FitzOtter I (Game Over)

[Bookitty]

Hello. I'm about half done reading, maybe a quarter of the way to comprehending this game. I'll be happy to answer any questions and to give preliminary reads when I get home in a couple of hours.

[Bookitty]

My initial reads have both farside (now droog) and T-bone as scum, with the latter more clear to me at this point.

I'm not done reading the whole game, and I'm not putting down a vote until 1) I finish reading the game and I get some sort of handle on it and 2) I hear from these two suspects or at least give them a chance to respond, since I think we may be at MYLO.

This is also my very first bastard game that I recall, so if I'm missing something important after I've read the entirety of the game, please point it out. I'm just treating it as a regular game for now.

Questions, comments, mild personal abuse welcome.

[Bookitty]

Paraphrasing my role PM, I am required to choose a player each night to target. If that player is nightkilled or killed some other way that night or is lynched or killed the next day, I die instead. As I read the role, the player targeted doesn't die.

ABR targeted T-bone the first night. The next two nights were randomly picked and were Untrod Tripod (Night 2) and... I'm not sure it's to town's benefit to say who was targeted last night, because it would essentially be a free lynch for scum if that player is scum. I'm still trying to work this out. If a significant percentage of players think I should say who was randomly chosen as the target last night, I will. My logic circuits are broken right now because I'm tired, though.

I think ABR was bored. I don't see why he wouldn't have chosen targets for himself if he was at all interested. I guess that's why he replaced out. During the early part I read, he seemed pretty much as I've seen him play previously.

EBWOP: My scumreads are based on early play; I don't think you (droog) have replaced in yet in the part I have read. So it would be farside's. I have very old meta on her, but I'm not depending on that.

[Bookitty]

I will have more complete reads tomorrow sometime (when I'm more awake and have finished reading the game).

One thing I want to point out, though, is that t-bone seemed really aggressive in pushing lynches and in pursuing his suspicions. If he's town, I would expect him to be dead already. That's not proof, but it's part of my thought process from earlier today.

[Bookitty]

Okay, some things I think I know:

Juls was telling the truth about her power, and she was town. She loverized Hostile Intent and Farside, now Droog. If one dies, the other dies. Yet both escaped the nightkill. Thus we can say that one of {Hostile Intent, Droog} is scum to some degree of certainty.

Aegor swapped powers/roles with Marky Mark, who was vanilla townie and MVP confirmed on death. According to Aegor, if Marky Mark had been scum, Aegor would have died. I think I believe this claim because:

1. Aegor wouldn't have lied as town about his wincon and his role
2. Marky Mark died as vanilla town and MVP.

So Aegor is conftown to me at this point.

If I had to call out the scumteam in its entirety (assuming there are three, which I would guess given all the town-sided power) I would call out droog, T-bone and Untrod Tripod. I'm more sure about the first two. I don't have a handle on AurorusVox yet.

I think Erotic Tales of Kuribo is town, mainly because of his reaction to DGB saying she sent him a friend request.

So, here's my reads:

Townish:
Aegor
Erotic Tales of Kuribo

Not sure:
Hostile Intent
AurorusVox

Scum:
Untrod Tripod
T-bone
Droog

I find this game a little difficult to understand; the Juls-Farside argument (Juls town) and the DGB-Farside argument (DGB town, but lying about her role) were really hard to navigate. I will have to do a reread, but since the weekend is coming up, that shouldn't be an issue.

[Bookitty]

@Aegor

: What are your current reads on Hostile Intent and Droog (formerly Farside)? Can you give me some insight on how those reads have evolved over time, please?

[Bookitty]

Okay, as I read the game (and correct me if you think I'm wrong, please please please):

Ika was lynched for very poor play, more or less. As a town power role in a bastard game no less, he showed really poor judgment imo by refusing to claim and then self-voting. At the least, a claim would have forced the nightkill by the scum rather than giving them a free lynch on town. He even self-voted. Bad bad bad.

No night kill on Night One. I don't see anything in my role that suggests my slot is responsible for that. I speculate that there's another protective role out there. If there is, please do not claim.

What's with the self-votes in this game?

