Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

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Hey all! I am posting this here to remind myself to sign my goddamn posts this game.

-sthar8

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Hello everyone I know. I would list you out, but I'm afraid I don't give the requisite number of fucks to do so right now.

And
VOTE: Krystal Bald

-TTH

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copper, you drew scum again didn't you?

VOTE: copper

-TTH

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Mod: Edgar Allan Poe's name is misspelled in the title.

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Eh? This resembles his posting in lucky star exactly zero amount thus far, what are you on

-Ceph

I'm now getting a sense of why you seem to drive Antihero crazy. :S

-TTH

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I also didn't find it and Kristal likely has a post restriction involving facial expressions, eyes in particular.

Lynx does seem pretty scummy though, did you roll Jester m'boy?

Let's talk about this for a second. Expound on the Lynx scumread.

-TTH

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I think Krystal thingy's asterisk "body language" shtick is bullshit, by the way.

-TTH

Pickup. This post was my egopost.

-TTH

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Hey so Krystal, I know that faking a PR might be fun and all that, but it's also really annoying and it's gonna make it tough to play a game that's already full of hydras.

TTH thinks you're doing it because you're scum. I'm not so sure of that.

So here's your chance. Drop the schtick now and no harm done.

But if you actually have a PR? Or if you're really that dedicated to a joke thats not really very clever?

Best keep it up. Cause if you slip and dont get punished by the mod? We're gonna assume that your motive is antitown and burn down your metaphorical house.

This will be my only post on this subject that does not include a vote.

-sthar8

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What is?

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copper, you drew scum again didn't you?

VOTE: copper

-TTH

No but I think you might have, it's just gut for now but that negative intro about giving no fucks pings me.

Drunken comments ping you now? Alright.

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It's not a scumread, he seems to be trying to be scumread and I'm thinking about why he would do so.

From what I've heard, Jester as a role isn't really used and is mainly the stuff of lore now.

He starts with: it's not OMGUS I promise (???), then an aTe about please stop voting me, then he hints PR with you will regret this and finally he avoids answering questions with random conments: I'm following the flow, he then went further with the PR hints.

He is either a very awkward scum player or something else is going on.

How did you rule out him just being a a very awkward player just in general?

I think Krystal is leaning town from her opening posts, the restriction means jack for her alignment and TTH should be the first to know it, this myth about restrictions being super powered PR's or scum is BS most of the time, so I'm judging her on what she says as you should, and meta reading lynx after what Ceph said was also my first reaction.

And you know the post restriction is real... how?

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I played exactly one game with mollie and it was the one you saw. She was town. :\

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I did the same in lucky star

Did I mention Lucky Star aside from the plain fact you drew scum? Ceph imposed the idea I was invoking meta for the read and I wasn't.

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Your vote on me because I said the player I started the RVS on seemed scummy

Right, and the reasons you give for that range from him being scum to him being Jester (?) but don't include him just being awkward. There's a closed-mindedness about that which is scummy.

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*Waves*

This was the first thing she posted. It clearly wasn't facial expressions, copper.

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here you can clearly see he is leading us on,

But

why

is he leading us on? There are town reasons and scum reasons for it, and I can think of both.

She is using facial expressions in the post, so don't be disingenuous TTH.

Is it still a post restriction at that point? Wouldn't they be strictly and uniformly enforced?

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saying game mechanics are inherently scum or town indicative is bad

This isn't my argument. I think they're faking the "mechanic."

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I'm around and I'll have a post tonight. Please feel free to vote me or whatever to make time move faster.

-sthar8

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*Holds her right thumb and pinky next to her ear and mouth respectively, speaking voicelessly. Appears frustrated while slapping her hand again and again, looking more irked with every iteration. Suddenly, with an enlightened look, she reaches to the top of her right hand and pulls up her middle finger. A look of understanding washes over her face and she passes the hand off to sthar8.*

You should try something like this:

*sthar8 sways back and forth, tapping out a rhythm on his hips with the palms of his hands against his well-toned, sexy thighs. Everyone clearly understands the beat as Morse code, and anyone can translate the sounds as, "Kindly chug my genitals until your thirst is slaked. The last time I encountered a crippling PR, it was Marquis making shit up just to be annoying (as town). I don't know you well enough to decide whether you'd do something so horrifically anti-town just to make your role more interesting, and better safe than sorry."

Can you maybe do a readslist or something?

I have a mild townread on Krystal and a stronger townread on Policy Lynch. I could lynch FTL, but I dunno if that's because I want to policy lynch them or because they're scummy. Ghato's on the shitlist until they get in gear. TTH thinks TSO is town, but I'm not square there. Why are people townreading Boo?

