FitzOtter I (Game Over)

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Vote: dgb

Pay attention to me.

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This is a bastard game.

So?
What's with the quick lynch on t-bone? You butt hurt about not catching him as scum in the last game?


Hi abr. *waves*

@juls: have you ever joined an rvs be before?

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Last game?

What's with the quick lynch on t-bone?

I'd love to beat a site record.

I think that record goes to the micro game that just ended after I believe 4 RL days.


@abr: fortnight

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I forget what colors on zoraster's vote counts mean. Can someone remind me? Something about moving votes?

Nothing.

@t-bone: why did you note juls vote on you over others?

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Except we're already in twilight, stupid.

Your user name is very fitting.

Kowana: I have no mental capability at this time. Are you joking?

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Well hostile maybe a VI.

Dgb: what makes you think Konowa is telling the truth?

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Day 1

DrippingGoofball ( 1 )

farside22

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(L - 6 )

farside22 ( 1 )

Albert B. Rampage

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(L - 6 )

ika ( 1 )

The Bulge

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(L - 6 )

Juls ( 1 )

hiplop

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(L - 6 )

T-Bone ( 5 )

Untrod Tripod

AurorusVox

Juls

ika

DrippingGoofball

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(L - 2 )

The Bulge ( 1 )

Hostile Intent

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(L - 6 )

Untrod Tripod ( 1 )

T-Bone

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(L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 2 )

Aegor Konowa

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Total Votes ( 13 )

Needed to Lynch [ 7 ]

Deadline: Sept 28th at 20:00 EDT

Bolded and underlined for clarity, since you somehow missed that.

And I'm the idiot? Go fuck yourself.

Yet somehow you missed aegor's name as a non voter.

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Agreed with Farside, Hostile Intent is likely VI.

Konowa town, ABR town(?), TBone can wait.

Tbone hasn't even responded. Why can he wait?

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So bastard games means everyone play as bad as possible I guess.

I'm a non consecutive night neighborizor for two people other than myself. There's a little more but if you lynch me you can kiss my ass so I ain't telling you the rest.

I agree with the first part but why would you fake shoot the vi?

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Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Same with tbone.
Of course tbone hasn't responded which bothers me.

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I will full claim tomorrow. Please know that my role is 100% confirmable and has 0% chance of being given to scum.

Neighborizor is null.
Abr was a neighborizor scum in a game.
I was a town neighborizor in a normal game.
Do you neighborizor one or two players at a time? Or is it you can have up to two players to chat with in the qt?

Fakeday kill after Fakedoublevote hammer doesn't lessen my suspicions on juls.

ika/farside, I wanted THAT to be a legit hammer at that point for :reasons:, but putting that aside I think Juls is more likely scum than Tbone.

As for waiting for reactions/continuing with the wagon, Tbone's reactions now will not be helpful since there's been a VC, so I don't have any interest in keeping the wagon on when I have an actual scumread.

Why do you think juls is more likely scum?

And what?

What did you think of hostile's reaction?

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@farside - I can neighborize two other people but the second part of my role is confirmable. It's useless if I reveal today but potentially helpful if I reveal tomorrow.

Alright.

Now what is your view of hostile's reaction to your fake shot?

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Sorry missed post 123

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:Lol:

Both being online posting over each other.

I'm not up for lynching juls here.

Aegor's vote on ika is interesting. Not sure why.
I have a few town reads but these speed wagons are giving me fitz.

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Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

Quote where I harped on you for not responding.
Or die for lying.

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Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

Quote where I harped on you for not responding.
Or die for lying.

Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Same with tbone.
Of course tbone hasn't responded which bothers me.

Oh no Farside.....turns out you did exactly what I just accused you of doing!

That is not harping.

Lynch all liars

Vote: tbone

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So what were those then? Sell me on what you were actually trying to do.

Both were concern of the wagon dispersing with no reason and some I feel following my original comment about juls.
One was towards vox who is still calling you scum without a response from you and targeting juls next based on nothing.
Why would you think the second was towards you when it about vox change of vote from you to juls?
One was noting the wagon change without those saying your scummy suddenly switching.
Not harping.
Please define harping by your definition.

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I don't know if farside is going down this "lynch all liars" route for something like that.

I should have done it I pf's game when squirell blarney lied.

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T-bone: why did you not come back to the game when you were online to respond to the wagon?

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You said twice "tbone isn't responding" with the "it bothers me" the second time. If you're trying to claim that you were concerned over the composition of my wagon, this is perhaps the least amount of concern you could ever muster up.

Now you can say you weren't harping on me and you were trying to get across a different message. But no instead you went into the uber scum defensive "lynch all lairs" instead of I dunno maybe understanding how I interpreted your post?

Konowa, do you think Farside really cares about his reads? You lied, Juls lied, yet he's got his vote on me for interpeting his actions as trying to play the "Bone is avoiding this thread" card. Nope, rather than try to understand what I was interpreting his posts to mean he went straight to a scummy extreme.

1 time was towards vox. Again how is that towards you at all?

You didn't ask about my post and interpret them as harping based on one post.
Ie: not harping
You claimed action untrue without asking questions. Are you a hypocrite or scum? Please let me know.

Where did juls lie? Where did Konowa lie?

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Day 1

DrippingGoofball ( 1 )

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(L - 6 )

farside22 ( 1 )

Albert B. Rampage

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(L - 6 )

ika ( 1 )

The Bulge

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(L - 6 )

Juls ( 1 )

hiplop

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(L - 6 )

T-Bone ( 5 )

Untrod Tripod

AurorusVox

Juls

ika

DrippingGoofball

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(L - 2 )

The Bulge ( 1 )

Hostile Intent

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(L - 6 )

Untrod Tripod ( 1 )

T-Bone

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(L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 2 )

Aegor Konowa

Total Votes ( 13 )

Needed to Lynch [ 7 ]

Deadline: Sept 28th at 20:00 EDT

Vote count time.
Post by t-bone. http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 0&sr=posts

Really?

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VOTE: tbone

one or both are scum, i doubt they have the skils to try a crossbussing of this cailabar and look genuine.

ffs.

know what im going to look for those associative tells now

Who are you talking about here?

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Fine it was towards Vox. It still looked like to me you were playing the "bone is avoiding the thread" card. You mentioned me, so yes it has everything to do with me.

Nor did you offer an interpertation, you jumped to "lynch all liars"

How about Konowa's fake double vote hammer? How about Juls fake daykill? Let's ignore the facts of this game, because it's not convenient for Farside's "lynch all lairs" assertion. Because THEY lied in thread. I INTERPRETED your posts as scummy.

You lied to make a case. Should I town read a player that expects me to question them but doesn't question me back?

As for juls/Konowa the gambit phase of games is null. Are you going to sit there and tell me you have never see a gambit?
It's not scummy or town. It can be faked by scum or town looking for info.
If I search your games will I find players doing gambits?

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Ika; I have to say your play style is a bit erratic.

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T-bone: are you the type to look for scum on wagons?

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I actually lean town on Tbone over the past few pages.

@konowa why did you think HIs reaction was town?

Why? His reasons are off and bloated.

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T-bone: are you the type to look for scum on wagons?

I'm not opposed to that methodology. What does this have to do with anything we are discussing?

I'm curious why you said nothing to anyone but juls. You never awnsered my question directed to you about that.

oh i request abr to myter me. i feel like my overabundance of town is going to get me killed btu if he doesnt my post say all

p-edit: my mood dictates a lot of my play. we should hydra.

when im happy/this mood: im erraticly positng and stuff
when im pissy/angry: i come off like that to people
when im sad/depressed: my post kinda reflect it

it will rpob pass and my voulme of posting will degrade over time

Haha. My mood is like this.
Happy- silly
Mad-bitchy
Sad-bitchy

The emotional roller coast of a hydra between us would put people into a world of chaos.

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Well you're ignoring everything farside is doing so you must read him as town. These are the assumptions we are making right? I didn't post in this thread since last night so I MUST be avoiding it.

Juls is scum, so you're really bad at this. Juls was scummy, fake, and defensive, and I demonstrated as such. What is bad about any of those points I make? You're making sweeping generalizations about my "pushing being bad" but you don't have any specifics. So if you can make sweeping generalizations about my case, I can make sweeping generalizations about your reads. Ika thinks farside and Juls are confirmed town everyone, let the record show.

You think one of Juls or Bone is scum, but MY case is bad? What about Juls essentially leading my wagon to L-1? You're ignoring the events of the game to fit your narrow view of the game. Is this as high quality as you're going to get or are you, like farside, going to ignore things when they are inconvenient to your play?

No Farside you CAN'T have it both ways just to fit your fake assertion. Either you "lynch all liars" or you don't. Me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread is not lying, it is me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread.

What is so 'obscure" about my angle on Juls? What from my post last page was obscure? Did I not assert that Juls was 'scummy, fake, and defensive' and then show the posts that I believe represent those qualities? That's not "obscure" that's CLEAR as fucking day Ika.

EDIT I"M JUST GONNA POST AND THEN CATCH UP ON THE NINJA POSTS

See this is all scummy. You jump to conclusions based on 2 post and completely blow it out of proportion of what was said.
I told you one was towards vox and you still use harping and claiming you were purposely avoiding the thread. Things I never said. You are implying shit that does not exist in this thread or game.

You also have now avoided answering my question to your counter and started preaching to all.
This coming from a player that supposedly wants to have people ask questions.

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The emotional roller coast of a hydra between us would put people into a world of chaos.

we need to hydra. maximum mahyem

/in!
Haha.

Remind me if I forget. I'm currently up to my eyeball in games.

Note to self for later.

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tbone, how come your being so hypocrtitacl?

lets start there

Ummm what?

lats also do an exercise:

preted juls is confirmed scum: who are her scum buddies?

now pretend juls is confirmed town: who is scum?

I think the interactions with Farside would point to him strongly being a scumbuddy. Notice how he didn't protest at all the the quick wagon on me, but when it got turned around on Juls, he threw his hands up and went "i'm not up for lynching Juls". He had no such concern for the quick wagon on me though.

Also Tbone, how did I lead your wagon when I was like the 3rd or fourth vote?

Our exchange on Page 1 was the catalyst for it. The first two votes were joke votes, when you decide "/resume voting bone' you took ownership of that wagon, because now (unlike UT and Vox) it was no longer RVS shenanigans. You certainly didn't show concern about the quick wagon on me either.

Hahahahahahahah

*Wipes tears*

Hypocrisy thy name is tbone.

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That's what the series of events looked like to me.