Lynch count for DGB's lynch:

Aegor ( 4 ) AurorusVox

KonowaTOWN

Albert B. Rampage

Marky MarkTOWN

(L - 3 )
DrippingGoofball ( 7 )

JulsTOWN

Hostile Intent farside22

DrippingGoofballTOWN

T-Bone Untrod Tripod

AegorTOWN

(L - 0 )

Using DGB's theory of scum distribution, we can say there is probably one scum on Aegor's wagon (AurorusVox) and two of (Hostile Intent, farside22Droog, T-bone, Untrod Tripod). This is NOT always accurate, but it's evidence I'm taking into consideration.

Juls is lynched essentially for her role and for being pissed off at everyone. Droog isn't voting. Other wagons look like this:

Albert B. Rampage ( 1 ) T-Bone (L - 5 )
droog ( 2 ) Albert B. Rampage

AegorTOWN

(L - 4 )
Juls ( 6 ) Untrod Tripod kuribo Hostile Intent AurorusVox

Marky MarkTOWN

JulsTOWN

(L – 0)

Scum distribution theory says there'll be an outlier on this. I'm in an advantageous position here, because I know I'm town. So I can say if there's an outlier, it's T-bone or droog. We have two other scum in (Untrod Tripod, kuribo, Hostile Intent, AurorusVox).

This depends on there being three scum in this game. That's not certain, but it's the safest way to analyze, because if there are only two we could afford a mislynch today.

I'm probably going to vote AurorusVox when I vote. I do want to know if people want me to claim last night's randomized target before we get to voting.

Also, if you want an explanation of why Aegor is confirmed town, I'm happy to oblige.

[Bookitty]

So I can say if there's an outlier, it's T-bone or droog. We have two other scum in (Untrod Tripod, kuribo, Hostile Intent, AurorusVox).

Um, this isn't right, sorry. The outliers could be both T-bone and droog, in which case there would only be one scum in the four I listed later.

I realized it on a reread.

[Bookitty]

I think maybe letting the lovers live was to set up wifom mislynches but that's just a guess at this point.

I don't think this because 1) Farside is scrambling a lot in this game, something I associate with her scum game in the past and 2) If I were scum and I had a chance at a two-fer for a town nightkill, there's no way I'd let that pass me by.

I'm thinking AurorusVox and droog for scum.

[Bookitty]

Okay, let me spell this out for you very clearly, AurorusVox, in an effort to demonstrate that even if you are scum, you still need to read the game.

Aegor swapped powers with Marky Mark, which MM confirmed in thread. Marky Mark then flipped town MVP and was the target of the nightkill, confirming his towniness indisputably.

If Aegor had been scum and swapped wincons with MM, then MM would not have been the target of the nightkill, because he would have been scum. This is true regardless of whether Aegor has a Weak modifier or not.

If, on the other hand, MM had been scum and swapped powers with Aegor, then as soon as MM became town, he would have said, hey, guise, I'm town now and Aegor is scum. Also, this CAN'T have happened even in a bastard game because, hey, scum that becomes town will tell you who the other scums are. Therefore Aegor is telling the truth about the Weak modifier too, for balance reasons that ought to be very obvious even to you.

Your sudden interest in providing content is noted.

Aurorus Vox is scum. Counterarguments and defenses are welcomed, but I'm fairly certain this is where my vote will land.

[Bookitty]

Your angry tone aside, if Aegor were scum and gave the MVP power to town, why would scum then kill Marky Mark immediately? If you really believed that Aegor was scum, why would you be concerned that ABR didn't choose to protect him?

If I came off as condescending, I apologise. That wasn't my intent. Your reads were extremely far out of line with mine (yeah, I know, you didn't really read my posts) and you seem committed to the idea that Farside was town, something I don't believe. I think you're scum, but that doesn't make you a bad person. It just means you rolled scum.

[Bookitty]

I imagine they killed him because he was confirmed town or as close to it as we had? Therefore also why abr should have been on him.

Why would an unflipped Marky Mark be more conftown than Aegor?

[Bookitty]

Okay. I follow your logic, though I don't agree with it.

Explain to me why Farside is town, please. I have read the argument about the timing of her replacement, but that's not sufficient given my own admittedly ancient meta with Farside.

