Mini 1602: Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

Request replacement

[Nachomamma8]

that was a joke, for the record.
I heard you were having trouble keeping people in slots?

[Nachomamma8]

Sleepy asked me if I wanted to have a deadline extension and I refused because I plan to be caught up by the end of today and it really shouldn't take longer than a day to push a lynch through, and there's no reason this game should have puss poor activity when every player here is competent at the very very least.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Notscience

This vote seems pretty incredibly obvious and notscience scum makes both Mala and nopoint town.

[Nachomamma8]

ARGH WHY ARENT YOU TOWNREADING ME STHAR

IT MAKES ME ANGRY

amidoinitrite

Can you try to put words to what you didn't like about tman pls shadow

Notscience tried to play this off as a joke here, but all I'm reading is notscience feeling weird about being his usual obvtown and proud to be obvtown self and instead drops this self-conscious bullshit in thread so he sounds vaguely like his town meta would but his heart isn't in it at the least.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: nachomamma8[/vot]

This vote seems incredibly ibvious and nacho scum suggests the world is town

Notscience scum means Mala town because notscience is buddying up to her and sheeping her. He wouldn't be comfortable interacting with a buddy in this way. Nopoint is town when notscience flips scum because of his current push on him: don't think he would sheep Mala onto his scumbuddy. This is a bad vote and you know it is a bad vote: instead of trying to help me turn around the game like I'm attempting you to do, you don't read shit I post and naked vote me.

[Nachomamma8]

U replaced a townish slot

And apparently, you don't give me a chance to turn around the game despite having a town read on my predecessor. Why?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm voting notscience for reasons that make me 80% sure that he's scum. I don't really need to catchup beyond that point: I can respond to your case on my predecessors but my effort this game day is going to go towards lynching scum and not reassuring people that I am town.

[Nachomamma8]

Link me to your post about a case on me and describe to me why you think notscience is a bad lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

Did u read what Mala and co said bout

Nopoint' associatives and interaction with neal

I looked through her non-Day 1 I SO and couldn't find it. Could you link me to it?

[Nachomamma8]

=11658&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]This is the last time I replaced into a game that I can remember. I couldn't really link before I got off mobile.

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fixed link

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I've never thought the Notscience slot would be a bad lynch. You'll find data about the slot in the same post. Another wall about my former case against the slot: 462.

My lynch doesn't seem to be viable at this point in time, considering new replacement who is actually starting to do things immediately upon replacing in and no one really found this slot scummy in the first place with the exception of you. Seeing this, why do you prefer to lynch nopoint (who you don't think is scum) over notscience (who you do think is scum)? Me voting the notscience slot 1) doesn't make the slot town even if I'm scum, and 2) shouldn't even be giving you a townread on the slot unless you're 100% positive that I am scum unless you only scumhunt with one team possibility at a time in which case

[Nachomamma8]

457 from Oso is pretty much "I don't want to be involved" stuff.

This seems to be a true point because Oso replaced out.
I don't think it's scummy to replace out of a game.

Uh-oh! Look at 505! "I had made it clear that I would hammer Niel. But I also wanted both Shadowez and Agar post their thoughts before it happened." – Why wasn't he able to decide whether a slot was scum alone? Yet another "I don't want to be involved" thing. The Phok-case is pretty weak.

In his post, he says that he wanted Shadowez and AGar to post their thoughts in order to see their reaction to the claim, which gives him information on both of their alignment's and on Neil's. He already expressed an opinion of what neil's alignment was (scum). Why is waiting for more information to make a decision (especially especially hard information like claim reaction) scummy?

Oso's case on Phok was that Phok voted neil a lot but never explained any of it. This suggests he couldn't explain any of it because he didn't have any reasons except for inside information. I don't necessarily agree with this case, but I don't see a horrifically bad logical flaw like you seem to be seeing. If your point is actually just that his case isn't very compelling, well, I don't think weak cases automatically equal scum and I don't think you should either.

I posted about BPC's readlist and nearby-posts a lot (I mean those 560-570-ish posts) before.

If you link to your criticisms of those posts, I will respond to them. Otherwise, nope.

I still think that 613/614 are weak answers.

To call someone scum for buddying is to call someone scum for being friendly with another human being. This is not a good point and should never be a part of a case on anyone ever.
I don't see how the autoscum WIFOM joke from BPC was scummy: could you expound on that a little more?
I don't see why calling someone an asshole is alignment indicative.

So maybe his responses weren't particularly compelling but I also don't think your case was particularly strong.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho don't wagon notty. If you think I'm town then trust me that Notty is town. Please please please

if you have information then claim it
if you don't have information we're lynching notty

[Nachomamma8]

and i really really really really really really doubt you have information on notty

[Nachomamma8]

I'll think about your posts but I need to sleep now. (And yes, I know that my timing is terrible. I'm famous for that, I suppose.)

