FitzOtter I (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

Vote: UT

He's SK hunting, must be scum.

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Tbone

Look at that scum reaction, considering the Mod confirmed me as town in his ruleset. Too busy posting in your mafia QT to notice amirite?

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Tbone

Look at that scum reaction, considering the Mod confirmed me as town in his ruleset. Too busy posting in your mafia QT to notice amirite?

/scans text for T-bone is town
/doesn't see it
/resumes voting T-bone


Would be willing to vote farside though.

For real this feels extremely forced.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

[T-Bone]

Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Juls is scum, the claim is fake. Juls had no problem when MY wagon grew over nothing. But when Juls wagon grows because she's A) being scummy B) having fake reactions to things C) being defensive....it's "nothing lol".

Juls and Farside for scum. Follow Bone 2014!

[T-Bone]

For examples of the above A, B, and C....

Fine. Everyone likes to quick hammer so I better go ahead and

Kill Hostile Intent

A!

VOTE: Tbone

Look at that scum reaction, considering the Mod confirmed me as town in his ruleset. Too busy posting in your mafia QT to notice amirite?

/scans text for T-bone is town
/doesn't see it
/resumes voting T-bone


Would be willing to vote farside though.

B!

Nah....I have to claim before everyone acts like dumbasses and lynches me.

C!

Nah....I have to claim before everyone acts like dumbasses and lynches me.

For bonus points, here's Juls going "lol you'll be sorry for lynching me"

[T-Bone]

Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

Quote where I harped on you for not responding.
Or die for lying.

Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Same with tbone.
Of course tbone hasn't responded which bothers me.

Oh no Farside.....turns out you did exactly what I just accused you of doing!

[T-Bone]

Agreed with Farside, Hostile Intent is likely VI.

Konowa town, ABR town(?), TBone can wait.

Tbone hasn't even responded. Why can he wait?

BONUS QUOTE

You're SOOOOOO interested in the fact that I didn't respond since last night.

[T-Bone]

Except we're already in twilight, stupid.

And what made you believe this sooooo much that you needed to throw in an insult to the previous poster?

[T-Bone]

So what were those then? Sell me on what you were actually trying to do.

[T-Bone]

You said twice "tbone isn't responding" with the "it bothers me" the second time. If you're trying to claim that you were concerned over the composition of my wagon, this is perhaps the least amount of concern you could ever muster up.

Now you can say you weren't harping on me and you were trying to get across a different message. But no instead you went into the uber scum defensive "lynch all lairs" instead of I dunno maybe understanding how I interpreted your post?

Konowa, do you think Farside really cares about his reads? You lied, Juls lied, yet he's got his vote on me for interpeting his actions as trying to play the "Bone is avoiding this thread" card. Nope, rather than try to understand what I was interpreting his posts to mean he went straight to a scummy extreme.

[T-Bone]

But 'care about his reads" I meant care about his assertion.

[T-Bone]

Because I wasn't online to respond to the wagon?

[T-Bone]

Fine it was towards Vox. It still looked like to me you were playing the "bone is avoiding the thread" card. You mentioned me, so yes it has everything to do with me.

Nor did you offer an interpertation, you jumped to "lynch all liars"

How about Konowa's fake double vote hammer? How about Juls fake daykill? Let's ignore the facts of this game, because it's not convenient for Farside's "lynch all lairs" assertion. Because THEY lied in thread. I INTERPRETED your posts as scummy.

[T-Bone]

Ika, why is farside town? Hell you don't even have a reason for me being scum.

[T-Bone]

Well you're ignoring everything farside is doing so you must read him as town. These are the assumptions we are making right? I didn't post in this thread since last night so I MUST be avoiding it.

Juls is scum, so you're really bad at this. Juls was scummy, fake, and defensive, and I demonstrated as such. What is bad about any of those points I make? You're making sweeping generalizations about my "pushing being bad" but you don't have any specifics. So if you can make sweeping generalizations about my case, I can make sweeping generalizations about your reads. Ika thinks farside and Juls are confirmed town everyone, let the record show.

You think one of Juls or Bone is scum, but MY case is bad? What about Juls essentially leading my wagon to L-1? You're ignoring the events of the game to fit your narrow view of the game. Is this as high quality as you're going to get or are you, like farside, going to ignore things when they are inconvenient to your play?

No Farside you CAN'T have it both ways just to fit your fake assertion. Either you "lynch all liars" or you don't. Me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread is not lying, it is me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread.

What is so 'obscure" about my angle on Juls? What from my post last page was obscure? Did I not assert that Juls was 'scummy, fake, and defensive' and then show the posts that I believe represent those qualities? That's not "obscure" that's CLEAR as fucking day Ika.

EDIT I"M JUST GONNA POST AND THEN CATCH UP ON THE NINJA POSTS

[T-Bone]

T-bone: are you the type to look for scum on wagons?