Also, I realise it's the weekend, but could some of the other players please weigh in? It's been a while since we've heard from you.

[Bookitty]

Oh, and while I think of it:

I see no Weak modifier on my role. So the fact that people were targeted by my role does NOT clear them of being scum. I noticed that people were making this assumption early on, but it's just not so.

[Bookitty]

I really don't like how TBone has been coasting today after abr's announcement that he targeted him put his lynch largely off the map. Hiplop has continued to lurk and their small handful of posts seem scummy, but happy to give the slot time to see if it was just that player seeing as kuribo has stepped in.

It's possible he was just saying that Tbone's lynch was off the map for that day, though. My initial read of the game (I've been doing VCA and ISO stuff since that) was when I was pretty tired.

But I'm sure that's what I was thinking of.

[Bookitty]

I prefer Film Noir:

At last the town had had enough. They'd already been through so much:

• Forced breeding programs between Hostile Intent and Farside
  
  Bookitty's strange habit of visiting random people at night, jumping out, and screaming, "I'm here to save you!"
  
  The cop hanging himself in an act of sexual deviance when he was accused of working with the mob
  
  Marky Mark's gruesome death just after he'd been named Most Valuable Penis
  
  Untrod Tripod

It was time to take a stand. Bookitty fluttered her eyelashes, pursed her ruby-red lips and leaned way over to whisper softly in Kuribo's ear, "Hey, honey, wanna lynch AurorusVox with me?"

[Bookitty]

Lynch count for DGB's lynch:

Aegor ( 4 ) AurorusVox KonowaTOWN Albert B. Rampage Marky MarkTOWN (L - 3 )
DrippingGoofball ( 7 ) JulsTOWN Hostile Intent farside22 DrippingGoofballTOWN T-Bone Untrod Tripod AegorTOWN (L - 0 )

Using DGB's theory of scum distribution, we can say there is probably one scum on Aegor's wagon (AurorusVox) and two of (Hostile Intent, farside22Droog, T-bone, Untrod Tripod). This is NOT always accurate, but it's evidence I'm taking into consideration.

The original suspicion is based on VCA. While players can lie, their votes often betray them. While it's possible (assuming three scum, of course) that all three scum were on the DGB wagon, the only possible scum (from my point of view) on Aegor's wagon is AurorusVox. I don't believe that all the scum would have been on DGB's wagon, ergo I can say that I am relatively sure that AurorusVox is scum.

[Bookitty]

AurorusVox, why do you think Farside is town? Put another way, why do you think Hostile Intent is scum?

Droog, why did it matter if my read on you was derived from Farside's play or from your own? This is one of the things that reinforced my scumread on Farside, actually. It looked like scum trying to find excuses for their likely lynch.

[Bookitty]

If she knew these arguments were false (i.e. because she was town), this would account for her frustration and request for replacement.

Here's why I disagree.

If Farside was drawn into a one-vs-one with both Juls AND with DGB (and she was) then her arguments that they were scum would be evidently false when they flipped. This would leave her in a very vulnerable position as scum regardless of whether there was any wagon on her. Farside is a competent player imo and would see this vulnerability.

Also, Juls was pushing for a Hostile Intent lynch while fighting with Farside. This argues that she wasn't seeing Farside as scum, at least at first; that particular line of support would die with Juls.

Also, I'm horribly disgusted by the smutty turn this game has taken. I want to go on the record to say that I never saw such filth on the farm. :p

[Bookitty]

No. I think she quit on the game because she didn't want to be the first scum lynch.

You were in Oldy Mafia, Untrod Tripod. Why did she replace out there?

[Bookitty]

i am fairly sure that someone overanalyzing the replace out
is scum

Well, that was AurorusVox's argument originally. So that's who you think is scum?

[Bookitty]

Let's say that I accept that you're town, droog. Who do you think are the scums other than Hostile Intent, please?

[Bookitty]

I didn't choose it; it was randomly chosen for me. ABR didn't submit people to protect for Night 2 or Night 3. I don't know why that is. I don't think my role is especially important for the town.

It happens to be someone I think is scum, though, so that's an issue for me.

