Micro 376: Chosen Mafia - Game Over = Perfect Town Win

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: GG

Coz AP.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

3 pages of fluff. Nice.

I'm down for quick-lynching Josh B.

VOTE: Josh B

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you were scum who would you veto and why.?

I'd prob veto GG. Mainly because I think AP is considered to be quite a good player across the site so I would like to be able to NK him in confidence. Also because I don't know many of the other players either.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm really not liking your posts, so far; and I don't have to point at them; because I genuinely just don't like any of your posts, up to this point.

Not sure what to make of either of the hydras right now.

When and why did this read change?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But, since he pointed it out to me that most of his posts were drivel; I've changed my mind on it. (Read 55 and 110.)

BBT, I'm curious as to what reads you've, right now?

You couldn't determine for yourself that their posts were drivel? I'm struggling to believe that.

Don't have many reads yet, will accumulate them as I participate in the game more.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aren't you still calling me scum?

I mean, I don't think a Flubber-TSO team is -at all- likely, but you seem to think it is.

Why is a TSO-Flubber scum-team so unlikely?

Unvote
Vote: Josh_B

I don't really see the other two.

So because someone says 'Hey, scum is x,y or z' you feel the need to vote one of those three choices? You can't make your mind up for yourself? You don't think scum exists outside of those three people?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I obviously know I'm Town.

Aside from that, Flubber's entrance of calling me scum, wildly misinterpreting my posts and then backing down is so blatantly not-partner.

That's right. You 'know' you're town. I don't. You're also right with the Flubber thing, I mean, I've never seen newbscum badly try to bus their partner and then back off at the start of the game. Never.

That totally rules you two out of being a scum-team. /sarcasm

I thought you were implying there was some sort of associative tell you were using that says you and Flubber could not be scum. I'd just policy lynch your ass for using associative tells with next to no information. I wanted clarification.

I didn't like Josh.
GG didn't like Josh either.

I voted Josh, because he is really the only person I'm scumreading atm (excluding you).

What part of this do you feel is problematic?

You don't think scum exists outside of those three people?

I specifically said I did not think the other two were scum - so yes, it seems fairly obvious I do.

Hmm. I feel like you know what I meant by my post. So either you're playing dumb, or your reading comprehension isn't very good.

The bold part is exactly what I was getting at. If you're scum-reading me, why are you happy to go with what seems to be other people's choices of a lynch as opposed to your own? You should try to think independently, otherwise, you look like scum. You're welcome.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

*Stares at TSO*

What?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I disliked your first post a lot.
I also disliked your second post a lot.

You seem to be chainsawing me for voting Josh.
Hence, a Josh-BBT scumteam is my best guess right now.

Do you have an issue with the logic I'm using?

How can you dislike a RVS post?

Second post was fluff, adding to all the previous fluff.

Nah, I haven't even decided if you're town or scum yet. I was questioning some of your posts; am I not allowed to this without being considered scum? Are you one of those really defensive type of people?

Other than that, your logic is good.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Of course not. I have no problem with being questioned; however, the manner in which you did it is the problem.

The 'manner in which I did it' would infer that you're referring to my playstyle as opposed to the content. Can you clarify?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The manner in which you did it has nothing to do with your playstyle; rather, your alignment is what I'm calling into question.

I can clear this up for you. I'm town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, I'm not satisfied.

Why exactly did you feel the need to;

a) vote within those three choices
b) vote there and then

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Personally, I somewhat dislike BlueBloodedToffee's random unvote in Post 153 (link) and his reactions to TSO's questioning seem very nervous.

Not so random when you see the votecount right above my unvote.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whoa, what is going on here? Since when was I defending JB? Please note the quotes below (in particular the bolded sections);

Spoiler: What BBT actually said

So because someone says 'Hey, scum is

x,y or z

' you feel the need to vote

one of those three choices

? You can't make your mind up for yourself? You don't think scum exists

outside of those three people?