I mean I'm still defending myself against a wagon that formed based on nothing. I can only do so much. DGB is bad too, but I've had to defend myself from a barrage of questions and accusations from the three of you (ika, and farside). I'd like to look at my wagon, but I'd like the BS to stop. What was my wagon even about in the first place?

I must have missed the post you come in the thread after supposedly catching up and voting for a reason that comes from supposedly reading the thread.

Juls: tell me I'm crazy. I just can't for the life of me see town motivation here, in regards to tbone.
Are you concerned about ika comment?

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Well you're ignoring everything farside is doing so you must read him as town. These are the assumptions we are making right? I didn't post in this thread since last night so I MUST be avoiding it.

Juls is scum, so you're really bad at this. Juls was scummy, fake, and defensive, and I demonstrated as such. What is bad about any of those points I make? You're making sweeping generalizations about my "pushing being bad" but you don't have any specifics. So if you can make sweeping generalizations about my case, I can make sweeping generalizations about your reads. Ika thinks farside and Juls are confirmed town everyone, let the record show.

You think one of Juls or Bone is scum, but MY case is bad? What about Juls essentially leading my wagon to L-1? You're ignoring the events of the game to fit your narrow view of the game. Is this as high quality as you're going to get or are you, like farside, going to ignore things when they are inconvenient to your play?

No Farside you CAN'T have it both ways just to fit your fake assertion. Either you "lynch all liars" or you don't. Me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread is not lying, it is me thinking you are harping on me for avoiding the thread.

What is so 'obscure" about my angle on Juls? What from my post last page was obscure? Did I not assert that Juls was 'scummy, fake, and defensive' and then show the posts that I believe represent those qualities? That's not "obscure" that's CLEAR as fucking day Ika.

EDIT I"M JUST GONNA POST AND THEN CATCH UP ON THE NINJA POSTS

See this is all scummy. You jump to conclusions based on 2 post and completely blow it out of proportion of what was said.
I told you one was towards vox and you still use harping and claiming you were purposely avoiding the thread. Things I never said. You are implying shit that does not exist in this thread or game.

You also have now avoided answering my question to your counter and started preaching to all.
This coming from a player that supposedly wants to have people ask questions.

So? You got UBER DEFENSIVE over one vote, I was brought to L-1. You can't complain about how I chose to vote. Maybe it's a pressure vote? Maybe you completely flipped the fuck out under said pressure? Maybe I wanted to start progressing through reads, hence me singling out Juls on page 1, and singling out you next? This is very consistent with the way I play. You can disagree with it, that's fine. But instead you've gone and misrepresented my posts with your "lynch all lairs" assertion.

I haven't avoided any questions. Have you seen the last few pages? It's nothing but people bombarding me with questions that I am answering.

You lied.
I said to show where I harped on you not posting.
I asked you what is harping (by the way I hate the word harping) and you quoted 2 post and instead of a discussion you went to defensive the moment I voted you for lying and instead if asking questions you assumed.
You have this do as I say not as I do post attitude.
Do you even know that?
You ask people to ask questions and figure things out. You don't do that without voting.
You call juls out for caring about the votes on her and the wagon on her. So? And? That is not scummy in the least it's null at best.
I explained my post and you ignore everything I post and make it a case if proof.
Tell me where I'm wrong thus far.
Now your saying you would look at the wagon on you if given a chance. My question....why the fuck did you not do that already?

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@juls: I'm referring to your post here.

lats also do an exercise:

preted juls is confirmed scum: who are her scum buddies?

now pretend juls is confirmed town: who is scum?

I didn't answer the second part, but if Juls is town that's great, there are some interactions with her claim that are interesting. Scum would know Juls is claiming truth in her role.

your acting like you know juls wont flip town.....

i get this odd vibe if one flips scum the ohter is as well in a huge attmept of corss-bussing

The fact that you keep trying to set this up makes me worried you are buddies.

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I voted you because it appeared to me that you were trying to play the "bone is avoiding this thread" card. But yeah, I voted for you without a reason. Blatant misrepresentation on your part. I mean it was crystal fucking clear the reasoning behind my vote, but that's too inconvenient for your worldview huh?

Oh so your voting me for misrepresting my post and claiming I said something I did not.
Good to know.

But here, let me help you. I'm going to avoid this thread now. Please occasionally point this out to everyone till I come back.

Waaaahhhhh apparently showing the vote count that Zor made and your post history and time you posted is being avoided by you for "reasons"

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I also don't know if I like Juls interpretation of #91 after her fakedayvig, as it's pretty Town to me, but that's up for debate.

Yeah, but that's not lying and you asking for clarification on harping after the fact just looks like you're trying to pigeonhole T-Bone into the "lynch all liars" bit. Plus it's not a hardfast rule, I lied about being a double voter, where's my vote?

I'm curious why you think t-bone comment is truthful.
He's whole reason for voting was misrepresenting 2 post. Unless you can explain how it is correct.

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But I found scum by flipping my shit. You should sheep my Farside vote.

Lying to people makes me scum?
Fascinating
How do you react when people lie/misreprent your actions?

Because all I see is you flipping out on being called a liar while ignore everything else said.

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Dgb is probably scum that's the second sheep with no reasoning.
Juls: if your role is true. Abr is a town read and dgb, tbone and vox read scummy. Don't invite any of those three.
I suggest aegor more to question him and someone shoot hostile for realz. He's bad for this game as a whole.

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Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

Quote where I harped on you for not responding.
Or die for lying.

Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Same with tbone.
Of course tbone hasn't responded which bothers me.

Oh no Farside.....turns out you did exactly what I just accused you of doing!

Agreed with Farside, Hostile Intent is likely VI.

Konowa town, ABR town(?), TBone can wait.

Tbone hasn't even responded. Why can he wait?

BONUS QUOTE

You're SOOOOOO interested in the fact that I didn't respond since last night.

You said twice "tbone isn't responding" with the "it bothers me" the second time. If you're trying to claim that you were concerned over the composition of my wagon, this is perhaps the least amount of concern you could ever muster up.

Now you can say you weren't harping on me and you were trying to get across a different message. But no instead you went into the uber scum defensive "lynch all lairs" instead of I dunno maybe understanding how I interpreted your post?

Konowa, do you think Farside really cares about his reads? You lied, Juls lied, yet he's got his vote on me for interpeting his actions as trying to play the "Bone is avoiding this thread" card. Nope, rather than try to understand what I was interpreting his posts to mean he went straight to a scummy extreme.

I voted you because it appeared to me that you were trying to play the "bone is avoiding this thread" card. But yeah, I voted for you without a reason. Blatant misrepresentation on your part. I mean it was crystal fucking clear the reasoning behind my vote, but that's too inconvenient for your worldview huh?

Let's use facts.
Lied about actions stated.
Exaggerated points using 2 post, one that wasn't about his not posting.
Doesn't awnser the following questions.
Why it's harping. Not responding to point made back and still using the same points after being debunked.

Claims he would look at wagon and did not look at any wagon on anyone.

Aka: he's a lying scum bag.

Dgb is next.

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VOTE: TBone

ABR please hammer thanks

Let's see if we can lynch Juls in 10 posts or less tomorrow.

So bastard games means everyone play as bad as possible I guess.

I'm a non consecutive night neighborizor for two people other than myself. There's a little more but if you lynch me you can kiss my ass so I ain't telling you the rest.

Please please please neighborize me

I was born for this

But I found scum by flipping my shit. You should sheep my Farside vote.

I can help you with your problem.

VOTE: farside

Dgb: vote's tbone, ask for hammer.
Talks about lynching juls, no reason stated.
Believes Konowa and juls automatically without reason (scum tend to believe those they know are town)
And jumps on next bw.

In short: no scum hunting, no reason opportunistic scum

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Vote TBone

because wagon.

@ABR, basically a BG that also works against lynches?

Juls is likely scum. We'll see where this goes.

Vote: Juls

*grumble grumble lack of hammer grumble*

Fakeday kill after Fakedoublevote hammer doesn't lessen my suspicions on juls.

ika/farside, I wanted THAT to be a legit hammer at that point for :reasons:, but putting that aside I think Juls is more likely scum than Tbone.

As for waiting for reactions/continuing with the wagon, Tbone's reactions now will not be helpful since there's been a VC, so I don't have any interest in keeping the wagon on when I have an actual scumread.

Vox scum is jumping on each wagon, no reason, no question. Moves off tbone for no reason. Calls juls scum for no reason.
Sliding by scum buddy with tbone after jumping ship to juls instead of bussing.


You are all welcome.

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Vote: Farside

Why are you harping on me for not responding when less than a day has past between last night and now? This is scum right here.

LOL FARSIDE QUOTES EXACTLY WHAT HE DID AND THEN CALLS ME A LIAR DESPITE QUOTING THE TRUTH TELLING LOLOLOL

Are you just hoping that if you string together the words "T-Bone" and "liar" enough that people will forget what you're talking about and just subconsciously make the association?

Farside is scum. His entire "Bone is a liar" depends on....? I'm not sure what it depends on. I voted Farside because it appeared to me he was trying to play the "Bone is avoiding this thread" card. And then I quoted those posts to show everyone what it appeared to me. Yet I am somehow lying by this?

Here's what really happened to those watching at home. Farside over reacted to my vote and has been backpedaling ever since. Maybe he feels like he got caught for the wrong reasons? I don't know. The fact is Farside is posting like caught scum. He's been scrambling.

Your case above is a lie. You quoted two post, one is bit even fucking close to "harping" or calling you out, which you fucking admitted.
The first quotes is saying hey tbone hasn't respond that concerning.
You are saying I'm accusing you of avoiding the fucking thread which is a lie.
Those words are not implied at all by anyone.
You on the other hand ignored everything said in thread and preached a scum read on false fucking reasoning and continue to avoid questions.

But sure have fun explain why you never answered my questions to you and flew shit after I called you a liar.
Explain that day 2.

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I actually lean town on Tbone over the past few pages.

@konowa why did you think HIs reaction was town?

His "fuck it" reaction came across very genuine and very apathetic towards gamestate as a whole.

I'm curious why you think t-bone comment is truthful.He's whole reason for voting was misrepresenting 2 post. Unless you can explain how it is correct.

It's interpretation. I could see why he would think you were harping on him for not posting within 24 hours, or whatever the timeframe was.

farside, I think you are confusing playstyle with scum.

Harping is not one post.
I asked what he defines harping as because the word itself pisses me off. Not his fucking vote.
Harping is nagging. My husbands uses the term and it's a personal peeve of mine that is close to throwing shit in my face.