The fact that three votes have built up on AV makes me pretty confident he's not scum, sadly enough for my theory. I haven't voted him because I believe we may be in MYLO; now I'm not going to vote him because I don't see why three townies would happily vote him 1-2-3 without more discussion in this situation.

[Bookitty]

And @AurorusVox: In the quote you posted, you were speculating AegorTown and MarkyMarkTown. I was responding to you 1) not thinking Aegor is conftown now and 2) criticising ABR for not protecting MarkyMark as conftown vs. not protecting Aegor as conftown?

To be fair, ABR didn't do either. No clue why, either.

[Bookitty]

It's worth noting that if not all the scum are on AurorusVox's wagon and he is town, we should find out pretty quick

[Bookitty]

Do you think we are in MYLO, T-Bone?

If AV is town and I were scum, why would I not hammer him?

If AV is scum and I were scum, why would I have pushed this case in MYLO in the first place?

inb4 HI says WIFOM again

Seriously, there's no logic that could possibly lead you to believe I'm scum at this point, regardless of AV's alignment.

If there are three scum remaining, and anyone on the wagon isn't scum, I expect a hammer shortly.

[Bookitty]

Alternatively, if AV IS scum, no hammer would show us that pretty convincingly as well. I think.

[Bookitty]

When people say "there is no reason you should believe I am scum".....

That's not what I said. At least do me the courtesy of quoting before misrepping.

I gave logical reasons why I'm not scum. I didn't make some vague "OMG, there's no reason you should think I'm scum!" comment.

EBWOP: Meh, you're right. Okay, I retract my AV is probtown comments. I was sure it was seven players left and four to lynch, but I see that I left myself off my list.

[Bookitty]

@T-Bone:

What is your read on Droog?

[Bookitty]

Okay, think of it like this, AurorusVox.

If there are three scum left, they need just two town votes to ensure a lynch on anyone they choose.

I thought they needed only four, but that's irrelevant to our discussion.

IF you are town, and I'm not sure about that, then you have to consider that the scum will flock to your wagon to ensure a fast win. So far, we have Hostile Intent, kuribo, T-Bone on your wagon. Untrod Tripod posted but did not vote you. Droog is lost. Aegor is pretty silent.

There is literally no way that I could prove that I thought it was just four to lynch, but it's irrelevant for now. The fact that your wagon built so quickly and that the reasoning given for voting you seems somewhat suspect (I don't think my own case was ironclad, either, as it depended on VCA and that's not all that reliable without at least one scum flip, but at least it's not seizing on the use of the word conftown, something I've done my fair share of and that T-Bone has ignored) -- that's not sitting well with me. That makes me think you're more of town than of not.

Makes sense now?

[Bookitty]

I forget what colors on zoraster's vote counts mean. Can someone remind me? Something about moving votes?

Even/odd. At least for me it's easier to understand immediately than when I used commas.

Note that this response was not in the OOC font of truth.

[Bookitty]

This just keeps bothering me:

@T-Bone:

What is your read on Droog?

He's town.

*probably town

Why did you need to add post 1375, T-Bone?

[Bookitty]

No, not what I mean. Why did you first say "He's town" and then edit yourself to say he's probably town? Wouldn't the first have communicated the same message just as effectively?

[Bookitty]

I don't even fuckin know, man

I just

I'm embarrassed about being so fucking wrong about everything this game

Give it a try, UT. It's not like we could do worse than we already have been.

If you had the power to autolynch anyone, who would it be?

In other news, I'm on the fence about T-Bone. The edit to correct what looked like a scumslip was kind of bad, especially after his comments about town not thinking in terms of conftown, but he owned up to it right away when I asked. Still mulling over that.

[Bookitty]

If I were going to vote right now, I'd vote T-Bone. I just get a really bad feeling from the disappearing wagon on Day One and the weird pick-and-choose way he jumped on the AurorusVox wagon while still saying that ABR/me were still scummier. Pinging my scumdar pretty hard.

Hostile Intent's vote on AurorusVox didn't seem very well supported, so I'm suspicious there, too.

Still thinking, though.

[Bookitty]

@T-Bone:

Since when have you had a townread on HI? Quotes, please, or it didn't happen.

