Micro 376: Chosen Mafia - Game Over = Perfect Town Win

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I.. um.

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It just feels rather jarring.

pssst.

hey tso.


THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL AP. HOW CAN YOU NOT TELL THAT....

i will fucking quote this shit later.

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my first impression is that I don't trust Guilty Gunsmith.

lol... alright. I'll bite.

Why?

p-edit: Just pretend the other game doesn't exist and never existed. Don't even mention it.

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oh there we go.

Flubber, what would you grade your reading comprehension out of 10?

TSO ily, have I told you that lately?

ETL

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oh hey everybody, i'm here!

also, i'm not signing my posts, deal with it.

Please tell me this is Antihero cuz I've got words for you.

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lol... you have to turn it on in display preferences. AP quote me. I'm going to go play league.

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TSO - I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It LOOKS scummy, but it ISN'T ACTUALLY.

Instead of insulting my reading ability, please try improving yours. I'll use the Socratic method to do this.

Why did you feel it looked scummy?

Holycrap TSO, are you serious?

If you don't want me to imply that you aren't reading, don't ask me questions I've already answered.....

could easily be interpreted as scummy, since it inherently comes off as defensive and distance-y

Since can be substituted with "because", if it makes it simpler for you to read.

ETL

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TSO - my intention was never to insult you but I am having a really hard time understanding what your confusion is and I don't know how else to explain it any better.

p-edit:

the playerlist. Like, half my ideal micro is in three slots.

I KNOW, RIGHT?!??!

Votecount 1.9:

Josh_B - [2] - Guilty Gunsmith, T S O
T S O - [2] - ZZZX, BlueBloodedToffee
ZZZX - [1] - Corrino

Not voting - [4] - awestfie, Flubbernugget, Josh_B, Heartless

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-08-25 14:39:13)

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Oh I see, ok.

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you were shit in 2014, I took it as a once-off, but you're even worse here.

Don't ever insult my partner like this again.

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Which is completely true, ETL, so don't attempt to say I insulted him. He can't read me. At all.

I don't care. You made a sweeping evaluation of his skill. I have more faith in his skill than yours right now, so stop it. I'm serious.

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are you serious... now we're an option? you're so full of shit.

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print out the damn thread and take it home with you! dont give me this "but i dun know whats goin on you see!" nonsense. get in the game and read me correctly or else I will assume there is a reason you aren't.

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I'm trying to finish this last report before I get too many hours overtime and then driving home. Give me 20 minutes.

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(EtL this is me suggesting that we should consider wagoning Flubber with Swifty and Heartless unless you are opposed)

Yeah do it. I'm retarded. Better company there as well.

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Flashwagonging

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TSO i dont understand what you are doing.

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afaik he was decently active in Faith Plus One.

Like hell he was.

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Sorry for slip, again. But TSO - I am interested in having a neutral chat with you. I really am. But I'm busy as fuck at the moment at work. So, hold those thoughts for me until I get home, ok?

p-edit: hi anti. bye anti.

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I don't have time for shrieking. I'll get to it later when I respond to LC's post.

You're way outside the game, Anti. Like ... in the Oort cloud. That's how far removed I feel you are.

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i'm not going to be as active as i usually am, etl. that's the fact of the matter.

i'm not sure who Oort is, but it sounds pretty nice about now

Jan Oort. Major badass in the astrophysics field. Google him. Be amazed. Fall in love. Cry.

And I know that. I'm not talking about that. But ok.

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sthar, you're being kind of dumb. just so you know. and briefly, you're twisting our ISO and leaving out necessary parts, like the fact that AP wasn't policy lynching TSO at all. He posted specific reasons in that post you cited but you failed to even mention them because it went against the point you were trying to push. That's not ok.

Also, if you're going to crusade against us, I hope you are ready to face the consequences when we flip town. I literally cannot wait to see what your excuse will be.

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I thought you two hated TSO forever now and were unwilling to engage him on anything? What happened to that policy lynch?

