Mini 1602: Game Over

Aneninen · Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:34 am

VOTE: Rack

I told my sweetheart

"choose a number between 1 and 13"

. She chose 13. I think I've just started the strongest and most viable case EVER in the history of MafiaScum.

Aneninen · Post Post #135 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:46 am

Oh, lol, Malakittens!

(1) Check out my other games (2 of them are finished) so as to see that I'm giving such silly random votes everywhere.
(2) Since it's over I can tell it: I was active in another game because it had an insane quick endgame. (By the way, it was so quick that I couldn't even follow my own lynch, lololol!) Link if needed: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58191
(3) I haven't posted anything since my RVS, yes, that's true. Why? Let me quote your post 87:

"Is seriously no one picking up on the fact a majority of my posts today was pure troll, joking?"

. I've been unable to understand what the whole whoop-de-doo-lah was about.

Indeed, I don't have too many reads yet. Most of the posts are nulls and fluffs. Tammy and Agar seems to be town. Their posting style, in general. Perhaps Phokdapolees too – can someone explain me the case against him?
Rack is a possible scum, Flames might be his partner in this case (see 119). But my intuition says that we should keep an eye on Implosion as well.

Aneninen · Post Post #137 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:59 am

It should be "Ah-n(e)-

nee

-nenn" or something like that (stress is on the third syllable). But, noone really cares about it. ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #140 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:39 am

Which one of us this time, Kitty Pryde? ^_^ Rack or me? According to your last post I don't understand.
However, it might be because I am an idiot.

Aneninen · Post Post #145 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:01 am

↑ Malakittens wrote:Yeah I meant you instead of quoting you I quoted him. ^

Why exactly did you quote him then? Do I have a scummy name or what? By the way, I wrote you a post, this one: 135.

@Rack

Why do you say that Implosion is town?

Aneninen · Post Post #180 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:59 pm

Kitty, you're after the wrong person. As I said, most of the posts have been nulls, or at least I think so. Such a nullstart is not uncommon. So I'm reading rather than posting. That's all.
Oh, something else. I have a busy day today. I have had busy days since my holiday ended. Plus I'm sick too. Thatswhy you have to wait for answers. In general.
Call me scum for that too. ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #188 (isolation #6) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:05 am

Elias

, why do you sheep Kitty if you have your own scumreads? (148)

Chaos

, can you give any details why do you think Rack and Kitty are scummy? Especially Kitty, because I don't find her scummy.

Aneninen · Post Post #189 (isolation #7) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:16 am

Tman

, that unvote was a wise decision. I myself have been thinking about the same thing even if I find him scummy. Because,
._
|_| this Day has been too short for gathering enough infromation for the town
|_| I'm an idiot who skimms over major tells about others
|_| there is a chance that someone accidentally claims a scum PR here
|_| This game needs pictures about pigeons

(Tick the box beside the answer you like. Use an alcoholic marker pen for your answer. Don't worry, your monitor needed cleaning regardless of this but now finally you've had an argument for doing it.)

Aneninen · Post Post #192 (isolation #8) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:01 am

↑ Elias_the_thief wrote:For two reasons. First, I want to see more posts from you so its not a bad target for my vote. Second, I wanted a straight answer from Mala and sheeping her was a convenient bargaining chip.

Mm-hmm. I agree with the first part. I hope I'll have more time for playing and if so, there will be more posts. Even with

content

!

Aneninen · Post Post #194 (isolation #9) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:37 am

Aneninen · Post Post #212 (isolation #10) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:45 pm

AGar, as far as I know, mods are not allowed to fix tags.
Short reactions (I'm referring to 205) "OP did not deliver" – I'm too waiting for Chaos' answer.
"What the f-ck is this shyt" – that meant that I also had found it strange how fast that wagon had emerged. Even if I think Rack is a possible scum (that'swhy I kept my random vote there), we should keep an I on those who were and are on that wagon. (Yes, this includes me, I'm no exception.) MalaKittyPryde too found the wagon too fast though, I disagree with her: in my opinion the wagon

alone

is not a real tell on Rack.

So,
UNVOTE: – but, Rack, we need more posts (and I still have my FoS on you). You've havent posted anything since you asked about my name.

Riabi, we need more posts from you as well!

Implosion's latest posts have given me town vibes.

Aneninen · Post Post #214 (isolation #11) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:05 pm

Lol, Rack, you've misread that. Check out Kitty's later post: she meant me, not you. ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #216 (isolation #12) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:34 pm

↑ AGar wrote:
↑ Aneninen wrote:AGar, as far as I know, mods are not allowed to fix tags.

They are. Please share how this matters, though.

Are they? Then I've known that rule wrong 'till now. My mistake.

↑ AGar wrote:

↑ Aneninen wrote:Short reactions (I'm referring to 205) "OP did not deliver" – I'm too waiting for Chaos' answer.

Objection your honor - relevance?

What do you mean by that?

↑ AGar wrote:
Your checklist seemed pointless and echoed a common theme I've found in your posting this game - lacking in actual content, high on fluff meant to look witty or clever. Witty and clever don't find scum. Stop making a habit of trying to make your posts look like they are. Start finding scum.

I would start flailing or something like that if I thought that you were wrong. But, you're absolutely right.
Since I relatively new to the site, I can provide only 1 completed game to show you (if needed) that this behavior is not an alignment tell, it's simply an "

oh f-ck, Aneninen is being Aneninen again"

tell. (Should you think that it's worth meta-ing me, ignore my newbie game. My Day1 gameplay was shyt there, I even admitted that later in that game.)

Right now I'm off to work but after that,

finally

I'll have time for not only reading but also ISO-ing, thinking about the posts and writing more content as well.

Aneninen · Post Post #217 (isolation #13) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:43 pm

By the way AGar your latest post has confirmed my townread on you. Thanxs!

Aneninen · Post Post #220 (isolation #14) » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:03 am

Listing is in nowadays, as far as I can see. So, I've ISO-ed everyone and here it comes.

Probably Town

Agar – genuine scumhunting, including eg. 130, 205.

Lean Town

T-man – active reading and it seems that he tries hard. Still, something disturbs me in his posts and I don't know what. (Can anyone help?)
Implosion – his 100+ posts are mostly town-ish, though his vote in 115 was awkward. (So was his explanation about it in 208)
Chaoslord – because his list seems to be genuine, not a simple copy/paste of another list or of the current VC. But, we need more posts!
MalaKitty – many posts are sensible (eg. 87, 93, 97, 128... many). Still, she might be an expert-scum who tries starting cases (42, 129). Though, in my case, apart from the "forced RVS" thing she was right (I was posting elsewhere while producing here null-fluff). So, the latter possibility is not too likely.
Phokdapolees – he simply missed a joke earlier this day. (He gave an answer in 122) Either I'm skimming over major things or his posts have little content. Though, I find nothing really scummy here.

Unsorted

Shadowez – both town (eg. 147, 151) and scum vibes (eg. 150 if I consider 151 townish, or 89).
Tammy – hmmm... I consider this 5 and her similar posts jokes but eg. the vote in 78 was WTF. I don't know, maybe her later posts will help me in my reads.
Riabi – too little content.

Lean scum

Elias – feel free to call me an idiot but I think he's insincere at scumhunting. Even using the word insincere in 55 confirms my feelings. Plus, why does he sheep Kitty with his vote for me if he has scumreads on others? This 190 answer seems to be insufficient.

Probably scum

Rack – a couple of WTFs, like 37, 213. Talking about his previous games with Tammy and not providing anything about them. After that, this vote: 79 (what's the case against Kitty?) and this vote: 96. I think he's simply jumping on random wagons without having any sort of cases.
FlamesAndNumbers – Huh? In 48 he told that they had been joking (with Tammy) yet he responds to Implosion's 39 "I love when people give serious votes but give no reasoning at all." (Though, 2 posts later he suggested us to ignore that quote.) 66 is weak, post 92 is weak as well (tunnelling?). Post 67 and 75 contradicts each other more or less. Having read on, I realized that he had been unable to decide whether protect or attack Rack. 149 is a quotewall with little-to-none additional thoughts.