I'm not opposed to that methodology. What does this have to do with anything we are discussing?

[T-Bone]

I actually lean town on Tbone over the past few pages.

@konowa why did you think HIs reaction was town?

Why? His reasons are off and bloated.

I don't agree with what he is saying, particularly about me but the way he is saying it seems sincere.

Could you answer some of my concerns then? Your post on page 1 seemed fake to me in the kind of way scum do when they think there is a wrong way to respond to something. On Page 1 in RVS I said "I'm confirmed town in the rules". Why did that concern you at all? Did you not read the rules in depth enough that you were legit worried you missed this fact? Did you think this was a serious assertion on my part?

[T-Bone]

tbone, how come your being so hypocrtitacl?

lets start there

Ummm what?

lats also do an exercise:

preted juls is confirmed scum: who are her scum buddies?

now pretend juls is confirmed town: who is scum?

I think the interactions with Farside would point to him strongly being a scumbuddy. Notice how he didn't protest at all the the quick wagon on me, but when it got turned around on Juls, he threw his hands up and went "i'm not up for lynching Juls". He had no such concern for the quick wagon on me though.

Also Tbone, how did I lead your wagon when I was like the 3rd or fourth vote?

Our exchange on Page 1 was the catalyst for it. The first two votes were joke votes, when you decide "/resume voting bone' you took ownership of that wagon, because now (unlike UT and Vox) it was no longer RVS shenanigans. You certainly didn't show concern about the quick wagon on me either.

[T-Bone]

lats also do an exercise:

preted juls is confirmed scum: who are her scum buddies?

now pretend juls is confirmed town: who is scum?

I didn't answer the second part, but if Juls is town that's great, there are some interactions with her claim that are interesting. Scum would know Juls is claiming truth in her role.

[T-Bone]

That's what the series of events looked like to me.

I mean I'm still defending myself against a wagon that formed based on nothing. I can only do so much. DGB is bad too, but I've had to defend myself from a barrage of questions and accusations from the three of you (ika, and farside). I'd like to look at my wagon, but I'd like the BS to stop. What was my wagon even about in the first place?

[T-Bone]

lats also do an exercise:

preted juls is confirmed scum: who are her scum buddies?

now pretend juls is confirmed town: who is scum?

I didn't answer the second part, but if Juls is town that's great, there are some interactions with her claim that are interesting. Scum would know Juls is claiming truth in her role.

your acting like you know juls wont flip town.....

i get this odd vibe if one flips scum the ohter is as well in a huge attmept of corss-bussing

I tend to use language that suggests I know how everyone will flip for hyperbole.

[T-Bone]

Well you're ignoring everything farside is doing so you must read him as town. These are the assumptions we are making right? I didn't post in this thread since last night so I MUST be avoiding it.

Juls is scum, so you're really bad at this. Juls was scummy, fake, and defensive, and I demonstrated as such. What is bad about any of those points I make? You're making sweeping generalizations about my "pushing being bad" but you don't have any specifics. So if you can make sweeping generalizations about my case, I can make sweeping generalizations about your reads. Ika thinks farside and Juls are confirmed town everyone, let the record show.

You think one of Juls or Bone is scum, but MY case is bad? What about Juls essentially leading my wagon to L-1? You're ignoring the events of the game to fit your narrow view of the game. Is this as high quality as you're going to get or are you, like farside, going to ignore things when they are inconvenient to your play?

No Farside you CAN'T have it both ways just to fit your fake assertion. Either you "lynch all liars" or you don't. Me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread is not lying, it is me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread.

What is so 'obscure" about my angle on Juls? What from my post last page was obscure? Did I not assert that Juls was 'scummy, fake, and defensive' and then show the posts that I believe represent those qualities? That's not "obscure" that's CLEAR as fucking day Ika.

EDIT I"M JUST GONNA POST AND THEN CATCH UP ON THE NINJA POSTS

See this is all scummy. You jump to conclusions based on 2 post and completely blow it out of proportion of what was said.
I told you one was towards vox and you still use harping and claiming you were purposely avoiding the thread. Things I never said. You are implying shit that does not exist in this thread or game.

You also have now avoided answering my question to your counter and started preaching to all.
This coming from a player that supposedly wants to have people ask questions.

So? You got UBER DEFENSIVE over one vote, I was brought to L-1. You can't complain about how I chose to vote. Maybe it's a pressure vote? Maybe you completely flipped the fuck out under said pressure? Maybe I wanted to start progressing through reads, hence me singling out Juls on page 1, and singling out you next? This is very consistent with the way I play. You can disagree with it, that's fine. But instead you've gone and misrepresented my posts with your "lynch all lairs" assertion.

I haven't avoided any questions. Have you seen the last few pages? It's nothing but people bombarding me with questions that I am answering.

[T-Bone]

That's what the series of events looked like to me.