If you're scum-reading me, why are you happy to go with what seems to be

other people's choices

of a lynch as opposed to your own? You should try to think independently, otherwise, you look like scum. You're welcome.

a) vote within those three choices

Note the use of plurals. This would imply that had TSO voted for JB, ZZZX or FN I would have asked the same question. I thought my stance on the situation and the direction my questioning was coming from was fairly obvious, my bad, it clearly wasn't.

I mean, at first I thought this was some sort of reaction test you were trying but I'm beginning to think you're purposefully trying to misrepresent my posts.

You still didn't answer this either.

Also, I'm not satisfied.

Why exactly did you feel the need to;

a) vote within those three choices
b) vote there and then

You're grasping here and you're misrepresenting me pretty badly.

VOTE: TSO

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whoa, what is going on here? Since when was I defending JB?

Since you came in and attacked me straight after I had began to attack him.

Since I came in and attacked you over making a bad vote. Fixed that for you.

Clearly, if you felt JB was a good vote, you would not have done this.

You don't have an opinion on JB, or on anyone, but you're still trying to tell me it was a bad vote.

That's absolutely disgusting logic.

How is it? I have explained why it was a bad vote, it was

the situation and the circumstances

in which you voted that I had a problem with. Not the person you voted for.

Yeah, I'm not going to let you pull this either.
There is no proof that you would have done this, other than your word.

I mean, I don't know how I can make this any more clear. Do you see the stuff I bolded? Do you see how it may be relevant to what you're saying here? Do you see how I can't go back in time (edit) my posts to make it look this way in light of what you're accusing me of?

The proof is right fucking there. In

big, black bold letters

.

This is why, in my opinion, you either can't read or haven't done so yet. I explained this to you before but you managed to miss it. Let's try again.

I did not "feel the need to vote within those three choices." I already had a scumread on Josh. This is documented. This was not a "best of bad choices" pick. This was me, at the time, picking my #1 scumread, and voting him. I was not voting within a group of choices.

I was voting a scumread.

Do you understand this complicated statement?

OK. So you were scum-reading me and JB and you just happened to vote within the lynch pool offered as opposed to somebody else outside of the pool. I guess if he was your '#1' scumread at the time that's a good reason.

If

.

Why did you not vote for JB before you were offered this lynch pool of players?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Spoiler: Time of Vote

Aren't you still calling me scum?

I mean, I don't think a Flubber-TSO team is -at all- likely, but you seem to think it is.

JoshB, ZZZX, and Flubber are the scums.

I will vote within these 3. Im hijacking this hydra for now.

Can people voting elsewhere move to one of these? Thank you.

Unvote
Vote: Josh_B

I don't really see the other two.

3 consecutive posts. All within 5 minutes. With no further posting from JB. You could have voted in 138 if you thought he was scum. But you did it in 140.

The timing and nature of this vote is truly awful.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why exactly did you feel the need to;

b) vote there and then

So yeah, I'm gonna go back and ask this question again which you seem to think you have answered but you actually haven't. Twice.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You could have voted in 138 if you thought he was scum. But you did it in 140.

So, is this really the great and magical conclusion?

Nah. Just a small slice of your scum pie.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

See above.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That banter is super cute and all, but can we do something productive?

BBT, not being a fan of vanity wagons does not equal scum by any stretch.

Tell me about your own scumread on josh, from inception to fall. And where you know AP from. And who your biggest townread is.

-sthar

I just did something productive. TSO is scum...you don't see it?

I'm not scum-reading Josh.

I know AP from an ongoing game.

Biggest town-read is ZZZX.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Josh was your second vote of the game, and looking at VCs you were on the wagon at it's largest point. Are you saying that was a second random vote? Why did you leave it on so long?

It was intended as something to try and get the game going. The quick-lynch comment was tongue-in-cheek.