Note: I don't think that Rack and Flames are scums together (after I ISO-ed both of them). So, either my reads are flawed or I'm wrong about my previous conclusion.

VOTE: Flames – because he looks scummier right now than Rack.

Aneninen · Post Post #223 (isolation #15) » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:17 am

↑ Malakittens wrote:Want to know the problem with lists?
It fences you in. Just when you think someone is scum a list makes you want to call them town. Which destroys any gut feeling I had on them to begin with.

I disagree with you.

First of all, there are no "concrete fences". Reads can change any time.
Second, no lists can be "blind-trusted". Everyone misreads tells, misinterprets facts, skimms over posts, sentences, words.
Your own list helps you a lot sometimes. Eg. "wait... I have a feeling that Mmrnmhrm is scum but wait, in my list XX posts before I thought he was town. Let's check his later posts again whether anything has changed. On the other hand, hadn't I misinterpreted something by calling him town before?"
Others can correct your lists as well. Something like "Did you call Arilou scum because of her YY post? Check out her ZZ post where she explained the thing which gave you scum vibes". (Those were fictional examples, as far as I know there are no players with those names.)

It's just as important (or even more important) to read others' lists. I think towns try to get

real

reads and build up

viable

cases, even if their logic might be flawed by doing those whereas scums tend to pick things out of the thread inconsequently, give references/quotes which are hard to be followed (or give no references at all), intentionally misinterpret posts – or they simply echo others' thoughts.

Of course posting a list

in itself

is neither a scumtell nor a towntell.

Discuss?

Aneninen · Post Post #230 (isolation #16) » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:47 am

↑ Malakittens wrote:Oh that went over your head. I was just lol inserting a half of a greys quote, but messed it up royally because I forgot half of it.

???

↑ Elias_the_thief wrote:
@Aneninen:
I have a couple of questions/requests...
1. Can you go into more detail about why Flames is scum? For instance, what makes 66 and 92 "weak", and how does weak correspond to scummy for you?
2. I feel like you're giving implosion a bit of a free pass. Could you give some examples of his mostly town posts, rather than just stating he's got a lot of them?
3. Why does seeing nothing scummy in Phok's posts make him a town read and not unsorted? It seems odd to me that you would put a player in the town column when you have no town tells to list.

1. His vote against Phokdapolees in 66 is based upon a really weak thing: Phok's interpretation on their joke (with Tammy). Not getting a joke is a null in itself, in my opinion. In 67 he pushes Rack (that's viable), in 75 he told that Rack had wanted to be playful. (How exactly, I think.) In 92 he "attacks" Phok's vote for Rack. For sure, Phok's argument wasn't a strong one but it has been far not the weakest in this thread so far. In 119 he protects Rack yet again,

"If he says he's played with Tammy before, he probably has and he's a confirmed alt as well"

(though in 67 he wanted a reference from Rack). In 149 he left alone Phokdapolees – I think he had realized that that wagon hadn't been moving. That post has very little content. Here he brought up yet again that Rock hadn't given references about Tammy. (Yet another contradiction.) I don't know why Rack's MalaKitty vote was town in his opinion. At the end of the post Flame brought up (in my opinion) real scumtells against Rack but for that he needn't have made a long quote with "playful/seem town/etc" before that.
In general, he is producing inconsistent and "it looks as if it contained more information than it contains" posts (unless I've seriously skimmed over something) and I usually consider this a scumread.

2. Implosion hasn't got a free pass, he's on the lean town tier with many other players. 68 would get a similar read from me as Rack's post since he talked about Tammy without giving a reference but he gave one in 71 (town/null tell, unsure). I agree with 70 on the other hand (so, a minor town vibe for that). Apart from the vote 115 looks like a genuine one; he must have thought for real about those things (on the other hand, I'm not sure about the conclusion of him). 208 and 209 seem to be genuine list-reads (even if I disagree with some of those reads). (His next post is a mere recapitulation, no new info there). However, 226 is a WTF. That question went for me, didn't it?

3. Phokdapolees. Missing a joke is a null. The "lean town" read is more-or-less a gut read: the way the tried to explain himself (eg. about the joke) felt townish. I think he tries to get reads but he fails to get good bits. (Another intuitive tell, I admit.)

↑ tman2nd wrote:Aneninen: He has a slow start, but I think that might just his playstyle. There's something kind of awkward about their posts, but that's not necessarily due to scumminess. There's something I don't quite like about their read list, but can't quite figure out what it is. I'm not sure how to read him.

Sometimes I have enough time for contentful posts, sometimes nothing. Sometimes I read without posting (mostly from mobile). Sometimes I'm away for a while due to work or other things. Maybe thatswhy I'm unpredictable: sometimes I react almost instantly, sometimes I bring up posts which are older than a coelacanth. Does this explain anything for you?

Aneninen · Post Post #232 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:34 am

So many things to answer...

↑ tman2nd wrote:

Aneninen wrote:Chaoslord – because his list seems to be genuine, not a simple copy/paste of another list or of the current VC. But, we need more posts!

Overall that looks more null to me.

My read is a mixture of intuition and meta.

↑ tman2nd wrote:

Aneninen wrote:...Still, she might be an expert-scum who tries starting cases (...) but not too likely (my own quote has been edited by me).

What do you mean by "expert-scum who tries starting cases"?

I read on the Wiki that scums rarely launch new cases, they mostly join existing ones. Though it's possible that article on the Wiki is outdated.

Tman2nd wrote:
What's scummy about 89?

"Have we ended RVS? Some of these votes seem serious, while others still seem like they're joking around."

– As if there were a line between two certain post like "above this: RVS – below this: real votes". That two sentences sounded like an "I want to find an excuse for my vote if you find my arguments invalid" in my mind...

"I don't like the fact that Flames had such a large wagon so quick in RVS."

– Large wagon? With 2 names? WTF? Rack's wagon was just as large. If I count Elias' vote in 88 Rack had 3 votes, Flame had 1!
His vote for Phok seems to be a semi-RVS (the case before it is not a well-built one in my opinion) – though, I may be wrong about this one.

Tman2nd wrote:But, 39 was a serious vote. 149 was him showing that he's changing his mind.
I don't like it for separate reasons.

I'm interested in your explanation about the underlined part.

↑ tman2nd wrote:

Aneninen wrote:Note: I don't think that Rack and Flames are scums together (after I ISO-ed both of them). So, either my reads are flawed or I'm wrong about my previous conclusion.

Why not?

It's about Flames' vote on Rack. As far as I can remember, so far Rack's had the longest wagon. If both of them were scum, such a hard-bussing on Day1 would be a bad gameplay, in my opinion.
That'swhy I said that either one of my scumreads – {Flames, Rack} – is wrong or my logic about the fact that they can't be scum together is wrong.

Aneninen · Post Post #247 (isolation #18) » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:14 pm

↑ shaddowez wrote:
↑ Aneninen wrote:

"I don't like the fact that Flames
had
such a large wagon so quick in RVS."
– Large wagon? With 2 names? WTF? Rack's wagon was just as large. If I count Elias' vote in 88 Rack had 3 votes, Flame had 1!

Bolded above - had, not has. Flames got up to 4 votes in RVS in no time, which is what I was commenting on.

I see. You must have meant the first page. That sentence is a null then. What is more, a 4-player-wagon in RVS is strange indeed. I don't know what it means but maybe you're right and we should remember that fact later.

Aneninen · Post Post #252 (isolation #19) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:27 am

163 can't have been an OMGUS because I have never voted for Malakittens. (Or some players mean a different thing by OMGUS than I do.)

Aneninen · Post Post #262 (isolation #20) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:07 am

Elias: remember, I talked about feelings:

"Even using the word insincere in 55 confirms my

feelings

."

As for 190, this was insufficient:

"Second, I wanted a straight answer from Mala and sheeping her was a convenient bargaining chip."