I mean I'm still defending myself against a wagon that formed based on nothing. I can only do so much. DGB is bad too, but I've had to defend myself from a barrage of questions and accusations from the three of you (ika, and farside). I'd like to look at my wagon, but I'd like the BS to stop. What was my wagon even about in the first place?

questions help us figure you out.

i noticed something thats intresting but i will wait on it.

how come you accuse ut of sk hunting when he never posted yet?

p-edit: wut?

Because it was a joke post (you know the things players generally do at the beginning of a game), and a joke that only he would get? Notice that he then posted "OMGUS" in response? That exchange is clearly a joke exchange.

[T-Bone]

tbone, how come your being so hypocrtitacl?

lets start there

Ummm what?

lats also do an exercise:

preted juls is confirmed scum: who are her scum buddies?

now pretend juls is confirmed town: who is scum?

I think the interactions with Farside would point to him strongly being a scumbuddy. Notice how he didn't protest at all the the quick wagon on me, but when it got turned around on Juls, he threw his hands up and went "i'm not up for lynching Juls". He had no such concern for the quick wagon on me though.

Also Tbone, how did I lead your wagon when I was like the 3rd or fourth vote?

Our exchange on Page 1 was the catalyst for it. The first two votes were joke votes, when you decide "/resume voting bone' you took ownership of that wagon, because now (unlike UT and Vox) it was no longer RVS shenanigans. You certainly didn't show concern about the quick wagon on me either.

Hahahahahahahah

*Wipes tears*

Hypocrisy thy name is tbone.

HAHAHAHA SCUM POST

For real Farside is scum, I've laid it out why he is scum, and Farside's only responses have been misrepresentations and freak outs. Farside votes please.

[T-Bone]

@Tbone - no I didn't read the rules at all. When you said you were confirmed town I went and read to see if it was some sort of crumb. Then I saw it was just standard rules and continued with my vote. I only voted you for pressure given that early wagons can be useful at gleaning information.

Okay, well I didn't have this information before, so I interpreted it the way I interpreted it. I said what I said and that lead you to correct me on what you were doing, so this is a positive exchange yes?

[T-Bone]

if you flip town i will consider a farside scum

So I can go back to making the generalization that farside is a town read of yours? Got it.

[T-Bone]

I just think you're interaction regarding farside is weird. There is nothing he has posted that concerns you? I mean I had posted in the joke phase on page 1 and that was ENOUGH for you to help bring me to L-1. But no one else has done anything that concerns you to vote them? You changed your vote briefly, but heck you may as well be voting me for accusing UT of SK hunting at this point. I think that speaks volumes about you.

[T-Bone]

I voted you because it appeared to me that you were trying to play the "bone is avoiding this thread" card. But yeah, I voted for you without a reason. Blatant misrepresentation on your part. I mean it was crystal fucking clear the reasoning behind my vote, but that's too inconvenient for your worldview huh?

[T-Bone]

But here, let me help you. I'm going to avoid this thread now. Please occasionally point this out to everyone till I come back.

[T-Bone]

But I found scum by flipping my shit. You should sheep my Farside vote.

[T-Bone]

LOL FARSIDE QUOTES EXACTLY WHAT HE DID AND THEN CALLS ME A LIAR DESPITE QUOTING THE TRUTH TELLING LOLOLOL

Are you just hoping that if you string together the words "T-Bone" and "liar" enough that people will forget what you're talking about and just subconsciously make the association?

Farside is scum. His entire "Bone is a liar" depends on....? I'm not sure what it depends on. I voted Farside because it appeared to me he was trying to play the "Bone is avoiding this thread" card. And then I quoted those posts to show everyone what it appeared to me. Yet I am somehow lying by this?

Here's what really happened to those watching at home. Farside over reacted to my vote and has been backpedaling ever since. Maybe he feels like he got caught for the wrong reasons? I don't know. The fact is Farside is posting like caught scum. He's been scrambling.

[T-Bone]

wow, tbone, the wagon on you was dissipating

now was not the time to completely flip your shit

Does this post bother anyone else? Why does it matter if my wagon was dissipating or not?

[T-Bone]

Answer my question UT. Why should I be concerned about my wagon dissipating?

[T-Bone]

I apologize for my pronoun slips I'll be more careful, Farside.

[T-Bone]

I don't equate harping with nagging so chill out? Sorry if that is bringing up something that angers you from outside of the game, but how the hell would I know that? If you thought it was a personal shot, it wasn't, and I do apologize for that.

When I said harping it is because to me ORIGINALLY it looked like you were trying to get on my case for not responding in the thread. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME. Which is something you seem completely unable to comprehend. IT FUCKING LOOKED LIKE TO ME that you were trying to imply that T-Bone is scum for not posting. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME. How many times do I have to say it?

[T-Bone]

Can I honestly chalk up your reaction to being sore over the words I chose to use and not the context in which they were used? Yes, no?

