Mini 1602: Game Over

[neil1113]

I don't want to make a huge post that nobody will read. So I'm going to go pages to pages, with notes and updating my scum ranking system.

Points system: 1 point for scumminess, 1 point for towniness. 0 is only for people with no read.

Tammy bussing a wagon already in RVS in her second post reads opportunstic to me, and then the "declaring I'm town" without any real reason or support is ridiculous... but it is RVS. It's a good scum opening in my opinion.

Flames following the wagon so quickly, to put someone on L-4 before they even posted, reads scummy to me.

Tammy quickly changing her vote around onto Flames for no real reason (explained yet), reads as buddying up, perhaps to her partner? There is no real scum-tell here, so no scum points awarded, but this is definitely noticed should either Flames or Tammy flip scum.

In fact the entire back and forth on Page 1 reads like teammates bickering back and forth, almost too planned to be real. If they aren't teammates, one of them is scum. Guarantee it. I'm leaning on Tammy, with her continuance insistence on how town she is.

Ugh, Elias, AGar, they both do the literally exact same thing following the pushing back and forth. One of them could easily be teammates, if Tammy / Flames is not the team. Scum points awarded for bussing in RVS.

Implosion gets the only towny points from page 1. The only person with any sensible / thought out post. The rest reads like either scummy bickering / defending of others, or true RVS with no relevance.

Where everybody sits from Page 1:

Implosion +1
Agar -1
Flames -1
Elias -1
Tammy -2

I'm going to start reading quickly through the other pages and only mentioning that which is important to me to mention for now. My goal is literally to just catch up!

(Also, I just replaced in, and just realized I replaced Flames lol. From here on out, I won't be mentioning Flames.)

[neil1113]

Page 2:

Implosion: I'm not sure where Mala lied?

Phok's line of thinking matches mine. Towny points awarded because I can (and because it's logical.) And on top of that, Pookie stuck to his guns. Which makes me think he's also not scum, because I doubt scum would be balsy enough to push a very serious case as hard as he is, on page 2... Talk about putting yourself in front of the spot light. Unless of course, Phok thinks he's great at scum, and he's a arrogant dick. But I don't get that vibe. Another townie point awarded. Page 3 confirms this point all the more.

Page 3:

Tammy's first post on Page 3 seems super awkward and forced to me. Tammy is trying really hard to buddy up to people and is using asking a lot of questions as a way to avoid actually giving content... Scum point awarded.

Elias redeems his scum nature to me, his line of questioning seems genuine. Town points awarded.

Rack matched my exact idea concerning Tammy, town points for good logic.

Tammy's response to Rack calling her out is even worse. She invalidates his opinion by trying to sum up her idea of what Rack was doing, and then telling him he's doing it wrong. She's also spreading herself out pretty thin, with general questions. They don't seem to really reveal anything about the person's alignment or motivation, but rather are a filling for a void of content. Haven't I used this accusation already against her? More scum points awarded. (Also, the brief "I'm town" reference, again, noted.) You can find this specific post, here.

Riabi has the right idea. Rack should have / should provide meta on Tammy, if it's proving Tammy is coming from a scum-motivated mindset. It makes no sense to not want to help town out in any way you can if you're town yourself? Riabi gets town points, Rack is null for the moment (his townie point before is taken away).

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! TMan, you are THE MAN! You caught what I caught that I thought nobody would catch!!!! I'm so happy. Townie points awarded, as it's not something you'd catch unless you were actually reading, searching for motivations. This is a town-slip, as it's not something I would imagine scum doing.

Implosion feels like he's reaching a lot here, stretching to make Rack look worse than the null points that were actually there. While I agree (as Tman pointed out after) that Rack needs to cite his sources, I don't think starting a wagon on him is a good way to make someone act townie...

Pookie +2
Tman +1
Elias +1
Riabi +1
AGar -1
Tammy -4

P.Edit: You bastard. :/ I am scum reading you, and it looks like you're scummy as hell behavior is going to lead to a vote. Now you've successfully invalidated anything I say from here on out, to make it look like it's OMGUS. Damn you.

[neil1113]

Page 4:

Tammy's wagon jumping is noted. Whatever sticks, right? Scum points awarded.

Rack makes me nervous now. Lied about meta concerning Tammy, to "reaction test", and then jumped on a terrible wagon based on WIFOM? Scum points finally awarded (up until Page 4, I didn't have an opinion. Now I do!)

I don't like how Rack lied, but it's interesting that Tammy called Rack's lie out before Rack admitted to it (the reaction test idea).... planned before hand?

Shadows comes in and at least is using logic that is followable. I can see where his mindset is and how he drew those conclusions, even if I disagree with some of them. Townie points awarded.

Phok is remaing cool, and staying firm with his logic, even with my predecessor pushing his slot. Dually noted. (More town points)

Rack's OMGUS on Phok makes me gag. And is a terrible deflection. Scum point awarded.

Mala's actually trying to play the game now! No more trolling, I was curious when she'd finish. When it's all said and done, I don't have a read on her yet.