I know you're V/LA now but if you read this: have you gotten the answers you searched for? If so, can you link them?

Aneninen · Post Post #263 (isolation #21) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:09 am

Rack

,

Spoiler:

Aneninen · Post Post #267 (isolation #22) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:04 pm

↑ Elias_the_thief wrote:I still don't understand the first point. Thinking a player is 'adjective' because they used 'adjective' still makes no sense to me, even in the realm of feelings. If I had worded it differently (ex. "Do you not think the post was sincere?") would it have negated your feelings?

Strange but yes... repeating the two sentences in my mind generates a different vibe. You can call me an idiot for it.
By the way, my questions have been answered, I think and I consider our discussion a mild towntell on you.

Aneninen · Post Post #286 (isolation #23) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:22 pm

↑ Elias_the_thief wrote:I mean self-preservation is not quite as strong a motivator on the town side as the scum side, but neither is trying to get themselves lynched.

I agree. Everyone try to avoid getting lynched, regardless of their alignment, even if a scumlynch hurts the scum faction much more than a townlynch the town faction. So, trying to survive a Day (or trying to survive it at all costs) is not a real tell in most cases. (Of course, there are exceptions.)

Elias, why exactly did you unvote Flames in your next post?

↑ shaddowez wrote:
↑ Elias_the_thief wrote:UNVOTE:
Shadow, how is this situation at all different than the wagon on Rack?

Mainly, post count. The wagon on Rack started day 1 with an RVS vote, and grew in just a few days. In that timeframe, and the time since the Flame wagon started, everyone has been posting, and there's been more content to scrutinize.¹
What does concern me about the new wagon is the fact that pretty much all the votes (including mine) are from people that just hopped from one wagon to the other.²

(1) I like this answer.
(2) Can you give us examples?

Aneninen · Post Post #297 (isolation #24) » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:04 am

Chaos,
I posted it in 220, and I had a conversation with Tman and Elias later, we talked about Flames too. You can check that as well. There is something else. Flames showed up once since that post and gave no reaction to my reads. Right now he seems to be lurking. These are minor, but further scumtells in my eyes.

Your question about MalaKitty is good. Can we have an explanation, Kitty?

Aneninen · Post Post #337 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:53 am

Hi there, Neil!

Sorry to say, your posts haven't changed my read on your slot so far.
I must agree with Phok and Tman, 312 was scummy. I must add, your catching-up posts are thorough indeed, but my intuitions says you're just trying to make us tired and to buy yourself some time.

Aneninen · Post Post #346 (isolation #26) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:00 am

↑ AGar wrote:
↑ tman2nd wrote:I don't get what you mean by "make us tired and buy yourself some time."

Generally speaking, it's a viable scum tactic to post walls and walls of useless bullshit that people read and then finish reading and just want to walk away from the computer because they were exhausting.

Yes, Niel and Tman, I meant exactly that.
But, I must admit, Neil, you're right in one thing. You replaced into a scumread slot which makes all of us biased. (Even if many of us think that so far you've failed to change this picture.) I, personally find your wallposts tiring because it's hard to follow them (because you don't use links or concrete references like this: 346) and your +/– system doesn't help me to read them. Despite of this, I think we should wait 'till you catch up with the whole thread and summarize your reads. (Who's scum/town and in a few sentences, why?) So, take your time!

↑ tman2nd wrote:
On a completely non-game related note,

@Aneninen
Do you like oranges?

Yes, I do ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #381 (isolation #27) » Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:19 pm

There's not much to say now. Neil should finish his catchup or at least, post something. As far as I know Mala promised a detailed post. And Phok could give more explanation about his list. Have I left out something?

Aneninen · Post Post #390 (isolation #28) » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:55 am

I have an idea.

@Everyone: if you are counterclaiming Neil, DO IT in your very next post!

If there is no counterclaim, we should assume that Neil's claim is real and disband his wagon. (After all, if his claim is fake we'll find that out soon.) If you've posted anything without counterclaiming start posting your other scumreads as soon as you can.

UNVOTE: – I'm willing to revote him if anyone counterclaims but now I'm scared of a derphammer on Neil.

Aneninen · Post Post #393 (isolation #29) » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:58 am

Yes, KittyPryde, but we were wagoning him

before

his claim. Call me a bunny, but I think it's too risky to lynch him. So, counterclaim him or go scumhunting somewhere else.

Aneninen · Post Post #423 (isolation #30) » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:55 am

I have just done a similar examination as Tammy. I'm not allowed to provide any details (site rules) but I'm almost sure that he's faking.

VOTE: Neil

By the way, there's one thing I don't understand. Many of you are scumreading him without voting for him. Am I the idiot becuase I vote for the one whom I think scum and want to lynch or is there something strange going on?

Aneninen · Post Post #425 (isolation #31) » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:58 am

No objections here.

*Handing the hammer to Tman so that he can give it to Kitty*

Aneninen · Post Post #444 (isolation #32) » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:57 pm

@Shadowez, 432: you're absolutely right, my posts – 390, 393, 423 – were weak.
In general, I think it's too risky to lynch a player who claimed a PR. But, it seemed that most of the players weren't buy the claim so I started thinking that I was naive unvoting Neil. That'swhy I gathered some additional information about Neil so as to get an own opinion instead of merely sheeping the majority. The

"I have just done a similar examination as Tammy."

meant Tammy's previous post, 422. That's all I can say.

Aneninen · Post Post #462 (isolation #33) » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:43 pm

As it has been pointed out by Implosion, the Flames/Neil wagon is very interesting.

About this topic...

Spoiler:

Summary.
Having examined the votes I got the following conclusions.

Town: AGar, Phokdapolees
Lean town: Chaos, Implosion + MalaKitty (the latter one is a general read, it has nothing to do with the votes)

...Huh? (can't sort them, the list shows a town -> scum order, though it's mostly intuitional):
Shadowez – He could have been lean town on this list but Implosion's wall about the topic made me think. Maybe my reads are wrong.
Oso – More information is needed.
Rack – Away from the Flames/Neil wagon but, Flames was on his wagon for a long time. Rack's posts don't give me town vibes.
Elias – Away from the wagon, weak defense attemps on that slot eg. 278, 360, weak explanation for that in 431 but, in general his posts are not particularly scummy.

Scum: Tman

VOTE: Tman2nd

Aneninen · Post Post #466 (isolation #34) » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:55 pm

You both should examine Tman. In return, I'll examine Oso.

Aneninen · Post Post #478 (isolation #35) » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:53 am

So, as I promised, some reads about Oso.

389/401 – well, AGar has just summarized something in 476. I admit that I haven't noticed it before. I thought that a Cop CC might have been a good idea but since many other players posted that it would have been bad, I only concluded that I had a bad idea – and never thought about the authors of the posts any more. However, the thing pointed out by AGar is interesting – though, it's also possible that Oso didn't suspect that anyone would propose a CC afterwards.

410 – I disagree with the first part but agree with the next part (after the quote). As far as I can see he corrected the first part in his next post. Could it be a towntell, a genuine thread-reading? I don't know.

414 – I wonder why he asked

"MalaKitty, what if Niel is exactly what he claims, A Cop? Is chaos still scum?"

(the quote has been edited by me for better understanding). Why was it interesting at that point?

417 – Why was he interested in Chaos that much? A Neil/Oso/Chaos scumteam? Might be, but – making guesses like this after one single scumflip would be too brave. Plus, I don't think Chaos is scum.

427 – He mentioned that he would hammer Neil but, he ended up not voting for him. Hmmm...

457 – I can't find new reads here; all I can see is hesitancy and repeating others' content. Unless the stuff he mentioned about Shadow. He mentioned that he would revisit Shadowez' posts next day. That must be 473 but there are no strong reads, nor new pieces of information there.

468 – I don't understand why he mentioned my post about the CC (even if it was a bad idea). But, the first part of the post might be true. He could have make the game stalled on Day1 but, he didn't do it. Though, this gameplay might be a WIFOM too.