[T-Bone]

Why is DGB town? DGB literally hasn't done anything.

[T-Bone]

What does my read on DGB have to do with me asking you about YOUR read on DGB? I've asked a couple of times to justify your reads on other players and all I've gotten in return is bullshit.

[T-Bone]

Was that so hard? As I recall the last time you asked me a question I didn't throw a fit, I answered it (whether you liked the answers, believe the answers etc. is up to you, but I answered the questions)

[T-Bone]

Why is farside scum, ika?

Hostile, is that about farside? I'm pretty sure she is Town. What do you make of her reaction in #227?

Your read is bad and you should feel bad.

She's bitching in 227. What's new?

But for seriously, it feels forced/contrived.

Did you notice she's kicking it up a notch now that there's a wagon on her?

I don't think that's a coincidence.

So you don't believe the personal angle she just submitted?

[T-Bone]

Re: Fortnight. I remember you being more diplomatic in that game compared to this one. But I was scum that game so I wasn't really paying attention to details like that, and I don't really use meta as validation for anything.

[T-Bone]

Can I honestly chalk up your reaction to being sore over the words I chose to use and not the context in which they were used? Yes, no?

[T-Bone]

UT town, why?

[T-Bone]

I definitely don't see it that way. Because A) he wasn't the only one and B) It would take a lot more than that to lynch someone on Day 2.

[T-Bone]

I'm leaning scum on him at this point so I wanted to see where you were coming from. I find him to be really opportunistic this game and not in a pro-town way.

[T-Bone]

uhhh what?

[T-Bone]

okaaaaay?

[T-Bone]

Please enlighten us with your definition of opportunistic.

If you look in a dictionary, you'll see Ika's picture.

[T-Bone]

No wait, would love this instead.

vote: UT

Cause this attitude reflects a player just trying to get by.

[T-Bone]

I've been procrastinating on this vote. I think you're scum.

[T-Bone]

I've been procrastinating on this vote. I think you're scum.

either vote me or fuck off im self hammering at moments notice

obviously me trying to build up layers of wifom doesnt work and only gets me lynched

I wasn't even talking at you or about you. Also intentionally trying to build WIFOM makes you a terrible player.

[T-Bone]

I was busy, I will catch up.

[T-Bone]

I'm still trying to get my head back in the game.

Why did you claim they wouldn't know they are lovers?

I really don't like the series of events that have gone on this day phase. From a town point of view, why does linking Farside and HI make sense? Juls, why did that make sense to you? What were you trying to accomplish?

[T-Bone]

Vote: UT

We should revisit this. His recent posts don't come from a pro-town mindset.

[T-Bone]

So when I flip town, are you guys lynching farside? What are you learning from my town flip exactly?

no, but I hope you reflect on how poorly you used your ability

I mean UT has constantly spoken as if he was in a position to know everyone's alignment already.

[T-Bone]

When did I become conftown?

[T-Bone]

*clap clap*

[T-Bone]

Why, do you think neither of them are worth your suspicion?

[T-Bone]

Prodded. I finally have free time coming up soon so...yeah

[T-Bone]

What the fuck when did you say anything about hiplop before now?

[T-Bone]

...I feel dumb.

[T-Bone]

Coming into d2 and ABR's justification for targeting TBone seems pretty poor. It stops us from being able to lynch a scummy player and his point about choosing him because he wouldn't be targeted is kinda null as if scum target somebody they are going to be town, so providing ABR is town we would be losing a townie either way.

Okay words and all, what's your conclusion based on this train of thought?

[T-Bone]

I'm actually hoping for you to draw ANY conclusions, cause so far you are just recapping the game. Which is fine for you, but personally I was there for Day 1 (not so much Day 2 thus far).

[T-Bone]

I'm here now bros, let's coast.

I mean I got prodded twice and generally my site presence has been nonexistent, but sure let's pretend that's alignment indicative for a second. What does that say about my alignment then?

[T-Bone]

Explain how 'UT is townie' to me. Throwing out those combinations of words just to throw out those combination of words does not make me believe you believe it.

[T-Bone]

I think trying to shoehorn a player's activity as part of a read is lazy to be honest. That would be like me saying "well the Bulge replaced out so he must be unengaged scum!" Which is what you are essentially saying by "Bone is coasting", because we can either argue that the context is because of in-game factors or out of game factors....either way it's a lazy thing to say. I equate laziness with scum.

Like, while you recapped the game in your catch-up posts, I don't feel like I know any of your opinions or conclusions from those posts. A recap is understandable, you're experiencing the game for the first time. What isn't understandable to me is why you don't really have anything from yourself to offer.

[T-Bone]

Coming into d2 and ABR's justification for targeting TBone seems pretty poor. It stops us from being able to lynch a scummy player and his point about choosing him because he wouldn't be targeted is kinda null as if scum target somebody they are going to be town, so providing ABR is town we would be losing a townie either way.

