Mini 1602: Game Over

[shaddowez]

VOTE: implosion

Reason: I prefer explosions, they're so much more fun

[shaddowez]

Have we ended RVS? Some of these votes seem serious, while others still seem like they're joking around.

@Mod

- I'm going to be changing my vote anyway, but for some reason you're VC isn't picking up my vote on Implosion from Post #21

I don't like the fact that Flames had such a large wagon so quick in RVS. I know D1 gives a lot of time for messing around, but I would not be surprised at all if there was at least one scum on that wagon already.

Rack seems to like voting for people that aren't being entirely serious, playing them off as reaction tests (at least the one on Tammy was by his own words, one can only assume he's doing something similar with Mala).

On a similar note, Phok is making an argument that Tammy's reaction was scummy for joking around. Not sure what he's trying to achieve here by calling her post condescending and ignoring others, but I don't like it.

VOTE: Phok

[shaddowez]

I'm actually not quite as sure of my Phok vote as I was earlier, but need to re-read and see where I actually want my vote.

Chaos

, where are you?

[shaddowez]

I'm not a fan of Elias' vote strategy right now. In Post #4 he voted for Mala as a pure RVS vote which was fine. However, in Post #17 he jumps over to Flame with no explanation, bringing him up to 3 votes in RVS. In Post #88, he then jumps onto the Rack wagon after the Flames wagon all but disbanded. He did have some reasoning behind his Rack vote and has been continuing to pressure him which is making me lean town, but he's still someone I'm going to keep an eye on.

Definitely getting a town read on AGar at the moment. He seems to be looking at everything, and not just jumping to conclusions based on individual posts.

I really want to hear implosion's reason for voting Mala. The only time he mentions her before the vote is when he says she lied, which could just be an issue of semantics.

I don't like the apparent buddying of Rack and Flames, but it doesn't feel like scumbuddies to me just yet. If anything, it feels like White Knighting, and that's even a stretch at this point in the game.

I'd like to hear more from Riabi as well, he's still on his RVS vote and hasn't said much. He questioned Rack once, but then just backed off after Rack's response.

Aneninen

- Not too strong a case against Phok. The reason for my vote, and I believe others but I could be mistaken, was he was refusing to accept the fact that the exchange between Flames and Tammy was a joke, and voted Tammy for scumminess based on that exchange. It looked like he was just trying to find an easy target to get people to look at. Based on posts since, and as I said in my last post, I'll be changing my vote.

Rack

is avoiding questions, voting with weak or no reasons (including an OMGUS), and most of his posts have been fluff at best. I'm not really comfortable with how quick this wagon grew, but he definitely doesn't feel town to me. Rack, please explain all of your votes so far, especially your most recent one. Until then, consider this your L-2 vote.

VOTE: Rack

[shaddowez]

Hey Mala - why Aneninen over Rack? Also, that was an extremely mild push on implosion based on your request for info from him and his response to you.

[shaddowez]

UNVOTE:

I don't want Rack at L-1 this quickly, especially if we're wrong and have no scum targeted or on the wagon yet.

Flames

- you have any other reads? I'm not a fan of your sudden near-180 immediately after I post about what looks like buddying/White Knighting.

[shaddowez]

Yep, I'm good on your scumread explanations, but thanks for bringing them up. Easiest explanation of White Knighting is defending a townie as scum. As scum, you know they're town, but if they get lynched and flip town you gain a little town cred for defending them. If anyone has a better explanation, I'd be happy to defer to them as mine is based only on inferring from other games.

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Mala

, wasn't trying to pressure you, but thought you were done with work and playing since you had posted.

Tammy

- That's fair, but my understanding was that the person had to

know

that the one they were defending was town. I guess a cop or some other PRs could do it, but I didn't think just one random townie defending someone else that flipped town counted as White Knighting.

Elias

- Other than the fact that you said you'd sheep Mala, do you have any reasons for voting Aneminem?

[shaddowez]

Mala's scum for page top sniping!

[shaddowez]

I'm concerned about the wagon as well, especially without any other wagon gaining any sort of momentum at all. Not positive he's town yet, but definitely not as sure about scum as I was earlier either.