Conclusion: lean scum. My reads are not too strong, but it seems that he's not scumhunting. Also, I have a feeling that he tries keeping himself "under the radar". Even if he's not my strongest scumread now, I wouldn't protest if he was about to get lynched.

@MalaKitty. Should you have time for that, I'd like to read more about your case against Chaos.

Aneninen · Post Post #495 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:44 pm

Rack has posted nothing on this site since 31/08. Where is he anyway?

DeasVail's catchup posts seem to be genuine, which may be a towntell. However, if you posted something about Oso, that would be great. I don't think the post from Tman you mentioned is not a towntell. I may consider your read about Chaos later.

AGar, what's your opinion about Tman?

Aneninen · Post Post #516 (isolation #37) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:42 pm

Tman: my scumread on you is based upon the Day1 vote movement, you can check it in the spoiler part of the post linked by you. However, I think I should examine other possibilities too. I might have misinterpreted or skimmed over facts.

Aneninen · Post Post #517 (isolation #38) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:22 pm

@Grandi: Hi there! I'm waiting for some details about your readlist. It seems that there are too few scums on it. And good luck for the interview! ^_^

@Chaos: I'm waiting for some details about your read list.

___

On Oso:

Spoiler:

In general, I'm still unsure about Oso. The first part gives town vibes (unless there's an Oso/Chaos scumteam), the next part is null, the third part gives scum vibes (survival gameplay), and the case against Phokdapolees may come from a townie or a scum either (a kind of WIFOM, jumping on an existing wagon would be scummy while a new case is town-ish, but the case in itself is weak...) The fact that Oso's answer is very detailed and seems to be well-based (even if I disagree with many things) is a mild townread.
Frankly, I don't know.

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↑ phokdapolees wrote:Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches. Plus chaos has been laying low for most of the game, which he also did in my mini normal, where he was scum.

You may be true about the Oso part.
However, I don't think either Tman or me are easy lynches now. Tman has only one vote now, my one, even if many players have mentioned him in their posts. As far as I can remember, most players have a townread on me right now. By the way, how do you know that we're "

(mis)

lynches"

?

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@Shadowez, 513.
As for DeasVail, we need more posts.
As for Tman, you're right, he doesn't provide too much content. I've examined only his votes before but this might strengthen my scumread on him. (Though I know that I might be wrong about him.)
As for the first two posts you mentioned about Chaos: I've already seen a town-Chaos doing the same – though, it doesn't prove that he's town now.
By the way, your links are not working.

Nevertheless, I'll ISO Chaos as soon as I have time for that but meanwhile, I'd like to hear more from MalaKitty and DeasVail about the topic.

Aneninen · Post Post #529 (isolation #39) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:53 am

↑ phokdapolees wrote:@anen: True, you're not easy lynches at this very moment,
but it'd be most likely be much easier to push a case and lynch on you or tman than anyone else.
(...)

Why do you think so? I still don't think that too many players would keep me on their scumlist and it's only me who's been trying pushing the Tman wagon.

↑ DeasVail wrote:
My vote on Shaddowez is not really due to anything extra that Shaddowez has done, but more because I've become unsure of Chaos after looking through his posting again with Shaddowez being the next best bet.

What have you found reading Chaos? Also, besides it's a PoE (as far as I know), are there any reasons for your Shadowez vote?

Aneninen · Post Post #532 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:15 am

Chaos-mix.

First of all, his voting pattern (see 462) gives him a lean scum read.

As for his posts:

182 – a readlist. I reflected to this before, very little explanation but at least, it hadn't been a "copycat" list.

248 – the Rack-case is okay, the MalaKittyPryde case is weak. (Though, I might be biased because of my own reads.)

256 – about Flames/Neil; unsure how to interpret this, it could come from a townie and from a scum player too.

339 – i still think that would have been an unnecessary vote if Chaos were scum. 341 seems to be a town-push for me. 412 too.

364 – how exactly did that post make sense? (Did I skim over something? I don't really understand his next three posts but in this case I daresay, I might have forgotten the topic of those dialogues.)

467 – and MalaKitty was his strongest townread at that time? What had changed? Hadn't he scumread her before? Weird.

503 – yet again, there was not too many reasoning here. He promised that he would make a longer post but that hasn't happened yet.

Conclusion. Call me an idiot but I still don't find anything obviously scummy here. He's still lean town on my list.

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Hi, BipolarChemist! ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #556 (isolation #41) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:26 am

Hi, Sthar8! ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #561 (isolation #42) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:55 pm

↑ Malakittens wrote:
↑ Aneninen wrote:Tman: my scumread on you is based upon the Day1 vote movement (...)

yeah not sure if this makes him scum. Why would scumbuddy jump off a wagon that he knows will get lynched in teh future due to fake claiming.
doesn't make sense, sorry~

I have been thinking. You may be right.

UNVOTE:

↑ Malakittens wrote:hmm, I thought I saw a post that made someone town. I actually thought it was Chaos, but it in fact wasn't. I need to find that post right now.¹

@agar: Why are you more confident that scum-day talk is becoming more popular in normal games?²

(1) Have you found it yet?
(2) Given that it's not mentioned in the setup, I assume that there's no Mafia Daytalk. I don't think it has become more popular.

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@BipolarChemist, 547
On AGar: lol, he's not a girl ^_^ Otherwise, I agree
On Chaos: that Day1 defence on Flames might have been a bad read on him too. Or at least, that would be a lame gameplay from a scum.
On MalaKitty: WIFOM? You told us that we should ask questions. Here is one: why?
On me: ...you know me, aren't you, ^_^ A couple of games and there will be a standard "Aneninen is just being Aneninen" phrase for that.
On Phokdapolees: he's definitely not the most exciting one here but what if he's bored?
On Grandi: I wouldn't say anything now. Rack appeared to be scummy but we need much more content from this slot. Much more!

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↑ implosion wrote:

Unvote

Vote: shaddowez

I'm completely behind on this game and
there's no chance in hell that I'm ever going to be in the mood to catch up
so if there's anything super interesting to point out to me please do so.

Uhhh... I must agree with Tman's next post (552), that highlighted part was weak.
Do something "stronger", please. As a start, post something about Shadowez. Do you have any new reads on him?

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↑ sthar8 wrote:Hey Anen! I'm doing this one just like BPC's game, but with more proficiency. If you remember what I required upon replacing in, go do it please!

Well, at least we can do this only better than that one ^_^
As for your request, apart from Neil's fake-Cop claim there were no other claims and Night Actions (apart from the kill).
Tammy was pro-town. (Flipped VT.)
Your slot was considered scummy during the era of Rack, though that quickwagon against Rack was disturbing. Grandi provided very little content, merely a readlist without any reasoning.
As far as I know, the following slots are considered scum by certain players: Oso/BipolarChemist, Chaoslord/ZZZX, Shadowez. Maybe Phokdapolees. You could start examining those. Mind that BipolarChemist and ZZZX are fresh replacements as well.

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Aneninen · Post Post #564 (isolation #43) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:35 pm

Hi, ZZZX!

AGar, why had been that post you mentioned that bad?

Aneninen · Post Post #582 (isolation #44) » Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:48 pm

BipolarChemist, 568 and 569 –
as for Shadowez, are you saying that he has a survival gameplay?
As for Implosion: what do you mean by that "Autoscum! WIFOM!" part? Do you think a page1 post is relevant now? And he was voting for Shadowez in 551...
As for Tman: maybe you're right here.

BipolarChemist, 570 – uhh, are you just buddying AGar and Tman? Why did you call Sthar8 and ZZZX a--holes?

BipolarChemist, 571 – uhh-squared! What blatant buddying! Are you trying to build a townblock or what? As if we were sure that you are town.

Shadowez, 579 – as for the first part: I'd be interested in MalaKitty's answer too. I don't see the relevance of the other part.