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ika, why are you convinced that the Juls/T-Bone and farside/T-Bone interactions were not town v. town?

Yea.


Juls: I'm serious about who to neighborizor for a town win by the way.

I'm just going to keep changing votes.

Vote: dgb

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Agreed with Farside, Hostile Intent is likely VI.

Konowa town, ABR town(?), TBone can wait.

Tbone hasn't even responded. Why can he wait?

I didn't notice the time in between post.
It maybe his wording but he seems to act it's scum for sure without resizing his own behavior,
How do people say x is scummy and do that x act and not see it is beyond my understanding.

Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Same with tbone.
Of course tbone hasn't responded which bothers me.

I could see this as "harping". Less than an hour passes between these two posts.

The fact that you readily admitted that it's a personal pet peeve of yours as well, I believe might be clouding your judgment too.

ika, why are you convinced that the Juls/T-Bone and farside/T-Bone interactions were not town v. town?

doesnt feel right, call it guts but somethign feels off, and with there being daychats anything is really possible then

and watching farside just paint a scumcase on everyone and then going after DBG (who i have town on) is a low blow.

if farside flips scum im willing to look at juls more closely as scum

juls already has stuff against her:
-my role cant be scum
*hint: its basterdized game anytihng can happen
-hidden ability
*whats to sop scums from just killing you?
-uses role to jusify being town
*says just about every scum

get farside to l-1 so i can hammer. im getting tired already....

How do you know scum have day chat? And why is one player vote vs another make one scum and the other town.
No gut doesn't work as a response to the case I made on dgb

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This response was to Konowa:

I didn't notice the time in between post.
It maybe his wording but he seems to act it's scum for sure without resizing his own behavior,
How do people say x is scummy and do that x act and not see it is beyond my understanding.

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7. Scum have daytalk.

Ah. Didn't read the rules

Why is farside scum, ika?

Hostile, is that about farside? I'm pretty sure she is Town. What do you make of her reaction in #227?

Your read is bad and you should feel bad.

She's bitching in 227. What's new?

But for seriously, it feels forced/contrived.

Did you notice she's kicking it up a notch now that there's a wagon on her?

I don't think that's a coincidence.

I kicked it up before the wagon or do you own an ignore post button I'm unaware of?

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Plus I'm off work today so yah for spamming!

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Dgb: should explain how my reaction is scummy and so should tbone given my play in fortnight.

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Plus I'm off work today so yah for spamming!

I'm talking about you singling out reads. That didn't happen until after my vote, which you immediately discredited .

I found you a vi way before your vote on me..so.

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Dgb: should explain how my reaction is scummy and so should tbone given my play in fortnight.

You are voting me.

Therefore you think I'm scum.

Yet you seem disappointed that I'm not working my ass off meta'ing your finished games trying to elucidate the mystery of your alignment. If I'm scum, why are you asking me to do homework to declare you town, LOL? You're contradicting yourself.

I didn't say your reaction was scummy. I voted you for no reason. Literally. Voted you. For no reason.

Nice dodge.
I asked you about a specific game we were in where I reacted to your comments to me and why my reaction is scummy.
So instead of answering you used meta is crap and asking you to do work.

You obviously aren't trying to figure anyone's alignment or scum hunt.

Thanks for confirming that.

[farside22]

hey, farside, same question: are you scum?

No.
Do you think that question will ever catch scum?
Dgb is scum. Vox is a good one too.

[farside22]

Can I honestly chalk up your reaction to being sore over the words I chose to use and not the context in which they were used? Yes, no?

Yes.

[farside22]

ika, why are you convinced that the Juls/T-Bone and farside/T-Bone interactions were not town v. town?

doesnt feel right, call it guts but somethign feels off, and with there being daychats anything is really possible then

and watching farside just paint a scumcase on everyone and then going after DBG (who i have town on) is a low blow.

if farside flips scum im willing to look at juls more closely as scum

juls already has stuff against her:
-my role cant be scum
*hint: its basterdized game anytihng can happen
-hidden ability
*whats to sop scums from just killing you?
-uses role to jusify being town
*says just about every scum

get farside to l-1 so i can hammer. im getting tired already....

Can you explain why 3 players is making a case on everyone?
Why dgb, who want to rush lynches, not scum hunt or ask questions and believes players have an ability without question is town. No I don't go with gut based on her...what 5 or 6 post that offers nothing.
Also why is my flip dependent on juls?

[farside22]

UT town, why?

Because he was pushing for the hammer. The only way I could read him as scum is if I thought you were scum and he was bussing. Otherwise, it's a major risk to push a hammer for a town flip.

Meh. I think it's null. I'm more curious why UT is still voting tbone at this point. The comments he's made towards tbone don't read as a player that see's him scummy.

Why the town read on dgb?

HI wreaks of scum, I would really like more votes on him.

Pedit:DDD?

Still think HI is a VI.
I think vox, dgb and ika should be pressured to explain more then they have.
Can I say the bulge not being around bothers me currently? Or is that harping?


I have no clue what crack abr is on.

[farside22]

Quit harping me, farside

[farside22]

@vox

Agreed with Farside, Hostile Intent is likely VI.

Konowa town, ABR town(?), TBone can wait.

I may have assumed based on your vote and comment above that you had some suspicion of tbone.
Why did you say tbone can wait?

I'm not sure other the role claim why you unvoted juls, it reads as though you are still suspicious of her. If not her, where do you stand with scum reads thus far?

[farside22]

I forget what colors on zoraster's vote counts mean. Can someone remind me? Something about moving votes?

Nothing.

@t-bone: why did you note juls vote on you over others?

cause he's scum

kill kill kill

cause he's scum

kill kill kill

Why do you assume I am town?

Context. I asked the question because I assumed UT was saying that T-bone voted me over all others because he was scum. That's why I asked why he assumed I was town.

ut never did respond to the question. Did it become less important?

[farside22]

Mostly gut on DGB based on the past few games. HI being a VI does not and should not exclude him from being voted.

Can you please link and explain the games in question as to why this reads town dgb reasoning?

[farside22]

Blah.
Don't expectant insight from me tonight.

[farside22]

I'm in a pretty bad spot, lost my job yesterday.
I'll be taking a few days to sort stuff out.

Mod: V/la till Tuesday

[farside22]

his unprompted claim. theres 0 scum motivation behind it.

also considering the fact based off what i am it would fit perfectly

What claim?

I don't see Konowa scum.
Juls seems off. Usually she talks more and puts thoights more in a game.

Vote:juls

[farside22]

So bastard games means everyone play as bad as possible I guess.

I'm a non consecutive night neighborizor for two people other than myself. There's a little more but if you lynch me you can kiss my ass so I ain't telling you the rest.

Nobody even cares how fast this wagon grew on ABSOLUTELY nothing.

I'm trying not to OMGUS ika but he is rubbing me wrong. I recognize that this could be a direct reflection of his failure to see that I'm town.

See...tomorrow...is the day after today...if the scum doesn't want the town to know, then

you

they will have to kill me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ika

Just pointing out her first response to when a wagon grew.

The last 3 is calling out ika for calling her scum, which is all she says for scum reading him and as soon as the wagon grows, juls jumps on it.

[farside22]

smh.

Targetted T-Bone last night. We can't lynch him today.

Why t-bone?

Also does someone in this game hate me?

Vote: juls

[farside22]

because he wouldnt get NK'd

Dude.

I thought you were claiming some investigative role.

[farside22]

I neighborized farside and Hostile Intent. Anyone want to guess what the other part of my role is?

No.
why?

[farside22]

Are you going to confirm?

I want to know why you target myself and HI.

That "neighborizor" ability is not cut and dry.

Then I want you to explain why you jumped on a quick bw after bitching about wagons.

[farside22]

I made farside and HI lovers. I decided to use my power as a double vig. They don't know they are lovers however.

If you lynch me, know that the neighbors/lovers will expire at the end of night 2. I didn't neighborize abr/DGB because I think they are town.

VOTE: HOstile

P-edit: because ika was threatening to self hammer which is antitown.

Anti-townis not scummy.

Well juls lied. We know we lovers.
So basically you put 2 players together one as omgus as you can get and for reasons you don't explain still think HI is scum.

Vote confirmed.

[farside22]

Town: ABR, DGB, Tbone, UT
Scum: HI, ika, Bulge, AV
Need to read again cause lots of words: farside
Null: everyone else

This was juls scum list and the case juls never responded to is 377

So bulge gets to lurk per juls and she has no reasons, like she did in oldie mafia, event mafia and ladies night on why she scum reads anyone.

[farside22]

And I have explained why I think HI is scum. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I want you or HI lynched as I think one or both will be scum. If mafia doesn't kill one in the night you can guarantee 1 or more are scum. Play it how you choose. I can't neighborize again until night 3 so if you want to lynch me I am fine with that. I just wanted to be able to give some amount of information. My job is done as far as I can see.

Your reason was a bunch of quotes and life moved on.
So I had attention. You have no opinion other to say scum.
Fascinating.
Juls has no stated reason but hey let me put a player that gets night killed by scum the games I have been in by night 3 (depending on the game) is a threat to the scum team as town and say lynch her for no reason, that most stopped talking about.
Please let's ignore the big fat elephant of no fucking reasons and bitching about quick lynching from juls, only note she opportunistic jumped on 2 bw and wants to lynch 2 players for no reason noted.

[farside22]

Oh and for the record HI and I don't know each other's alignment.
We were forced together. If juls gets her plan of lynching 2 people for no reason, and I know I'm town people need to know my scum list include buldge and juls since juls decided not to place a player that has done nothing this game and she was scum reading with HI.

[farside22]

Sure.
I'll pay someone money to show me the case juls made on me.

Go on, I'll wait.

[farside22]

People who have read why I chose my targets and who aren't named hostile or farside and are now voting me need to explain their vote. Because I have given a valid reason. Does anyone in their right mind think scum would be given the ability to make two people lovers?

I was a scum in a game that had no kill ability and forced to make players IC.
So.....yes.

If I was scum and could make 2 people lovers that would be broken because I could then just kill them in the night.

P-edit: if I were scum I would have totally chose to very town people, not two very scummy people

People would have asked why to, don't be dumb.

Using my ability like a vig shot is NOT anti-town.

I'd be willing to vote UT tomorrow for being blatantly wrong.

You picked 2 people, one you don't even have a fucking scum read on and say lets lynch them.
Please tell me the town quality of your thinking.

[farside22]

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

Day or night ability?