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Riabi

, talk to us more! You give no reasons on why you think Rack may be scum...heck, you've given no reasons on anything yet. Also, Rack was only at L-2 at the time of your posting. Don't think you're going to be able to just coast through this game and have everyone look the other way.

[shaddowez]

What do you think about Raibi

He hasn't posted enough content for me to get a strong read on, but he has posted enough to not be lurking. I'm gut-leaning scum trying to coast through under the radar right now.

[shaddowez]

Chaos

- While you're at it, could you explain your townread on implosion?

[shaddowez]

I'm currently not a fan of implosion's play style right now, but I'm trying to figure out if it's scummy or just him seeming like an ass to me.

What's scummy about 89?

"Have we ended RVS? Some of these votes seem serious, while others still seem like they're joking around."

– As if there were a line between two certain post like "above this: RVS – below this: real votes". That two sentences sounded like an "I want to find an excuse for my vote if you find my arguments invalid" in my mind...

"I don't like the fact that Flames

had

such a large wagon so quick in RVS."

– Large wagon? With 2 names? WTF? Rack's wagon was just as large. If I count Elias' vote in 88 Rack had 3 votes, Flame had 1!

Bolded above - had, not has. Flames got up to 4 votes in RVS in no time, which is what I was commenting on.

Chaos

- you still have not posted your reason for your Rack vote or explained in your "next post", and that was coming up on 24 hours ago.

Elias

- In Post #174 after you sheeped Mala, you say your scum reads remained the same (Phok, Rack, and Implosion). You also mention that you wanted a straight answer from Mala, but accepted "gut and ~reasons~". You defend your vote on Aneninen by saying you wanted him to post more, which has, and in fact you're having discussion directly with him. What is your reasoning for keeping your vote on him at this point?

Phok

- Where'd you go?

Had a bit of an off vibe on tman initially, but I'm liking his last couple of posts.

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Elias

- To me, the Rack wagon grew pretty damn fast, and in the event that Rack is town and there was no scum voting for him yet, I didn't want him at L-1 for scum to come in and hammer him. There are enough people with suspicion on them that were on the wagon that a hammer may not have drawn undue suspicion. That's why I unvoted, to drop the wagon by a vote.

implosion

- The sass is fine, as long as you at least occasionally give some content as well. That being said, I really like your last couple of posts.

I believe I am comfortable putting Flames at L-1 though. He has provided very little content, is using weak arguments as his cases and/or is voting with the current wagon (obviously not himself, I mean Rack. Seeing as I don't have any other strong supicions right now,

VOTE: Flames

[shaddowez]

UNVOTE:
Shadow, how is this situation at all different than the wagon on Rack?

Mainly, post count. The wagon on Rack started day 1 with an RVS vote, and grew in just a few days. In that timeframe, and the time since the Flame wagon started, everyone has been posting, and there's been more content to scrutinize.
What does concern me about the new wagon is the fact that pretty much all the votes (including mine) are from people that just hopped from one wagon to the other.

[shaddowez]

I realize I've missed some stuff since my post, so I may be answering stuff that's outdated. However, here it is:

Okay. I'll buy that. What conclusions would you draw from a scum flip? From a town flip?

(2) Can you give us examples?

Going to try and answer both of these at once(ish), so if either of you feel I missed anything, please let me know.

If Flames(Neil) were to be lynched and flip town, I would be inclined to look at the people that jumped from one wagon to the other somewhere around the middle. It gives them the ability to say "We liked the evidence against him" without having to do much of anything.
If he were to flip scum, I'd look at people that jumped as early as possible for bussing.

Elias, and implosion are the two that caught my eye. They both moved their vote to somebody else in between, but they're also both in approximately (or exactly) the same position on each wagon.

Since we got a replacement, want to unvote until I can catch up some.
UNVOTE:

[shaddowez]

Neil

- Who do you think the scummiest people on your wagon are? Also, what do you think of the Rack wagon that happened earlier in the game.

[shaddowez]

I'm still waiting to hear more from Neil before putting my vote back on him. He showed up, got mad, then disappeared again which isn't looking too good.