That was AP. Pretty clearly. And as I already stated, he wasn't policy lynching TSO only for the sake of a policy lynch. That's quite far from the truth, so I'm wondering just what the fuck you're trying to pull here. I want to get inside TSO's head and figure him out for real.

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They even tried to set me and Jingle against each other, twice, which has worked precisely never.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


wut?

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I'm sorry you're scum.

plz stop being dum.

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just a little frustrated with this game anti. you urged me to look at flubber to the point of blackmailing us on your read for it. i look at flubber, go yeah ok. but now it's bbt. so.. i dont know.

i want to lynch LC. I want to lynch flubber. that's all i want to do today. well that and i want you to focus a little please and talk to tth. like, i feel like you're going nuts.

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Fuck you sthar. You got your shit, I got mine.

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Their townread on us evaporated as soon as we started defending TSO.

who was a scumread at that time.

imagine that.

being suspicious of someone defending your scum read.

what world is this.

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i'll respond to you shortly.

but you're being terrible.

misrepping me incredibly.

that is NOT. OK.

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EtL Cat is town, move on.

NO. He's attacking me with bullshit. You think townSthar does that?

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sorry sthar. i am under a lot of stress. i will address your last few posts later. with beer.

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My townread on awestfie was very much shaken by her latest series of posts.

-TTH

yes. ap quote please.

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Don't like his (her?) voting patterns and lack of scumhunting. I will quote later.

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who am i?

what am i doing?

not saying hi to me, that's what.

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I SAW YOU ONLINE YOU DAMN CAT.

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I haven't read shit in this game, ETL. Like 10 pages behind. I'll make sthar8 do shit after he feeds me, but he's doing important things right now. Like feeding me.

Better be catfood.

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What a fucking load of shitty conf bias ... jesus. Fuck you. Lynch us then you fucking scumfuck.

I'm done with this.

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Uh... what do you think he would claim???

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We are the most likely veto'd here, so I leave this in the event of our death:

If scumflip, BBT makes most sense as partner to be perfectly honest, and look at LC/off-lynch voters.
If townflip-not chosen, refer to off-lynch voters, including TSO and hammer vote.
If townflip-chosen, Heartless confirmed scum.

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EBWOP: if scumflip, look at LC *voters*.

Will quote when i get back to desk.

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Uh... what do you think he would claim???

We are the most likely veto'd here, so I leave this in the event of our death:

• If scumflip, BBT makes most sense as partner to be perfectly honest. Also look at who resisted, people voting for LC, and off-lynch voters (per VC 1.34 and prior).
  
• If townflip-not chosen, refer to off-lynch voters, including TSO and hammer vote.
  
• If townflip-chosen, Heartless confirmed scum. (Edit: LC also high chance of scum in this case due to no qualms about voting here with us.)

EBWOP: if scumflip, look at LC *voters*.

Will quote when i get back to desk.

Quoting and updated posts with edits for clarity.

ETL

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wut...

ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!


I'M ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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shuttup and vote BBT

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K so here is the thing about BBT.

Hes probably town.

!

from now on i'm instituting a hydra policy where no one says anything about a read until we agree on it.

so come talk to me.

also, no one is going to vote LC swifty. the only thing you are doing is masking your motivation by vote parking. that's pretty scummy, jsyk.

p-edit: also that's why. scum lc would try to sell it as a bus.

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maybe not sell it as a bus but definitely have their own agenda and make it look like they are listening to town reads when they aren't.

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It's either, a) Lying Cat or b) ZZZX.

A) I don't need to explain.
B) Flubber called him chosen for absolutely no reason. I don't even need to talk about his inactivity right now, we'll see what happens today.

If neither of them are scum, then whatever; I'd say it's probably GG, if that were to happen. BBT's town and I'm never voting him; that's all I know for sure.

these are all... extremely terrible.

guyett is my houseplant. jingle is my honeypot.

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HEY FRUITBAT...

TSO DED.

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Says the one who agreed with me yesterday.

how do you even have a 2012 join date and have such bad reads and such bad reasoning for those reads and no concept of why people are starting think you are scum?