[farside22]

Not that I am aware of. They are lovers but it will expire after one day/night.

Also pointing to this from juls and looking at dgb again.

[farside22]

Farside, I am going to respectfully ask you one more time to tone it down. I don't appreciate you calling me dumb or a bitch. I have always been respectful to you and I would ask that you do the same.

I have already explained why I chose you and based on the way you are acting I am more comfortable now that you are scum.

You haven't explained why I'm scum.
Please quote your case.

Hey guess what not scum and you no case.
If your calling the crap post about others talking about me as a case that is not a case.
You should know better

[farside22]

Farside, I am going to respectfully ask you one more time to tone it down. I don't appreciate you calling me dumb or a bitch. I have always been respectful to you and I would ask that you do the same.

I have already explained why I chose you and based on the way you are acting I am more comfortable now that you are scum.

Also I say bitching.= complaining/harping.
Second I said don't be dumb=meaning your comment about choosing 2 town would be dumb.

[farside22]

Sure.
I'll pay someone money to show me the case juls made on me.

Go on, I'll wait.

I already said I added you because several people were interested in lynching you yesterday. I still think HI is most likely to be scum and you are null to me.

Like I said, lynch me if you want. If they both live in the night, lynch them both in whatever order you wish. If they die and both flip town then I made a mistake which I will have to live with but it's no different than misvigging. If you lynch one and one or both are scum I'm definitely dying in the night.

Juls whole point.

Yup no case.
Stop calling me a liar juls.
You know I will search for the truth

[farside22]

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

Day or night ability?

[farside22]

I chose you for that reason. I am not presenting a case on you. Repeating it over and over does not change what I have said. You are grandstanding as if that makes me scum, it does not. If you are town, you are just trying to lynch me because I chose you for something I am treating as a vig shot, or you are scum trying to deflect.

P-edit: when did I call you a liar? Also, you don't like people to say you are harping/bitching so why do it to someone else?

That is not a reason that anyone should buy.
It doesn't expkain why you think the case points are valid. It makes others coppaple when I flip town and you can blame others.
It's the equivalent of a brain fart and people who lynch anyone with that type of mentality should stop playing mafia unless they are scum.

Oh wait I think you are for wanting to lunch two people in one shot and me knowing I'm town. Pfft

[farside22]

Lunch=lynch

[farside22]

I chose you for that reason. I am not presenting a case on you. Repeating it over and over does not change what I have said. You are grandstanding as if that makes me scum, it does not. If you are town, you are just trying to lynch me because I chose you for something I am treating as a vig shot, or you are scum trying to deflect.

P-edit: when did I call you a liar? Also, you don't like people to say you are harping/bitching so why do it to someone else?

It sure as shit didn't fucking bother you when people said it to me and apparently you found my behavior scummy based on the pissy comment I destest so why don't you explain why I should call you out for it?
It shouldn't bother you as town or something? Please explain why I'm scum or die.

[farside22]

I am wanting to lynch 2 people in one shot. I don't believe I am trying to hide that.

For next to no reason.
Thank you for confirming that as well.

[farside22]

Not answering any more questions from scum with no case.

Still wondering about this issue.

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

Not that I am aware of. They are lovers but it will expire after one day/night.

Also pointing to this from juls and looking at dgb again.

[farside22]

Wait, farside what exactly are you saying in #448.

I think dgb and juls are scum together.
Juls said the ability ended after 1 night a dgb claimed unlover ability but it seems very unuseful if the ability.

[farside22]

Is real.

Sorry interrupted during posting.

[farside22]

People mentioned day 1
Dgb
Konowa
Hostile
Farside
Juls

Excuses why juls picked who she did = bs

[farside22]

So you think DGB is lying? The role makes sense as Town if you assume Juls is Scum? I'm confused as to the thought process here.

I think dgb is lying about her ability and both are scum together.
If true, she should use her ability.

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

provided you're town, that makes juls likely scum....

VOTE: hiplop

Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.

I see no reason whatsoever to lynch Juls.

DBG; do not use your ability.

This post makes no sense.
You think juls role is town, dgb is scum and you vote hiplop.
Why should dbg not use her ability?

[farside22]

I vote for un-loverize.

[farside22]

Also juls no case and shoving her ability as a reason to town read her is scummy.
Refusal to explain scum reads and saying it was based on those people suspected is scummy.
Especially consider most of the people were not scum reading me or HI.

[farside22]

Aegor: explain how this whole game from juls reads town, considering her and how she makes cases.

[farside22]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

Yea, I don't give 2 figs that juls role did what it did. She is scum not explaining fuck all.

[farside22]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way

I get that. I'm not discrediting that. But I'm also seeing a lot of "it doesn't make sense for {town/scum} to have that role" which is not valid.

I can't remember who said that.
I just know it's not my case.

[farside22]

I chose you for that reason. I am not presenting a case on you. Repeating it over and over does not change what I have said. You are grandstanding as if that makes me scum, it does not. If you are town, you are just trying to lynch me because I chose you for something I am treating as a vig shot, or you are scum trying to deflect.

P-edit: when did I call you a liar? Also, you don't like people to say you are harping/bitching so why do it to someone else?

You putting a player you so not state as a scum read on makes no sense as town and the fact you stated no scum read on me repeatedly and still wish to lynch me or HI confirms to me you are scum with scum motives.

If true, she should use her ability.

But what if I think you're scum?

I'd say that was omgus and confirms your probably lying about your ability.

[farside22]

So=do

[farside22]

So far the two i called scum keeping calling me scum for no reason.
Wow.

Aegor: I asked you a question about juls, still waiting for a response.

[farside22]

I made farside and HI lovers. I decided to use my power as a double vig. They don't know they are lovers however.

If you lynch me, know that the neighbors/lovers will expire at the end of night 2. I didn't neighborize abr/DGB because I think they are town.

VOTE: HOstile

P-edit: because ika was threatening to self hammer which is antitown.

I'm sorry, I just reread. They do know they are lovers they just don't know that it ends after the night.

Actually I added you because you got the second most attention yesterday. One for me, one for the town. My role said you wouldn't know you are lovers so I will ask Zor about that.

And I have explained why I think HI is scum. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I want you or HI lynched as I think one or both will be scum. If mafia doesn't kill one in the night you can guarantee 1 or more are scum. Play it how you choose. I can't neighborize again until night 3 so if you want to lynch me I am fine with that. I just wanted to be able to give some amount of information. My job is done as far as I can see.

People who have read why I chose my targets and who aren't named hostile or farside and are now voting me need to explain their vote. Because I have given a valid reason. Does anyone in their right mind think scum would be given the ability to make two people lovers?

If I was scum and could make 2 people lovers that would be broken because I could then just kill them in the night.

P-edit: if I were scum I would have totally chose to very town people, not two very scummy people

Why does scum-Juls claim neighbor/loverizor?
When I flip town, who is scum?
If I am scum, who is my partner?
If this claim is so "dumb", who would allow me to claim it?

Also juls no case and shoving her ability as a reason to town read her is scummy.
Refusal to explain scum reads and saying it was based on those people suspected is scummy.
Especially consider most of the people were not scum reading me or HI.

If you fail so hard at reading then I am not going to explain it to you anymore. The fact that you are misrepresenting me is another reason you are scum.

I VOTE

NOT

TO UN-LOVERIZE HI and Farside....Let them hang!!!

Juls can explain based on the above how I misreprensted her in any way.
She used "those people suspected"as scum, one which a case was weak and another she continues to refuse to explain why anything said against me was scummy.
Then when pushed by others uses her role as a how or why would scum have X ability bs.

[farside22]

Aegor: explain how this whole game from juls reads town, considering her and how she makes cases.

My default is town because that is the statistical probability, and Juls has done nothing to make me question that default.

This^
Her picks, her lack of case....how about you explain what you see as town and why.

[farside22]

Ways that you represent me:
1) shoving my ability as why I am town.
2) that I am refusing to explain why I chose you

1) you did see quotes
2) Refusing to explain your scum read.

[farside22]

Aegor: I also asked you why you think dgb should not use her ability.


Konowa: did what I posted about dgb's claim and juls claim make sense?
Juls claims her lover thing ends after 1 day/nigh phase and dgb claims she can unloverize players.
What is the point of dgb's ability if juls ends after one day.

[farside22]

What is the point of dgb's ability if juls ends after one day.

It's pretty obvious to me that my power exists to immediately remove Juls' action, and that players would be expected to announce their loverizing.

YOU ARE SO SCUM

Why else would you try to paint both Juls and I as scum????????????????????????????????

Says the player not wanting to "confirm" her ability and if you thought HI was town you could, if claim was fact, stop him from being tied to me.
So your reason for wanting to lynch someone you claim a town read on but you claim to be able to prevent it from happening is what now?

[farside22]

Oh and if dgb thought her "power" was to stop juls, why is juls not scum in her view.

Someone should ask dgb to explain that, since she hasn't explain shit this game either

[farside22]

The other reasons I mentioned is how she is reacting to my claim and how she is refusing to answer my questions. I didn't go back and check to confirm the order in which I have had these suspicions so don't even start saying the chicken before the egg crap. My 3 reasons for thinking farside is acting like scum are:
1) her over-the-top reactions to me loverizing her
2) her misrepresenting the reason I chose her
3) her unwillingness to answer direct questions from me because she thinks I am scum.

I still would like people who are voting me to answer my questions. Once you lynch me you will know that saying "partner" wasn't a slip so answer the questions now while I am alive and can give my opinion of your answers.

Juls is scum because:

1)Let's see I made a case she never responded to.
2)I asked you questions she never anwsered or explained.
3) says it was for the town despite the wagon that dissipated over time
4) says no one cares about the quick wagons then proceeds to quick lunch Kia
5) I've ask her for her reasons why she agreed or found the reaction scummy and she doesn't respond.
6) I showed quotes of her asking why her role would be given to scum, hence my comment about her throwing her role to town read her.

Let me know if I missed anything.

[farside22]

Also, the fourth question is important as well. Farside is trying to link DGB and I. Would DGB let me make that claim? I said my second part of my role makes me town. Wouldn't I come up with something better than that? I'm the inevitable lynch, why wouldn't I claim some sort of cop ability with my neighborization to potentially out a cop or get two people lynched at once sacrificing myself. I am obviously extremely biased here but I think scum-Juls comes up with a better claim. Go read the only game I have played as scum since my return (Such Unusual Pretermen...Too) Meta me. I obsess over my claim as scum. I realize self-meta is self-meta but I don't know what else to say. My main goal is to get people to talk here so at least you guys have info when I die but nobody is willing to engage.