I completely forgot I had voted for him. Hence the unvote after VC from Mod.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So ZZZX and GG are town.

Leaning town on Josh.

Null on FN. Catch-up posts are so easy to make and pretty much always look pro-town so it gets ignored as far as being alignment indicative. Would like to see more.
Null on awestfie, I need to see some more, gut is telling me something is wrong here.
Need to ISO heartless/LC coz can't get a read on either for some reason.

TSO is scum. Surprised he is still alive.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

TSO, what do you think about LC's defence of you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well yeah the catch up post is town looking, but theres nothing in there for you to springboard off of?

I don't like this. At all. The catch-up post is 'town looking'. I feel like that's a slip.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

TSO, if you are town, we are going to have to work together this game. How do you want to play that?

Flubbernugget, what do you think is our best course of action right now?

Lying Cat what do you think is the best plan?

Why do you keep doing this?

---------------------------------

Heartless' 'meltdown' was weird. Didn't feel genuine at all and I'm really not sure why it was so OTT either.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Happy birthday BlueBloodedToffee! Everyone, wish him a happy birthday.

(Today's vote counts have been added.)

Thanks Mod!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm sure Anti has something to say about this (none of it positive).

But are you going to say anything about why or are you going to leave it to everyone's imaginations?

-TTH

The fact it was so OTT made it feel not genuine. I mean, FN had one vote on him and you were going ballistic because somebody didn't agree with your read on a wagon that had barely got started. The whole situation just felt off.

I don't like this growing wagon on FN. Lynching the most inexperienced player; smells like scum looking for an easy lynch so they can get to their kill.

If you want to talk over the top bitterness, I see a lot coming from TSO for not much reason.

Not sure if this was addressed to me or not but will respond anyway. My vote is already on TSO, not sure how long it's going to stay there though.

Asking people questions?

It's more than asking people questions though isn't it. It looks like buddying, you're asking people for direction instead of trying to figure the game out for yourself. Three separate people as well, so it's not like you even care who it is, just so long as someone is helping you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have to be honest and say I'm struggling with Heartless and it's kind of frustrating me now.

Some of their posting strikes me as town but I can't shake this bad feeling and I think it's mainly from the attack on FN (which does actually include some good points). It just seems such an easy lynch to go after though and it's not sitting right. I'm gonna need some more time.

Town
GG

awestfie
ZZZX

FN
LC

Heartless

JB/TSO
Scum

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@531 I'm sorry. So, because someone's reads don't align with mine that means they're scum? Damn, I need to learn how to play this game.

ZZZX stating intent to L-1? Wtf is that about?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That isn't what I said.

I said your suspicion of Heartless for pushing Flubber is ridiculous when you are strongly townreading the other 2 people who supported a Flubber push.

My reads on yourself and awestfie are not solely based on the FN wagon/suspicion. The only player I'm strongly town-reading is you, hence the gap before awestfie and ZZZX.

I am struggling to read Heartless. I am getting the majority of my read from their push on FN, which I think is a bad wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: LyingCat

Yeah. Let's see where this goes.

Also, all this meta talk is driving me insane. Let's stop that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're so opportunistic.

You vote me and call me obvscum, my wagon dies, you white knight one wagon and then you immediately jump on the other?

This makes no sense.

How was my vote on you opportunistic? I believe I was second on your wagon; was it because I voted for you after ZZZX provided a very insightful, thoughtful and pretty solid case on you and I voted you whilst providing no reasoning whatsoever of my own? Because unless that happened, you're going to have to explain to me how that was opportunistic.

I think if there is one opportunistic (and easy) wagon to get on it is the FN wagon. So, yeah, you're going to have to explain this for me because what you just said is a flat out lie.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

>the criticism of the flubber wagon (even though precisely ZERO fucking

scum

reads came from the wagon)
>the irritatingly long time it's taking to waffle on us
>the vote parking on TSO (a zero accountability vote) for the longest time

and now...

