Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

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Hey, just picked up my PM. Will read up a bit later. Any summarizing would be fantabulous.

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Unvote

I will try to read, but I'm a slow reader, so any summaries will help me catch up quicker.

I'm doing some house work right now but hopefully I can sit down later this evening or tomorrow.

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I got...very drunk tonight, with friends.

I apologize but my catch up will be delayed.

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Uhh okay, today I was super out of commission... how are the claims from today competing?

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Krystal claims her 1-shot rolecop found out kthx has a 1-shot strongman ability.
Kthx claims not to have that.

In addition, krystal claims kthx's other ability to be after-death; if he dies, town loses cardflips. This makes it a pro-scum power.
Kthx claims his power is a while-alive power; while he's alive, full cardflips are enabled. This makes it a pro-town power.

Why has this day not ended yet?
Reck, if you want to catch up this day phase, hurry the fuck up.

I'm not the one who said I wanted to catch up this day phase, so, yeah.

VOTE: kthxbye

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That post was objectively bad regardless of the player so I don't see why it's rude, I am not offending him personally.

I specifically unvoted on Cat's request so that Reckoner here could catch up and that's what he comes up with days after? He then randomly votes basically admitting he doesn't know what he is doing, if this were a new slot I'd start screaming scum, so yea give me the better player (at least the one more invested in this game which is usually the same thing) back.

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SOMEONE HAS A SOCIAL LIFE OUTSIDE THE GAME AND DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SPEND 4-6 HOURS READING A GAME HE CROSS-REPLACED INTO

GOD FORBID!

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On that note, I think I'll play the skim when I want to game from here on out, because I have negative motivation to bother reading up now. I'm sorry if that offends you User-With-Numbers-And-Letters-And-An-Anime-Avatar-#78498329!

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SOMEONE HAS A SOCIAL LIFE OUTSIDE THE GAME AND DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SPEND 4-6 HOURS READING A GAME HE CROSS-REPLACED INTO

GOD FORBID!

You replaced in and when you did you accepted you would try to play to your wincon, nobody forced you to join, people like you that not only screw games for other people but also throw a hissy fit when called out on it and try to imply other people don't have a social life because they keep to their commitments instead simply disgust me.

me: *replaces in friday afternoon*
me: hey I'll try to catch up but I have some IRL stuff going on tonight
me: oh sorry, I've been pretty out of commission all day today, didn't have time
you: OMFG WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT YOU ARE A FAILURE GET THE FUCK OUT YOU FUCKING USELESS SHIT HOW DARE YOU HAVE A 48 HOUR WINDOW WHERE REAL LIFE TAKES PRIORITY

do we see how much of a dick you are yet or are we requiring more illustration?

Playing to my wincon doesn't mean I have to read 50 pages of bullshit, by the way.

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VOTE: krystal

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VOTE: krystal

Clap clap, I really hope my read on Boo was wrong and you are scum but I don' think so.

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Pick me! Pick me!

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Okay, cool.

I'm Annabel Lee. I'm Morbid. I have the standard VT ability (your vote and your wits) and then another ability that is secret and activates when an undisclosed game event happens.

It says my ability can activate when alive or dead.

So yeah.

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This is all dizzying.

So...why is Tier "clear" again? Or are people just using the word incorrectly?

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@Cat: You loverized copper...then why aren't you dead?

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How would you confirm yourself, Ghatokaca?

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I've been here.

I really want a full claim from Ghato, I don't know why we're just going blindly? If it's confirmable, great, then claim it.

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literally no clue

someone isn't actually confirmed and it's too dense for me to get thru...

apparently you're confirmed, Ghat is confirmed to copper, so I'm guessing it has to be Catastrophe? I'd really like to hear how Ghat is confirmed to copper

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Okay, well... Ghat either claims publicly, or I'm going to put my vote there. No sense in keeping shit secret at endgame.

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Yeah I don't get why Ghato wouldn't claim publicly.

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Don't care. I don't like relying on one person's perspective of a role/claim to determine the outcome of LyLo.

If Ghato can confirm himself and his role is believable, then why would he do it to you and not a living player?

If he can do that, then it's Cat. If he can't, I'm voting Ghato.

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Because I'm not willing to let unknown information sit out there.

Plus, here's what's going to happen: we wait a day, you probably die tonight, then it's me/Cat/Ghato in LYLO, and ~whoops~ something interfered with Ghato's ability to confirm himself! It must be Reckoner, the Evil Mafia Roleblocker! Let's lynch him~!

I'm trying to just look at the situation I'm in and think how I would play it if I were in each other person's shoes. I don't like the idea of letting a claim skirt by with the unknown being so great that anything could be bullshitted.

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It means we shouldn't go to night if it's not some hot damn surefire confirmomatic

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Hmm. Okay. Given Ghato's claim, I'm willing to NL and see what happens. But it smells fishy to me, and when they miraculously aren't dead and one of our conftown dies tomorrow, get ready for them to claim they were roleblocked or some shit.