Wifom alert
Wisdom alert.

Players linked as lovers and some fake claim that makes no sense sounds like scum?
Oh that's right all you have done is wifom or why would I do X as scum instead of giving views.

[farside22]

Okay I think I get that you are saying that you think that she is scum SINCE you Loverized her. But you have yet to explain why the strategy that you employed makes more sense than putting YOUR two scumreads together?

Because HI was the only person I had a strong scum read on. Farside flipping to me before the end of day one also didn't help her cause. I thought if I put farside with HI I could get the person I wanted out and the town could get who they wanted. Trying to convince the town to lynch HI and someone else may have been more difficult since I was the only one really supporting an HI lynch. So it was basically to entice town to lynch the way I wanted to.

This post tells me she isn't reading the game at all.

[farside22]

Oh and she wants to lunch a player that made a case instead of explaining why she quick wagoners a player after complaining about a qw.

[farside22]

Farside, let me talk slow so you understand.....

I.........am.........fine.......with........my.........lynch

You can quit your condescending crap. Lynch me, I don't give a flying fuck.

But just because I actually am town and don't act like a child when someone votes me, let me answer your case. 1 and 2 are the pit calling the kettle black since you have outright refused to answer me because I am "scum". But I have answered you repeatedly. You are starting to sound like Wake. Point out the points that you say I have not responded to and I will do so (probably again). Your 3rd point is not logical because your wagon only died as people voted for ika. So you were the last leading wagon who is still alive. Your 4th point has already been addressed by me. He threatened to self hammer, I voted him cause a) that's anti-town and b) to see if he was serious. The way he was acting I expected him to flip jester or something. If his flip is legit he is dumb for self-hammering. I have asks always will vote for people who self-vote outside of joking in RVS or threaten to. Also, my wagon was a quick wagon on me which I know to be town so your arguing this as a point is dumb. I have no idea what you are saying in point 5. And your point 6 I really don't get either but I think you are saying that I said my role would be given to town not scum which I did. My point of contention with you was that you were saying I was "throwing it in peoples faces" which I was not.


VOTE: Farside

The only questioned you asked me was my thought on HI. If there was other questions let me know.
If you read the game I responded to that day 1.
Oh and what I'm doing is called making a case on a player I think is scum. I understand it is a novel concept.
Wait no it is something I see you do in other games but not here.

What points made by players made a case valid. That's 4 times I've asked you that by the way.

Why would you join a quick lunch just for anti town behavior instead of scum hunting?
Honey did you even look at the questions you asked?

Why does scum-Juls claim neighbor/loverizor?
When I flip town, who is scum?
If I am scum, who is my partner?
If this claim is so "dumb", who would allow me to claim it?

People voting me need to answer these questions.

1) is what I say you are doing
2) I think your scum so I don't expect to think about this but on the 5% chance you checked your brain out and did something anti-town for the reasons you claim I would look at hiplop and bulge and abr.
3) I anwsered
3) is wifom that gives no fucking alignment info and is useless.

[farside22]

What points made by players made a case valid. That's 4 times I've asked you that by the way.

If this is what you are saying I haven't responded to then I know why. I have NO idea what you are asking here.

Why do you keep saying that I quick lynched him? I voted him for threatening to self-hammer. I have voted other people who have self voted before. See Faster Than Light Mafia where I did the same thing. I was town. Last I checked there were 5 other people on that wagon beside me and ika. I've already said this but since you can't be bothered to actually read my words you haven't seen it.

Also claiming I'm not making a case on someone is a lie as well. I have been explaining why I think you are scum. I explained why I felt HI was scummy on day one. I explained why I voted ika and the rest of this game has been monopolized by people suspecting me. How often do you see the prime suspect getting the opportunity to do much more than respond to suspicion? I'm explaining why I am town and responding to people as they make comments and saying why I think they are scum/town. It's not very easy to write a long winded case on someone when everyone suspects you. It's called having to be on the defensive rather than the offensive. It's not a position I find myself in very often but I am trying to improve my game for when I am. So thanks for giving me the opportunity.

So you didn't read the case presented against me.
That is exactly how your coming across.
The I did this because people found farside suspect, but did who cares what the case was.
Where is the town mentality there. Again that leaves you not coppable.
Oh and the idc attitude and let people lynch me was words ika used you stAted as anti town.

Oh and if dgb thought her "power" was to stop juls, why is juls not scum in her view.

And why do you think I'm scum with Juls then? LOL you make no sense as usual.

You are doing nothing that says town.


But let's ask others.

Konowa, t-bone= does it make sense for dbg to not use her "role"if she thinks HI is town but wants to see me hang?

[farside22]

Actually I added you because you got the second most attention yesterday. One for me, one for the town. My role said you wouldn't know you are lovers so I will ask Zor about that.

What points made by players made a case valid. That's 4 times I've asked you that by the way.

If this is what you are saying I haven't responded to then I know why. I have NO idea what you are asking here.

Why do you keep saying that I quick lynched him? I voted him for threatening to self-hammer. I have voted other people who have self voted before. See Faster Than Light Mafia where I did the same thing. I was town. Last I checked there were 5 other people on that wagon beside me and ika. I've already said this but since you can't be bothered to actually read my words you haven't seen it.

Also claiming I'm not making a case on someone is a lie as well. I have been explaining why I think you are scum. I explained why I felt HI was scummy on day one. I explained why I voted ika and the rest of this game has been monopolized by people suspecting me. How often do you see the prime suspect getting the opportunity to do much more than respond to suspicion? I'm explaining why I am town and responding to people as they make comments and saying why I think they are scum/town. It's not very easy to write a long winded case on someone when everyone suspects you. It's called having to be on the defensive rather than the offensive. It's not a position I find myself in very often but I am trying to improve my game for when I am. So thanks for giving me the opportunity.

[farside22]

Basically finds player with the most attention and states no opinion why the case is valid or scum worthy.
That's juls in a nutshell

[farside22]

Oh and because juls clearly isn't reading my post.
My vote on her had nothing to do with her claim, but her shitty reasoning of her targets.

[farside22]

And all I did was put him at L-1. He made the choice to self-hammer.

Since he said he would.
Really had he not self hammered, then what.
Walk me done the lane of juls thought process.
Also with faster then lightening the player that was anti town, what alignment did they flip?

[farside22]

And all I did was put him at L-1. He made the choice to self-hammer.

Since he said he would.
Really had he not self hammered, then what.
Walk me done the lane of juls thought process.
Also with faster then lightening the player that was anti town, what alignment did they flip?

I'm not a person who cares if a jester wins as long as the game continues. Part of me thought he was a jester. Part of me thought he was scum grandstanding to look like pissed-off town. Not once did I think he was town being an idiot but I forgot that this is what mafiascum has turned into.

The anti-town player ended up being town in FTL but I know you already know that which makes me almost 100% sure you are scum now trying to trap me. His alignment is irrelevant because anti-town play is anti-town play. I already suspected ika so there is no reason for me not to vote a player that I already suspected and who was grandstanding that he would self vote. I stand by my vote, I would do it again right now if someone else started threatening to self vote.

A jester wins by being lynched.
Why would you help a jester win? Did you ask the mod if the game would continue if there was a jester.

As for the second. Why would someone anti -town in a game make you think ika is not scum in this game? Here is what you are not explaining at all. What is the scum motivation, if a player does something in one game, why think scum for another game?



Now let's discuss you "vig comment and reasoning.
I submit event mafia where juls showed her views and did not go with the majority and also in the game had cases, reasoning, disagreeing with cases.
This is one of many game juls behaves this way, it is also why I've asked juls her view on the points against me that she has refused to acknowledge or respond to on why she believes the majority, when she has disagreed with others before.

[farside22]

I still want to know if farside and HI are utilizing their neighborhood and if they have any thoughts on the other.

This thread also needs more ABR.

Why don't you explain why you think this response tells you anything alignment indicative?
You've stated I'm scum and HI is scum, why does that question have value if your mind is they are both scum?

I'm still unclear why you stated this:

And I have explained why I think HI is scum. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I want you or HI lynched as I think one or both will be scum. If mafia doesn't kill one in the night you can guarantee 1 or more are scum. Play it how you choose. I can't neighborize again until night 3 so if you want to lynch me I am fine with that. I just wanted to be able to give some amount of information. My job is done as far as I can see.

If all you thought was this:

Actually I added you because you got the second most attention yesterday. One for me, one for the town. My role said you wouldn't know you are lovers so I will ask Zor about that.

And this:

I made farside and HI lovers. I decided to use my power as a double vig. They don't know they are lovers however.
.

[farside22]

I don't care if a jester wins. I have faith in zoraster as a mod not to end a game on a jester win..

As for self-voting. I just answered that so why are you asking again? Because you are trying to fabricate a case. By your definition, someone can now threaten to self vote or self vote and I will always automatically read them as town because one town person did it. That's just stupid.

You also keep saying I refuse to acknowledge or answer you yet that's all I have been doing. I asked you to tell me what I haven't responded to and you basically said several words in a row that weren't coherent. I said I didn't know what you were asking and you say I refuse to answer you. A logical person would reword/rephrase the question so that it makes sense. When you do that, I will respond. You, on the other hand, have outright refused to answer any questions I have asked you about your neighborhood with HI. By your own definition, you are scum.

So you will continue to do something anti-town to people who flipped town? In trying to understand the town motivation for that.

[farside22]

I don't care if a jester wins. I have faith in zoraster as a mod not to end a game on a jester win..

As for self-voting. I just answered that so why are you asking again? Because you are trying to fabricate a case. By your definition, someone can now threaten to self vote or self vote and I will always automatically read them as town because one town person did it. That's just stupid.

You also keep saying I refuse to acknowledge or answer you yet that's all I have been doing. I asked you to tell me what I haven't responded to and you basically said several words in a row that weren't coherent. I said I didn't know what you were asking and you say I refuse to answer you. A logical person would reword/rephrase the question so that it makes sense. When you do that, I will respond. You, on the other hand, have outright refused to answer any questions I have asked you about your neighborhood with HI. By your own definition, you are scum.

You asked once and I made it clear many post ago what you are not doing and what you have done.
Many post.

[farside22]

Someone can ask juls, how this post is unclear

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6242559

Then ask if she could explain the so called scum read she had pre-argument, that was based on what she read day 1 that made her think the player with the second most attention is scum.

Especially Since she continues to use the, I'm not making a case and don't have a case but think farside is scum, comments in the game.