Page 5:

Sigh, Tman was doing so good too. Your vote on Rack is reiiterating what everyone else is saying, and you did a complete 180 in your post from the beginning. It wasn't a long post so the 180 seems forced. You went from not sure who to vote, to absolutely feeling like "Rack was the best vote." And your excuse toward Phok is Mala's decleration of Phok's meta? That's a terrible excuse to change your read on someone. Especially considering we just went through this with Rack, the idea of giving meta as an excuse for something and not actually providing the evidence... Scum points awarded.

AGar's logic makes sense, even against my own predecessor (I had a similar opinion.) Again, I disagree with some of his points, but it reads genuine. Townie points awarded.

Implosion, all of that postings, and then you vote somebody that you said absolutely nothing about??? Oh dear... This is a null point, but still one I'm keeping my eye on as I read through.

Two things: Where did Tammy go? Some suspicion sparks up, and she disappears...
Also, Mala claims Meta on Tammy, everyone immediately accepts and not a single person asks to see it. Rack claims meta on Tammy, everyone accuses Rack, and demands to see it!

What the hell type of hypocrisy is in this game? It makes me doubt my read on Rack.

Pookie +3
Shadow +1
Riabi +1
AGar +1
TMan -1
Rack -2
Tammy -4

[neil1113]

Ahem, Tammy you just put me at L-1...

I just realized I was at L-2. Are you that confident I am scum? I would have had a slight scum read myself on Flames, but not more than you or Rack. Especially not enough to put him at L-1. Then again, I'm still on page 6 so that could change. If he ran his slot up as scummy as possible and replaced out again, I'm going to be fucking furious. This is why he's already blacklisted by several people here. And honestly, depending on my finished conclusion after my read through, if that's what he did, I'm going to call for a mod kill. That's against our town win-condition, and in the end, it fucks the town really badly considering our role.

[neil1113]

Scum catch up post? Taking their time to read through the game, make reads, further town information, etc.... is a scum motivated catch up post?

[neil1113]

Tell you what Tammy, when you want to actually read my posts as I read through, then we can discuss it. Until then, keep your mouth shut. Mis-repesenting someone doesn't suit you well and further proves your scumminess. Consider this a free newbie mafia tip.

[neil1113]

but my intuitions says you're just trying to make us tired and to buy yourself some time.

Hi Anen. I don't understand the "get you tired" part... but buy myself some time? That's actually exactly what I was doing, though I'm not sure how that's alignment indicative? I just wanted to play the freaking game, it's extremely frustrating replacing into a spot that is at L-1 / L-2 with the whole game thinking your spot is scum. It's even more frustrating when they are wrong. But I shouldn't have been surprised, I should have looked at who I was replacing before hand. Flames has done this before. That's more why I'm irritated than anything else.

Okay so I was feeling a little iffy about Neil's opening post but I was willing to give him a chance but then he posted this..

Ahem, Tammy you just put me at L-1...

I just realized I was at L-2. Are you that confident I am scum? I would have had a slight scum read myself on Flames, but not more than you or Rack. Especially not enough to put him at L-1. Then again, I'm still on page 6 so that could change. If he ran his slot up as scummy as possible and replaced out again, I'm going to be fucking furious. This is why he's already blacklisted by several people here. And honestly, depending on my finished conclusion after my read through, if that's what he did, I'm going to call for a mod kill. That's against our town win-condition, and in the end, it fucks the town really badly considering our role.

From there his argument with Tammy just comes off to me as someone who realized they were caught in their ways and then is desperately trying to push eyes away form him and onto someone else.

So

Vote:Neil113

I have no idea what this means? Why am I trying to push eyes away form me? I'm okay with people looking at me, questioning me, challenging me... but putting me at L-1? I'd rather not be lynched right as I replace into the game, regardless of my alignment. It's irritating (as mentioned above). And it's frustrating because I didn't know I was at L-2 when I started my read through, and then to find out I'm about to be lynched after actually wanting to put time and effort into this game, like seriously? That pisses me off. I'm town, and it pisses me off, but if I was scum, I'd be pissed off just as well. Regardless, this is not alignment indicative.

It comes down to only two options for my frustration. Either I'm town, frustrated because of the reasons I said, or you could easily claim I'm scum caught for the wrong reasons. Either or is acceptable logic. The pushes that have been on me, is what irritate me. They aren't acceptable logic to lynch a townie, ever. It's bad town play, period. If I do get lynched, these are the people that definitely need to be looked at.

[neil1113]

Emergency V/LA Mod for the next couple of days, at least.

I'm not sure when I'll get internet again, the electric was cut off because my wife forgot to pay it. *sigh* So I'm trying to view this from my phone but there's like 10000 pages, and there's no possible way I can accurately type this out, and read everything on a phone. If I'm at L-1 right now, and people are still seriously considering lynching me, don't. At least not yet, give me a chance to play.

I'm a Cop. Which should explain a little bit about my attitude, especially toward my predecessor. I promise once I have access, I'll answer every question addressed to me.