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Post Post #20 (isolation #0) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:23 pm

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VOTE: TSQ
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Post Post #21 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:24 pm

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:based on analysis of posting style in the scum qt, tsq is definitely mafia

VOTE: the status quo

you can't legitimately believe this
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Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:03 pm

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I legitimately do not believe that Anatole could think either of the two posters in the scum QT sound like TSQ
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Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:25 pm

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
MattP wrote:VOTE: TSQ


i am $100% a CIA analyst

TSQ is scum, but not for the reason you listed
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Post Post #45 (isolation #4) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:00 pm

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^ Anyone who intentionally stalls this is scum
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Post Post #49 (isolation #5) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:03 pm

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If you look at QT post time stamps vs MS posts maybe one of the scum was stupid and had a similar post pattern
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Post Post #50 (isolation #6) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:20 pm

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The only individual that strangely lines up with QT posting is Titus, who didn't post on MS after the role PMS were sent out other than one nighttime post around 2am EST and then a cluster at approx. 11:10am on October 1st, exactly around when Sicko from Moscow posted a bunch in the QT
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Post Post #51 (isolation #7) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:31 pm

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For the record, I don't think that means anything really
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Post Post #54 (isolation #8) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:17 pm

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Metal Sonic wrote:Now that your telling everyone the way to catch scum via online timings, scum will try to avoid that. Great work guys.

Scum clearly already know that, considering they haven't done it, and everyone was just told to make their online status visible. I didn't expect to strike gold
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Post Post #84 (isolation #9) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:46 am

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Konowa wrote:I'd probably shoot and/or lynch LMP for #80.

Good
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Post Post #101 (isolation #10) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:23 am

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This is the type of conversation that only some very weird people look forward to
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Post Post #103 (isolation #11) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:47 am

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UT is very weird
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Post Post #104 (isolation #12) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:48 am

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UT is scum by the way, so people know to lynch him eventually
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Post Post #105 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:50 am

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Like I'm already very confident and vaguely remember his scum play being this transparent in prior games

Aggravating counterproductive conversation between TSQ and Guyett and one-liners that aren't helpful. Drank coffee immediately
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Post Post #107 (isolation #14) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:55 am

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The meta point was not the basis of my read, it's a side thought
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Post Post #126 (isolation #15) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:28 pm

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I'd like you to as well, Metal Sonic
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Post Post #132 (isolation #16) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:39 pm

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Metal Sonic wrote:than what was this?

Regardless of what my opinion of LMP was at that moment it has nothing to do with me wanting you to expand on YOUR interpretation of his post(s)
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Post Post #153 (isolation #17) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:41 am

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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:MattP, do you still have a scum read on TSQ? If so, I'd like for you to expand upon it considering that you haven't elaborated on it at all.

No, but I don't have a townread either. He's not a concern of mine right now
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Post Post #154 (isolation #18) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:41 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:this is true.

strangely.

I think you're scum

strangely.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #19) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:45 am

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People should stop masturbating in-thread and puffing out their chests because it makes it hard to have productive conversations / is anti-town / doesn't prove your towniness / kills conversation.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #20) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:12 am

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Untrod Tripod wrote:you say, having filled your ISO with activity related IIoA and baseless reads

I don't know what IIoA means

My reads aren't baseless, and there's only two of them. You and MS are scum. I clearly explained my read on you, but you are allowed to ignore it because pretending to be indignant makes you feel like you look town. MS isn't allowed to agree with you.

MS is over-extending himself to the point that he's going to pull a muscle. His posts are ridiculous and over-the-top, and I don't believe his read on LMP, especially considering a lot of his points (LMP posted reads with no explanations) aren't inherently scummy and should have deserved further probing from MS if he thought they were weird instead of an immediate conclusion of a scum-read. I don't believe he's actually interested in "getting reads", and I think his aggressiveness is awkward and unbelievable, unlike TSQ's, which is why I'm not longer concerned with TSQ.