>the random jump onto lying cat with no reads progression following from recent posting

lying cat wasn't anywhere near the flubber wagon. if you want to sit here and

swear up and fucking down that the flubber wagon was on scum

, then your scumreads should follow from that,

but they don't

it's flubber/bbt scumteam

gg

OK.
I'm leaning scum on you from your attack on FN. You can see that from the reads list I provided so I'm not sure why you don't think I got any scum-reads from that wagon.
I'm waffling on you? I don't even know what to say...
I don't usually like to move my vote around a lot. I guess I could have unvoted but meh. I'm not sure how leaving my vote on TSO if a wagon is going nowhere is a scum-tell though.

There has been no progression on my read on LC. They're null.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

oh? so are you "leaning scum" on lying cat now or what? (also "leaning [anything]", is a completely meaningless term that justifies a soft push)

Nah, LC is null. Said that in my previous post I believe.

>flubber's wagon is "easy" (even though it magically disintegrates) but bad boy lying cat wagon is all cool
>lying cat isn't even a scumread
>josh is a scumread and a

bunch

of people talk about him being scum, but

i'll never vote him

>flubber's wagon was

sooooooooooooo

scum driven, but maybe it's not because there's some good points, but heartless is "leaning" scum because

blahablhblahlkdjsaf;jds;lkajf;lkdsajf;lkdsaj;lkfdsajfsalk; /fart

he chose to go after an easy lynch.

seriously, BBT's "reads" are a big, tangled, fucked up web that doesn't connect to the

actions

(the vote patterns).

forget logic. the simple fact of the matter is that he's not pushing the lynch that follows from his reads (josh), he's pushing

a

lynch.

Flubber was an easy target for a lynch, I don't even know why this is being debated. I also don't know why you keep saying it 'magically disintegrated' or language along those lines. Is that somehow relevant?

Correct. LC is not a scum-read.

Josh is a scum-read

but not

for the reasons you have decided it was for. More later.

I feel sure Flubber's wagon was scum-driven; scum can bring up valid points just as well as town can.

You're right, I'm not pushing a lynch on one of my scum-reads right now. Can't disagree with that.

actually, i misspoke earlier.

josh

was the scumread that came from the flubber wagon.

so what is it? what's the reason?

Josh was a scum-read for his buddying and looking for direction in the game. I'm sure you already knew this though; but given it doesn't fit into your case, it can be disregarded right?

If I say the reason, it kind of defeats the object of my vote. Which I no longer care about, so...

I voted LC to try and run her up and see if I could get a better read from their reaction to a growing wagon on them.

I am a little tentative to take you on in this game because of the respect you get from the other players, but fuck it. I'm going with it now. I think I'm right and I'm gonna do it.

VOTE: Heartless

[BlueBloodedToffee]

oh? i read your fucking mind?

Nah. Look at 493 and 514.

You don't need to 'read my fucking mind'. It's right there; in black and white. Had you bothered to look.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

...that's even

more

nonsensical...

so, now you're going to sit here, nitpick at me, and deny that him being on the flubberwagon was a factor at all, even though it should clearly be from your opinion of "flubberwagon was so scummy"

i'm done with you. your scummy colors have already shown.

I gave you my reasons for why I was scum-reading Josh. You tried to suggest it was for other reasons so that they fit into your now falling apart case. That is misrepresenting and misleading.

The flubber wagon was scum-driven.

Scum-driven

. Am I scum-reading GG? No. Am I scum-reading awestfie? No. A lot of my read on you came from that attack on FN and now this awful case you have tried to put together on me.

I'd be done with me as well if I realized I'd just made a pretty bad move.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

like, seriously

ask him why he didn't vote Josh.

the answer so far is "well I wasn't scumreading josh for [reason X you said], it's because of [reason Y you didn't say]."

that doesn't answer the question AND THAT'S NOT A TOWN RESPONSE

Are you serious? Are you actually being serious right now?