I'm not sure I like Elias' hop back onto Rack. He never mentioned changing his views on Rack, but had hopped on the wagon, then sheeped Mala when the wagon was losing steam, hopped on the Flames wagon, and now that that's looking a bit shaky he's more interested in a Rack lynch again than the Flames/Neil.

Agar

- What are your thoughts on Elias? You mentioned early on you weren't able to get a read from him and have responded to some of his posts since, but haven't really given a read.

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I really wanted to hear more from Neil before voting, but I'm not liking his disappearing act. I realize that he hasn't been onsite posting anywhere else, but he's also just over 12 hours away from a prod. I don't like the couple of posts that he's made, and while I wouldn't outright pin them as scummy, they do absolutely nothing to up my read from the slot.

VOTE: Neil

That's L-1. I will unvote if Neil starts posting again and I get around to it before somebody hammers.

[shaddowez]

I don't like the claim. I've gone through Flames' ISO and saw no crumbs whatsoever...he knew he was in deep, and while it was RVS he did manage to pick up 4 votes in no time. If he had a PR, one would think that would be a good time to start crumbing. It also reads as a stall tactic - he started posting info, disappeared until what should have been after a prod, claims and says he has to disappear again.

I'm really not liking Anen at this point either. First, he fires off these two posts:

I have an idea.

@Everyone: if you are counterclaiming Neil, DO IT in your very next post!

If there is no counterclaim, we should assume that Neil's claim is real and disband his wagon. (After all, if his claim is fake we'll find that out soon.) If you've posted anything without counterclaiming start posting your other scumreads as soon as you can.

UNVOTE: – I'm willing to revote him if anyone counterclaims but now I'm scared of a derphammer on Neil.

Yes, KittyPryde, but we were wagoning him

before

his claim. Call me a bunny, but I think it's too risky to lynch him. So, counterclaim him or go scumhunting somewhere else.

And then without providing any info, claiming only site rules on why he can't, we get a vote:

I have just done a similar examination as Tammy. I'm not allowed to provide any details (site rules) but I'm almost sure that he's faking.

VOTE: Neil

By the way, there's one thing I don't understand. Many of you are scumreading him without voting for him. Am I the idiot becuase I vote for the one whom I think scum and want to lynch or is there something strange going on?

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Elias

- Please explain how this was defending the slot?

I can get behind the Flames wagon...I don't like decision to speak for Rack in 119, in a defensive sort of way, then in his very next post claim to have a complete turn around on him. Especially considering he mirrors my reasons for thinking Rack is scum...like, exactly mirrors them. In the post DIRECTLY after mine.

VOTE: Flames
That's L-2.

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Elias

- Please explain how this was defending the slot?

I can get behind the Flames wagon...I don't like decision to speak for Rack in 119, in a defensive sort of way, then in his very next post claim to have a complete turn around on him. Especially considering he mirrors my reasons for thinking Rack is scum...like, exactly mirrors them. In the post DIRECTLY after mine.

VOTE: Flames
That's L-2.

That's almost 200 posts ago, when the slot was flames. I said I was down for his wagon, not his lynch. I've been against his lynch since Neil took over.

I'll give you the fact that it was over 200 pages ago. However, you said you were defending the slot, which implies it doesn't matter who the player was. Can you provide me any evidence of you defending the slot before Post #360 when Neil took over? Even your unvote wasn't in defense of the slot, as evidenced here:

Anen: I unvoted because I wanted an answer from Shadow about why his vote was different. Also because I'm about to be outtie for two days.

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Agar

- I had an early townread on you, and you've done nothing to change my mind. I asked you for a read that you didn't want to give, I had no reason to pad my post count or waste time/posts by trying to convince you to do so.

I'm having a hard time getting a read on people for D2. Right now my gut doesn't like Elias or chaos, and the best bet I have regarding Tammy's death points to tman. I'll be looking into ISOing all three of them either tonight or tomorrow night (the latter more likely)

[shaddowez]

Alright, I promised some reads last night, so here they are.