I'm fine with NLing.

Dunno what else to do. We sort of need to let them perform their role.

I'm also very curious what the hell my 'trigger' could be because here we are near endgame and nothing has happened yet.

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I'm guessing I need to be dead or something to trigger.

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So okay then.

VOTE: Ghato

I don't think he has a game ending thing, though, I think he probably just wants to off one of TierShift/Catastrophe so he has an easier time mislynching me tomorrow. *shrug*

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Could there be 3rd party here?

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Uh

"If we believe you"???

How about we let him fucking prove it instead of going "OH CLEARLY NOBODY IS LYING IN A

MAFIA GAME

SO LET'S RISK THE WHOLE GAME ON IT!"

VOTE: No Lynch

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Tier please do not vote no lynch.

Ghato and Reck...from each of your perspectives, the other must be scum. So why are you both comfortable with the other going to night?

*shrug*

Because I'm interested to see if he can confirm himself, because if he can, then someone being "cleared as town" is not actually cleared as town and it changes my gameplan completely

Like if I vote Ghato today and there's some weird shit going on where one of TS/Cat isn't ACTUALLY confirmed town due to shenanigans, then we're fucked

If I vote NL today and Ghato confirms himself, I can catch it before it gets too fucked in LYLO

If we vote NL today and Ghato doesn't confirm himself, then it's obv

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I have seen nothing from you that tells me you are trying to figure out the game, you have been lurking when not called out because the previous owner of the slot was read as town by most, you randomly voted for one of the two competing claims, you used the fact that pissed me off to justify not posting, today you have tried to question every "confirmed" player we have, have voted opportunistically for Ghato as soon as heat was put on him and now you are coming out trying to rush a NL with your vote, I do not see why you would behave like this as town.

I didn't know Boo was townread by people. *shrug*

I didn't have time to read up on the game and at the point I was at -- where people were confirmed and things were pretty set in stone already -- it didn't really matter to me.

Any rereading I do will just be to prove a case that I am obligated to make anyway based on gamestate. It'd be fluff and frills, nothing legitimate.

I am behaving like this as town because another night phase gives more information.

Also -- it'd be a real stretch for me to make up a hidden secret fake trigger role that triggers on death or being alive or whatever when I haven't read the game to know that death mechanics & triggers have played into other roles as well.

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There's nothing I can do to "figure" out the game.

TierShift is confirmed town.

Cat was "cleared but actually not cleared just likely town unless they're ballsy scum".

Ghato is the last remaining unknown variable. If he confirms himself tonight, it makes it easy for me, because then it'd have to be Cat. TierShift is the defacto kill anyway and wouldn't be voted today, so going to another nightphase can literally only help clarify the situation.

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I mean, Ghato isn't confirmed town, so neighborizing the dead could lead to him gaining information from them that they took to the grave with him?

I would imagine his role is fake...

Although, if it's not, then he suicides, revives a townie, and we have actual real confirmed town in the game tomorrow making it me vs Cat

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Yeah I just checked my PM again

There are three "abilities" mentioned. one is the vote/wits thing, then one is just secret trigger ability when alive, and the other is that my secret trigger ability can happen when dead too

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Because I saw an opportunity to have the game play out the way I wanted which will give me more information and not result in momentum swinging my way and a lynch going through when it was leaning that way

It's a pro town play, because I am town and a lynch on me would end the game

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can we please just no lynch and let ghato confirm?

like what the fuck is the fucking problem with that, jesus

instead HEY IT'S MYLO LET'S LYNCH WHEN WE DON'T HAVE CONFIRMATIONS DONE

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you lynch me, it's game over

my vote is on NL

I will still be alive tomorrow so I see no reason to out any more reads or discuss anything

You can either lynch me and lose the game

Or

No lynch, see if Ghato can confirm himself, and go from there

I can't defend anything BooKitty has done so this is all useless to me, bye

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Do you think our fear that scum can mess with the night actions and win the game overnight is ungrounded?

I think it's pretty silly, honestly. If scum can do TWO KILLS in one night then we're fucked either way.

Like

Okay here's the thing

If I'm a scum role that can do two kills in one night then it is game over if you NL, yes

But the whole redirector thing...has there even been any evidence of that existing?

I dunno. I think lynching now when we have a role that ISN'T CONFIRMED but is going YEAH I'LL CONFIRM MYSELF TONIGHT then going NO WAIT LET'S JUST LYNCH TODAY YEAH DW ABOUT MY CONFIRMATION YOU GUYS is pretty goddamn sketchy

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he said he was confirmable

then he took forever to claim

then he took awhile to respond to copper in their thread

then when he did claim, and say he was confirmable, it became "oh shit let's just lynch reck today" so now he doesn't even have to prove his role to win?