-sthar8

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Any opinions on the Lynx situation, CoA?

What situation? You're probably town, probably underestimating the power of your living ability, probably overestimating the power of your dead-ability. All in all, I'd rather have you around than not.

My problem with Boo is exactly the same as why copper's townreading her, minus the meta. Town should be looking at the Lynx claim and saying 'But wouldn't it be better to lynch scum?' Scum are the ones who should be thinking 'That forwards my win condition!' and withholding the vote is a great way to look helpful without actually being such.

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I mean, if you weren't known to replace tactically I'd be less inclined to just run you up for the fun of it.

-sthar8

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Mobile, but I'll have a keyboard later. Note to self: you wanted to talk about ceph, lynx, FTL, boo. Little bit of setup spec, probably vote.
-sthar8

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I will be giving this game my attention now.

-TTH

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I'm now on page 7 and I think there's an excellent chance of Bookitty being scum.

-TTH

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@TTH
You still think my opinion of Lynx was scum indicative?

How do you feel about the readlists?

Can't really concern myself with those right now since I don't have developed reads myself.

Bookitty's not town, though, so we can talk about that if you're around.

-TTH

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Why are people townreading Boo?

<3 you starella!

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Well that's unlikely to happen since I just rolled into bed after eating too much and I'm not going to be able to plunk out long posts right now.

I say you're wrong, what say you?

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There's a disproportionate amount of real estate in the ISO devoted to Lynx, and even with all that she comes to the hilariously erroneous conclusion that we should lynch him even though she's convinced he's town. Regardless of any claimed abilities, he's definitely better to town alive than dead.

The townreads she's doled out so far are for pretty superficial reasons. The one on you is a perfect example of what I'm talking about there.

-TTH

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And

even with the stated conclusion that we should lynch Lynx, the vote's nowhere in sight even though there's really nothing to wait for, which looks more like scum not wanting to look overeager than anything. She pays a lot of lip service to more discussion while not attempting to make much progress in developing more refined reads. They remain fairly skeletal.

-TTH

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@TTH
I say the fact she is not as paranoid about me as usual was why I was not townreading her before but her lynx endorsment is very close to her usual town game.

Have you played a game with her as scum?

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VOTE: Bookitty

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I did not like these posts very much. Despite the fact that COA is my best scumread right now, I would be open to listening to them discuss why I should lynch this instead.

-Ceph

If you weren't getting a free pass today for being essentially a claimed vig, this would be scummy af.

I just said I wanted to policy lynch varsoon, so whatever case you get out of me is gonna have a healthy dose of 'irrational' and 'non-game related.' IME he's a liability to town and there's a decent chance he'll just quit under pressure leaving us with sonic, who is much easier to read.

Now that said? That is a pair of shitty posts. Particularly townreading Fightingmomma8:16 over nothing. And their ISO is not confidence inspiring. But my partner just put down an excellent vote and my feelings on the matter are Not To Be Trusted, so find somebody else to lead your charge.

@lynx- I think I had an epiphany. How does this sound:

Assuming you can communicate after death, which seems to be an ability that some town players have, you use your self-watch tonight. If scum is as afraid of your dead-ability as you think, they will nightkill you, giving you a guilty result that you can communicate to a townie and effectively forcing scum to trade one of them for you, which is a positive outcome for town. If they're not willing to trade, we can always lynch you later for whatever value your death provides.

If ceph&co want to, they could even loverize you with a scummy player, generating a whole other level of WIFOM for scum. If ceph picks wrong, they trade one of them for you and a lynch candidate. If he picks right though, worst case for them is trading two of them for you. And if we wind up lynching you later at least we get a shot at getting scum at the same time. I'm not sure if that's better than just loverizing two scummy players for the two birds/one stone play, but I trust Cephydra to make the right decision without broadcasting it.

In fact, I'd be OK with notsceph_theoriginal announcing targets that may or may not be legitimate at the start of each day, just to dick with the nk selection process. I don't think town actually loses anything in that shell game.

My partner already said everything relevant about Boo; she's doing a bunch of things that are really safe for scum. It's easy to 'trust' lynx on his lynch if you want townies dead. IME unilateral lynch decisions based only on one player's role PM work out roughly zero times in a thousand.

I feel like I'm forgetting something, but I cant remember what.
-sthar8

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I disagree, TTH. We should try our best to make the division as uneven as possible. We ideally aim for 0 scum in the lynch wagon, but 1 is pretty decent. That means 2 scum in the remaining...what...4 players?