Elias

- Most of D1 was a null read for me, leaning slightly townish. He was casting votes, asking questions, and generally providing reasons for what he was doing. When he asked Mala for her town read on Rack and accepted her answer as "Gut and ~reasons~." I started to pay a bit closer attention, but didn't really find anything scummy. Post #360 is where things start getting wonky. He was on the Flames wagon, then hopped off because he wanted an answer from me and because he was going to be V/LA. He replied to my answer, saying he would "buy that", but never hopped back on the wagon, then started questioning why we were voting Neil. He goes back to voting Rack, who he'd basically been tunneling for the first part of the day.

This is disappointing. I don't buy the claim either. Which makes it unfortunate that I've been the only one defending the slot this whole time.

I don't buy this either, and already called him out on it. He says he was defending the slot, but has only been defending Neil, and by defending we're just talking about the same post again.

I don't have quite enough info from

DV

to change my scum read yet. I like the detail he went into on some of his reads list, but he seems very wishy washy on some of the other reads, sounding as though he wants to follow popular opinion without having much of his own reasoning to back up said opinion.

tman

- He seems to be buddying tammy a little bit in the beginning. He defends the Flames/tammy joke argument that Phok was making, and then brings up tammy's insistence she's town. Doesn't provide much content, and then comments in his read regarding tammy that "I mean, I read her as town, but she's not outstandingly so." (Post #228) Breaks down Anen's reads list, and again doesn't provide much in the way of content. He continues to ask questions, and I like Post #344, but then he seems to fade back and not contribute as much. Also noted, he hasn't posted since the flip except to say he'd post more later.

chaos

- Votes Rack with a naked vote in Post #182 when there's already a decent wagon. When he does give reasons in Post #248, he can't really give reasons on why he finds Rack scummy, although he labels him as an "OMGUS town". Part of why he reads Mala as scummy is she's trying to be "trolly", but Flames' posts were in a "joking nature". He never saw Flames as scum, and then posts

From there his argument with Tammy just comes off to me as someone who realized they were caught in their ways and then is desperately trying to push eyes away form him and onto someone else.

So
Vote:Neil113

I feel that chaos' line here accurately describes exactly what he's doing as well.

He continues to push on Mala, and then in Post #467 states that Mala is his strongest townread, with no reasoning whatsoever.

I'm going to look into some more people as well, but for now I'm going to say my strongest scumread is chaos, and am actually going to
VOTE: chaos

[shaddowez]

My vote on Shaddowez is not really due to anything extra that Shaddowez has done, but more because I've become unsure of Chaos after looking through his posting again with Shaddowez being the next best bet.

So I haven't done anything, but I'm your second best bet on being scum? I'd like to point out that this vote came after me reading your slot as scum, and saying you haven't done anything to change that mind. On that same note, the rest of this post doesn't really do anything to do so either. There's more words without saying much.

(This post is short because it's primarily a prod dodge, will post again tomorrow)

[shaddowez]

First off, slot replacement on my current vote, so until I hear more
UNVOTE:

I've already expressed the opinion that you were the second best bet for scum. You were in the top 3 as early as 488 and undeniably second in 496, yet you only have a problem with it now that I'm voting for you.

More of the problem was that you didn't bother to vote for me until I expressed suspicion of your slot.

Don't worry too much about catching up. Just go from here and if you ever feel like it you can read back a bit

I really don't like this. That's like telling a replacement to not worry about what their slot did or what happened in the rest of the game. Views and opinions should be based on all interactions - any future reads are easily subject to bias by doing this.

[shaddowez]

I always do that... Did it for the Flames/Neil replace too. Unless I'm extremely confident in my read, or there's an investigative claim against a slot, I like to hear from the replacement to make sure it's not a play style thing I wasn't liking.

This was a phone post, will have more to contribute later

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Mala

- I know I'm reaching a bit in the early game for this, but you had Anen as a scum read, and then randomly changed him to a town read. Mind explaining that? I'd also like some of your thoughts on tman - you voted him early on D1 based on RVS, then placed a naked vote on him later in the day, with the only post in-between saying he "feels fake".

Sthar

- Welcome to the game! Have anything to give us yet?