[farside22]

Why don't you explain why you think this response tells you anything alignment indicative?
You've stated I'm scum and HI is scum, why does that question have value if your mind is they are both scum?

You've been around way too long to ask a question like this. Mafia isn't about certainty. I am reading you as scum but there is a chance I am wrong. I am reading HI as scum (or I was day one, haven't got jack shit out of him today) but I may be wrong. The information isn't just for me. As town, both of you should be willing to provide your read on the other.

Okay.
We've made 23 post, most is me ranting about people that can't/don't make cases and how sick and tired I am of people doing it.
I asked HI what he thought about alignment of the person who tied us together.
Then before you acknowledge, I asked him if you had a scum read on him.
His response was more along bastardized game anything is possible.
HI claimed his role, not sure why he did that.
I mentioned the bulge as scum and he said bulge wasn't around. I pointed out he was and HI mentioned an alt buldge has on ms.
I asked HI scum reads and he says he doesn't know how to read people.
Basically he reads newb.

[farside22]

Hey farside

Are you and Juls cross bus'ing?

This is beginning to look like a plausible scenario.

Nope.

[farside22]

Juls is scum, you should vote her.

[farside22]

farside, forgive me for factoring in your scumhunting track record in our mutual games. There is no way I am voting Juls. As far as I can see, she is the most rational player in the game.

Because she gave such a strong case?

*looks* nope
Because she picked 2 players no one, but dgb wanted to lynch.
*Look*
Yup
That = rational. Nope.
Track record. You want track record. Okay. Shit reads in Austin powers mafia.
In Zor's last game, first scum read was dgb, then t-bone. T-bone was scum.
Large normal game. Scum reads before I was dead night 1 was clusk and second was BP. Bp was scum.
How's your scum track record?

This 1v1 is hard to keep up with and I feel like it will all have been for nought if one of them doesn't end up flipped. Thoughts?

I'm more game for a Juls lynch as it stands.

you answered your own question

I've never played with you before, so is it normal for you to just post a lot of noise and no real content?

He usually post more noise and gets defensive when pushed. Scum reading is not his best quality.

[farside22]

I'm fine with choosing me or farside. Obviously you know where I stand.

Oh this is proof juls gives fuck all about anyone's response to her questions.
Still waiting for her to respond why she thought the case day 1 was good to say you believe HI and I were both scum.

[farside22]

Scum reading is not his best quality.

Not sure what you mean by this

If you mean I'm bad at scumhunting, this is true. And it's also kinda boring to me.

If you mean I get false scum-reads on me in every single game I play, this is also true. I should just limit myself to scum games

The first.

[farside22]

Hey Wake 2.0. Just because you didn't like my answer does not mean I did not answer you.

That does not explain shit.
It's a cop out of a response.
It's i have no case and give two shit response.
Let me know how that response is not any of the above.

[farside22]

So looking at the wagon that juls doesn't look at.

Hiplop's vote and reasoning looks the worst of the bunch.
ABR, needs to explain that Kowana scum read. Sitting there makes no sense.
Dgb: should explain why she wants to lynch a town read, if she can use the power she claimed, she could save hostile from being lynched. This still makes no sense.
Aegor: seems to be ignoring questions (null from aegor based on experience) he needs to explain more in this game reads wise and he typically does.

[farside22]

Dgb: should explain why she wants to lynch a town read, if she can use the power she claimed, she could save hostile from being lynched. This still makes no sense.

I'd like to see Hostile Intent post more. He's in hiding.

Have you played with him before?
If so is he active?

[farside22]

So when I flip town, are you guys lynching farside? What are you learning from my town flip exactly?

What did you learn from ika's flip? He had you and Konowa as scum is there any reason you or anyone shouldn't consider a dead townie?
Would you think when I flip town, people should listen to me? Obviously you didn't care about what a dead townie thought so why do you ask?


Oh and for fun.

Mod: if you had a jester in the game, would they win and the town lose like the wiki has or would the game continue.

[farside22]

Also curious juls why you think people would listen to a player that doesn't make a case.
You called me a child, but all I've asked is for a reason, which you fail to give.
How is that going to convince anyone?

[farside22]

I have said why I think you are scum. You keep spouting lies that I haven't. But I'm done arguing with you. I'm bored of it and so is everyone else.

I didn't say you made a case.
That's the whole point .

[farside22]

The other reasons I mentioned is how she is reacting to my claim and how she is refusing to answer my questions. I didn't go back and check to confirm the order in which I have had these suspicions so don't even start saying the chicken before the egg crap. My 3 reasons for thinking farside is acting like scum are:
1) her over-the-top reactions to me loverizing her
2) her misrepresenting the reason I chose her
3) her unwillingness to answer direct questions from me because she thinks I am scum.

I still would like people who are voting me to answer my questions. Once you lynch me you will know that saying "partner" wasn't a slip so answer the questions now while I am alive and can give my opinion of your answers.

I mean if this is what you call a case I responded to it.
1)

The only questioned you asked me was my thought on HI. If there was other questions let me know.
If you read the game I responded to that day 1.
Oh and what I'm doing is called making a case on a player I think is scum. I understand it is a novel concept.
Wait no it is something I see you do in other games but not here.

2) is here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6238848
3) I've done and you proved not to give a shit about the response.

[farside22]

Oh and this was my first reactions to juls claim, I'd love the "over-the-top" reaction comment that does not include me asking for her opinion.

I neighborized farside and Hostile Intent. Anyone want to guess what the other part of my role is?

No.
why?

Are you going to confirm?

I want to know why you target myself and HI.

That "neighborizor" ability is not cut and dry.

Then I want you to explain why you jumped on a quick bw after bitching about wagons.

I made farside and HI lovers. I decided to use my power as a double vig. They don't know they are lovers however.

If you lynch me, know that the neighbors/lovers will expire at the end of night 2. I didn't neighborize abr/DGB because I think they are town.

VOTE: HOstile

P-edit: because ika was threatening to self hammer which is antitown.

Anti-townis not scummy.

Well juls lied. We know we lovers.
So basically you put 2 players together one as omgus as you can get and for reasons you don't explain still think HI is scum.

Vote confirmed.

[farside22]

I'm still trying to get my head back in the game.

Why did you claim they wouldn't know they are lovers?

I really don't like the series of events that have gone on this day phase. From a town point of view, why does linking Farside and HI make sense? Juls, why did that make sense to you? What were you trying to accomplish?

She didn't read the game. Because her reasons she stated make no sense if she did read day 1 at all.

[farside22]

And I have explained why I think HI is scum. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I want you or HI lynched as I think one or both will be scum. If mafia doesn't kill one in the night you can guarantee 1 or more are scum. Play it how you choose. I can't neighborize again until night 3 so if you want to lynch me I am fine with that. I just wanted to be able to give some amount of information. My job is done as far as I can see.

I am wanting to lynch 2 people in one shot. I don't believe I am trying to hide that.

In short. Thinks one or both is scum. Her reason for thinking this is a mystery I solved.
She considered it a trade so she can get HI lynched, but the wagon on me disapated before ika stated.
And she wants to lynch two people, claims questions she asking would make a difference and she has no response to it or care whether HI verifies are answer the question she thought was sooooooo important.

Dgb: why are you lynching a player you claimed a town read on, if you can prevent that person from being tied to me?

I notice dgb continues to ignore this question.

@farside - I never said you didn't respond. You are over the top because you are typing about 10,000 words peer page of crap.

That is about you being scum not about your claim, like you misrepresented and is not scummy.

[farside22]

So when I flip town, are you guys lynching farside? What are you learning from my town flip exactly?

no, but I hope you reflect on how poorly you used your ability

I disagree. There are many ways I could play it. This is the one I chose and I think it was a good choice. If HI and/or farside are scum I hope you reflect on how closed minded you are.

oh, one of them very well could be. I never declared them to both be for-sure town.

and I didn't figure you'd actually learn anything. incompetent people very rarely recognize their own incompetence. I had hope though.

Do you think one is scum?

[farside22]

I'm sure that claim I made on Day 1 and my role is totally scum DGB.

Unvote, vote DGB

Is there a reason you are not explaining your scum read on Konowa?

[farside22]

@ABR:

I'm sure that claim I made on Day 1 and my role is totally scum DGB.

Unvote, vote DGB

Is there a reason you are not explaining your scum read on Konowa?

[farside22]

It'd be nice if people had a case against someone instead of blind votes that are meaningless and do nothing for the game.

[farside22]

What the fuck was ika doing? Who doesn't claim as cop?

When someone says "I'm an emotional player" that is what you get.

No surprise when I say I think dgb is scum. Lots of one liners, calling town on null things, no case on anyone, reads as going through the motions but not involved.
Also juls. I'll leave that as is. Hostile is newb, he seems lost but I don't know. He says he's busy.

Hostile: what does your gut say about anyone in this game?

[farside22]

Farside can't I ever play a game with you and DGB where you aren't calling for her head?

Has she hurt you in the past?

Has she burned you?

Show the town on the doll where she lynched you.

The time I felt her as null she was scum. My issue is how quickly she believes a player's ability. ABR's claim, although no one died, Konowa double voter status. This from someone who thinks scum make up claims. The last time she was quick to believe a claim no questions asked she was scum.

I think there was one time she lynched me as town, but don't quote me.

[farside22]

And what bugs me is with dgb you get this scum kill it mentality. None of it this game at all

[farside22]

Drive by reading, farside seems to be reading DBG for being DGB. I would think that farside would know DGB style by now?

I don't know a lethargic dgb.
You want to link me to a game as such I'd like to see it.

[farside22]

I know it's shocking that I'm not gung ho about yet another game where farside tunnels on me.

Yet I barely poke at you except to point out you aren't looking for scum.
Fascinating you can't move on and still scum hunt.

Like, I'll iso her later but if I decide she's scum, I need to know she's going to be lynched, otherwise she's gonna kill me

I'm town. Some other players will kill you. Maybe farside.

Like why the back and forth feeling's on HI? Why is abr confirm town?

I'm not the only person to ask the second question.

[farside22]

C'mon lurksacks its obviously Juls today. Let's get on with it.

I think ABR is town if he's being honest about his role.

Vox reads town. Aegor reads town. UT is either brilliantscum or town, v wary there.

Pretty null on the rest of you, just not used to you people yet.

I'll start ISO reads soon.

[farside22]

Man, the worst part about kurbio's stories I can't share them out loud with the child around.
Kuribo: your first story implies you read day 1, do you have any views from that?