AGar, 580 – the last part of Shadowez' post might have been weak but the thing he quoted from DeasVail wasn't stronger either. But uhhh... that "to make sure it's not a play style thing I wasn't liking" from Shadowez that was bad indeed.

There are so many things about Shadowez and I wish I found something about him by myself as well. BipolarChemist is another one whom I'm watching closely. Apart from that buddying something else disturbs me in his posts too. DeasVail is a question mark. We need more posts from ZZZX and Sthar8. Where is MalaKitty? I have a feeling that someone out of these {AGar, Phokdapolees, Implosion, Tman} is lying.

Aneninen · Post Post #590 (isolation #45) » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:35 am

Aaaand let's summarize the relevant content of the 3 latest posts:

Aneninen · Post Post #610 (isolation #46) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:51 am

@BipolarChemist: because Pigeons are funny.

Also,
VOTE: BipolarChemist ,
because you haven't answered anything I asked in 582 (yet you've posted many other things),
because I've read your catching-up post again and somehow it looks as if it contained many pieces of information but it isn't (maybe it's just me, but I'd have been happier with a porbably town/lean town/unsure/lean scum/probably scum list or something like that),
because Oso was FoS in my eyes

This read may change later, of course, and I really want to see more content from Sthar8 and Tman. (Malakitty seems to have answered everything you all asked from her.)

Aneninen · Post Post #612 (isolation #47) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:02 am

Firstly, because I'm the pigeon among the cats.
Secondly, I don't know.
Thirdly, If I could be any chess piece, I think I would be the cow.
And finally, because I'm weird.

Aneninen · Post Post #620 (isolation #48) » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:24 pm

@Tman:

-squared! I was about to ask questions.

@BipolarChemist: As for Tman, I meant this:

"There’s something about post #106 that reads town to me. It’s like his thought process came about as he was writing it instead of having a predetermined “I’m going after this person” thing."

– You must remember that Tman used to be my strongest scumread but, since most of the players have a different opinion I had to reconsider my reads. So, I'm pretty unsure about him now and the word

"maybe"

showed it.

Also, you're saying that most of the things I pointed out were jokes. Well, it will sort itself out, I suppose. Let's see whether the others consider them jokes too.
I know that I tend to fluff a lot, however, in this particular game, especially on Day2, I haven't posted the usual amount of "Aneninen-fluff" so far.

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I would like to see a readslist from BipolarChemist and Shadowez. Because, it seems that BC has either no real/strong scumreads or I've skimmed over something. In contract, Shadowez seems to have too many scumreads.

Aneninen · Post Post #641 (isolation #49) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:07 am

Erm... I know that I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box but something is strange.

I thought I was the only one who scumread BPC. And now I've seen that both MalaKitty and Phokdapolees calls him a possible scum. Have I skimmed over something? Or have these scumreads just come out of nowhere?

Aneninen · Post Post #680 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:53 pm

Oh shyt we're going to run out of time.
It seems that I'm on a vanity wagon right now. I'll read a couple of things again and find a better place for my vote, I suppose. Unless someone wants to join me...

Aneninen · Post Post #697 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:54 pm

So, I'm trying to find out something.

Shadowez, 644 – most of this post can be come from either a town- or a scum-mindset.

Sthar8, 647 – you called me a pigeon-pervert. Strange... By the way, it seems that we're already forgotten that his slot was amongst the popular scumreads on Day1.

Shadowez, 651 – though I don't agree with certain points (eg. MalaKitty, BPC), we should remember this readlist in case of Shadowez is getting lynched and flips town. (Also his next post about Implosion. And I hope that they aren't double-bussing each other Today.)
Notscience/Sthar8/MalaKitty conversation, from 654 – a big null, in my opinion.

Implosion, 668 – hmmm... I see your points. You're obsessed with the scum!Shadowez thought of yours but your posts about the topic are convincing.

Sthar8, 669 – you want us to vote for Phok but you've posted very little content about him. Weird.

DeasVail, 670 – so, you're happy with both of the prominent wagons. We should remember this fact later.

Implosion, 681 – that's right and I'm doing what you've requested.

ZZZX, 684 – thanks for not posting anything useful. That really helped a lot now. ^_^

BipolarChemist, 690 – I posted my reasons for scumreading you along with my vote.

"I wouuuulllddd vote Shaddowez, but the only thing holding me back is DV's vote on them."

– ignore DV and vote for Shadowez. By the way, if Shadowez gets lynched and flips scum, will you call DeasVail's vote bussing?

Sthar8, 692 – given that how little time we have now, this post was very weak. You don't like these wagons, do you? I too could imagine better wagons but, right now we should choose one of them.

"If someone could be bothered to say WHY we're voting shadow?"

I think both DeasVail and AGar have posted about the topic. As for Implosion, his

whole

Day2 is about the topic. ^_^ (What if my reads about BPC are wrong and there is a Sthar8/Shadowez scumteam?)

In conclusion,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shadowez
My reasons:
(1) I hadn't believe in the scum!Chaos theory before ZZZX arrived
(2) Implosion has kept saying "let's lynch Shadowez" all the time but, his arguments are strong (yes, you can call me a sheep now)
(3) Having ISO-ed him again I found nothing which I'd consider "definitely town-motivated".
(4) To tell the truth, he's not my strongest scumread but this wagon is much better than the ZZZX one.

Tomorrow, we should focus on BPC and Sthar8 – especially if Shadowez flips scum.

Aneninen · Post Post #725 (isolation #52) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:38 pm

↑ sthar8 wrote:K so as far as I can tell, BPC was the probable bodyguard target. If nobody disagrees that probably means he's off the table, not that I was scumreading him anyway.

Could you back this statement with some quotes?

By the way, I too think that DeasVail wasn't the original target. There are a couple of players who have been townread by most – or even: all – of us. The scums might have tried to shoot one of them.

Aneninen · Post Post #739 (isolation #53) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:10 am

↑ sthar8 wrote:
↑ Aneninen wrote:
Could you back this statement with some quotes?

629 and 631

@ implosion- the assumptions on which my logic is based are:
A. DV is a competent player
B. A successful bodyguard with announced target is slighty stronger than a tracker innocent (and also a good thing)
C. The safest and strongest method of crumbing a bodyguard is by announcing a townread on the target

It is probable that DV protected BPC. I don't believe BPC was a bad scumkill yesterday (unless there's something I'm missing?)

I'm still not convinced though, it can't be ruled out that the scums wanted to kill BPC.
Or – referring to your later posts – was this a reaction test?

Also, I'm going to read Day2 again. Somehow I can feel in my veins that we're skimming over something important. Someone whom we should consider obv-town posted something and we've been ignoring that. (I know it sounds like mystic-fluff now but this is a reminder for myself.)

Aneninen · Post Post #754 (isolation #54) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:33 am

So, let's see Day2 again.
It will be pretty much inconsistent because I wrote down everything that I found interesting, strange or suspicious – even if I haven't been able to conclude anything out of them yet.

Spoiler:

Conclusions,

Spoiler:

VOTE: BipolarChemist
See the spoilers for details.

Aneninen · Post Post #765 (isolation #55) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:22 pm

@BPC – my case is pretty much the same as it was Yesterday even if you consider it shyt. I'm not saying that you're buddying AGar; I find it strange that he used to have a case against your slot and that case disappeared into nothingness, without any arguments, right as you arrived. As for Sthar8, he has kept saying that you're obvtown because DeasVail was bodyguarding you but (1) I'm unsure about his reasoning and (2) I've never said that you've been trying buddying him.

@AGar – it's strange that you tell us now that you refuse to read spoilered cases. There were such cases on Day2 too, eg. Implosion's 456 or 462 from me.

@NotScience – feel free to ask if you don't understand something. Also, we need more posts!

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However, as for my previous posts. As I mentioned before, I'm not sure whether everything written there is relevant and I've been unable to draw a conclusion from everything collected. Still, there are questions need answering by us.

