Mini 1602: Game Over

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys sorry had some wifi issues going on but now I am here. Going to read over everything and post tonight!

[chaoslord54]

Okay so I read over everything and these are my reads.

Town Reads: Tammy, Elias, Flames, Aneninen
Leans Town: Phok, Implosion
Null: Agar, Riabi, Shadoweez
Leans Scum: Mala
Scum: Rack

I will post my case a little later and will also answer any questions any may have but for now

Vote:Rack

[chaoslord54]

Okay so I read over everything and these are my reads.

Town Reads: Tammy, Elias, Flames, Aneninen
Leans Town: Phok, Implosion
Null: Agar, Riabi, Shadoweez
Leans Scum: Mala
Scum: Rack

I will post my case a little later and will also answer any questions any may have but for now

Vote:Rack

Where am I in there?

Sorry Tman, I am kinda null towards you still because I don't have a strong opinion yet on where I think you stand. I will update that a little later once I figure out where I think you stand.

[chaoslord54]

Elias

, why do you sheep Kitty if you have your own scumreads? (148)

Chaos

, can you give any details why do you think Rack and Kitty are scummy? Especially Kitty, because I don't find her scummy.

Sure I will explain in better detail in my next post on why I feel they are both scummy.

[chaoslord54]

Okay these are my cases for Malakittens and for Rack. Let's start off with the easier one, Rack.

Reasons for finding Rack scummy

The biggest reason is that although I do find that Malakittens leans scum, much like Rack does, his evidence is very vague and shallow. He also refuses to give much evidence, instead of taking the time to really address anyone's concerns he instead asks Aneninen how to pronounce their name and I just feel that they come off as scum. If Rack isn't scum then he at least is definitely a OMGUS town.

So now

reasons for finding Malakittens scummy

So I find Malakittens scummy for many reasons. For starters, her way of play comes off as someone trying to be trolly but instead of seeing is as being trolly I see it as scum trying to mess around with cases and forcing town to lose focus on what they are trying to do. Also, she ignores most questions thrown at her like in [post]164[/b] and her switch from wanting to vote Rack to jumping off of Rack's wagon seems to sudden and her explanations are short and feel like excuses more then reasons also [post]193[/b] and [post]195[/b] are scummy to me because these do not seem like good reasons to assume that Rack is instantly town. Also he case against Aneninen in [post]163[/b] is shallow and OMGUS. Also she seems to keep jumping between Aneninen and Implosions and does not seem to explain herself very well.

With this all being said I'm switching my vote

Vote:Malakittens

for now because I feel out of the two, it's better to get rid of her now and take down Rack tomorrow.

[chaoslord54]

Already answered that.

Because of the speed of the wagon. It's hard to explain, but the speed feels like the wagon could potentially be scum driven.

But if you feel that the speed of the wagon is being scum driven why are you so against posting a more up to date reads list? I know you mentioned that it's because you're scum hunting but when you're vague on your reasoning and do not try to help point who you think is scum how are we supposed to follow your thought process?

[chaoslord54]

Oh, Chaos. What do you think of Flames?

Personally I'm kinda going back and forth on him. His push to try to lynch Phok I feel was done poorly because his case going all around the fact that Phok didn't realize at first the joking nature as his reasoning for why he was scum I feel is a poor reason. I don't think though his switch to Rack is OMGUS or bussing like Agar tried to point out because he backs up his reasoning and points out through quotes what led to his reasoning behind it. So I feel like he leans town but would like to see more posts from him to help decide where I fall on his alliance.

[chaoslord54]

So can someone explain a little more thoroughly to me the reason for Flames being scum? Because at the moment I don't see it and wanted to see if someone can make it a little more clear IMO. Also, Malakittens, can you explain to me your random switch to Tman as your vote?

[chaoslord54]

Okay so I was feeling a little iffy about Neil's opening post but I was willing to give him a chance but then he posted this..

Ahem, Tammy you just put me at L-1...

I just realized I was at L-2. Are you that confident I am scum? I would have had a slight scum read myself on Flames, but not more than you or Rack. Especially not enough to put him at L-1. Then again, I'm still on page 6 so that could change. If he ran his slot up as scummy as possible and replaced out again, I'm going to be fucking furious. This is why he's already blacklisted by several people here. And honestly, depending on my finished conclusion after my read through, if that's what he did, I'm going to call for a mod kill. That's against our town win-condition, and in the end, it fucks the town really badly considering our role.

From there his argument with Tammy just comes off to me as someone who realized they were caught in their ways and then is desperately trying to push eyes away form him and onto someone else.

So

Vote:Neil113

[chaoslord54]

Neil, address this questions and I will unvote you for now depending on your answer.

In 308 How did you not already know your alignment? Also why are you ignoring Tammy's question to you in 323?

Also, how are you not trying to take eyes away from you? Tammy points out flaws in your case against her and instead of properly addressing what she says you bring up more points and then blow her off by saying she's not reading after she said she is reading your case against her. Then you ignore her questions towards you. That comes off to me as someone trying to draw eyes away from them and onto someone else.

[chaoslord54]

Aaand that's why my gut pings.

I thought you read Rack as town though? Or are you talking about something else?