Okay words and all, what's your conclusion based on this train of thought?

I want to go back to this for a second, but if ABR is scum and truthfully has the role he has, why does it make sense from a scum perspective to essentially save me from a lynch for a day? Arguably without his claim people might be pushing my lynch otherwise.

[T-Bone]

I didn't say you were lazy, I said it was lazy of you. (that and my activity is not alignment dependent)

I think you are missing the point. I am well aware the game has just started for you (and I pointed that out), despite that I was still looking for your initial reactions. If you're scum I don't want you to have time to think about things, posts are much less honest that way.

[T-Bone]

I think trying to shoehorn a player's activity as part of a read is lazy to be honest. That would be like me saying "well the Bulge replaced out so he must be unengaged scum!" Which is what you are essentially saying by "Bone is coasting", because we can either argue that the context is because of in-game factors or out of game factors....either way it's a lazy thing to say. I equate laziness with scum.

Like, while you recapped the game in your catch-up posts, I don't feel like I know any of your opinions or conclusions from those posts. A recap is understandable, you're experiencing the game for the first time. What isn't understandable to me is why you don't really have anything from yourself to offer.

So many words, so little meaning.

So many posts, so little content.

[T-Bone]

Yeah that makes no sense. You have not fulfilled your win condition? No shit, town and scum only fulfill it in the endgame. That's pretty much a 3rd party claim.

[T-Bone]

Actually no, not intent to hammer. I still would like a less vague explanation.

[T-Bone]

Because you could get away with it?

/reasons

[T-Bone]

So you could ask "why would I do this thing as scum?"

#reasons

[T-Bone]

Yeah.

Vote: DGB

[T-Bone]

SIIIIIICK BUUUUURN

[T-Bone]

unvote

So we're not waiting for Kuribo then, Aegor?

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Aegor

Sup?

Weird considering Aegor claimed a role he might have been able to prove (and apparently did prove).

[T-Bone]

I disagree with your "scum could no kill for WIFOM" comment, that seems like a dumb play at this point considering a missing kill night 1. As for scum not killing the lovers pair...here's the thing. If one of you is scum, obviously you kill someone else (Konowa I guess). But I feel like the best play for youscum would be to lynch HI (or vise versa for HIscum).

Bottom line in this case analyzing the choice of kill about the lover pair is unproductive. I don't like that immediate jump to conclusion, and coming from anyone but Juls (who has already expressly scumread you) I'd be suspicious.

[T-Bone]

Mark said his was changed to Aegor's last night.

[T-Bone]

That's unfortunate.

[T-Bone]

4)

I have a migraine so fuck the erotica

, fuck you guys, and fuck playing

5) DGB actually pissed me off when she called me out on "lame real life excuses" because she actually knows the bullshit I'm going through

6) I didn't recieve shit from the mod about her neither

This is blasphemy.

[T-Bone]

Ladies, you are both pretty. Go away from the thread for awhile.

[T-Bone]

No I mean the argument is starting to devolve into name calling and stuff and that's not productive. We don't need a repeat of Day 1.

[T-Bone]

Why the heck did you protect UT from a lynch ABR??

[T-Bone]

I really hate that you did that tbh

[T-Bone]

Just not UT, cause he's scum and needs to be lynched.

Hell I could have been a viable lynch target yesterday and by your own admission not a likely kill target. ABR seems way more interested in surviving than being a protective role. He's only protected a potential lynch (me) and scum (UT) so far.

[T-Bone]

Vote: ABR

[T-Bone]

Okay, see ya later.

[T-Bone]

Ridiculous.

[T-Bone]

Not you, the replacing out drama. I mean fuck I still want to play.

[T-Bone]

I signed up to play a Zor game cause he's a great Mod and tends to attract players I mostly like, even if that means I can only be here at best 4 days a week playing solo. Why can't we call each other scum without the out of game BS?

[T-Bone]

Just I work a shit job that makes me hate myself for working it but I have no choice and then spend a lot of time doing school work and trying to live a life without the man keeping mean and I dunno I just want to have some free time to play mafia once in awhile. I don't know why I'm preaching but I am. Dammit Kuribo we need more erotica! Erotica mafia makes everything better.

[T-Bone]

Yet again you assume I am going after Hostile Intent despite the fact that I think he is town. If you aren't scum then I fucked up and I was wrong.

I will likely be lynched and the game will be over.

This is part of the reason I have been begging since yesterday for you all to lynch myself or farside. We are 2/3 of the content in this thread and therefore a lot of information is to be gained. DGB shouldn't have been the lynch yesterday; it should have been me or farside.

My bold. This looks like a possible scumslip given how in the dark we are about number of scum/mislynches we have left.

Don't really know what to make of farside replace, although will say there is far too much RL shit being discussed atm and not enough scumhunting. Juls' point that farside replaced because she couldn't build a solid case was a clear misrep though.