(OOG/OOC - I just figured out you can ISO more than one person at a time!!!!! That makes life so much simpler - and now, back to your regularly scheduled programming)

Here's some thoughts on the tman/Tammy feel I've got:

In Post #45, tman becomes the only person to involve himself in the Tammy/Flames/Phok issue, other than the three of them. While innocuous in and of itself, it could be early buddying/soft defending.
In Post #69, he brings up Tammy insisting she's town, and then just four posts later dismisses it because it looks like something she might normally do.
In Post #90, he goes back to defending the Flames/Tammy voting from a post made 50 posts earlier.

Tammy: I don't see why she's been read as super towny. I mean, I read her as town, but she's not outstandingly so.

Something about this line in his reads list bothers me - there's nothing specific about it, but I just don't like it.
In Post #231, he dissects Anen's reads list, but doesn't touch the read on Tammy.
In Post #336, he singles out a line of Neil's post, where it appears that Neil wasn't reading Tammy's posts.

Tammy doesn't mention tman too much, but does question him in Post #240 about why he dissected Anen's list, and then has this about him in her reads list in Post #438:

Tman's pointing out that I had called myself town several times does not in any way shape or form demonstrate someone who is reading the game and is pointing out motivations. It's a null tell. It's also something that scum can very easily do to look like they're scum hunting. Oh she called herself town too many times, that's scummy. And for Neil to be all "oh I didn't know if anyone would notice it" I mean what? Town and scum have come after me for calling myself town before. It's never stopped me from calling myself town! (What I think makes him look town from the affair is that it looks to me like Rack said this was my scum meta, not long after that Tman pulled up posts where I'm referring to myself being town and says it looks like a joke but do I do it often. Considering that was the most of what I did do, it makes sense that if someone says hey she's scum by meta, he'd go looking. It looks like he took Tman's accusation seriously and went looking for what could make me scum. That's something that I'd expect more from town trying to figure out the game than from scum who would know that Rack was lying.)

None of this is solid evidence, but it's what's pointing me in the direction of believe tman could have been responsible for Tammy's death.

[shaddowez]

God dammit BPC.

UNVOTE:

This is a bad post. And he's just up and hopped on the Chaos wagon, which makes me feel real uneasy about that wagon. Seems very off with his presence there.

VOTE: Shaddowez

I'm unsure how you're referencing the post where I unvote, and in the very next sentence say that you feel uneasy about the wagon since I'm on it.

[shaddowez]

I have a feeling that someone out of these {AGar, Phokdapolees, Implosion, Tman} is lying.

Out of this list, I'd agree with either of the last two. I still think that Agar is town. He's felt that way all game to me, and even his vote on me seems like it's town motivated. He's looking both into what people are saying, along with what I'm saying, and isn't just hopping on a wagon. Phok doesn't have a lot in his ISO, but something about him still feels town to me.

While I almost entirely agree with the reads list Mala gave before the Neil flip, there hasn't been much from her since the flip. I'm still waiting for answers from her, and would like her to come back to the game instead of whatever show she's currently addicted to.

[shaddowez]

Also, it looks like Mala's been posting in quite a few other places. If I don't get answers by tomorrow (RL) night, I'm placing my vote on Mala.

[shaddowez]

I also like how you absolutely ignored the other point brought up. Great selection brah.

I somehow missed this post:

This is weak because it could literally chalk anything up to "Well I guess it was just their playstyle I didn't like!" and that's real bad. Kill this with fire guys. Do it.

Also, accusing tman is bad and you should feel bad.

That or I'm really missing something here.

You're right - it could be that way, but it's not. My last large had people bitching at each other with all out catfights, and most (or all, can't remember exactly offhand) weren't scum. The attitude and issues of that was the cause of more votes than anything, which is why I try to make sure it's not a personality/play style thing I don't like, rather than an actual scum read. If you want to think I'm scum because of that, you're doing the exact thing you're giving me crap about.

As for tman, why do you have such a strong town read on him?

[shaddowez]

You're really scummy. Deal with it.

But I'm not, so there's that.

Shit he did in the early game.

That's useful, thanks. Please elaborate - a lot of people have him read as town, I just don't see it as clearly as other people do.

Mala

- The vote would have just been for pressure, not necessarily because I think you're scum. Thanks for answering though!

Now, onto the meat of my post.