(1) Can Sthar8 be right about DeasVail's action? If so, does it make BPC clear? If not, is it a bad read by a townie or an intentional "diversion" by a scum? (Also, can Sthar8 and BPC be scum together and is BPC distancing himself by voting for him?)

(2) Whom did DeasVail protect? Did he protect anyone at all? In other words: who were his strongest townreads? (It's a thing that he mentioned "BPC is town" in his late-posts but there were other townreads on his list: AGar, MalaKitty, Implosion, Phok, Tman, Sthar8.)

(3) Isn't it strange that the ZZZX case survives that long even if he hasn't posted anything useful for a long time? (My experience shows that games usually have "short term memory"; I mean, cases against players with content tend to dissolve themselves after a while.)

(4) What if someone performed a chainsaw against Shadowez? His scumpool were DeasVail, ZZZX and NotScience early-Day2 and he added Implosion later. ZZZX was the counterwagon. (There was no strong wagon against DV or Tman/Notscience.) On the Shadowez wagon there were the following players: DeasVail, Implosion, AGar, Aneninen, Sthar8 and BipolarChemist. DV is dead. Sthar8's vote and my one were compromising votes, both of us would have lynched someone else. So, Implosion, AGar and BPC remains. Implosion had launched a case against Shadowez before Shadowez posted his reads. In my opinion AGar is scum only if he's scum with BPC, in this case there was no chainsaw. However, would a ZZZX/BPC wagon be possible? (Either I'm a monomaniac or here's yet another thing which points towards BPC...)

Aneninen · Post Post #769 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:18 am

Hi and welcome, No-point-in-acting-up! Is there a short form of your name?

Aneninen · Post Post #788 (isolation #57) » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:43 pm

@NPIAU: Have I skimmed over your conclusion or you haven't posted it yet?

@Notscience: that is one possible theory but it seems to be too "vague". I mean, there may be at least 1 scum in a 4-player pool – 9 players are alive in total...

Aneninen · Post Post #796 (isolation #58) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:38 pm

↑ AGar wrote:
↑ Aneninen wrote:@AGar – it's strange that you tell us now that you refuse to read spoilered cases. There were such cases on Day2 too, eg. Implosion's 456 or 462 from me.

They were unimportant and I hoped it was a passing trend. Is this really the most important thing you have to say?

I'm still using spoilers for long posts because I hate scrolling the un-spoilered walls over and over by reading or re-reading the thread.

Do I have something more important to say? Well, I think most of the players have become quite inactive recently and I don't have too much thing I can respond to.

However, there is something.
My main reason for calling Phok town is his Day1 voting pattern, detailed in my post 462. For those who are voting for Phok: please, explain why my logic is flawed if I townread him and/or point out as many things as you can about the scum!Phok.

Aneninen · Post Post #806 (isolation #59) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:12 pm

@NPIAU So, are you saying that Phok removed his vote from the Flames wagon performing a weak excuse for doing that? Phok's 91 seems to be null for me. What is disturbing me in the scum!Phok theory is VC1.13. After Neil's arrival the former wagon against Flames started to disband. Phok jumped on it and it looks like an unnecessary bussing for me. He could have jumped on the Tman wagon or could have returned to the Rack wagon. The VCA of Day2 tells me nothing about Phok. The only thing i noticed that he keeps producing very little content.

By the way, I found something interesting. Implosion says in 19 the following:

"Flames isn't scummy though."

. Isn't it a strange ascertainment on the first page? (Or was it a joke I don't understand?)

@Sthar8: what's your case against Phok?

@MalaKitty: Why do you think NPIAU is scum?

Aneninen · Post Post #822 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:50 pm

Hi, Bert!

@Sthar8, as for Phok.
(1) is not too strong in my eyes, after all he didn't try hard to resist and he could have sheeped me by voting for BPC if he were scum (as far as I know, I'm the only one who's already provided a case against BPC).
(2) may be true but I think his vote was unnecessary. In that situation he could have supported another case instead. Though, as far as I can remember, Neil was strongly townreading Phok which might be a bad gameplay but still, might be an (yet again, unnecessary) soft-defense.
(3) is definitely true. I can also add: he has been pretty active on this site – apart from this thread. Hmmmmm...

Aneninen · Post Post #825 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:11 pm

I'll be thinking about these things, Sthar8. But now, I think we should wait for Bert's catch-up. By the way, Bert: are you the same Bert with a different name whom I've known from another game?

Aneninen · Post Post #827 (isolation #62) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:08 am

Is there anyone still here?
If not, SleepyKrew, let's talk about something. ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #844 (isolation #63) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:49 pm

I'm working so infrequent mobile posts. I confirm sthar8's meta about chaos. I think i have already mentioned it before but right now I'm unable to search for that.

Aneninen · Post Post #846 (isolation #64) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:17 pm

Bert. I can see plenty of small posts with no relevant content. Will you post some reads or a read list?

Agar. Why is 725 important now?
Also, are you scumreading me? Can it be a consequence of the fact that I proposed you might be scum with BPC?

Everyone. Henceforth, my gameplay will change. I realized an hour ago or so that I'm shyt.

Aneninen · Post Post #855 (isolation #65) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:25 pm

@Mod

Can we have some extra time, pretty please? Yes I'm selfish because the BPC-slot has been scumread by me.

Aneninen · Post Post #857 (isolation #66) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:51 pm

@NPIAU: I know that my gameplay has been terrible so far and I must change.
BUT
There are no big wagons now. Most players are posting no content or literally nothing. Three of them are not voting. And you're concerned about my vote??! How does that make sense? Since when has been being on V/LA an alignment tell?

Also,

↑ nopointinactingup wrote:Guys, only 2 days till deadline. We need VOTES, and we need votes on wagon please.
I'm fine with either Phok or Implosion getting lynched
today so consider my vote to be on both of 'em

↑ nopointinactingup wrote:~
Sorry, I mean *Bert/Phok

↑ nopointinactingup wrote:
Oh so we actually have more than 3 days left.

In that case.
Unvote.Vote: Implosion

It's not only MalaKitty who wanted an explanation. And your next post is pretty much a WTF? Neither Implosion nor Bert had posted anything after your quoted posts and before your explanation.

@Mod

Yippie!

Aneninen · Post Post #865 (isolation #67) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:31 am

Okay, I'll ISO Implosion's recent posts later.

Aneninen · Post Post #868 (isolation #68) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:51 am

So, I've checked Implosion's recent posts. I can see nothing particularly scummy. Have I missed something? By the way, Implosion, how about sheeping me and voting for the BPC slot? More votes may urge his forthcoming replacement's catchup and I think that slot is scum.

AGar, Bert, where are your votes?

Aneninen · Post Post #903 (isolation #69) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:14 am

Hi, Nacho! Try to catch up soon, please! Especially since I've been scumreading your slot ^_^

@Bert. Couldn't you provide some of your thoughts now?
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Time is running and apart from NPIAU I can't see real wagons. Yes, it's obvious that he's trying to build a counter-wagon right now but this is not an alignment tell, I suppose.
What if the game is stalled because none of the scums were generally suspected Today – and they don't need to do anything but waiting for a next mislynch?

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Post-edit. Wow, so many new posts! Some of the things above might be obsolete right now, since the last post I saw before righting this was Sthar8's #886.

Aneninen · Post Post #905 (isolation #70) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:38 am

@Nacho: Because I don't think NPIAU is a good lynch now, I'd sheep you... if I didn't have a scumread on your slot. Can you link a game you were replaced in? (FYI: that slot was scumread by me on early-Day2 but I dropped the case. Might it been a mistake? If needed, I can link my main post about the case.)

Aneninen · Post Post #908 (isolation #71) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:15 am

Case: mostly in this: 754. (Though, it's a wall and it refers to other links. Yes I know #&@%! my walls, but I'm trying hard to get rid of them.)

I've never thought the Notscience slot would be a bad lynch. You'll find data about the slot in the same post. Another wall about my former case against the slot: 462.

Now, can you link something for me in return?