I see no evidence for this anywhere. Also, you think both of the loverized players were town, even though the scum could have gotten a two-fer by nightkilling one on the night they were loverized?

And what would be the scum motivation in pushing a lynch on AV (presumably for towncred) and then backing off it? That makes no sense for scum REGARDLESS of AV's alignment. If I were scum trying to bus him, why wouldn't I carry through that plan to the finish? If I were scum trying to push a lynch on town, why the hell would I ever back off it when the wagon was almost complete?

Yeah, you were a scumread based on the fact that you gave not one solid set of reads throughout the game. Your vote on AV during what for all we know is MYLO didn't inspire confidence either. Your little slip where you said Droog was town and then HAD to correct yourself (OMG, I accidentally implied that I knew Droog's alignment, gotta fix that!) was just the icing on the cake of your scumminess.

VOTE: T-Bone

@Droog: I never voted AV, ergo I was never on the AV wagon. Can you clarify your question?

[Bookitty]

For real Farside is scum, I've laid it out why he is scum, and Farside's only responses have been misrepresentations and freak outs. Farside votes please.

What changed your mind on Farside/Droog, T-Bone?

Also, why do you think HI is town?

You said there were lots of reasons to consider ABR/me as scum. Please list those, keeping in mind that you yourself said level of activity shouldn't be used to call YOU scummy.

Why are you "the right lynch," T-Bone? Can you explain the scum motivation behind pushing one lynch almost all the way and then putting the brakes on abruptly?

I can explain the town motivation for my actions quite easily. I thought AV was scum based on VCA and, when his wagon built so quickly, I realised that probably wasn't the case. I don't wanna lynch prob-town.

And you never have really said why I'm scum other than that I'm "posturing" to ... what? Attract attention? Show off my pretty new dress? The posturing thing won't fly, so explain why you think I'm scum using quotes or examples, please.

[Bookitty]

Also, as for why I wasn't voting AV or you, T-Bone, I thought it was only four to lynch. Have a look at the last day of Oldy Mafia for why it's best to be cautious with your vote in likely MYLO.

[Bookitty]

Because what i thought Farside was scummy for had nothing to do with the game, and so I stopped scumreading her for it.

And what was that, precisely?

Why is HI one of your strongest townreads?

If you are town, you do need to explain yourself better. If you've made your case on me, surely you can provide me with a link to that case rather than pointing to "I'm so lost" Droog and saying, see, HE gets it.

Link me up, dude.

And MYLO, LYLO, whichever, it's semantics. If you're scum, I can't fault you for voting AV so quickly. But if you're town, you should be a lot more careful, and you've pretty well proven that you know that.

EBWONinjapost: What was scummy about ABR's play? And why, if you actually thought I was scum, would you be asking me to show you that I'm town? WTF, honestly?

[Bookitty]

You're wrong, UT.

But it's cool. I tried

[Bookitty]

You might try reading the last couple of pages, though, just to see what I mean.

[Bookitty]

Scum would have a very strong motive for wanting to finish a wagon quickly on town. The speed of the votes on AV made me feel that he probably wasn't scum, because when scum make up nearly half the town (as I believe they do here) then any fast-wagon on anyone looks suspicious.

I don't honestly care if you call me scum or if you say you've made a case (though just saying ABR had a survivor mentality is crap; anyone can have a survivor mentality and his failure to send in any night actions for the last two nights completely disproves that, imo). It's possible you can get a lynch on me based on the general apathy and demoralisation of town. I'm not discounting that. But it doesn't change the fact that your case is crap and that it's built on ABR's boredom with this game and with my own attempt to prevent what I think would be a mislynch.

What SPECIFICALLY was the misunderstanding with Farside that had nothing to do with this game? Why did you read her as scum because of something that had nothing to do with this game? Are you saying that you read her as scum because she got pissed because you used the term harping? Really? That was your whole basis for a scumread that you pushed for pages?

Every way in which you have interacted with me argues that you know I'm town. Why would that be, if you really thought that I was scum?

