?
In a pinch I'd vote Maestro, but at the moment it's looking like it'll be MadCitrus or hiplop. Are either of those interesting?
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Pretty sure he's not calling you the towniest townie to ever town here. In fact, this set is everyone who goes from weak-town reads to null. (according to 428, also this post has his town reads).
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It's a figure of speech, I mean finding out who the scum are. Someone (Citrus, I believe) used it earlier and I liked it.
Hiplop's alignment is a good place to start.
Almost all of hiplop's posts appeared to be someone trying to be helpful while not actively doing anything productive. Any attempt I had at questioning hiplop was either ignored, confused, unclear, or met with sarcastic riposte. Any attempt at clarification was ignored. I didn't find him to be particularly helpful. I didn't exactly spell it out with neon lights but I've hinted at this world view all throughout the day so it is not like there was absolutely no case whatsoever on hiplop. If I was wrong all along, I'm just a
I'm not sure about the others on the wagon though; I'll admit my own read made it harder for me to be critical of his forming wagon.
Hiplop's alignment is a good place to start.
Almost all of hiplop's posts appeared to be someone trying to be helpful while not actively doing anything productive. Any attempt I had at questioning hiplop was either ignored, confused, unclear, or met with sarcastic riposte. Any attempt at clarification was ignored. I didn't find him to be particularly helpful. I didn't exactly spell it out with neon lights but I've hinted at this world view all throughout the day so it is not like there was absolutely no case whatsoever on hiplop. If I was wrong all along, I'm just a
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Well this is an interesting mechanic. I like it. It's good to be alive, I guess
I wish I had done something different with my shot though, but hindsight, eh. I'm guessing from here on out it's just a normal game, but who knows. Maybe we get to shoot each other some more!
I picked MadCitrus. My confidence is pretty shot.
I wish I had done something different with my shot though, but hindsight, eh. I'm guessing from here on out it's just a normal game, but who knows. Maybe we get to shoot each other some more!
I picked MadCitrus. My confidence is pretty shot.
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Cuz you are?
I tried to pick someone who I thought might get targeted by other people. Also knowing his alignment should be helpful for going back to his wagon and seeing the progression. I honestly was still on the fence about him and I took a long time deciding who to shoot but eventually I figured he would be a good choice.
I tried to pick someone who I thought might get targeted by other people. Also knowing his alignment should be helpful for going back to his wagon and seeing the progression. I honestly was still on the fence about him and I took a long time deciding who to shoot but eventually I figured he would be a good choice.
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I wouldn't be surprised if SK shot Nati.
↑ leviathan93 wrote:why would it help it if he was targeted by other people?
I wasn't sure if having 10 people die N1 was a good idea
↑ leviathan93 wrote:I had a good feeling he was town and that it almost would have been better to have him alive then dead.
I would doubt his alignment.
↑ leviathan93 wrote:also who was saying maestro was scum?
Aegor was pushing him, ZZZX was voting him.
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hmm.
Wolfy seems opportunistic. Still not sure why he jumped on Aegor at the end. Possibly avoiding being on the incorrect hiplop wagon?
leviathan jumps on late to the party of all three wagons, apparently the most opportunistic, but that's a lot of misfires for scum.
Klazam appears town but in the back of my head I'm concerned about the confidence of his reads.
I think ika's town.
I'm rusty on balance, I think there might be one scum left, though two might be possible considering all the shots fired, but that does seem like a lot.
Anyone think a massclaim would be helpful at this point?
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hmm.
Wolfy seems opportunistic. Still not sure why he jumped on Aegor at the end. Possibly avoiding being on the incorrect hiplop wagon?
leviathan jumps on late to the party of all three wagons, apparently the most opportunistic, but that's a lot of misfires for scum.
Klazam appears town but in the back of my head I'm concerned about the confidence of his reads.
I think ika's town.
I'm rusty on balance, I think there might be one scum left, though two might be possible considering all the shots fired, but that does seem like a lot.
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re: confidence
+ your stance on ZZZX
+ your movement in regards to MadCitrus (switching to ZZZX and back to MadCitrus)
The quote could be scum knowing hiplop is town wanting to appear reluctant, hence the "confidence." There's some little things that bother me but apparently reading based on things that bother me has proved detrimental so far.
+ your stance on ZZZX
+ your movement in regards to MadCitrus (switching to ZZZX and back to MadCitrus)
The quote could be scum knowing hiplop is town wanting to appear reluctant, hence the "confidence." There's some little things that bother me but apparently reading based on things that bother me has proved detrimental so far.
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↑ leviathan93 wrote:
i would see that wolfy seems suspicious, but the fact that he shot nati a mafia makes me think hes town.