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts...

My plan gives no room for scum interference. 2-1 split isn't that bad of a thing anyway since it gives guidance to the investigative roles.

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I'm not answering yet because I don't have one yet because I'm not caught up yet.

Don't worry, I'm not going to be shy on reads when I get them.

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Right. We'll just let lynx choose.

Also acceptable.

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Catching up right now, but can somebody unvote so lynx can just decide who is on his wagon? It's clearly the best way to pick.

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No, just somebody. Him sitting at L-1 is just begging for some VI to hammer to 'prove that they're town' and annoy the shit out of everyone. But thank you copper.

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do you not want my reads going into night?

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And CoA, why is BRantz's play somehow not as safe as kitty's?

I kinda have only two townreads, so it's not like he's in the safe pile. But she hit more of the big red flags than he did, like the 'oh i was totally confused about the faction too lol' and 'we should totally trust lynx about his ability'

after

he told us that self-watcher is negative utility. Basically Brantz could be just in over his head whereas kitty looks like she's actively advancing a scum plan. Also, the only other time I played with her she didn't seem to be the type of player to miss things like which abilities Lynx can use while he's alive, or whether the neighborize hits live or dead players. Something's really off there.

Looks more like "scum wanting to look overeager" as opposed to "townie forgetting they have to lynch the townie in order to advance wincon"? You're like a Bookitty vote means a hammer on Lynx, but really it's just a vote on a preapproved lynch that most people are going to go along with anyways (which is similar to a cop guilty!). And I'd also like to point out that there are 0 votes on Lynx at the moment where a number of people greater than 1 approve the kill Lynx plan, so are they all scum afraid they'll look overeager for that townie vote?

Right but then why make a whole post out of 'I wont vote him until he's ready!'

Like you said, the vote didn't really mean anything, so it's kitty trying to buy townpoints by looking helpful, as opposed to being helpful.

I feel like you didn't even read my posts and just decided to scumread me, since you don't know this most basic fact of the discussions that have taken place. I already talked to Lynx about this. And to others.

You either need to read more carefully, or you're trying to paint a picture here.

In short (yeah, I know, too late) Ghato offering to neighbourise Lynxtown doesn't come from scum imo. Lynx asking to be lynched for role related reasons doesn't come from scum either. If both were scum maybe it would be possible but unlikely bad play, but I think it's just impossible since Lynx is town.

Ghato offering to be the gatekeeper of information on a power role is not a towntell. If Lynx cannot reliably communicate after death, Ghato's claim is a safe fakeclaim and potentially a source of misinformation for the town. If Lynx's info is made public, Ghato-scum is buying townpoints for the price of manufacturing fake lynx-reads once per day. Lynx is conftown, all other conclusions here are fatally flawed. This is a bad post.

Why would Lynx not be an excellent spot for town to votepark?

Why would town need to votepark? The game doesn't end on day1.

I do not understand the stick sthar has up his butt here.

Wanna crawl up in there and get it for me?
I said 'I want to policy lynch FTL' Ceph said 'you are a scumread of mine yet I want to hear your case on FTL.' If I remotely thought that he might be scum, I'd vote him for trying to set up a wagon without accountability. But I know instead that he's just being dumb conftown, which I got plenty of in other recent games.

Let's lynch cao!
Do it!

hey i think u forgot 2 vote here brah

So, Kthx, you're saying that we stop getting full flips after you die?

Can somebody who believes this claim please explain why?

I know Ffery has seen this role recently.

I haven't seen anything solid from CoA. If I'm wrong, please point out where.

Read better pls

Excuse me for not gathering that your desire to lynch FTL is policy based. Obviously, I must be scum for having missed this slight detail, and it is crazy that I would expect you to have actual reasons, which... you then go on to give... okay then?

You are excused. The failure lies with whoever was charged with your education in your formative years, or possibly whatever silver mine is nearby your home. Whatever reasons I have, they can't be trusted BECAUSE I WANT TO POLICY LYNCH THEM.

I disagree, TTH. We should try our best to make the division as uneven as possible. We ideally aim for 0 scum in the lynch wagon, but 1 is pretty decent. That means 2 scum in the remaining...what...4 players?

This math confuses me. 13 living players, 7 on the wagon. That means five remaining players. Six if Lynx self-votes, which is bad. Not that I disagree, but why are we getting different numbers?