I voted LC to try and run her up and see if I could get a better read from their reaction to a growing wagon on them.

I was trying to develop a null read before progressing with the game. If I'd have said 'Hey LC, I don't think I'm looking to lynch you so don't worry about my vote; I'm just looking for your reaction to see if it helps me gain a read on you'. I'm not sure it would have had the desired effect.

The voting for Josh comments are in direct response to your bullshit case. It has nothing to do with my reasoning for voting/not voting. Again, you're being misleading.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

did i ask about lying cat?

did i mention lying cat?

am i now talking about lying cat?

am i talking about a pressure vote?

no.

why was your vote never (and continues to not be) on josh?

Yes.

Yes.

I don't know?

Umm, I don't know?

I thought TSO was scum. Further down, I also developed a scum-read on Josh. It's highly unlikely that both Josh and TSO are scum, one is town and one is scum is where I'm at right now. Before I switched my vote from a 'lead wagon' to Josh, I wanted to try and develop a read on LC. You present awful case on me after trying to push through an easy lynch accompanied with a meltdown. Combining these two aspects leads me to believe you're probably scum.

So now, my vote is on somebody I feel sure is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Heartless - [1] - BlueBloodedToffee

No.

@BBT: Heartless is town. You're very clearly OMGUS-voting them. There's no other reason as far as I can tell. If you want to talk about "wagons that aren't going anywhere" - you're on one.

Scum know who the chosen townies are. I feel heartless' whole case is fabricated; I seriously doubt I was veto'd before the game.

This feels right. If other people read his case on me and my response to it and don't want to lynch him then I'll see where I want to go from there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes, that's why he's pushing anything that has the faintest scent of scum. Because he's scum pushing (more than 2) chosen townies. /sarcasm

Your resistance to the Flubber wagon is suspicious whether you want to believe it or not. You jumping onto Heartless because they pointed this out is suspicious whether you want to believe it or not.

Do I agree with his suspicion of you? Not really. Do I think that makes him scum despite everything else they've done thus far? Absolutely not.

Your vote on Heartless is not only a bad vote in terms of who it's on, but it's not doing anything.

ETL

Aside from FN and myself, who do you think he has pushed?

If nobody else agrees with me and it looks like my vote is wasted, I will consider my other options. I'm not going to sit on him for the rest of D1 if nobody else is going to believe me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're not evaluating their play as a whole. You're only reacting to Anti's vote on you.

I have already said I was struggling to read Heartless before the attack on FN. All I am using to base my read on them is their attack on FN and then their case on me.

"I developed scumreads on both Josh and TSO. I knew they couldn't be scum together, though, so I

began to talk to both of them and did my best to determine which one of them was scum

voteparked on TSO for ages, before I

sorted TSO as town/scum

voted Josh

sorted Josh as town/scum

opportunistically voted some other person after they called me scum."

How are you not voting this guy, ETL?

Everything I do is opportunistic to you. Please tell me how my vote on Heartless is opportunistic. Please.

I have been waiting for you to say this for a while.
I'm going to take your hesitation as a town tell. And I'm going to take anti calling you out on it as a town tell too.

Umm, I said it here;

It's more than asking people questions though isn't it. It looks like buddying, you're asking people for direction instead of trying to figure the game out for yourself. Three separate people as well, so it's not like you even care who it is, just so long as someone is helping you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fine. Nobody wants to lynch Heartless.

VOTE: Josh_B

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What's your stance on GG vs LC again, BBT?

GG is town. I don't really get LC's attack on them but I don't feel like it's coming from a scum perspective. I feel like LC genuinely believe what they're posting, especially in relation to ETL's reaction to them doing so. So I'm thinking it's town vs town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

can you guys take a look at shreddies mafia and compare it here and tell me the result. Is BBT's play here the same as there?

See sig for meta.

Last time you lurked you were scum ZZZX, what's up with that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Was the point of my post.