Elias had my attention for a good portion of D1, who got scummier as the day went on. I didn't like his vote placement/movement, and seemed to be doing very little in the way of scumhunting. I held off an opinion of DV until I heard more, which I now have.

In his first real post, Post #486, he uses implosion's list of scum, and narrows it down to three - two of which already have votes on them, and myself, who implosion had made a case about.
Most of his reads in Post #488 aren't too bad, but in reviewing it I found this:

Shaddowez: Mostly a PoE read.

His play in regards to flames/neil is nothing beyond scum as far as I can see

. The main thing holding me back though, as silly as it may sound, is 21. Notice the similarity in style of RVS to flames, while everyone else is different. I feel scum may make more effort to do something different from a buddy, but I consider this point quite weak after some thought.

I didn't notice anything scummy in particular during my read-through

, but I haven't reviewed the most recent case on him properly and will read his own posts more deeply tomorrow.

So, is my play scummy, or did I not do anything scummy that you noticed?

DV has a lot of wishy-washiness going on with his reads, but is sticking with people that are already being viewed as scum. Examples:

However, if you posted something about Oso, that would be great.

His posting makes me very uncertain. I struggle to get anything specifically town-motivated or scum-motivated out of it as I read through, so he defaults to a scumread, but not a strong one.

My vote on Shaddowez is not really due to anything extra that Shaddowez has done, but more because I've become unsure of Chaos after looking through his posting again with Shaddowez being the next best bet.

I'll want to wait for ZZZX before I make any judgements about the slot, but all I want to say is that I've become cautious

This quote is also weak:

I also feel that Shaddowez being the only townread of Flames from 152 that I could see being scum implicates him somewhat

Flames had the following people in his townlist - AGar, Elias, myself, Tammy, and Mala. AGar has been a solid townread by everyone, Tammy had already flipped, and he's not going to point to himself as scum, so that leads to him being able to make this case against me or Mala. At this point, I already have votes on me, making me the easy target.

VOTE: DV

[shaddowez]

BPC

- Post #152 was Flames' reads list that I was referencing.

So town, much content, wow.

Let's agree to disagree and then like five other people will agree with me and you'll be dead and I'll be right!

On the first point, you're convinced I'm scum and are showing confbias, so anything I say you're looking at purely as "How can I twist this to make him look more like scum?". It's useless arguing with you, so I'm not going to take the time to do so, and am instead going to continue trying to hunt for actual scum, which is what you should be doing as well.

For the second point, please indulge me - when I'm wrong and flip town, who will you think is scum?

So, is my play scummy, or did I not do anything scummy that you noticed?

I'm pretty sure it's been established that I don't find you incredibly scummy. You are just the least town for me right now.

I wasn't asking a generic question. I was asking about the quote I included in my post that you conveniently ignored, where you said both things in the same paragraph.

Contradictory DV is contradictory.

I've already expressed the opinion that you were the second best bet for scum. You were in the top 3 as early as 488 and undeniably second in 496, yet you only have a problem with it now that I'm voting for you.

So you're saying I'm the second best bet for scum, but not scummy, just not town, but you're voting me, not trying to find someone you actually think is scum?

Anen

- Reads list incoming at some point tonight (probably earlier rather than later, but no promises).

[shaddowez]

Hey there notty!

[shaddowez]

Reads list as promised, later than I planned:

Agar

- Early and consistent town read. He's been pressuring people for explanations and motives, as well as consistent voting patterns. His tunneling of late has been offputting, but it's probably just me since that's his current target.

Anen

- Town read. Had a pretty weak D1, but was mostly a nulltell with a few scummy posts. D2 has been much stronger, with actual reasons and content in his posts.

BPC

- Currently leaning town on BPC, but will go through the slot. Riabi didn't really have enough content to go off of before his replace out, so was a null tell at the time. Oso's entrance was a bit odd, but I can't say I think it was scummy. IMO it would have been much scummier to come in and hammer off the bat, regardless of the flip. He then does get involved, and gives some pretty detailed answers and reasons to his posts. BPC came in with a substantial reads list pretty much off the bat, then some fluff interlaced with some more content.

DV

- Scum McScumfin. Please see my posts at Post #618 and Post #644 for my DV reads, and Post #513 for where I read Elias as scum right after the replace.

implosion

- Scum. Was going to put reasons here, but ended up too long, so will do so in another post.