[Bookitty]

The fact that UT is willing to vote me and not AV earlier is a bit weird and makes me wonder if I wasn't right in the first place

[Bookitty]

Okay. I just ISO-ed you (Hostile Intent) and I trust you as town. I was getting paranoid because of all the love for droog, but I still think that slot is scum too.

So okay. If UT is scum (which, maybe so, I have only seen him as town recently and it was different than he is in this game) then AV is scum. Which would actually probably make T-Bone town. (Imo the UT-AV thing is reciprocal; if AV is scum, so is UT.)

So if I assume T-bone town, HI town, that would argue that it's all town on the AV wagon (or, kuribo replaces droog on scumlist, but I am still stuck on the loverized thing).

Thinking.

Okay, correct me if my logic is wrong here:

If AV is scum, then T-Bone-scum would probably not have voted him in the first place. If he had, then the vote would probably have been sticky to ensure maximum towncred from bussing.
If AV is town, then T-Bone-scum would have no motivation to move his vote from town-AV (with more votes) to town-me (with no votes at that point).

So probably T-Bone isn't scum, for nearly the same reasons I gave for me not being scum earlier.

That's right, isn't it? Pretty sure that's right.

I need to check something about my role before I vote just in case there's a quickhammer. Posting this now so I don't page away from it accidentally.

[Bookitty]

Okay. I target a player at night. For that night and for the following day, if they would die, I die instead.

So it's safe to tell who was randomly targeted last night. It was Droog.

I HAVE to protect someone (hence the random targets chosen by the mod the last two nights). I don't see that I die if I target scum and I think I would die if targeted for the nightkill, so I can't figure out how to use this role as an investigative tool. It's just a straight shot bodyguard for lynches and kills as far as I can see.

If anyone else has an idea in that regard, please let me know.

[Bookitty]

VOTE: Aurorus Vox

[Bookitty]

Bookitty, do you mind explaining why you were holding off the TBone vote? And then voted him after he voted you?

I wasn't holding off the T-Bone vote. I was holding off the AurorusVox vote. Then T-Bone behaved in a way I thought was scummy (I pointed it out before) and continued down that path in my view. I'm sure there's some OMGUS in my vote as well. When I thought about the fact that he pulled his vote off AV and put it on me (and I know I'm town), there's no reason for scum to do that unless AV is scum. Even then it doesn't make sense for T-Bone to do it because he loses cred for bussing and puts a vote on someone who doesn't have any.

So I am betting it's AV based on that.

[Bookitty]

Bookitty, do you mind explaining why you were holding off the TBone vote? And then voted him after he voted you?

this was a major cause for my vote tbqh

Can you explain this further, please?

[Bookitty]

My revised list of reads based on the last few days:

• Untrod Tripod: Probably scum, sadly enough. This "I'm so lost" thing is more expected from a newbie and is not in character for UT town. It seems more like an excuse to skate along until scum auto-win by default.
  
  T-Bone: Yeah, I think it's weird how his wagon just dissipated on Day One. I think he's pushed bad cases and he's pushing a bad case on me. Unfortunately, though, unless AV is scum, I don't think T-Bone is scum. I may be overthinking it, but even if AV did flip scum, why would T-Bone have voted him in the first place? I'm tentatively putting T-Bone in town.
  
  Hostile Intent: I think he's town. I read and reread his ISO and some of the things he's said I absolutely can't see coming from scum. (Quotes available on request.)
  
  AurorusVox: I believe he's scum based on three things: 1) the VCA points to him in two places. (Again, quotes available on request.) 2) I think the people on his wagon are town (yes, even T-Bone at this point). 3) Untrod Tripod carefully skipped voting for him and voted for me (town) as soon as the option became viable. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.
  
  Aegor: I still think he's town. I don't think his role or his actions make sense otherwise.
  
  Droog: If there is scum in HI-Droog, and I believe there is, Droog is that scum. His vote on me with what looks like amazingly weak justification supports this.
  
  Erotic Tales of Kuribo: Here is my weakest townread. I think he's town because I don't think scum would have the lighthearted attitude he displays when victory is just within their grasp. I don't think scum on the verge of victory would say, "I'll sheep the next person who posts." I'm filing him in town, but I could be wrong on this one.