I can see TTH being especially paranoid about me as town as well and that's why I'm not scumreading her more heavily

Incidentally, my chat with TTH is a lot of screaming about losing to you. It's why I'm letting her needle you to get a read: she's much more motivated and theoretically practiced at it than I am.

@Brantz
I don't know if he can be sensored in the first place so I'd rather keep him off of it instead of trying to figure out post results if he should be considered.

goodpost

@Tier- are you gonna fake a cop guilty on me this game?

reads list in a minute.

-sthar8

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I'm not sure what you're saying copper. Can you rephrase that please?

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First off, the players on the Lynx wagon, since they're the most important.
Bookitty- Like 80% scum. Lotta pro-scum action
Faster Than Light- I want to lynch him, but my opinion is tainted. current uselessness is exactly what I expect from varsoon of either alignment. Would be a good vig shot, whether town or scum
copper223- townlean for being a leader and conciliatory.
Policy Lynch- town
BRantz- has made no impression. If the sensor comes back with "2 on the wagon" I'd bet here for the second. If this were a normal day1, I'd be willing to compromise to lynch this.
Krystal- town
Ghato- withholding judgement. play is townish from what I know of the players, but the ability is pinging me as strongly beneficial to scum given other setup knowledge. I am like 95% sure scum has a way to screw with after-death messages, and this seems to fit.

Off the wagon:
medea- lurker, only content is re setup spec. I'm frankly disappointed because I like both players and they're playing like shit.
Catastrophe- I can read TSO, and I dont have a townread on him yet which makes my teeth itch. The tool content may be throwing me off though, so I'm gonna give them a day or so.
Tier- ability is negative utility for scum, which doesn't balance right now. So town for now.
Kthxbye- sliiight townlean. He doesnt make it to endgame either way probably, so idrc about him right now.

scumreads going into night: Boo, brantz, TBD

TTH, you could do one as well. We'll synch in thread and annoy everybody.

aside: I reread lynx and his ability is actually a self-voyeur. He used the word 'watcher,' hence my confusion. There is now zero reason not to lynch him.

-sthar8

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Good unvote copper. I didn't know how long I could hold out.

case in point

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Sorry. Would you rather I lied to you?

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@copper- I understand the confusion. Votepark means to place a vote, usually early, then leave it there without changing it. I believe Tier was saying that he expected scum to put their vote on Lynx and leave it, because they would never be called upon to explain it. In short,

voting

lynx wasn't scummy,

voting him then not scumhunting anymore

would be.

I do not believe Lynx was attempting a slayer's gambit early game; I think he made weird choices because he was excited about his role and won some surface level scumreads. I do not understand the parallel to our play.

Dearest Boo,

You weren't a jackass in the last game we played.

I like you as a person and respect you, and I'm doing my best not to get mad in games right now, so I'm gonna go do something else for an hour in lieu of telling you to fuck right off with your factually inaccurate scummy ass shit.

Hugs and Kisses,
Sthar

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@CoA
If that is what Tier ment, he gave those two poor blokes very little time to scumhunt before calling them out.

That's a fair assessment.

The parallel is you also championed Lynx town when it was strange to do so,

Did we? Where?

as for what Lynx did he told us himself he planned to get himself lynched then realized that was the wrong way to go about it so there is not much to speculate to be made there.

In 75 (the post I started townreading him in) he said he'd be lynched by 'townread players.' Tricking scum into voting him would be counterproductive. I dont see where he said he was trying to do so.

Ignoring boo for a while yet.

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The accusations you've made of me basically amount to "She's playing like town so obviously she's scum."

Yeah, you're kind of saying it for me. You're playing

like

town. It's a simulation though because it's all fluff and no stuff.
-TTH

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Okay, I've been rereading this for about five minutes because I was certain I must be misreading it. Being conciliatory is a towntell? SERIOUSLY?

You're townreading copper anyway, why is it relevant?
-TTH

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You've (deliberately?) given me nothing I could address and pointed out no specifics that support your read.

You

have

nothing specific. There's 69 posts in your ISO, but from what I can tell you think we're scum by self-admitted OMGUS and Madea is scum because they're lurking. The townreads are liberally given but the scumreads are subdued and lack impact. Makes it all the more easy to reverse when the shoe drops on the census.
-TTH

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No

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My picks are actually Bookitty, Catastrophe, and Madea.
-TTH

Preview Edit: It also makes sense for him to sign his posts with "-TTH"?

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I'm relying on sthar for the TSO read. If he's not townreading him by now, he's probably not town. Next!

-TTH

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When asked about his previous post and the "townread" business you mentioned by me, clearly getting lynched was his gameplan and then he reconsidered and decided to be more direct about it (by claiming).