Seriously? I can think of 3 reasons why this is terrible logic and I've already presented one of them.
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Of course everyone's going to claim town.
But we went from 7 to lynch to 3 to lynch overnight. I'm not exactly sure how to proceed because A) I've been pisspoor so far with my reads B) rusty and C) voting for anyone right away could be dangerous. Our power rolls don't need to be super hidden for days anymore, so I'd personally like to hear from everyone and get everyone's cards out on the table.
But we went from 7 to lynch to 3 to lynch overnight. I'm not exactly sure how to proceed because A) I've been pisspoor so far with my reads B) rusty and C) voting for anyone right away could be dangerous. Our power rolls don't need to be super hidden for days anymore, so I'd personally like to hear from everyone and get everyone's cards out on the table.
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I am a vanilla townie.
I thought this was a mountainous game. Everyone who is a vanilla townie would have one more piece of information (that they themselves were also a townie) but the scum don't have this, thus they could believe there were power roles.
I believe that scum might have wanted to claim a power role.
Levi's claim is unverifiable.
There's also only one way to know this for certain.
Very suspicious of Levi right now.
I thought this was a mountainous game. Everyone who is a vanilla townie would have one more piece of information (that they themselves were also a townie) but the scum don't have this, thus they could believe there were power roles.
I believe that scum might have wanted to claim a power role.
Levi's claim is unverifiable.
There's also only one way to know this for certain.
Very suspicious of Levi right now.
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Aegor, Townie, killed Night 1 | (Mafia Kill) |
Konowa, Townie, killed Night 1 | Leviathan |
MadCitrus, Townie, killed Night 1 | Save the Dragons |
Riddleton, Mafia, killed Night 1 | (Aegor) |
Natirasha, Mafia, killed Night 1 | Wolfy, (Sleepy Krew) |
SleepyKrew, Townie, killed Night 1 | Leviathan |
ZZZX, Townie, killed Night 1 | Ika, Klazam |
Leaves ZZZX, MadCitrus, and Konowa's kills unaccounted for (the parenthesis are my guesses).
Although it's also possible that they were hunting for PRs and went after Sleepy Krew or someone else. Hmm.
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↑ leviathan93 wrote:
how is there no way to know this for certain? =P
I'm pretty sure we DO know that.
there were 13 of us. 2 scum are dead. there are usually 3 scum in a game of 13 to keep things balanced, plus with me being able to kill AND heal it gives a helpful chance to scum if I choose wrong which I did twice night 1.
3 scum:
In a game of 13 players, we lynch 1, there's 12. If that's a scum, that's 10 shots getting fired, the game could end N1 just because all the scum got shot. If that's a town (as it was), still 9 shots getting fired.
The chances that the scum get wiped seems plausible. Thus, 4 scum might balance the game, since few were likely to survive night one, especially since the shots were compulsory. But 4/13 does seem a little high. I don't think 4 scum would be my immediate conclusion but there's no reason to rule it out 100% (unless you already know how many scum there are).
It seems odd to have just one power role, but it would not be impossible, nor would it be impossible for scum to claim VT.
Hence the hesitation, otherwise I'd be voting you right now.
↑ leviathan93 wrote:duhh my claim is unverifiable. i killed two people and everyone else is dead. =P all of your guys' claims of who you shot is unverifiable as well. should I be suspicious of y'all too? Of course I am.
You're the only one who claimed paranoid doctor. The PR is the claim that's unverifiable. Clearly the shots are unverifiable (but you were willing to call Wolfy town for his claim that he shot Nati, so...).
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Was your kill compulsory?
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Was your kill compulsory?
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Levi why did you decide to claim first?
Which one and why?
↑ leviathan93 wrote:again. i will iterate this again and again. =P when i die and flip. lynch someone on my wagon.
Which one and why?
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↑ leviathan93 wrote:I was not the first to claim and everyone was claiming vanilla. so either some people are lying or I was literally the only pr in this set up.
ika claimed D1 unprompted.
You claimed 781.
Wolfy claimed 783
Klazam claimed 784
ika reiterated 787
STD claimed 788
Everyone claimed vanilla after you claimed.
Don't dodge my question. Who do you think the scum is and why?
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Klazam:
Why am I scum?
What things has levi said since the claim that caused you to change your mind?
ika:
Are you deadset on no-lynch? I don't really see the benefit; there's no guarantee that anything will happen tonight. If we're wrong today, we'll either be shooting each other tonight and who knows what the hell will happen, or we'll just be in lylo tomorrow like normal, thus we deny the option to take out one player from the equation. We'll have to pick from 4 instead of 3.