It's fair to note that I'm not the world's best scumhunter, but at least I'm trying. If you are town resigned to a scum win and wanting to get this game over, lynching me will accomplish that if there are three scum left. If you still have some fight left in you, though, THINK about this game. Think about why I would come in as a replacement and make huge waves and accuse about half the players left. Think about why I would push a lynch and then get nervous about the speed of the wagon. There's a ton of town motivation to do this. Explain to me how going out of my way to be noticed and to make enemies would be advantageous if I were scum.

[Bookitty]

I will likely be busy this evening, but I will check in tomorrow morning at the latest to respond to questions or whatever.

[Bookitty]

will have more to say tomorrow

Was this as in, tomorrow after we go to night, or yesterday-tomorrow?

And what you guys don't know about female anatomy is a lot. Babies live in the uterus. True fact.

[Bookitty]

droog/farside is a lot more town than HI

What makes you think this?

Also, HI, NOW the entire scumteam is on me. :p

[Bookitty]

Go over your reasons for HI scum, please.

[Bookitty]

Farside was far from obvtown, as witnessed by the suspicions on her from people who have died and flipped town. Maybe that's how YOU see it, but that's not the general case.

HI asked Juls why she wasn't voting him rather than splitting votes between him and Farside when they were loverised. Why would scum be pushing for their own lynch in that situation, which is essentially what that was?

Meh. I've done my best to scumhunt, but I'm not confident that I'm right. Other than HI and T-Bone, I don't really feel like anyone else is very engaged in the game anyway. Given these facts, I'm kind of okay with being lynched rather than dragging this game out further and waiting around for people to be interested enough to post. It's possible there are only two scum left and we wouldn't lose.

[Bookitty]

My scumreads, not in order:

Untrod Tripod. He claims he was lost and so embarrassed for being wrong to the dead thread. This post simply doesn't ring true to me at all. It's almost like bragging (I'm so sorry I stole your boyfriend -- it was an accident, honestly!) and then his vote on me while carefully avoiding the AV vote... that puts a link between UT and AV that I can't unsee.

AV's reaction to his wagon is... actually, kind of the same as mine to mine. My main case on him is the VCA and then the actions of T-Bone and UT. It's not a great case. His opinion on Farside is misguided, but I'm not sure it's coming from scum motivation. That said, I'm not sure it's not.

I go back and forth on T-Bone; I feel both he and UT are avoiding this thread, which makes me think that they might be scum trying to skate neatly to a win without exposing themselves too much. I see links between these two.

Droog is probably scum, just because I'm pretty sure HI is town and because Droog has refrained from giving any substantial content since his replace in.

I dunno. Gun to my head, I'm just not absolutely sure that AV is scum. I don't see a benefit to my survival over his if he's town. I'd rather have my vote on someone I am more sure is scum, even if it gets me lynched.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Bookitty]

VOTE: farside

I mean, you're lynching both of us. Wouldn't it be faster to vote for me?

I suppose juls could just jump over I just don't get the splitting here.

There you go.

[Bookitty]

Okay, there are essentially four possibilities:

HI and Droog (Farside) are both scum.
HI is town and Droog is scum.
Hi is scum and Droog is town.
Both are town.

If HI is town, he won't know for sure that Farside is scum. He may think so based on interactions outside the thread we can see. But he can't know it for sure.

If he's scum, he'll know Farside's alignment.

If Farside is town OR scum, she wouldn't want their lynch to go through. There's no difference in the motivation regardless of alignment; two scum won't want their lynch to go through, two town won't want their lynch to go through, and any scum on the possible two-fer lynch won't want that lynch to go through. The ONLY instance in which you want that lynch to go through is if you are town and you think your Lover is scum. I played a game (and I can find it, but I remember it being long, so be warned) in which I was paired with a scum Lover and I was begging for my own lynch earlier on in the game. Town would almost certainly be willing to trade their one town life for one scum down.

HI, did you think Farside was scum? Or was this just a response to DGB voting Farside at that time?

[Bookitty]

Well, I think that's a lynch on me (could be wrong, but I think so).

Sorry town, I was doing my best.

[Bookitty]

I thought T-Bone was scum but no one would believe me.