I need to start using smilies or something so people understand the tone of my posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I definitely didn't understand your tone there.

See 768

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am a reactive player, it seems a bad playstyle for this site from what I have seen so far but it's how I play. Keeps getting me into trouble.

I always intended to vote Josh. However, I was struggling to read LC and wanted to see if I could help get a wagon going and then gain a read from their reaction to it or even to the wagon itself.

I'm not convinced Flubber is town at all, I'm convinced that was the easiest wagon/lynch to push in the game, and I didn't like it. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sorry, that's not good enough. Anti wouldn't take that for an answer and I won't either.

Are you even thinking about it much yourself? It doesn't look like it. It looks like you just want to dig your heels in and stick to your story. Is it because you're town who can't get past his own ego? Or is it because you're scum and you have to look decisive to avoid appearing weak?

Either way, it's fairly annoying and I wish you would just spit it out already.

-TTH

I haven't given much thought to Flubber no, paid more attention to the wagon on him.

Nah, I change my mind all the time. For example, I'm pretty sure you're town now and thus feel silly for voting you earlier.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't given much thought to Flubber no, paid more attention to the wagon on him.

You can't be serious. That read was the linchpin of your argument that we were scum, but now we're hearing that you haven't given much thought to Flubber himself?

Unbelievable

I'm deadly serious. I paid more attention to the growing wagon than the player himself. This was pretty obvious I thought...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do I have to explicitly state every thing I didn't like about awestfie's or Josh_B's play is a scum tell?

Yes. Or are you expecting people to blindly believe what you say?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

.. had a chance to vote a scum read,
...called the wagon too fast.
.... still scum reading the said person.

What are you talking about here?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Lying Cat

GG is a bad lynch. Had a good town-read on them for pretty much the whole game but I don't like their recent posts so much. Seem paranoid of absolutely everyone. In saying that, I am absolutely not willing to lynch GG or awestfie today. Like, at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Compromise time.

Of those discussed, I'd rather lynch BBT than flubber because I'm mad at him and his vote is atrocious.

But BBT doesn't have the votes right now.

I'll be on again before deadline if you guys decide you want a better lynch.

VOTE: flubber

I'd much rather lynch Josh than yourself but that doesn't look like happening. If Josh's wagon picks up somehow, I'll be on it in a flash.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Stating intent to hammer.

I'll be able to consistently check this before deadline. I want to give it about an hour just to see if the Josh wagon takes off (it's doubtful, but I'm really not happy with this wagon)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lol. Wow.

VOTE: FlubberNugget

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty annoyed with myself right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Willing to lynch Josh or ZZZX today.

Your recent posts are awful ZZZX. Voting someone if they scum-read you and then retracting that vote if they town-read you...wtf?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you considered how much Flubber wanted to lynch me, I think you would reconsider your targets for today. And this...

I didn't see FN pushing you all that much. He did leave his last vote on you though so I'm not sure what that means.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you don't think he pushed me all that much than you need to re read the game. His vote means that he wanted to lynch me, that's what votes mean.

Ohhhhh, I see. So you're a conf. townie because he left his vote on you? I understand now. [/sarcasm]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT kind of picked up exactly where he left off yesterday with out considering any of the game.

What is there to consider?

I don't think scum bussed D1. Yourself, ZZZX and awestfie were off the FN wagon. Given I am town-reading awestfie, that leaves me with yourself and ZZZX.

I would prefer to lynch you over ZZZX, but I'm not too fussed either way really.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh shit, what's going on here.

VOTE: Josh_B

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Besides what I've already said, BBT also said that there wasn't a bus on D1, yet in order for him to vote me, he has to believe that there was a bus.