I also believe your aggressiveness is fake, but maybe you just think it makes you look town or something, which I don't believe is inherently scummy which is why I'm saying you should stop. Supposing my read on you is potentially wrong, and you have a brain, you would hopefully consider than and stop promoting anti-town discussion and tone. But hey, people can only dream
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Post Post #159 (isolation #21) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:15 am

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And for the record, two more things:

1) When I say MS should have probed, I mean he should have said "Why are you scumreading these 5 people" instead of just saying "you're scum because you listed these four people with no explanations".

2) The reason I have more of a scum-aligned qualm with MS's aggressiveness than yours is that a lot of your aggressiveness is you seemingly establishing yourself with TSQ and I completely understand the underlying / slightly homo-erotic tone that comes with you both trying to assert your dominance. MS's aggressiveness seems to have no understandable motivation, and therefore comes off as unwarranted and awkward.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #22) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:15 am

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Thestatusquo wrote:And yet you're still voting me.

Oh, really? Because last time I checked I wasn't voting for anyone
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Post Post #163 (isolation #23) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:19 am

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Thestatusquo wrote:
MattP wrote:VOTE: TSQ

Good thing votes don't count in this phase

I can move my pseudo-vote if you want
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Post Post #177 (isolation #24) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:35 am

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VOTE: Metal Sonic
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Post Post #178 (isolation #25) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:35 am

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@UT

MattP wrote:Aggravating counterproductive conversation between TSQ and Guyett and one-liners that aren't helpful. Drank coffee immediately
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Post Post #180 (isolation #26) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:00 am

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I get that that's what you're saying. I don't necessarily believe it. I believe scum fake confusion about mechanics all the time.

Also, I know you think my huge post was arrogant and obnoxious, but I made many points in it that you could respond to.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #27) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:28 am

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Titus wrote:VOTE: Metal Sonic

Matt, my vote is yours as long as you vote those two.

Why are you sheeping me so hard?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #28) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:51 am

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Untrod Tripod wrote:I am pushing him to explain his reads

All of your pushes have been related to my read on you
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Post Post #201 (isolation #29) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:40 pm

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I still think UT is scum and is deliberately being offensive to promote destructive tone and discussion btw
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Post Post #203 (isolation #30) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:43 pm

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Untrod Tripod wrote:the jealousy is strong with this one.


Untrod Tripod wrote:just call your lazy fucking sheep vote what it is


Untrod Tripod wrote:yeah your post was adorable and I don't give a fuck about it


Untrod Tripod wrote:great analysis bro A+ #1 you'll be a star in this league in no time


Untrod Tripod wrote:on a side note I am so fucking sick of seeing posts like this in games

shameless sheeping should be auto policy lynch. stamp this lazy cowardly bullshit out.


Untrod Tripod wrote:translation: "I plan on being absolutely fucking useless this game"


Untrod Tripod wrote:sheeping is not working together. sheeping is being a lazy fucknut


Untrod Tripod wrote:we're you dropped as a child?
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Post Post #204 (isolation #31) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:45 pm

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Untrod Tripod wrote:I have never in the past done that as scum

Ok
Untrod Tripod wrote:and you have no reason to believe that I am doing that now

I do, I explicitly stated my reasoning
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Post Post #206 (isolation #32) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:46 pm

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You need to tone down on the insults. Seriously.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #33) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:54 pm

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I am explaining a scumread I have, telling me to fuck myself because I'm not seeing eye-to-eye with you is rude. Or asking if someone was dropped as a child. Or calling someone a lazy fucknut. Fine, replace out
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Post Post #210 (isolation #34) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:56 pm

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It's hard for me to ever get over my scumread on you when whenever I talk to you you curse at me or call me names! Or other people! Whatever
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Post Post #211 (isolation #35) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:57 pm

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Like, yeah, I had an antagonizing long-winded post picking at you for being offensive to other people, and you called me out, and I didn't do it again. I never cursed at you, I am just playing the game. Maybe my posts are coming off completely wrong to you
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Post Post #213 (isolation #36) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:33 pm

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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Why are you asking TSQ for approval to move your pseudo-vote, especially when you already have UT and Metal Sonic as scum reads?