Aneninen · Post Post #913 (isolation #72) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:00 am

Thanks for your link, though it didn't give me much help. Perhaps my fault.
I'll think about your posts but I need to sleep now. (And yes, I know that my timing is terrible. I'm famous for that, I suppose.)

Aneninen · Post Post #985 (isolation #73) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:44 am

Okay. Catching-up.

I'm not voting Notscience because of MalaKittyPryde who's my strongest townread right now. (And if you're lying, I'll grab you and release you over a volcano for a split second. – Kurt Wagner has spoken. Verdammt! ^_^)
NPIAU is not particularly scummy according to his posts. Chaos' play was pretty the similar I'd experienced from him in a game before which he was town in.

↑ Bert wrote:
my activity goes in and out for different periods, regardless of alignment

This is confirmed by me.

BUT

↑ Bert wrote:i was initially thinking maybe mala's probably a weak neighborizer or something who neighborized you, the way she said "i have info, but i wont fullclaim". or masonizer, or something like that.

Whattafukk are you doing?! How does guessing Mala help now? Stop this!

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: AGar

What do you think of this vote?

What do I think? Aproxximately Uhhh

I won't support this because I strongly think that Agar is scum

only if

you're scum too.

↑ Malakittens wrote:Also when Agar brought up the topic of daytalk that also pinged me hard. So I kept a small eye on the OSO/Agar interactions after that.

Why the f-ck didn't you sheep me then? You should have done it and now it's f-cking too late. I know I'm shyt because I can convince not even a jellyfish about my reads but stilll................!!!!

↑ Malakittens wrote:I had bad feels about implosion since like Day 1. Part of me wouldn't mind lynching him; either way i still wanna lynch you.

Okay, f-ck.

VOTE: Implosion

And I'm voting instead of MalaKitty because I'd sheep her if she voted for him. Also, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm half-drunk and also claimed that my gameplay is shyt.

Also....

AGar – not voting him because I think he's scum only if Nacho is scum too.
Nacho – I still think he's scum but noone supports me.
NPIAU – I've already posted that I think this is a bad idea. (Even if I'm wrong.)
MalaKittyPrydeWhatever – No, no, no.
Bert – It's possible. Unsure about this. My early reads + Day1 VC gave me townreads on this slot but Phok's play got worse later. Convince me if you wish.
Notscience – Simon says no, Kitty says no, the Computer says no. I needn't tell anything else.
Sthar8 – Where is he now, I'd ask. Nowhere, says the other threads of this forum. Another possibility but I ain't salvage anything about him right now it would be too late even if I had a proof.

Aneninen · Post Post #996 (isolation #74) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:23 am

That was very scummy, Bert.
Why were those posts town-ish?

Eg. this from Implosion
"

Assuming I'm being lynched I'd like to give a set of dying reads but I don't really trust my reads in this game given a combination of the amount of effort I've put in and shadow flipping town

– makes no sense. I mean: as if none of us had misread anyone ever. ^_^

@Those, who are voting for him: what's the case on AGar? I don't accept explanations including the "if Nacho is scum,..." sentence half.

Aneninen · Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:22 am

It's a pity that it wasn't me at Night3.
After a long, long stall I managed to kick a terrible wagon.
I'll get lynched for that, won't I?

Aneninen · Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:48 am

Implosion. Yippie.
It had seemed to be a vanity wagon before I jumped on it. After that it gained momentum instantly. You can check it.
If MalaKitty had been Neighbour wouldn't the flip said "Town Neighbour"?

Aneninen · Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:00 pm

@Those who are voting. Can you summarize your cases, pretty please?

Aneninen · Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:57 am

@NPIAU: I see your case and I know your VC Analysis well. I'll think about it again.
@Bert: I don't think I'm going to surprise you now but your answer was very weak.

What about the others?

Aneninen · Post Post #1046 (isolation #79) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:08 am

Of course I'm cautious. Two mislynches and I was on both wagons. This time we should lynch a scum for a change.
Here are my thoughts.

(1) For me, the fact that the game had been stalled before the Day ended suggests that none of the scums were wagoned. If they had been, they would have tried to build a counter-wagon or something like that. NPIAU was the counter-wagon and he voted for Implosion for a long time. But if he were scum wouldn't have his partner done something? Or is the game a 11:2? I'd doubt it. As for NPIAU, his Day3 may have been simply about surviving the game and misreading Implosion?

(2) The Implosion wagon emerged very quickly after my vote. There were Kitty (dead), Nacho and Bert. This points towards the latter two names. (And sadly, towards me too.)

(3) AGar's Day3 was strange. Much less active than before. As far as I remember I was the first one who brought up the possibility of a scum-AGar. His case against me was pigeon poop: he talked about posts which were read even by the Ediacaran fauna.

(4) I still remember calling the Nacho-slot scum before. Is he scum? Is he scum with AGar? Am I misreading him and he noticed something about AGar which I haven't? Nacho, can you post something about your reads?

(5) Notscience is town because... being a Friendly Neighbour? Can anyone alive confirm that? Or have I misread something again?

(6) Sthar is a question mark. If he's scum he's doing it f-cking well. Sometimes I almost forget that he's here at all. Though, caveat: he's (was?) on V/LA.

(7) We should check Day1-AGar. Did he post a viable case about Flames/Neil? If not, that must have been a bus. (What if Flames has replaced out because of the hard-bussing? Or am I making out things out of nothing?)

So. The names, in a scum >>> town order:
AGar, Nacho, Bert, Sthar, NPIAU, Notscience. (Unsure about the Nacho/Bert pair.)

I daren't vote; that would be an L–1 and I'm afraid of a quickhammer.

Aneninen · Post Post #1056 (isolation #80) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:29 pm

I'd hammer AGar too if needed. But, I don't thing we should do that before he posts something.

Also, Notscience, if you're a Friendly Neighbour, can you tell us whom you visited at previous Nights? Alternatively, can anyone confirm that role? (I don't think Notscience is scum, I just need information. If you think this would help the scums more, please explain why and I won't bring the topic up again.)

Aneninen · Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:09 am

Both of my scumreads are dead. One got lynched (and I didn't dare to vote) the other got Nightkilled.
I know it appears scummy but I don't know what to do now. I need some time.

Aneninen · Post Post #1071 (isolation #82) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:29 pm

I know that I should provide answers, since I'm the only one who's here from the start. But right now, I only have questions.

(1) Why got Nacho Nightkilled? He posted that Sthar is the other scum. This might point toward Sthar but in this case that would have been a lame Nightkill. WIFOM?
(2) Why didn't Notscience get Nightkilled? Is he really a Friendly Neighbour or something like that? Can someone confirm that?
(3) Why selfhammered AGar? Because of the lack of a counterwagon? Bert might have been one, this points toward him. Or, because his partner might have blown the things up by protecting him? (Points toward Sthar, Notscience and me ^_^ Or anyone who could have jumped off his wagon?)
(4) Do we have a PR here? If Notscience is one we have a confirmed townie. Anyone else? Why did we have a Bodyguard? To protect a Friendly Neighbor or just for fun?
(5) On Day3, NPIAU was a counterwagon. Is that important? (By the way, I was the second name on the Implosion wagon and the next 3 players jumping on it were town.)
(6) Everyone has been pretty inactive since Day3. Why? Would it be possible that there has been no wagon against the remaining scum so far? (Points toward Sthar, Notscience and me.)
(7) Let's see the Nightkills. Tammy – obvtown. DeasVail – PR (could it have been sheer luck?). Malakitty – failed PR-hunting? (She was so sure about Notscience as if she had been a Cop?). Nachomamma – ??? (PR-hunting? Maybe, but not the Cop. If Nacho had flipped Cop, the game would be won because we'd quicklynch Sthar. Would we?)

Aneninen · Post Post #1129 (isolation #83) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:05 pm

Catching-up soon.
I had a busy day yesterday and I have just woken up now.