[farside22]

How does my first story imply that I read day 1? I flat out stated I don't intend to read anything up to my replacing in. I could just stop being a dick and admit that I may do it tomorrow if I'm bored since I dont have a hydra partner in this game to carry me


I did click the handy link in the first post to read the last few posts before ika's lynch, though to see wtf had happened

Ah I read you saw ika hammer himself and thought you read through the day.

Frankly from what I gathered, ika made his wagon analysis pretty useless through blatant anti town behavior. I'd have strung him too.

Meh I see many a player do things like that. For example juls seems to think the majority should find her town or they are scum for not seeing her POV.

[farside22]

Going back and rereading a few things.

Konowa: Can you tell me what happened to the read you were discussing here?

T-Bone, HI, ABR, DGB, farside are Town.
AV is possibly Town.
Aegor's confbias in regards to Juls is bugging me.
Leaves me with hiplop, UT, The Bulge, and Juls.

If there is a Vig, hiplop should be shot.
I think I'm happy with Juls being the lynch Today.

Vote: Juls

Actually.

unvote;

The Aegor thing is bugging me more than it should.

[farside22]

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

provided you're town, that makes juls likely scum....

VOTE: hiplop

Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.

I see no reason whatsoever to lynch Juls.

DBG; do not use your ability.

VOTE: UT

Aegor, why vote HI rather than farside?

I have seen farside tunnel badly as town to vote her purely on that basis.

[farside22]

Sorry hit the wrong button:

Aegor:

Why did you not want DGB to use her "ability"?

You want to explain why you think UT is scum?

[farside22]

But then it makes even less sense to vote HI over farside.

Do you believe dgb has the ability she claimed?
If so, she could sever the cord at anytime and the person with the most votes is lynched.
Why does it make sense to vote one over the other with the ability claimed?

[farside22]

@Farside, thanks for answering for Aegor. I'll get to your questions after this as I don't want to influence Aegor's response;

Aegor: do you think DGB is scum?

Mostly I didn't get the point of your question based on the claim. But hey I get paranoid.

[farside22]

But then it makes even less sense to vote HI over farside.

I confess that I do not follow your train of thought.


Anyway, DGB could go either way at this point; her posts have been like they always are at the beginning of the game. Her role is more interesting. She seemed to want to be neighborized Day 1, and has used both un-loverizer and un-neighborizer to refer to her role. Do you feel strongly about her?

Fair enough.

Vote: aegor

[farside22]

I have one of those weird questions.
If ABR is what he claims, why is no one dead?

[farside22]

Because DBG can use her ability later if need be.

See you never stated this or implied you felt that way.

Yeah, at the time I stated it, especially given that some (e.g. farside) were calling for immediate un-loverization. Why rush anything? My subsequent statements made it clear that I did not mean that DGB should never use her ability.

This either.
Your statement was pretty point blank.

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

provided you're town, that makes juls likely scum....

VOTE: hiplop

Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.

I see no reason whatsoever to lynch Juls.

DBG; do not use your ability

.

You are saying do not use it, when dgb was asking what people thought.

"Used if requested" is exactly right. But until we decide on a lynch, what is the point is jumping the gun?

Well you have juls bad WIFOM saying if we both live one must be scum or we both are town and scum kill us at night in one shot. Tell me the town reason to keep us loverized.

[farside22]

I don't think I picked both town.

HI is prob scum then.

I'm not sure, mostly because of a few things said in the neighborhood.

[farside22]

I'm not sure, mostly because of a few things said in the neighborhood.

Do you vouch for him being town? Yes/No

I'm waiting for a response in our thread to a question I had that was bugging me.

It could be, I don't know.

This post is awful

[farside22]

Why?

Because you have no reads.
You!?!?

[farside22]

I have a list of players I want to lynch which achieves the same purpose.

Who and why?

[farside22]

if it's going to be just "someone" why not Aegor, , AV, bulge, or hiplop?

That does not explain why .

[farside22]

My other posts explains why.

Where?

[farside22]

I'm not really sure. I don't feel like touching Juls/farside. T-Bone should not be lynched. DGB claims she can unlover-ize. There's no interest in Konowa. I have to pick somebody, UT, it just so happens that person is you right now. I'm admittedly not taking the lead here, but I'm not very passionate about this game (is anyone?).

If your talking about this post, all it says is who you won't lynch and not why others you are okay with.

[farside22]

Hello all, think of me as Bulge 2.0

I am going to read through this and post my thoughts as I go along. In the meantime if somebody wants to give me a concise history they are more than welcome to.

I spam a lot in this game, but not on purpose, just mostly because someone's response is not a response in my book.

*cough Juls*

Asking for an opinion from her has been the equivalent of trying to get my son to understand the food that doesn't look good doesn't make it yucky.

That said the highlights are:

Ika was lynched day 1, he stated he would hammer himself and he did and was a vanilla cop.
Juls loverized myself and HI.
DGB claims to be able to unloverize players.
ABR: Claims to be a bodyguard that targets a player and can die even if that player is lynched (correct me if I'm wrong there ABR)
There are currently 3 wagons, Juls, Aegor and UT.

[farside22]

omg please lynch Marky Mark

No.

Someone giving thoughts of the game vs mindless votes.
Why Is mark scum in your view?


On a side note aegor is scum and should be lynched.

[farside22]

I'm now OK with lynching farside.

Because having reasons is scummy.

I'm still liking my Aegor vote. Is he hanging back until we forget about him?

Me too.
Also think scum aegor might be wking juls.
But juls reads scummy for her none reasons.
I'd lynch abr too.
I agree with UT about ABR style this game.

[farside22]

Konowa : what was abr like when he was in a game he shot you?

[farside22]

Marky, you say that Juls and DGB are probably not the same alignment. Surely that strongly suggests that you would want to lynch within them?

Mark says he would lynch juls out of the 3 wagons.

Farside/HI - when you were informed you were lovers, was it done in the text of truth.

It was at the start of the day.
The pm was sent to both of us. And we were aware we did not know the others alignment

[farside22]

it's almost deadline and it's looking like juls isn't going to happen. I'm okay with an aegor lynch although it's not my preference.

unvote vote Aegor

Besides juls, who else are you scum reading.

Just an FYI: hostile responded to my questions. I feel null about him. Something's make sense, but he's only asked me 2 questions. I tried to check into his meta, but got distracted. I was curious to see how active he typical is mostly.

[farside22]

v/la till monday

I know this game has a deadline set for that day. I'll do my best to check in.

[farside22]

UNVOTE: Juls

I'm not really that willing to vote Aegor tbh. Not seeing it.

Why did you unvote?

[farside22]

UNVOTE: Juls

I'm not really that willing to vote Aegor tbh. Not seeing it.

Why did you unvote?

Little over two days left and its a dead wagon, so.

You asked for others to pick a wagon. You also said you would ISO people and give reads.

[farside22]

My role is to swap wincons. That ability is Weak, and is therefore a 1-shot investigative of sorts. I am town-aligned, but my wincon, while pro-town, is not "You when when all threats [etc.]" My wincon is named.

Why did you vote HI if this is true?

[farside22]

I'm assuming I'm not crazy with how I read Aegor's claim there ABR?

VOTE: Konowa

it's almost deadline and it's looking like juls isn't going to happen. I'm okay with an aegor lynch although it's not my preference.

unvote vote Aegor

Several days before deadline?



I mean if you are swapping wincon's and the role you have is pro town why did Aegor vote for HI?
I know HI had his wincon's changed, he mentioned it to me in the chat thread. I thought it was a bit weird when he claimed right away but said he had a null read on me.


Anyway, my claim is that I have a 1-shot ability to swap wincons with someone. But my ability is Weak, so I am basically a 1-shot investigative. I will use my ability tonight because I have not yet fulfilled my wincon and it will be increasingly difficult to do so. My wincon is pro-town.

Remind me of why ABR is conftown?


VOTE: Hostile Intent

[farside22]

Sorry this was my post in the above.

I mean if you are swapping wincon's and the role you have is pro town why did Aegor vote for HI?
I know HI had his wincon's changed, he mentioned it to me in the chat thread. I thought it was a bit weird when he claimed right away but said he had a null read on me.

[farside22]

I have bot been able to target anyone. It is 1-shot and my ability is Night 2+. Was that not contextually clear?

I thought you used the ability on HI.
He said he was a survivor and had to survive end game to win and that he was town day 1.
Are you saying you did not target anyone? If not what is your full win condion?

[farside22]

Not any less suspect than there being a loverizer and an unloverizer.

Its actually literally the same thing.

You think Juls is scum.

[farside22]

Lynch me if you must. Farside and DGB are scum. I would put UT in as a close 3rd. This game has a serious lack of scum hunting. I'm over it.

This is from the player not scum hunting or explaining her reads.

Aegor: I want to understand your town read on juls.
When I think of a case from juls it has quotes, links and views and I see next to nothing like that in this game from her.
Like right now she is complaining about everyone not scum hunting, but day 1 I was scum reading dgb and she was sure dgb was town and now dgb is scum.
Why?
Does anyone know why these reads change or where they come from?
Hell I asked for her opinion of day 1 events and she never gave it to me.
So I'm aking, why does juls read town?

Vote: juls

[farside22]

Dgb: hi and I are still loverized. Please explain.

[farside22]

Please explain why dgb you claimed to be an unloverizer to juls loverizatiion ability.
And unvoted juls based on the claim dgb.

[farside22]

*** ika ( 7 ) *** The Bulge Konowa Hostile Intent Aegor Untrod Tripod Juls ika ( 7 ) *** The Bulge Konowa Hostile Intent Aegor

Untrod Tripod Juls ika

One of UT & Juls is scum.

Hey farside

Are you and Juls cross bus'ing?

This is beginning to look like a plausible scenario.

Juls is town.

/in to lynch Juls out of boredom.

I don't see many players clamoring for me to un-loverize.

Right now I'm leaning on using the un-loverize.

I've been calling farside scum because tit for tat. I think she's town.

HI... not so sure. He's slippery.

I don't think I picked both town.

HI is prob scum then.

Intent to hammer after dgb unloverises the pair

ACTION SENT TO MOD

HI & Farside UNLOVERIZED

PLEASE HAMMER

Dgb: hi and I are still loverized. Please explain.

Jesus.

I'm effin' DGB and I spent all try trying to save your butt so that the scum doesn't NK two townies (not sure about HI but still).

I made up the un-loverize stuff so that the scum doesn't take the 2 townies for the price of 1 into account in their NK.

And you just blew it.