P-EDIT JESUS CHRIST AP. stahp

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Actually opportunity strikes. AP, can you explain your townread on BBT in detail?

Its not really in depth at all.

I just find it extremely

un

likely that

scum

NEWBSCUM

would post such scummy nonsense in defense of a buddy. Not in that way.

FFS.

can you quote my shit please? and turn on the damn site chat so i can yell at you there instead?

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ummmm... so you don't want to read the posts, and you don't like anyone, and you're not having fun, and you don't want to put in any effort, so why did you not replace out?

idgi.

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You guys are all playing this game with your heart in your sleeve and don't care about anything else.

I'm pretty sure that everyone I would consider some of the best players on the site just lynched scum on D1...

AP. WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME!?

I

just finished a scumgame with zzzx

HE. IS. NOT. SCUM. Unvote him right now.

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wow. that's pretty unacceptable...

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wow. that's pretty unacceptable...

So is this hydra slip.

you're supposed to be unvoting z and quoting me.

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Wat... no.

AP when have I ever been susceptible to buddying? Why do you not trust me?

And Z we are not voting you - why are you OMGUSing? That was all AP.

ETL

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BBT's interactions with flubber were actually interesting. The kind of thing you expect a scum partner to do when he knows its too late. But again that was what I thought at first.

Why wouldnt flubber self hammer if that was the goal"? Then again BBT might have wanted the town cred. Again this can only be explained by isoing him.

I will do that later.

the problem this game is that I have no idea who is scum and thus I dont have much of an opinion to share. things are too shadowed for me to understand. Sorry about it.

i dont care if you think it's shitty, AP, scum zz would never say honest shit like this. he tries to be a weasel.

go read any ETL/Snork game I've played with him, and match my instant and everlasting read on him with his actual alignment.

and then go find anyone else on the site who can say the same.

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yeah and then you explain how scum Z can come up with reads without a problem because he doesn't know how to scum waffle.

i mean jeez.. that newbie just ended and i was pulling my hair out about his "solid reads".

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ok, so BBT is scum...

like... this isn't rocket science AP, what's the disconnect for you here?

This post sucks.

Hey AP. It's the same reasoning I was giving you on sitechat for why BBT is scum.

Stahp okey... for serious. Please vote BBT.

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Just "NOOOO YOU'RE WRONG. BBT'S TOWN AND ZZZX IS SCUM."

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And "If BBT flips town, we lynch ZZZX okay?" to which I say "No don't be silly."

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Go eat a street burrito.

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Hold on to your pants, yall. AP is in waffle meltdown mode and we are having a family meeting.

Please don't hammer yet.

On the very slight chance BBT actually flips town, I'd like to make sure the rest of our reads are posted and easy to understand.

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1 or 2 Mafia vs. 2 Chosen is a town win.

Jesus why didn't I think of this. There is literally no way scum can win unless we mislynch chosen townies.

AP, vote no lynch please.

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The scum can't kill the chosen, they have to lynch them. Let them kill people, while we no lynch to victory.

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Are you shitting me sthar? Mr. I no-lynch-no-kill-3-days-in-a-row because that was the way to win!?

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In order for the town to perform a no-lynch, you would have to first ignore the part where I said you couldn't no-lynch and then embarrass yourselves trying to do it even though you can't.

i'm a fucking dipshit

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Resisting the scum lynch....

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BBT is at L-1

And... how long has he been at L-1 without a hammer....

No on your ZZZX conclusion, yes on your Josh conclusion.

I'm at work until 9 pm ish tonight and have lots of homework beyond this. Getting to this for me will likely be tomorrow.

Quickly though, I feel that you have a very healthy dose of confbias going on. Great process, and I like what you're doing, but you're not being as objective as you should be and you're ignoring clear signals and mafia theory that should be fairly straight-forward, such as the fact that BBT spend all of yesterday resisting Flubber's wagon while

never giving an actual read on the slot

and then suddenly hammering out of nowhere.