People voting/scumreading abr for lack of content need to head over to the Kuribo wagon. He's far more guilty of the same thing and it really irks me that he has been allowed to get away with it so easily. My thoughts are ofc with him but if his circumstances are going to preclude him from posting content then he should do the sportsmanlike thing and replace out. His scumread on Juls concerns me bc it could be a bus but is making me doubt my own scumread on Juls.

My bold. Are you high? It's a scumslip because one scum lynch might end the game? I'd love to see the leap in logic that led to that.

Well you should head over to the ABR wagon instead. Not only is he doing what you said Kuribo is doing, he's already admitted to playing with the express purpose of surviving instead of doing anything protown.

[T-Bone]

This is why UT and I are mafiasoulmates

[T-Bone]

Does that mean Mark's slot was right on previous days? Because he was on the Juls lynch. Gotta go back and look to see where his vote was. Which was the ika lynch at the end of Day 1, and the Aegor wagon at the end of Day 2. That's 2/3 confirmed town so far, so I'm slightly confused there.

[T-Bone]

Vote: ABR

Yeah I should.

[T-Bone]

What?

[T-Bone]

Are you trying to apply the 'too townie to be town' tell? Because ABR far from fits that description. The only player I'd really attempt to even apply that to is yourself at this point. I think it's a weak tell at this stage of the game because not enough players can even stand out as 'really town'.

[T-Bone]

Because he's been more interested in this game about surviving than anything else. He picks me night 1 to ensure his survival. He says he randomly picked UT night 2, another player who was a lynch candidate the previous phase, again ensuring his survival. He has played his role from a scum perspective, not a town one. Then you know he does the standard "i don't have reads etc. etc." package to be an 'uncaring townie'. Unless his replacement blows me away or more support on UT manifests, I want to lynch his slot today.

[T-Bone]

Well I mean if he's scum, and he purposely protects UT why not lie about it and say he forgot to submit? Unless the Mod confirms that this really happened, you can't take that off the table. He protects two players in two nights that were in danger of being lynched/unlikely night kills. Yes, ABR has demonstrated a complete lack of focus this game, but if he's scum, he can't reasonably come up with a plan to protect himself anyway? He's too unfocused to fake being town, but he's shown enough focus for self-preservation thus far.

[T-Bone]

I mean, this is a bit of an unfair discussion until his replacement shows up. Gotta give him a chance.

What do you think about UT?

[T-Bone]

Why, do you want to be accused of whiteknighting? At the very least Marky's flip confirms your role (though not necessarily your alignment). I'm on the fence about Aegor's power. MVP seems like a detrimental win condition, so I could see scum handing it out. Didn't another player mention getting his win condition changed? That was HI right? I have this crazy conspiracy where Aegor-scum can change the town's win condition to making winning for them harder.

[T-Bone]

That assumes 3 scum, sounds about right, agreed.

[T-Bone]

Eh, 2-11 is also considered balanced no?

[T-Bone]

Nice 180 after I called you scum HI

Sorry for my frustration. It's just that I finally get around to posting on what little time I have free to me and to see someone suggest that this is scum convenience is highly insulting. Regardless of alignment I would want to be posting more than I am able to.

I imagine they killed him because he was confirmed town or as close to it as we had

? Therefore also why abr should have been on him.

Vote: AV

I know we don't like this word, but this is a scumslip. Because scum are thinking in terms of who is confirmed town (or close to it) and who isn't, when deciding on who to kill, and who can be left alive to mislynch. AV using this language suggests to me that was the conversation he and his scumbuddies had about the Marky kill. Town wouldn't be thinking in this manner. We had no idea what Marky's alignment was before he got killed. For all we knew, he and Aegor were gambiting to confirm each other. But this statement more than anything suggests scum thinking.

A lot of the problems I had with ABR (and consequently you, Bookitty), is that ABR also blatantly acted with scum motives. He was more concerned with protecting himself and surviving more than anything else, hence his apparent choice on night 1 to protect me, someone who could be lynched and was probably not going to be killed. He (and you) contend that the UT choice was random, but still that was another slot who was almost lynched and if UT is town, from a scum perspective probably wouldn't have been killed. Yes, you've asked about it a couple of times (while I wasn't really here), but I'd like to know what player your slot chose to protect last night (not AV I can assume).

[T-Bone]

i am fairly sure that someone overanalyzing the replace out
is scum

Well, that was AurorusVox's argument originally. So that's who you think is scum?

But you just said the same thing, so what exactly are you trying to argue?

[T-Bone]

I mean, I think both ABR pre-replacement and AV has shown clear scum thinking this game. The fact that Boo was leading the push on AV and is now hedging on it gives me a really bad feeling. It was Boo's own #1329 that highlighted the scum language in AV's post to me.