If we're right, we win. I like winning.
Why am I scum?
What things has levi said since the claim that caused you to change your mind?
ika:
Are you deadset on no-lynch? I don't really see the benefit; there's no guarantee that anything will happen tonight. If we're wrong today, we'll either be shooting each other tonight and who knows what the hell will happen, or we'll just be in lylo tomorrow like normal, thus we deny the option to take out one player from the equation. We'll have to pick from 4 instead of 3.
If we're right, we win. I like winning.
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I don't think we're in lylo today.
I really don't think that levi's role claim fits in the set up. I'm not sure I like his scumhunting since the claim. I think his ika vote isn't very genuine; despite stating that scum are on his wagon, he's still voting ika. He's found on wagons of all three town players who were rung up yesterday, never the first to jump on. His votes seem opportunistic. Despite claiming he doesn't scum hunt, just town hunts, he's accused people of being scum D1. Not sure I buy his reasoning for shooting SK.
The mod knew this game was going to last only a couple of days. Why even bother having an alternating night role? I suppose it's a bastard setup so the mod could just be fucking with us. The mod certainly could have decided "let's put in one power role."
If you were a power role, would you claim first, unprompted? Or would you try to wait?
I'm not really seeing a case on anyone else nor any good reason I should move my vote.
I really don't think that levi's role claim fits in the set up. I'm not sure I like his scumhunting since the claim. I think his ika vote isn't very genuine; despite stating that scum are on his wagon, he's still voting ika. He's found on wagons of all three town players who were rung up yesterday, never the first to jump on. His votes seem opportunistic. Despite claiming he doesn't scum hunt, just town hunts, he's accused people of being scum D1. Not sure I buy his reasoning for shooting SK.
The mod knew this game was going to last only a couple of days. Why even bother having an alternating night role? I suppose it's a bastard setup so the mod could just be fucking with us. The mod certainly could have decided "let's put in one power role."
If you were a power role, would you claim first, unprompted? Or would you try to wait?
I'm not really seeing a case on anyone else nor any good reason I should move my vote.
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*sigh* I'm still alive, damnit.
K. Of the two of you left I know who I think it is but apparently my reads just suck so I'm going to wait a bit and try to look back at the game.
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Does townie typically mean pro-town? I try to use the word townie only when refering to vanilla, and I find it odd Thesp would refer to pro-town in one and townie in another situation.
If so, some of the flipped townies could have been power roles? I shouldn't have tried to guess the setup.
K. Of the two of you left I know who I think it is but apparently my reads just suck so I'm going to wait a bit and try to look back at the game.
Also,
Does townie typically mean pro-town? I try to use the word townie only when refering to vanilla, and I find it odd Thesp would refer to pro-town in one and townie in another situation.
If so, some of the flipped townies could have been power roles? I shouldn't have tried to guess the setup.
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All your D3 posts are pretty devoid of content. I think you've done a bit of buddying/sheeping all game which concerns me.
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Thanks, Thesp, that was a fun game!
I almost shot Wolfy N1, and I almost shot Maestro, but ultimately I thought if only one of them were to die, MadCitrus would garner the most information. But killing someone likely to die seemed like a good plan with so many kills happening, though great lot of good it did us.
I wish levi had claimed townie so we could have just moved on, he was a town read for me until he lied, and I would have been like "well that didn't work lol." The fact that ika said "Townie = pro-town" on D3 made me go hmmm. Even so I'm really not sure what would have happened. I wished D3 would have gone on a bit longer but to be honest with the way I was wrong about everything I didn't really want to be the decider in lylo. I think we had a chance albeit a small one. But since I was wrong about anything I can't really blame anyone but myself, and I think town played well to get to where we were but we made a few mistakes. Ika did a great job. I wasn't too suspicious of Nati. Maestro was deadweight and doomed with this setup.
I almost shot Wolfy N1, and I almost shot Maestro, but ultimately I thought if only one of them were to die, MadCitrus would garner the most information. But killing someone likely to die seemed like a good plan with so many kills happening, though great lot of good it did us.
I wish levi had claimed townie so we could have just moved on, he was a town read for me until he lied, and I would have been like "well that didn't work lol." The fact that ika said "Townie = pro-town" on D3 made me go hmmm. Even so I'm really not sure what would have happened. I wished D3 would have gone on a bit longer but to be honest with the way I was wrong about everything I didn't really want to be the decider in lylo. I think we had a chance albeit a small one. But since I was wrong about anything I can't really blame anyone but myself, and I think town played well to get to where we were but we made a few mistakes. Ika did a great job. I wasn't too suspicious of Nati. Maestro was deadweight and doomed with this setup.
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