I was making a point, not asking for approval...
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Post Post #229 (isolation #37) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:15 am

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I haven't read anything new, but I feel much more strongly about a MS scumread currently than a UT one. I'll reinvolve myself tonight
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Post Post #258 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:12 am

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This is hilarious
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Post Post #270 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:56 am

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LimMePls wrote:More pls.

I will get to reading the stuff prior to Lynx entry/claim later today.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #40) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:41 pm

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Life got busy..I will reassert myself tomorrow, assuming this game is still going. I believe MS is scum, and I stick strongly by that opinion
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Post Post #338 (isolation #41) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:08 pm

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Actually, fuck it, I'm going to push for the right lynch, I'll see what I can pull together after a quick read
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Post Post #339 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:25 pm

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I skimmed, and I believe that Lynx is just playing horrendously. I believe his posts are "scummy" but I believe his unhappiness with the game and feeling of town being bullied is authentic. I think this is an easy lynch, and I think that MS slipped to the back burner BECAUSE he is scum, and this easy lynch drew traction with no resistance easily, all through from UT onward, because the slot is very potentially town.

I think LMP is the clearest town player in the game currently.

VOTE: MS
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Post Post #344 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:45 pm

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Metal Sonic wrote:And I'm town as hell so you'd better back the FUCK down

First off, I meant you are on the backburner from the perspective of everyone else. A wagon began forming on you and immediately died down when UT was anti-town and the transition feels like a scum -> town one.

Second, outside of the context of this game, do not curse at me. I don't need to tolerate that. I'm participating in this because it is enoyable, this is a game, I don't get when this forum started gaining such a meta for insulting people. Cut it out, thank you.

Third, I think if you were actually town you would be able to look at your play fairly and say it at least hasn't been eminently "towny" up to this point. You could at least argue the actions you've taken haven't been alignment indicative, but I think you are posturing by so hyper-aggressively asserting you've been super-town to this point that it should be obvious. Cursing in all caps is ridiculously over-the-top, and I believe it is scummy in this context.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:49 pm

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LynxKuroneko wrote:Feel like explaining what makes my play horrendous? I've heard it several times, yet I'm just stating what I observe.

Yet several others in games I have been are just... either trolls or don't bother to put in much effort, up until their lynch.

Perhaps if I knew what was "horrendous" about my play, I could maybe stop playing like that. Maybe.

I am saying you're playing horrendously because the timing of your claim did not make sense. You should have claimed if you were in threat of lynch after the coffee phase. It looked very poorly executed, and you got beef for it. That was a very bad play, but I, in this case, believe you were acting as a new player being bullied by a player and didn't understand the issue with such an early claim. I think your posts are flaily but it's because you are overwhelmed with the level of aggression in the game and did not expect such a negative experience. I think this is EXACTLY why such a hostile game is not only unfun but also counter-productive because it stifles conversation and, separately, fuels mislynches.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:14 pm

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LynxKuroneko wrote:Gods be damned, please disregard everything UT posted -.-

At the moment, I'm seeing the 'authority' in LMP, meaning they're grabbing this game by the balls and leading it. Of course the goal is to 'appear town' as scum, but its still risky as scum to take that position. The minute I find inconsistency in LMP, she's getting lynched.

Right now, everyone else seems to be fair game.

I'm most happiest with a Metal Sonic or SSBF lynch at the moment, given all the back and forth, and the fact that I see LMP as likelier to be town compared to those two. Will have to reread again, and hopefully rectify the damage UT caused to this role.