[T-Bone]

When people say "there is no reason you should believe I am scum".....

[T-Bone]

Also he's at L-2, so you can't exactly hammer him right now. I really, really hate the hedging here. There's plenty of reasons why I can see you as scum, and I have stated as such.

[T-Bone]

It's not a misrep. You gave reasons that I should not think you are scum, but the problem with that is that A) you were hanging your hat on not hammering AV among other things B) your predecessor was really scummy and 1/5 of a day phase from you isn't going to change that C) you have spent all your time and energy saying that AV is probably scum, but have hedged on it. So there are plenty of reasons that I can think, and I do think, that make you scum. The only reason I have prioritized AV is because I truly think he slipped with his talk of scum killing off confirmed town, because that is the scum way to think about this game.

He's town.

[T-Bone]

*probably town

[T-Bone]

Where did you address my concerns?

[T-Bone]

It's not the wording, it's the thought process that leads to the wording. If we want to play the quantity game, you and your slot have done way more scummy things than AV has this game.

AV using the term earlier makes the thing a little less damning than I originally felt BUT I feel like the underlying thought process is still there. At no point did I ever think to myself Marky and Aegor are confirmed town because it's a bad gambit. The problem with what AV said is that we haven't seen any evidence of a killing role outside the scum kill. In order to find out a Marky/Aegor gambit, it would require us to lynch one of them. While there was some rumbling of Aegor scum, I don't think there was enough to warrant that kind of consideration.

[T-Bone]

I doubt the colors of the vote count are significant.

[T-Bone]

Because I think he's probably town. Not interested in his lynch.

[T-Bone]

It was a typo. The first way I typed it implied that I knew his alignment for sure, and I don't.

[T-Bone]

You're still posturing on everything, I'm gonna make this easy.

Vote: Bookitty

You can't accuse me for the 'pikc-and-choose' way of going about things when you are doing the same thing to me. Obviously, you're trying to set me up for a lynch. Bookitty keeps hinting "but I'll vote Bone guys.....' the subtext being 'but only if someone else does it first'. She came into this day saying "I'm gonna vote Bone lalalala" to "I'm gonna convince everyone that AV is scum"...and when that got support she quickly backed off of it. Now it's back to "I might vote Bone guyz"....just do it please, just about every other post is you looking for an excuse to make the vote. You're behind the 8-ball here, ABR was scummy as fuck and you're being scummy in a completely new direction, so that's fun.

Plus from my PoV you are poking at support for my stronger townreads (HI, droog), and posturing on AV who is far from a townread. It is just really bad. I just have a hard time seeing your posts from a town point of view. Too much posturing, too much setting yourself up to justify moves you might make later.

[T-Bone]

t-bone said what i was thinking but was too lazy to say
so t-bone is inching toward a town read

so could you explain why you were on the av wagon until just now?

Because I felt AV slipped earlier. Since then though Bookitty has been way worse. I think our scum is in the Bookitty, AV, UT, Kuribo block. I feel like I have enough information about the other three players to kick them into my town pile. In regards to Bookitty I've repeatedly said why I think her slot was scum pre-replacement, I kept saying why she is scum now, and she certainly hasn't done anything to change that perspective. It's only NOW that I've voted her that she feels threatened enough to follow through on her threat to vote me (a threat she made upon replacing in and making her first read). It's all been posturing by Bookitty for her to try and get the right lynch. Look at her latest post. I did all those 'scummy things' well before I voted her. Why wasn't she voting me from the beginning? Because it's a fake read. Why did she make a case against AV and not follow through? Because it's a fake read. Her scum motive is very apparent to me, she's trying to get the right lynch with the least amount of blood on her hands.

[T-Bone]

Dragging out Post 193....I'm so inconsistent.

Because what i thought Farside was scummy for had nothing to do with the game, and so I stopped scumreading her for it.

I have explained why you are scum so don't try and tell everyone I haven't. Droog obviously understands, since he says he agreed, so I've hardly "not explained anything". I'm not playing this game with you. If you want to be town, stop doing the things I am scumreading you for. Don't turn around and make your scumminess about me. If you believed AV was scum you would have pushed it harder. If you believed I was scum you wouldn't have waited so long. You were trying to cover your baes and you got caught. I don't believe that you ever believed AV or I were scum. For an example of the difference, go look at early game. Farside was legitimately scumreading me because she thought I was purposefully using language she didn't like to piss her off. That's what it looks like to me when someone has a real scumread. You however did a lot of hemming and hawing about both AV and me. Yes if AV was your scumbuddy you'd do exactly what you did. Hell, if I were scum and he were my scumbuddy I would have done the same. Your actions explain everything to me, it explains everything to anyone else. It's up to the rest of the players to decide if your actions are scum motivated or not. I think they are.