[chaoslord54]

Wait. So why are we all voting Neil? I'm not sure I'm about to condemn them just because they have a point system and are posting large posts. Sure its a viable scum tactic, but its also protown to give us information for flames slot when there was not much of use (in terms of associative tells, I mean). To be honest I'd take a Rack lynch or Phok lynch over the Flames lynch.

That's not why I fos Neil. It's the content of his posts that don't seem right.

Aaand that's why my gut pings.

I thought you read Rack as town though? Or are you talking about something else?

Tman.

I'm also thinking Neil is scum.

What was pinging about me? All I did in the post before was ask for more from Rack than an unvote.

Yea he does have a point. Why did that give you a bad feeling so much Malakittens? Also, why do you feel that Tman is scummy? You never really explained it too thoroughly.

[chaoslord54]

Man I'm either sure chaos is scum with Tman. The more he questions anything on rack bothers me.

All of my day 1 reads are gut. It's really hard for me to explain.

Lol, so you think I'm scum because I'm calling out the flaw in your logic on why Tman is scum? Your case against Tman is OMGUS at best and saying you're basing everything off of your gut is not good enough for me to just accept your reasoning. I'm asking the questions that I am to get better evidence on your thoughts not because I'm trying to buddy him.

[chaoslord54]

Man I'm either sure chaos is scum with Tman. The more he questions anything on rack bothers me.

All of my day 1 reads are gut. It's really hard for me to explain.

If you don't explain, how do you expect a people to vote with you? What's the point of the vote?

Man I'm either sure chaos is scum with Tman. The more he questions anything on rack bothers me.

All of my day 1 reads are gut. It's really hard for me to explain.

Lol, so you think I'm scum because I'm calling out the flaw in your logic on why Tman is scum? Your case against Tman is OMGUS at best and saying you're basing everything off of your gut is not good enough for me to just accept your reasoning. I'm asking the questions that I am to get better evidence on your thoughts not because I'm trying to buddy him.

I was saying Mala's reads on you is OMGUS. Because her best claim is "her gut" and she doesn't like "you questioning rack"
OMGUS? I haven't been scum reading mala.

[chaoslord54]

Man I'm either sure chaos is scum with Tman. The more he questions anything on rack bothers me.

All of my day 1 reads are gut. It's really hard for me to explain.

If you don't explain, how do you expect a people to vote with you? What's the point of the vote?

Man I'm either sure chaos is scum with Tman. The more he questions anything on rack bothers me.

All of my day 1 reads are gut. It's really hard for me to explain.

Lol, so you think I'm scum because I'm calling out the flaw in your logic on why Tman is scum? Your case against Tman is OMGUS at best and saying you're basing everything off of your gut is not good enough for me to just accept your reasoning. I'm asking the questions that I am to get better evidence on your thoughts not because I'm trying to buddy him.

I haven't been scum reading mala.

I was saying Mala's reads on you is OMGUS. Which does make me bring up a new question for Mala. Why is Tman questioning Rack scummy but no one else questioning him comes off that way to you? Also, why are you buddying up so much to Rack?

[chaoslord54]

Like everyone else, I'm more waiting for Neil to answer. Mala gets under my skin personally but I feel Neil is the better person to try and get rid of at the moment and would really like to see him answer

[chaoslord54]

Guys we should not believe him. Of course he's going to try and claim a role like that when he's about to be lynched. He knows that it could keep him alive for a while and if the real cop CCs him then scum know who to take out on the first night. I think we should take the risk, lynch him, and figure it out tomorrow.

[chaoslord54]

Hey guys I will post a longer post in the morning but I want to mention this early on. My strongest town read is now malakittens. Ill post the rest of my reads tomorrow and will also explain my reasoning as well.

[chaoslord54]

Sorry guys moved back into my apartment today. Posting in a bit.

[chaoslord54]

Okay so my strongest read at the moment as a town tell is Malakittens

From there I feel that it goes

Agar
Deasvail

My leans town are

Phokdapolees
Implosion

My Nulls are:

Grande
Shadoweez

My leans scum:

Aneninen
Tman2nd
Oso

I have not been able to feel strong enough about my list except for my read on Malakittens so that's why I don't want to say I have with complete certainty someone I feel is scum. I will post reasoning in my next post after my classes.

[chaoslord54]

Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches. Plus chaos has been laying low for most of the game, which he also did in my mini normal, where he was scum.
VOTE: chaos

Agar makes some good points on Oso wanting to stay clear of his partner's wagon until he saw where it went and thinking he picked up on a "cop tell" from Tammy, and looking through Riabi's iso, he conveniently avoided giving any reads throughout his first few posts, and then is overly cautious about quickhammering in his post 184. From his one post after that, he calls rack, the biggest wagon at the time, scum and only gives one townread (Agar).

Also, here's flames' one full reads list-

Townreads - AGar, Elias, shaddowez, Tammy, mala
Scumreads - rack, phok,
Everyone else - Not really sure

I have already explained my reads for rack and phok, so I don't really need to explain more. Also what is White Knighting?

As you can see, he conveniently leaves chaos and Riabi in his "not sure" category, making a flames/neil, Riabi/Oso and chaos scumteam seem like a big possibility.

Notice that I mentioned that I was going to update it more thoroughly later tonight because I started school today. That's why it was hastily done. That and I was trying to dodge a prod. Also, in context Flames' mentioned that towards me because I was inactive at the moment (a comment that a couple people made earlier on on their lists).