I haven't done anything to deserve being cursed at.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:14 pm

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I didn't mean to quote 239.
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Post Post #351 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:16 pm

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Jeez, in real life do you curse like that at people? What has even been irritating about my play to you? I've just called you scum and explained my reasoning. I'll replace out if I'm being such a problem
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Post Post #359 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:43 am

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If you think I as Lynx's buddy would come in to hard push for a different lynch at L-2 disregarding Lynx's bad play, then you're silly. I wouldn't dig my own grave like that as scum, noone would
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Post Post #364 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:14 am

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Thestatusquo wrote:wifomwifomwifomwifom

Yes yes, good job, what I said was wifom.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:02 am

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Thestatusquo wrote:Then why post it? If you know that what you're saying doesn't actually mean anything, you look like you're arguing to score points instead of arguing to determine alignment. Major scum points imo.

Sometimes one gets frustrated with a bad argument against them and says purely for catharsis why it's a bad argument. Then that is wifom. I get it.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #51) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:03 am

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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:MattP is very confident about UT being scum > MattP considers UT and Metal Sonic to be scum but considers Metal Sonic to be a stronger suspect > MattP considers Lynx to be a townie that's playing badly and that he's an "easy" lynch.

It has to do with seeing the dynamic of the lynch progression. I don't believe this was a buildup on a scum player based on said progression
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Post Post #371 (isolation #52) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:31 am

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Thestatusquo wrote:The whole point is that its not a bad argument. If you're acknowledging that it makes you look town to do what you're doing, then you are also acknowledging strong scum motivation to do it, especially, as was pointed out, when the consequences of the actions are way smaller than what you're making them out to be because of the game state.

Any time anyone does something that scum would be stupid to do then scum could do it because of wifom, but that doesn't mean it's not frustrating from the end of the person doing it. Yes, WIFOM, I could've done it as a master plan, but I could do ANYTHING as part of my "master plan", and that would then mean I should never follow my cathartic urges and point out why I would be stupid to do something as scum. This is a moot discussion
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Post Post #372 (isolation #53) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:37 am

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This whole discussion is dependent on a Lynx scum-slip anyway so we can have it tomorrow, yes?
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Post Post #376 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:57 am

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Sorry if my post came off offensively Lynx, don't take it to heart.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #55) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:12 pm

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LimMePls wrote:
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:MattP (if Lynx is scum)


Explain that please.

If I had a gun, I'd put a bullet in SSBF for this post. MattP could deserve one based on Lynx flip.

Why do you need him to explain when you immediately following say the same thing?
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Post Post #400 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:46 am

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I've been super busy, but I have concrete plans to be here tomorrow in the evening. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #57) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:43 pm

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I don't get how you can be fence-sitting on votes between both myself and MS simultaneously, LMP.

Also, a big impetus for my read-change WAS the flow of the scumreads / coffee drinking / voting on Lynx. I explicitly stated so. I also wasn't available for a good amount of time leading up to where I did post my thoughts on Lynx. I only once was about to see what Lynx had posted prior to the coffee hammer, which was right after he claimed. I'm pretty sure I said I was really busy, not that you need to trust that but you can't exactly deny it.

I thought his claim was very awkward, and stated it was hilarious in thread. When I returned post-coffee lynch, I had seen how everything had played out regarding his behavioral response to the antagonism towards him and I had seen the dynamic of the coffee hammer and wagon buildup on him. I stated both of these were reasons for my change of heart on Lynx.

You're saying it's almost like I KNEW he was town. Obviously I'm going to have conviction if I want to have an effect on where the votes go. If I don't be convincing noone is going to listen to me. Good town are right in their reads and are compelling. You can't refute that my behavior is easily excusable as town-motivated.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #58) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:50 pm

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Metal Sonic wrote:Ya but you can't be good town cause I think you are pushing 2/2 town now LOL

First off, me having any scumread does not mean that my push on said scumread will result in their lynch. Often I push a scum read, reevaluate, and push on another player. So assuming you're town and I'm currently scumreading you, that does not nessarily mean its a push that will result in your lynch, and I will get information out of my pushes. The Lynx lynch was bad because people tunneled. The wagon buildup was weird, too fast, and and overly antagonistic. Noone questioned it. That was the bad play, not the initial pressure on him.