Mala

- Null. There's been a lot of joking/fluff mixed in with some thought. Not really getting a scum read at all, but not really a town read either.

ns

- Null, leaning scum on the slot, though I want to hear more from ns. I know I'm in the minority for this one, but there was just something about tman's posts I didn't like.

phok

- Null. Had a weird intro with the whole Flames/Tammy bit and has little content to speak of, but nothing that reeks of scumminess to me.

sthar

- Who? I'm leaning town on the slot, only because I started getting a town read on Rack D1. Grandi gave us nothing to speak of, and we've heard nothing of consequence from sthar.

ZZZX

- Leaning scum on the slot. chaos provided very little content, very weak arguments for the content he did provide, and two reads lists that were almost entirely inverse of each other with no reasonings for most of either.

My current scum pool is {DV, implosion, ns, ZZZX}. The first two are my strongest reads, and subsequent posting from the latter two will solidify my stance on those slots.

[shaddowez]

D1 was full of almost entirely fluff. The biggest town read I have from implosion on D1 is his interaction with Neil. There was already enough pressure on Neil that this seems to pull a lot of attention for what would be a bus. That being said, his voting pattern with regards to the wagon leaves much to be desired. He votes for Flames in Post #208, then rages against Neil and unvotes in Post #318, saying "Although honestly my desire to not unvote is kind of more out of some kind of rage than it is out of thinking his slot is scum". Jumps on again in Post #333, off again in Post #398, and on again in 443, where he also says this:

People keep convincing me he's scum. The weirdest thing about the neil wagon is the sheer fact that I don't hear any loud voices against it. Which means if he's scum, then other scum are keeping quiet/on the sidelines or are bussing pretty strongly. But that's perfectly reasonable.

At the beginning of D2 he builds a case against me, strongly revolving around my vote interaction on the Flames wagon. The

only

vote change I did was due to the replace, which is something I do anytime I have a vote on a slot that replaces (note that I did it for chaos later, and I can point to another game where I've done so if people would like). Hypocrisy much?

He then unvotes me 7 posts later, and then:

@SK

, you forgot to replace Oso with BPC in the votecount.

Anywho, I'm going to do this just because I feel like it/because Oso was replaced, so why not.

Unvote

VOTE: shaddowez

I'm completely behind on this game and there's no chance in hell that I'm ever going to be in the mood to catch up so if there's anything super interesting to point out to me please do so.

I'm going to keep my DV vote for now, but would have absolutely no problem hopping on an implosion wagon.

[shaddowez]

Meant to lead off the previous post by saying it was my detailed read on implosion

[shaddowez]

Can you try to put words to what you didn't like about tman pls shadow

This is the best I have:

tman - He seems to be buddying tammy a little bit in the beginning. He defends the Flames/tammy joke argument that Phok was making, and then brings up tammy's insistence she's town. Doesn't provide much content, and then comments in his read regarding tammy that "I mean, I read her as town, but she's not outstandingly so." (Post #228) Breaks down Anen's reads list, and again doesn't provide much in the way of content. He continues to ask questions, and I like Post #344, but then he seems to fade back and not contribute as much. Also noted, he hasn't posted since the flip except to say he'd post more later.

[shaddowez]

We really need to get a wagon together. We have just over a day left until deadline, a ridiculous spread of votes, and little to no activity right now. I like my DV vote, but am willing to move it back to ZZZX tomorrow to make sure we get a lynch (provided he doesn't come out as obvtown before then).

[shaddowez]

I have to admit sthar, even though I don't agree with it I knew implosion's case on me. The people sheeping him, however, haven't been quite as clear.

Not sure I'll be able to make it back on between now and lynch, and don't want to risk a no lynch. Switching my vote to zzzx for now, but really want to look into DV again tomorrow.

VOTE: zzzx

[shaddowez]

Well done lynching anther townie guys

[shaddowez]

Thanks for the game SK! You did a great job modding (one of the best I've had onsite), and put up with all the replaces, which I applaud you for.

Good job on the game to everybody, as well! Didn't play my best, and got hung for it