Maybe I should have been clearer. I don't think scum bussed on the FN lynch.

yeah, i'm shocked about

how little we're hearing from zzzx and bbt themselves

. like, they both seem pretty fucking oblivious right now.

and hey BBT. we're talking right now about WHAT THE HELL WENT WRONG WITH FLUBBER YESTERDAY. you've got some explaining to do.

it seems like everyone outside of [us, GG, lying cat] are just sitting here silently shuffling around votes.

quit it. COME TALK TO US.

I don't really know what to do. Like, my reads were so far off yesterday (not liking the FN wagon when it was on scum, scum-reading Heartless when they obv town now) that quite frankly I'm a little embarrassed and I don't know where to go. I

really

don't want to re-read this whole game because there was soooo much shit posted on D1. So it kinda puts me back to the drawing board.

As I stated earlier, I don't think scum bussed so that left me with awestfie, Josh and Z. I'm still town-reading awestfie (albeit not as strong as my D1 town-read due to her D2 disappearance, but still town) so it's between Z and Josh for me.

Then he would have reevaluated the game according to the information from the flip. Exactly like every other good townie does.

I haven't re-evaluated? I'm pretty sure I'm voting you based on the FN wagon and lynch.

I'd like to see some sort of involvement from awest. on this.

I'm also wiling to bet my life on this. especially if BBT flips chosen.

What does this mean?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is great! I can appreciate this. Only... you are scum reading the exact same people as you were DP1, so I'm not buying it.

Are you sure? Are you sure I was scum-reading Z yesterday?

The FN lynch that you never liked, and the FN lynch that you dissolved when it was only me, GG and Heartless on. Good job on dissolving that wagon. I was going to wait for end game to tell you that. But now is probably appropriate to mention it. Others are either dismissing it or not looking at it.

Is there a point to this?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The point is that BBT diffused a wagon on scum. There was a wagon on scum, and for whatever reason, it was BBT who diffused the wagon. And he attempted to do it not once, but twice. It wasn't until fubbernugget was finally like "I'm a PR" that BBT voted him. With 4 on the lynch so close to deadline, there was no reason to try to whiteknight from the flubber lynch he would have been lynched by plurality. Whiteknighiting behavior is what I see from BBT on the flubber lynch.

I see. So there is no way I could possibly be a townie who didn't like the wagon and wanted to stop it? No, you're right, I'm confirmed scum.

I would also like to say at this point that I had no idea that 4 votes would have lynched. If that's the case, why was ETL going crazy about time left? I thought it was 5 (over half) for a lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, my town-read on the awestfie slot just got obliterated.

Nice.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Am I supposed to give a shit about that, or..? Because the way I see it is this:

I'm not reading 44 pages; therefore, I have to do one of two things. Either I sheep a wagon that makes most sense to me, OR I attempt to develop reads based on the next week of play. Kinda left with the former since people either seem busy or burnt out (its 44 fucking pages, i don't blame you.).

Josh seems more town than you

. So I vote you. We can talk about that if you'd like to; otherwise, tough tits. Eat rope.

Based on?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lol then why are you voting him?

My read on Josh is weak, but its a gut read from my interaction with him. Your reaction to my voting you doesn't seem very town-sided to me, either. But a weak read is better than a null read.

The case on him, IMO, is also much weaker than the case on you. Which is really what I should've said in that post.

The case on me being...?

The case on Josh being...?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The reasons people voted for you/Josh. Don't be coy.

Don't dodge questions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think you're trying to imply I just voted randomly, or what?

Because I'm at work (first job not the new one) and on mobile, so I cba to give you post numbers or paraphrase what you already know happened, guy.

I'm trying to imply you've joined the leading wagon having read none of the cases/posts. Which is scummy.

Random vote. That's funny.

So, the cases on myself and Josh are...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Hostile Intent

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty annoyed with myself right now.

This posts reads like "Shit, I should seem like I'm remorseful for not having voted this obvscum." but I might be reading that through rose-colored glasses.