No

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Because what if I'm town? What if one of the other people aren't confirmed?

What if I have to make a case tomorrow for, say, Catastrophe to be scum, instead of you?

I mean, from my POV, you're not confirmed. If you do confirm yourself by bringing someone back, then I'll have no choice but to look elsewhere. You can also just put someone else here using your ability and not deal with this LYLO clusterfuck.

We could also just go to night, lose TierShift, and keep moving on with an ACTUAL CONFIRMED ROLE instead of KINDA MAYBE CONFIRMED. Like, if it's not you, and you're actually town, I'm actually town, so that means one of TS/Cat being "confirmed" is bullshit, and as such we should probably let scum off one of them so we can figure out which one it is.

I can't do anything to prove my towniness. I can't defend Boo's actions or speak for her, and my time in this game has been short and constricting. But I know I'd believe me that I'm town in LYLO like this. I can't imagine that lynching in MYLO is

ever

the correct play, short of having an innocent child or dead cop's innocent left with no Godfather in the game. It's just not a high E.V. play, another night provides more information which lets us make a more informed decision.

The fact that people are so willing to lynch here is just boggling my mind, because I know I'm town, and that means one of you three is completely pulling the wool over everyone's eyes, and that alone is going to fuel my DON'T FUCKING LYNCH IN MYLO I DON'T CARE HOW CONFIRMED YOU THINK SOMEONE IS righteous fury for centuries.

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it's still retarded

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there is literally no disadvantage to losing TierShift, from a numbers perspective, and only positives to gain (night actions)

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Ghato doesn't want to go to night? Ghato wants to lynch me.

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the possibility of a game-ending maneuver makes me uncomfortable

yet you're fine lynching me with an unconfirmed claim out there from Ghato?

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If you're clearing people on setup spec, you're going to have a bad time.
Continue down this path and enjoy the loss I don't really care either way, I'm not invested.

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I know that's shitty to say but I feel like at this point I'm rehashing my same arguments of why it's bad to lynch in LYLO, and the only reasons anyone thinks I'm scum is either setup spec (unconfirmed) or stuff Bookitty did which I can't answer for

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mmmm no

everyone was yelling that Kthx was in a 1v1 so it didn't matter to me what order we lynched
then Krystal was a foregone conclusion, nothing to discuss

then today I'm actually likje "why the fuck are they confirmed" because i didnt know any claims or anything

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"why are they confirmed"
"heres why"

"uhhh alright if you say so then ill vote the other guy?"

"OMG MUCH SCUM HOW OBVI"

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uh i dont think im moaning that at all

Someone was like "both Reck & Ghato want to no lynch" and I said "no incorrect Ghato wants to lynch me now conveniently"

I'm not pushing a case that he is scum because tbqh I think it's more likely you're scum than Ghato but w/e

none of it matters because I'm not voting for anyone until Ghato suicides and revives someone else

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Oh man and Catastrophe going hard on the Reck mislynch to force a day end.

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gg if you lynch me

actually not really but w/e

people are using stupid fucking setup speculation to justify being lazy with their play

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GHATO IS NACHO?

HAHAHAHAH wow man

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also you wanna talk about lurking? Let's look at the FUCK ALL ghato has done today

it's just whatever man, TierShift shouldn't be accepting this shit

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Reck, you're flailing like fuck.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... t=Flail%2A

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if by flailing you mean "saying things that are true so that a mislynch and game loss doesn't happen today" then fucking yes?

I'll flail and lie and scream and do w/e I need to stop a loss

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If there's a straight up scum reviver that can revive scum then I think we can all just wash our hands and walk away from whatever this was.

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poe

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Nope. I haven't. Shouldn't need to at this point, either, because claims and actions help figure things out.

What came before is irrelevant to me. I won't taint my objective viewpoint by looking at play and emotions. Those can be faked.

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poe may tell you they are in the above mentioned scenario, it certainly doesn't prove it to the rest of us.

Then I cannot help you.

PoE is the only thing I have, here. And it's what you all have, too, because both you and TierShift seem to be waffling back and forth on whether I'm town or not, and that hesitance alone should be reason enough not to lynch today on a hope and a prayer.

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If Ghato has a double kill then g fucking g I guess

Like I can't figure out a scenario where a double kill happens tonight

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Uhhh, if Ghato suicides and revives someone, Cat.

If he doesn't, Ghato.

Easy.

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HEY GEE HEY LOOK AT THAT

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Like just... I know Cat is going to be retarded and hammer me

but this is EXACTLY why we go to night

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im drunk as FUCK right now

but basically I'm pretty sure that Ghato fakeclaimed yesterday and that they aren't actually the OMG IM SO TOWN role they claimed

my role STILLLLLLLLLLLLL didn't activate during the night

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VOTE: ghato

Did we win?

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ayyyyy this is why you NL in that scenario

thanks for listening to reason