Aneninen · Post Post #1141 (isolation #84) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:27 pm

I know that I look terrible now but please, at least let me post before lynching me. Okay?

Aneninen · Post Post #1144 (isolation #85) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:29 pm

Shyt, ignore that, there is only one vote for me. I thought there were two.
And this confirms that I've still been unable to read everything carefully.

Aneninen · Post Post #1149 (isolation #86) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:45 pm

I know that basicly all of my votes since Day2 have terrible and the lack of my posts is not a good sign as well. In spite of these I still have questions.

First of all, what is Notscience?
Because, this is a Friendly Neighbour: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor
And this is a Neigbourizer: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer

According to MalaKittyPryde's play, he's the first one. However, according to Notscience's post (1036) he's the second one.
Besides MalaKitty, whom did you target, Notscience?

Aneninen · Post Post #1152 (isolation #87) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:01 pm

The color of Malakitty's name tells me that NPIAU's claim is legit. His Nacho-choice escapes me, though.

Bert.
Shouldn't we ask Notscience about the specifications of his role instead of guessing whether they had a QT or not?
Why do you recommend my lynch TOMORROW? Why not TODAY if you think I'm scum?

Aneninen · Post Post #1154 (isolation #88) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:13 pm

Notscience, I don't know the answer. I'll ask my Sweetheart's mother she's a dog cosmetic. ^_^
Nevertheless, I understand you. Apart from Kitty, whom did you target?

Aneninen · Post Post #1158 (isolation #89) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:51 pm

Bert. Why should I write an essay? Where have I posted that I think you're the remaining scum? Besieds, I try to avoid posting essays. None of my games has shown so far that it has been working.

Notscience. Okay, that makes sense. Not because of you. Because of Kitty's play.

_____

So, what have we got here?
Notscience and NPIAU are pretty much confirmed.
This means, it's either Bert or Sthar8. The problem is that I can't proove that I'm town, apart from being a Vanilla Townie I can claim nothing.

One of us shall be lynched Today. If it's the scum, yippie! If not, the other two will be there at LyLo, most probably with Notscience. These two will try to convince that the other one is scum. So, Notscience, start collecting everything about Bert, Sthar8 and me.

_____

Right now, I think Sthar8 is scum. There are a couple of things which might confirm this.

(1) This game got stalled plenty of times, sometimes at strange moments, eg. before deadline. I posted it before that I had find it significant. A game can be stalled when none of the scums are suspected and they don't need to do anything to move the game on. This hypothesis would be bullshyt if Bert were scum. There were constant FoS-es and votes for him.

(2) AGar's selfhammer. Bert could have found anything else instead of voting for AGar. Just check out his Day4! He was discontent with my gameplay – yet he voted for AGar quite early. If he were scum, he could have started a case against me very easily. It's sure that he might have bussed AGar – but, if there had been a mislych the scums would be at LyLo right now. It might make sense if the busser had much town credit and it definitely doesn't fit Bert. Sthar had been pretty inactive before that. AGar might have been afraid that Sthar's certain activity (eg. by launching a counter-case) would have drawn unnecessary attention to Sthar. Also, Sthar posted only a naked vote for Bert, he did nothing Yesterday.

(3) The Nacho-kill. Do you remember this?

"Vote: AGar. Sthar is the other one, fwiw"

. What if Sthar thought that Nacho had been the Cop? In this case... the Nightkill makes perfect sense.

Aneninen · Post Post #1161 (isolation #90) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:35 pm

Notscience: that's a pity.

Sthar: (1) and (2) are not alignment tells.
As for (3)...

"if nacho had been a cop, killing him at night would have confirmed me as scum. If I were scum, he'd still be alive."

Wait-oh.
A Cop-Nacho would have claimed his role if he had known both of the scums. In that case the game would have been won.
A Cop-Nacho might have done the thing he had done if he had known only one scum. In that case the remaining scum must have got rid of him because Nacho's next investigation might have been lethal to him.
I think the scum thought that Nacho might be Cop. In this case, anyone could have killed Nacho, so as to WIFOM-ize the game. Namely, something like this might (have) happen(ed) Today: "so, Nacho flipped Cop, he had told that Sthar had been scum, therefore Sthar is scum... unless someone else is scum and killed Nacho because we may think that Sthar killed him..."
In short (3) proves nothing.

Aneninen · Post Post #1169 (isolation #91) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:11 am

@Bert. Phokdapolees wasn't amongst my scumreads. As far as I can remember, I thought he might be scum but he was never on the "top of my scumlist". Rack's early play was pretty strange, but I thought he might be town beacuse of the very quick emergence of his wagon.
However, I don't think anyone has ever examined Day1 again. We should do so, since we know that both Flames/Neil and AGar were scums. As soon as I have time I'll do so because I'm the only one who was here that time.

You think that I'm scum but you're wrong. (And I'd tell you the same if I were scum. I know that.) I don't want to vote for you because there are more things against Sthar8.

By the way I'm pretty sure that I'll be better than I was in Muskoka Murder Mystery. I wouldn't say that my gameplay was terrible there. I only say that a wiki-article could be written out of my gameplay with a title like this: "How NOT to play Mafia". ^_^

@Everyone.
Even if I think Sthar is scum, I want to examine both his and Bert's slot again. I don't want to f-ck everything up.

Aneninen · Post Post #1187 (isolation #92) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:44 pm

Thanks for the game, everyone!

First of all, the modding was really great! The pictures were funny, there were frequent Vote Counts, quick reactions to the possible issues. I really liked the PMs about "you're getting close to a prod". Sometimes I find it tiring to check my "time elapsed" data and that helped a lot. Also, I think the "PM me at Night even if you have no Night Action" is a good idea.

The players were nice and great too.
Bert and NPIAU did it very well during the last Days.

Neil replaced into a very difficult situation. However, there was a mistake from him I wasn't allowed to tell. By the time he posted that "sorry I need to V/LA, no internet, blah" he had posts in other threads and he

did not

mention the situation anywhere

but

in this thread. Because of this I was sure that he was scum.

AGar, you had an excellent play too! After Day1 you looked sooo obv-town. There was something and I don't know whether a mistake or an unfortunate coincidence. I was the one who talk about the possibility of scum!AGar (with BPC – so, the reasoning was shyt) and at that time noone else had similar thoughts. Later you started to go after me and that confirmed my scumread on you. (It might have been a coincidence too, because this topic didn't show up in the Mafia QT.)

Sthar, you shouldn't feel bad, my scumread on you was not a PoE. I hadn't got time so I posted a less than half-baked case on you – but that was enough for Bert to focus on you. (Or he realized the same things independently?) Had I had more time, I would have found many other evidences. Eventually, you played it well – I realized that the

most

possible explanation for the Day1 wagon could be the following: Rack is Goon-PR, Flames is Goon and AGar bussed Flames because of this and to get zillions of town-credit. Two birds with one stone, eh? A pity that I was swimming, watching Twin Peaks with my sweetheart and sleeping, so I didn't post anything about it.

As for Bert and NPIAU. After that terrible Implosion-lynch (erm, sorry everyone) I was

sure

that the game had been stalled in a very strange game-phase because none of the scums had been wagoned. Therefore, I thought that it was very unlikely that Bert and NPIAU were scums.

My personal moral of the game: I should not end a Day with a "Not voting". Lucky for us, Bert finished the game before I started to launch a well-built case about Sthar. If it hadn't been for him, Sthar would have started bombing us with WIFOMs for sure and

that

wouldn't have helped us. ^_^

Aneninen · Post Post #1191 (isolation #93) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:22 am

↑ SleepyKrew wrote:Regarding neil, I noticed that
he didn't declare V/LA in any other games
. However, I monitored his activity for a bit after that and it seemed to indeed reflect a lack of access across the whole site.

That was it. The highlighted part.

As for Chaos, that was a mere intuition from me. I didn't spot the crumb but his play was identical to the one I knew from another game and ...f-ck, I'm stupid. In that game he also was town-PR. So, my intuition discovered something even if my brain did not.