Also, am I looking at this right? I breezed through the pages for vote counts and, upon realizing he wasn't going to get T S O lynched, began vote-hopping a lot? Again, glasses, rose-colored, but I don't think its a coincidence that he didn't hammer his partner until he absolutely had to.

Nah, that post reads as 'Wow, how was my read so wrong, that's pretty annoying'. I was also expecting to be quick-lynched today, surprised I've stayed alive this long.

Also, yeah, take those rose-coloured glasses off.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would I be voting you otherwise?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Would I be voting you otherwise?

That's the thing I think is really fuckin' weird.

Compared to you guys, sure, my styles a bit flippant and eccentric, but... you said you were town-reading my slot previously. I can't even begin to fathom your mindset here. You don't like that I don't like your not-a-case case of PoE on Josh, so you vote me? Like, what's your vote but a waste right now? You're not generating a case. Fuck, you didn't even give a reason for your vote.

So, yeah. I had to ask if you think I'm scum because I don't, at all, understand your play here.

I wasn't even just town-reading your slot either, I was hard-town reading it.

Your entrance into this game was ridiculously scummy. I don't believe you had any idea of what was going on when you joined my wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So that's enough to vote me, but not enough to produce any sort of reason OR ask anybody else what they think of my slot OR at all push your newly founded scum-read into a wagon in any way. Got it

You gonna lynch me all by yourself, are you?

You haven't been in the game long enough for me to say anything else.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't mind getting hammered.

If I don't get lynched today, I probably get lynched tomorrow anyway.

Town needs to focus elsewhere.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well played guys.

This game was a train wreck.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll explain after mod has officially declared game is over.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Jesus christ. Why did we have to fight so hard for that... against sthar and AP.... -.-

I couldn't quite believe it either.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, as you can see, Heartless was chosen. Once they started really pushing for Flubber's lynch (and they were the first to do so IIRC) there wasn't much I could do. I messed up on 514 and 516 and it was all downhill from there. I just couldn't let Heartless push through the lynch on FN because I would have had/did have a very difficult time getting them lynched after that.

Everyone was town-reading the chosen townies as well. Such a difficult game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I alse intended to kill GG on N1, like the whole of D1, but decided to take the risk in keeping them alive in the hope that AP could turn the tide on me and gain me a few more town-reads. That didn't pan out either haha

[BlueBloodedToffee]

wow, the TSO kill was head-scratchingly bad. he was due for a hard reset/credibility crisis when the shoe dropped on the flubbernugget flip

BBT, why didn't you kill GG?

I alse intended to kill GG on N1, like the whole of D1, but decided to take the risk in keeping them alive in the hope that AP could turn the tide on me and gain me a few more town-reads. That didn't pan out either haha

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BBT, I didn't understand you going after my lynch on D2, when I was semi wk'd on the flubber lynch. I probably would have pushed that Flubber was bussed. And if I did that, I probably would have been lynched too. So, here's some salt to go with the WIFOM.

It really didn't matter how I approached D2, the game was over. If I didn't get lynched D2, I was getting lynched D3. I genuinely had no idea what to do.

BBT just end it ffs.

Yeah. This right here is why I thought I was in for a quick-lynch D2.

Am I allowed to post the scum thread?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You can but no one will have access to it unless Wicked unlocks it for us.

Why did you choose to veto us?

I say it in the QT. It's mainly because from reading around the site it seemed that AP was widely regarded as quite a good player and I initially wanted to kill you straight away and get you out of the game.

Due to AP town-reading me so hard though, it kind of made me backtrack on it.

Here is the topic, there isn't a whole lot though.

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/tXBXjLKwj78s5

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Stuill haven't thanked Mod. My bad.

Thanks for the game Mod. No complaints from me at all. Enjoyed it despite the difficulty of the game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You people scare the shit out of me. I'll be honest, though.

I was totally bullshitting the whole time.

Thanks for the gaming experience, wickedest.

I knew it. I was trying to push you for it but nobody was listening