Second, regardless of your alignment, none of my pushes have lead in town mislynches up to this point.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #59) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:09 pm

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I didn't say anything that merited UT's response to me.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #60) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:11 pm

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Or his response to anyone else on that line of thought.

Regardless, I don't believe my focus atm is you. I have a 10am interview, I'll be back tomorrow.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:57 am

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The layout of this page is fucked up for me and won't let me do quoting normally...

After having instigated that wagon, and having seen it hammered in the hypothetical votes, and then having the coffee vote hammered, did you think you had any chance of getting us to lynch elsewhere in 48 hours?

I also don't understand how you could have gone from "UT slot IS scum" to "well, we have less than 48 hours, but I'm gonna push another wagon".


If I have a belief that something is a mislynch I am going to try my best to prevent said mislynch. Are you aware that you're grasping at straws right now with this argument?

I've already explained this, now you're just repeating yourself. I EXPLAINED why I had a change of heart in my read. You full well UNDERSTAND my explanation for my change of read. You just apparently don't agree with it. That is not the same as not understanding.

Also, on the same line as why I said Lynx IS town (conviction to sway votes) why would I not put UT as if he IS scum (conviction to sway votes)?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #62) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:58 am

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I semi-dont believe you really are having the mental progression you're presenting in this thread. I think you're now lying about your feelings regarding your read on me.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #63) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:59 am

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"If I have a belief that something is a mislynch I am going to try my best to prevent said mislynch. Are you aware that you're grasping at straws right now with this argument?"

And YES, even if that is 48 hours before deadline. Like your argument regarding this is extraordinary to me
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Post Post #458 (isolation #64) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:05 am

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I don't care that you initially scumread me going into today, and I wouldn't care in some cases if you continued doing so, but the continuance of your scumread on me is solely based on a stagnant view you have of my behavior yesterday and a repetition of explaining the situation without taking into account any information I am adding. Your read doesn't feel fluid at all to me, it feels like you came into today with this strong read to demonstrate conviction, and you are incapable of engaging in a town-like discussion following my input. Currently the day has gone as following for you.

"Matt is scum! [inserts reasons]"
*noone follows suit. You then fence-sit on three scumreads, one of which is a scumread I pushed yesterday in lieu of Lynx. You immediately unvote me and move onto another player while still pushing primarily me*
*People defend me. You keep repeating that you don't understand my play yesterday*
*I explain my play yesterday. You keep repeating that you don't understand my play yesterday*
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Post Post #460 (isolation #65) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:21 am

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My computer I'm using is fucked up. I cant quote, sorry. Deal with it during D87 or whatever when you're analyzing my posts.

I never said I wanted a no lynch, I said I wanted an MS lynch at that time yesterday. We had 48 hours to get 7 votes, that's not insane.

You are grasping at straws. My response in 455 was a response to a straw grab. Asking me why I would try to get a lynch off of what I believe will be a mislynch is not even a question worth asking. Especially when I had 48 hours to act on my feelings.

You JUST said you "don't understand how you could have gone from "UT slot IS scum" to "well, we have less than 48 hours, but I'm gonna push another wagon" when I just explicitly explained my thought process clearly regarding this.

My issue with you acting the way you're acting is that you barely even pushed on me before shifting elsewhere, and you are scumreading me and MS simultaneously which is just unnerving.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #66) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:48 am

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:( Life is being hard
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Post Post #547 (isolation #67) » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:06 am

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OK everything is better now. I will be on tonight to get involved again. I'm sorry I went MIA.
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