Go get yourself NK'd with HI. You've earned it.

Reading all the above, please explain when I should be physic.

[farside22]

Reading all the above, please explain when I should be physic.

Are U 4 real

I can't wrap myself around what it reveals that farside didn't actually think "MAYBE DGB IS LYING BUT AT LEAST I'M NOT AUTO-GOING-DOWN WITH HOSTILE-INTENT TONIGHT, I'LL OPEN MY BIG TRAP TOMORROW!!!"

First thing that comes to mind is that farside knows she's not getting NK'd because she's scum so that's the furthest thing from her mind, the second is "pants on head."

When did I become physic?
How would you read all the post I quoted as someone who was fake claiming?
I called you on fake claiming, you deny it.
You ask everyone if you should do it.

You say one of HI or I are scum.
What point does anyone in this game have a clue to you lying?

Vote: dgb

[farside22]

What is the point of dgb's ability if juls ends after one day.

It's pretty obvious to me that my power exists to immediately remove Juls' action, and that players would be expected to announce their loverizing.

YOU ARE SO SCUM

Why else would you try to paint both Juls and I as scum????????????????????????????????

Says the player not wanting to "confirm" her ability and if you thought HI was town you could, if claim was fact, stop him from being tied to me.
So your reason for wanting to lynch someone you claim a town read on but you claim to be able to prevent it from happening is what now?

Wait, farside what exactly are you saying in #448.

I think dgb and juls are scum together.
Juls said the ability ended after 1 night a dgb claimed unlover ability but it seems very unuseful if the ability.

Here is were I called dgb out for lying in the first place.
Then the sudden hammer aegor so no one knows she lied.
The why would I fake claim and ask for a hammer from dgb is scummy because, hey guess what scum dgb could say oops tomorrow when I'm dead.

[farside22]

VOTE: Aegor

Sup?

Why are you voting the player you were town reading?

[farside22]

Fine

Vote: juls

States no reason for the current scum read from juls.
Non-responsive comments about why she has the scum reads she's claimed to have.
Loverizatiion explaination reasoning is crap.
When questions are awnsered that juls wants, she does not respond any issues with response, in other words no engagement.
Uses her role as Wifom.

[farside22]

Your reasons are boring and false farside. I answered everything you said.

Quote where you did.

[farside22]

Marry Mark, learn the order of events. I suspected farside/DGB for a while. I put my vote down on DGB and then farside outed DGB. I didn't post again after that. Would I have changed my vote had I seen that before the end of day? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure. DGB is notorious for the bus. Regardless, why vote kuribos over me? You know I had way more attention yesterday.

Farside and HI didn't die, so I am still of the theory that one is scum. I am vote parking on farside until she or I die. HI had a couple of town-tells yesterday.

VOTE: farside

Oh and she is lining up lynches.
When I flip town she as scum would go after HI under WIFOM that we didn't die so one must be scum.
Not logical thought process considering scum may no kill just for that WIFOM and juls is smart enough to know that.

[farside22]

And yes I would want my lunch as long as juls is lynched tomorrow as confirmed scum for non responsive case on dgb, ignoring hip/kuribo who I scum read as well and she is not attacking that player, but attacked everyone else for voting her.
Scum tend to avoid too much interaction with scum buddy as juls displayed with kuribo thus far.

[farside22]

Marry Mark, learn the order of events. I suspected farside/DGB for a while. I put my vote down on DGB and then farside outed DGB. I didn't post again after that. Would I have changed my vote had I seen that before the end of day? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure. DGB is notorious for the bus. Regardless, why vote kuribos over me? You know I had way more attention yesterday.

Farside and HI didn't die, so I am still of the theory that one is scum. I am vote parking on farside until she or I die. HI had a couple of town-tells yesterday.

VOTE: farside

Tell me with the bold how I am misreprensted your position of the one must be scum?

[farside22]

Fine

Vote: juls

States no reason for the current scum read from juls.
Non-responsive comments about why she has the scum reads she's claimed to have.
Loverizatiion explaination reasoning is crap.
When questions are awnsered that juls wants, she does not respond any issues with response, in other words no engagement.
Uses her role as Wifom.

And can someone explain again how my role makes more sense as scum? Yesterday the theory was that I had to loverize two people in the night and get them lynched. Since that didn't happen, what is the reason du jour that scum would have a loverizor?

[quote="In post 1029, farside22]
Uses her role as Wifom.[/quote]

[farside22]

Hey t-tone,
How are you today?

What do you think of juls WIFOM the night kill for the lovers, but she says nothing about a claimed bg being alive and wifom on that?

[farside22]

I disagree with your "scum could no kill for WIFOM" comment, that seems like a dumb play at this point considering a missing kill night 1. As for scum not killing the lovers pair...here's the thing. If one of you is scum, obviously you kill someone else (Konowa I guess). But I feel like the best play for youscum would be to lynch HI (or vise versa for HIscum).

Bottom line in this case analyzing the choice of kill about the lover pair is unproductive. I don't like that immediate jump to conclusion, and coming from anyone but Juls (who has already expressly scumread you) I'd be suspicious.

What I meant was not kill the lovers, especially as juls said if they don't die one must be scum.
That is either scum juls wifom or allowing scum to wifom a night kill.

[farside22]

VOTE: Aegor

Sup?

Why are you voting the player you were town reading?

I'd like to speak with him and I don't want to string anyone else up too swiftly.

VOTE: Aegor

Sup?

Weird considering Aegor claimed a role he might have been able to prove (and apparently did prove).

False. My wincon was changed N1 just as Mark's was and Aegor hasn't said he was a part of that.

Why the vote on aegor?
No offense but aegor did not respond much day 2 to votes, you are not scum reading him from our discussion, why the vote?

[farside22]

Still waiting on juls response.

Marry Mark, learn the order of events. I suspected farside/DGB for a while. I put my vote down on DGB and then farside outed DGB. I didn't post again after that. Would I have changed my vote had I seen that before the end of day? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure. DGB is notorious for the bus. Regardless, why vote kuribos over me? You know I had way more attention yesterday.

Farside and HI didn't die, so I am still of the theory that one is scum. I am vote parking on farside until she or I die. HI had a couple of town-tells yesterday.

VOTE: farside

Tell me with the bold how I am misreprensted your position of the one must be scum?

Your reasons are boring and false farside. I answered everything you said.

Quote where you did.

[farside22]

Post 1060 reads as very have my cake and eat it too. Add Marky Mark to my scum list.

Oh, and two words with regard to DGB vs. farside and a bus: day talk

Where have I said ABR is scum or I want him lynched? If I weren't vote parking on farside you would have my vote.

Completely agree and would be willing to vote him.

I'm not sure how I feel about HI anymore. I don't get where people say he seems sincere. He simply comes off as abrasive and with a name like "Hostile Intent" I feel like this is his schtick. I still feel like his early posts rang too much of false frustration for such a young game but I have been completely null on him since.

Farside I have made my opinions well known on. I am as tired of arguing with her as you are if reading it so I won't be commenting further to/on her today.

Hiplop is completely absent and that is bothersome.

TBone is my only strong town read at this point. If DGB wasn't DGB I would probably put her in the town column. But she's DGB so I am naturally paranoid. Something about her ABR interactions is bugging me but I can't put my finger on it. I have seen town-DGB/town-ABR; I have seen town-ABR/scum-DGB but never the inverse of either. This doesn't feel like either that I have seen but it's early yet.

I would say reading this there is not a town read on ABR.
So so please use meta and links to games as reasons.

[farside22]

So apparently all I get from juls is bitchy remarks that does not explain shit.
If anyone else can ask juls questions, since all she can do is be a derogatory bitch towards me.


Till then I will place juls as my lynch only phase and engage with others.

[farside22]

are you out of lover shots, Juls?

She stated day 2 how the role works.

I'm curious why there was no night kill night 1 and the Wifom one doesn't wonder about it either.

[farside22]

Yeah so we are lynching farside today.

Nope.
We should lynch juls or you.
You mostly because you have not explained a single scum read and lurks a lot, which I know you do as scum.

[farside22]

are you out of lover shots, Juls?

No, it's non consecutive nights.

I will refrain from responding to classless hypocrites who hate being called names but dishes them out like they are candy.

I'm sorry you want to quote were I said something day 3 prior to my post were I made a caddy classless comment that warranted your caddy comments towards me?

*Looks*

See's nothing day 3 that warrants the caddy comments.

Ladies, you are both pretty. Go away from the thread for awhile.

Sure, tell me where juls explained some of the new points I brought up in my case for day 3.
For example.

States no reason for the current scum read from juls.

[farside22]

Marry Mark, learn the order of events. I suspected farside/DGB for a while. I put my vote down on DGB and then farside outed DGB. I didn't post again after that. Would I have changed my vote had I seen that before the end of day? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure. DGB is notorious for the bus. Regardless, why vote kuribos over me? You know I had way more attention yesterday.

Farside and HI didn't die, so I am still of the theory that one is scum. I am vote parking on farside until she or I die. HI had a couple of town-tells yesterday.

VOTE: farside

Tell me with the bold how I am misreprensted your position of the one must be scum?

The last sentence clearly states that he town told. How does that equate to me setting up his lynch?

Because I'm town and you keep saying one must be scum because WIFOM.

[farside22]

Rampage, did you think T-Bone would be a lynch target D2?

Rampage stated he did not submit his target night 2.
He also said he was random toward UT.
Why lynching UT to prove ABR claim is something that is town, I'd like to know from aegor, why that sounds like a good idea if you are scum reading Abr.

[farside22]

Ladies, you are both pretty. Go away from the thread for awhile.

you should probably leave this post to me

it wasn't the time, fyi

Or we can move on.
So why is juls scum in your view and who else are you scum reading?

[farside22]

I still think her ability and the justification for its use was really scummy

my other scumread is kuribo but HAHAHAHAHAHA like that's gonna happen right now

Vote: kuribo

Why not. That's all it take.
Marky's got a vote on him.
There was hiplop' comment when he was around and kurbio's lack of anything since he replaced.

[farside22]

No I mean the argument is starting to devolve into name calling and stuff and that's not productive. We don't need a repeat of Day 1.

I'll ignore juls comments and say nothing more then I'd lynch her in a heartbeat.

I have asked other questions and trying to move past day 1 spam feast and dig deeper into others.
Tbf all I did was ask juls to rxplain herself better and all I got was in my view a nasty attitude that was unjustified.
I find it more scummy as it was unnessary nastiness and the last player to be that nasty unprompted towards me was scum.