1) Why would a townie flatly refuse a wagon without real reason and yet not be able to produce a concrete read on the person??
2) Why would the same townie then discard all of that huff and puff only to hammer the wagon? It's not like there weren't any other options that people were considering.

That's all. I need to go back to work now. The only reason I'm online is to make sure I don't fall behind here and elsewhere, but I don't have the time to type out long posts like this without also falling behind on my quota. ILY but I'm sorry, please don't rush me into a post that could be made tomorrow.

ETL

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k whatever. go ahead and vote whoever i dont care.

just get this over with. this game is stalling and no one is relenting so i will relent and then be all "i told you so" when this is over.

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you're on AP.

Does that mean if he flips scum you'll send me $200?

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Votecount 2.12:

BlueBloodedToffee - [2] - Josh_B, Hostile Intent
Josh_B - [2] - BlueBloodedToffee, ZZZX
ZZZX - [1] - Heartless
Lying Cat - [1] - Guilty Gunsmith

Not voting - [1] - Lying Cat

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-10 17:11:03)

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Jesus christ. Why did we have to fight so hard for that... against sthar and AP.... -.-

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I have a post-game typed, but ETL will bury me alive if I put it up before wicked confirms.

Yes I would <3

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Well played guys.

This game was a train wreck.

Sooo shame on you BBT!

For real tho - in the future, don't give it up until the mod returns. Its just bad manners.

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XD veto'd!

<3 AP you're not allowed to doubt me ever again

Awesome game. I have more to say when I'm not mobile and getting ready for work/school.

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Was there anything in the scum PT? Is there a dead PT?

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This game was a lot of fun, and ooey the playerlist!

First, I want to apologize to both the players and to Wicked for hydra-slipping without reservation. Second, thanks, Wicked, for the excellent moderation. This game was awesome! <3

Anti - you're the best. I love playing with you cuz I can tell when you're scum, and when you're town we're on the same wavelength. I know I can count on your support and that's such a big thing. <3

AP/LC - ily guys so much! But occam's razor went on vacation. Trust your town reads more. XD

ZZZX - don't be so lurky. I was like the only one townreading you. Your town game is pretty distinct but no one can see if it you aren't around.

TTH - I loved a lot of the analysis you were doing and you were on the right track. Don't let paranoia eat you alive and remember to trust your instincts. When you start to question your own firm beliefs, things will fall apart. Hold on to your solid townreads until it no longer makes sense.

Flubber/BBT - I'm sorry! XD I couldn't say it at the time, but Flubber's game here was so totally and completely different from the newbie. It wasn't until I actually compared the two that I realized Anti was right. Also, Flubber, don't address your partner like that in the thread. BBT, I think you did a really good job of shaking my read towards the end. I just kept coming back to your defense of Flubber, followed by the hammer. Defending your partner is fine, as long as it makes sense. You made some good points, but then your hammer didn't track. If you'd stayed off the wagon, I wouldn't have thought as hard about it. The defense was the biggest thing, but the hammer solidified the read.

Josh B - your genuine honesty showed through your posts (for me) and being easily read is a good skill to have. Keep that up and the rest will follow.

awestfie - You were doing really well at first, with decent analysis and good questions, but then you completely shut down. I know it gets rough sometimes but working through it with your townreads is better than rage-quitting. With a little work on your attitude, I think you'd be an amazing player.

TSO - I'm sorry I picked on you. I just needed to figure you out. I'm sorry you died instead of us.

Hostile Intent - I don't really have much to say but it was a pleasure playing with you. XD

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oh yeah i forgot to comment on the flavor.

it was perfectly clever and funny!

I enjoyed it immensely

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BBT just end it ffs.

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I thought that mostly you were playing with ETL, and not the rest of us,

Yes he was...

PLAYING WITH MY SANITY.

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I WANT TO SEE THE QTS

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You can but no one will have access to it unless Wicked unlocks it for us.

Why did you choose to veto us?

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Oh... he actually used quicktopic. I thought it was a PT.

*reading*

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Lol free eye gouging..

POKE YOU IN THE EYE