That's fine!

[Nachomamma8]

oh boo

god dmanit mala

I wanted to taunt more

There's nothing to taunt about when the onus of leading town should be placed in your hands and instead you've let this game dither. Why are you so disengaged this game? I thought you were making a push to be one of the top players on the site >.>

[Nachomamma8]

Make me proud notscience
I am coming back in thread tomorrow so leave something here for me to read

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: AGar

What do you think of this vote?

[Nachomamma8]

I didn't think notscience was scum for any reason other than the way he was playing. He wanted to step up his game to the next level for a while, I know he has been trying to improve and trying to being the next level of his play and I know that he's capable of it I'm just waiting for him to do it. I expected to find a notscience that was driven and pushing in all of his games, but I don't expect the same confidence when he's scum, so I thought scum

[Nachomamma8]

Assuming I'm being lynched I'd like to give a set of dying reads but I don't really trust my reads in this game given a combination of the amount of effort I've put in and shadow flipping town. I guess the thing I can talk about is my read on AGar.

My read's pretty much entirely based on d1 but basically, two things. One, weaker, is that he made almost exclusively points that I think accurately portrayed the game. Two, his interaction with the flames wagon. He literally never unvoted the slot, and the way he pushed it I don't think was a bus. He had good points on the slot and was proactive in finding them.

Your read on AGar is because AGar voted scum for an entire day. AGar is a heavy busser. AGar bussing the hell out of an incompetent partner is not unlikely or unusual or even less likely than AGar as town pegging scum in one post and then holding that suspicion for the rest of the day.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: AGar

What do you think of this vote?

He hasn't really orchestrated anything since the Neil lynch and subsequent vote on your slot to start Day 2. asks lots of questions which is easy to do, doesnt seem that leery atm but probably busy and lurking like me. All of his posts are pretty shifty with reads (generalization but I skimmed his ISO lol). ok so all of what i said is irrelevant.

but it is zuzpizuz that he has sorta stopped pushing your slot considering how confident he was on D2 based on your slot's interactions with neil-scum.

what's your issue with the current leading wagon?

I didn't think notscience was scum for any reason other than the way he was playing. He wanted to step up his game to the next level for a while, I know he has been trying to improve and trying to being the next level of his play and I know that he's capable of it I'm just waiting for him to do it. I expected to find a notscience that was driven and pushing in all of his games, but I don't expect the same confidence when he's scum, so I thought scum

OK.

My issue with the nopoint wagon is that nopoint doesn't actually seem that scummy. Trying to start a vanity wagon in the face of death seems town, the "let's just lynch implosion today" bit + "<3 Mala" after she votes implosion seems town, etc.

[Nachomamma8]

I think its 1 of the 3 on the D1 wagon before shadowez, but agar is out of the running

and 1 of the 3 after shadowez minus mala

Why is AGar a town read for you?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't see why scum agar sits on a buddy all day and doesn't move in the least

You said he's a compulsive busser, but I suppose it raises the question "does he always stay in the first position on a wagon on a buddy" whch I'd need to look up

AGar busses as hard if not harder than I do as scum. I have stayed on a buddy all day as scum before. You keep trying to clear him based on his voting history (which he always makes look very good as scum) and for his voting history alone and that means you have a faulty town read.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: implosion

I suppose implosion is my second choice, nopoint would be my third.

[Nachomamma8]

Disclaimer i started writing this post like 4 hours ago, then had to do work.

I've given my reasons for thinking those people are town before, agar very recently, but I can repeat the others.
Malakittens is a hard townread since day one which isn't going to change.
Anen, actually it looks like I never explained this one. Various instances of his posting have looked town to me... and i don't have time to look in-depth at it right now.
sthar is town because rack was. His posting since then has also been moderately town.

I know this is crap in terms of specificity but I have a lot to do today.

@bert, i somewhat trust what mala is saying about notscience, which is why notscience is town but more weakly.

Also, notscience is confirmed town once another scum does. There is no situation where Mala town notscience scum exists.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: AGar

[Nachomamma8]

Sthar is the other one, fwiw.

[Nachomamma8]

Everyone says AGar is scum today, and yet two wagons form. That makes me very unhappy.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm fine with an AGar lynch too. Why don't you think Bert is scum?

If you're fine with an AGar lynch, why can't we lynch him first? I'm uncomfortable with a Bert lynch because self aware play is one of the strongest indications of his town game that exists and I think the pushes he's making aren't good for Bert scum.

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I don't think I'm going to surprise you now but your answer was very weak

As town in our past game together, you had no qualms about leading out with votes on me during every single game day I was alive! You seem so cautious here!

Who are you and what have you done with And Then And Then???

Like this, which is an argument that says that Anen voting Bert is normal and him waiting to vote Bert is abnormal. I think this is a weird argument for Bert scum to make because it makes Amen more likely to vote Bert