I understand being cautious in MyLo, but I don't think that was your concern, because you were concerned about MyLo when you thought there was 7 players, and that doesn't make sense. MyLo is an even number of playerslots situation. At 7 players you should be worried about LyLo, but you specifically weren't.

Every time you go "Why would I as scum do this" just reaffirms my scumread. That's not a defense or justification for your behavior, that's a WIFOM deflection.

[T-Bone]

At this point, your slot has been full of scumminess. I know you can see ABR's play and see that it was scummy. It seems like to me you have been trying really hard to make up for that and it comes across and disingenuous to me. I'm not looking for you (or anyone) to tell me, point by point why everything you've done is town. I'm looking for you to just show me you are town with your play. It's something you have failed to do for me thus far.

[T-Bone]

Because it was a misunderstanding based on something that had nothing to do with the game.

Because he is. I can't imagine him being scum at this point.

I have explained myself very clearly, yes. I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum, you can check your role PM to see if I'm right or not.

I'm not going through the trouble of linking, you can just confirm through my ISO. But I have stated several times in #1357, #1357, #1370, #1371, #1374, #1401, #1404, and every other post on this page. I have said several times such as in #1357 "here's what I had a problem with in ABR-slot pre-replacement....in 1367 when I said "ABR showed clear scum thinking, in which I was referring to his surviving-scum mentality he demonstrated throughout the game (and I have mentioned that reason before), in 1371 when I say "I hate the hedging", #1374 when I crush you for saying "this is why you can't think I'm scum".

Basically I have clearly demonstrated things that were scummy with your play, and I have been calling your slot scum well before you ever replaced in. So don't try to tell me I'm not explaining myself, that I'm not showing any sort of progression in my reads, or that I have made no case, when I have clearly done ALL THOSE THINGS. Are you hoping that if you say "T-Bone has no case" enough that everyone will just forget I have posted about it ever?

The difference between my actions concerning MyLo and yours, is that I never feigned any sort of concern for it. It's MyLo....so? I'm very aggressive with my vote. And I only brought AV to L-2 (a player I felt just claimed scum for the world to see), so I wasn't concerned by a scum quick hammer. Here's the thing about 'being careful' in MyLo or LyLo, eventually you got to make a decision. You can't hem and haw forever. I wasn't going to hem and haw over it. I felt AV showed clear scumthink, and I voted him for it.

ABR didn't play with town motive. he admittedly pretty early on he was only interested in surviving. Next, yes if I think you're scum I want you to show me where I'm wrong. I don't want you to tell me why I'm wrong, I want you to show me through solid town play. If you're town then you have a chance to shine through the scumminess. Here's a crazy thought. I always think I can be wrong on my reads. GASP I know a lot of players don't do that, but I do. You weren't here for mine and Farside's argument on Day 1, but once she let me know that she had a problem with the use of certain words and it had nothing to do with the game I changed my read, because I was wrong reading her as scum for the wrong reasons. If you were town, I think you would have shown it by now. tbh I was reconsidering my position on your slot when you entered the game. I thought your catch-up was pretty solid, I thought your case on AV made sense coming from a town perspective. What you did afterwards regarding him, and regarding me, DOESN'T make sense from a town perspective. And that's where you showed me that you aren't coming from a town perspective.

I am crystal clear as day here.

[T-Bone]

That post by UT leaves a sour feeling in my mouth. Since when does you being wrong ever affect how you approach a game? You're better than that.

[T-Bone]

The role you've claimed is a protective role and should have been played as such. ABR screwed the pooch early on though.

[T-Bone]

I wasn't talking about you Kuribo.

And I have no idea where I said anything about you?

[T-Bone]

Oh, sorry. I thought your post was that you agreed with the things I said.

[T-Bone]

And there was the VCA that Boo did, and that was alright, but ultimately I voted him for the reason that I voted him, for the language that he was using that suggested to me he was thinking about the game in terms of who could be lynched and who couldn't.

[T-Bone]

Pro-advice

[T-Bone]

Then what are we talking about?

[T-Bone]

Sorry, wasn't around yesterday.

I'm confident the scumteam is definitely UT and AV, with either Kuribo or Aegor as the third.

[T-Bone]

Someone has to be responsible for the lack of a kill right? No reason scum doesn't kill when if a 3 man team, a kill ends the game. Unless you want to believe a 2-man team...but even then, two missed kills...

[T-Bone]

prod dodge, long work week.

For what is worth, I had both HI and droog in my town pile, so the lack of any movement of the wagons is weird. If it's town vs. town, could scum resist? We should have a mass claim.

[T-Bone]

I never want to believe Tbone is scum

it's my greatest weakness

that and boobs

I'm sorry UT my love, but Zor keeps giving me scum what can I do????

Shame on Juls for not making us lovers though.

[T-Bone]

Actually I avoided the quick hammer cause I was afraid of bastard shenanigans. I didn't have the benefit of being able to go down in flames to get the win for my team...so I really played conservatively because of it.