Right but I dont see that as 'trying to get scum players to vote me.'

As for you guys, that post from TTH where she accuses me of being scum for close mindedness, because I'm considering scum Lynx or town Lynx that wants us to lynch him, but excluding just awkward town Lynx making supposedly dumb comments inadvertedly.

I'd have to ask her, but I thought TTH was being aggressive with you so that she could develop a read quickly.

hey brah my vote doesn't count brah

I know, but weren't you voting anyway to leave a record? Why would you push my lynch but not want your opinion on record?

hey brah my vote doesn't count brah

But you're still a player in the game, right? You have an alignment and all that? Why would you not having a vote affect the number of unscanned players?

Aren't you doing basically the same thing with me though? You are scum reading me because you don't have an opinion of me.

I'm scum reading you because you're not proactive enough to have given me an opinion. Boo appears to be trying to be townread without actually doing anything worth townreading.

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-sthar

EBWOP: boo can wait till tomorrow because she was rude.

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That is simplistic, it depends on how you are being wrong and how you usually play as town, TTH pushing mostly bad logic on 2 players like that makes her very likely scum because when she is town even her cases on town make sense when you don't know a player's alignment, I've used that as scum for instance, and she is pretty damn accurate to boot, so yes if you flip town I'd lynch CoA in a heartbeat.

I don't know whether to think it's a sweet sentiment that you think I'm right all the time or if that's a stupid one.

It doesn't matter. Bookitty's scumread on me at the core is about posting style, which as of late has been constrained by time. It's also not explained why my skepticism about Krystal's alleged post restriction is scummy either. I still don't know whether to believe it or not. It seems unbelievable. Why would a moderator put in such a debilitating post restriction that doesn't even have an obvious connection to Poe. Having to write posts in poetry or write in the style of Poe would make sense. Doing *this kind of signaling / body language thing* doesn't. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any characters in Poe's short stories that have to do that. My question is: how could anyone not question this at all?

My beef with Bookitty is about content. The townreads are too liberally given and the scumreads are too vaguely outlined, this looks like not wanting to ruffle any feathers. From a quick look at the ISO, the priority system looks like most of the energy is devoted to appearing town for the sake of appearing town and confronting threats.

-TTH

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Given the choice between your play here and CoA's approach of lurk-lurk-lurk unsupported accusations lurk-lurk-lurk random nastiness, I'd prefer yours any day, BRantz.

The buddying is strong here.

And lets talk about lurking:

Spoiler:

Be real clear here: we are NOT lurking. We have been prodded ONCE, when TTH was on vacation and I decided to spend some time with the kids. Other than that, we have the fifth highest number of posts out of anyone in the game, which works out to around four posts a day between me and TTH. The only players who have posted more than us are you, copper, Tier, and Lynx. And given that TTH and I are wall posters rather than burst posters, that's pretty fucking good. If the standard you are expecting us to meet is set by your own posting, your numbers work out to one post every three hours or so assuming you sleep for eight hours at night. If we assume you have a job that takes up another eight hours a day, your posting average means you have been connected to the site for most of your free time over the last two weeks. Now, that's not an indictment of your life or style, but it is not a reasonable standard to hold others to when determining who is lurking. I am not you. I am at work an average of ten hours per day. I am six days into a twelve day workweek. I have two kids at home four days out of the week. And I run a youth gaming group and three RPG groups for kids. Playing mafia while doing any of those things would be rude and difficult, but I'm still keeping up with the game fairly well and have been an active poster. So kindly store your unreasonable expectations in an overhead compartment where nobody is gonna trip over them. Thank you.

I would respond to CoA's case on me... but somehow he forgot to make one.

1. Nobody else is having trouble understanding our case on you. Some people disagree with it, but nobody has indicated that they don't think it exists. 2. I don't need you to respond to our case on you. You're scum, so of course you don't want us to lynch you. Given your bias, your response to our case on you is worse than meaningless when determining it's strength or relevancy. How is listening to you trying to wheedle out of a lynch productive? 3. You're not the lynch today, and we will have more information going into tomorrow. Why the hell would I waste my time with a big push now when the new day with change all our plans anyway?

He just mentioned a game into which I replaced late as scum and got lynched for my troubles (which obviously shows my extreme acumen and ability)

See the thing is, I was playing fast and loose SK in that game and you were THE ONLY ONE who figured out what that meant. When I subtly claimed third party in thread because I won whether I got lynched or not, the town was busy going 'i dont get it' and you were screaming 'he's not town aligned!' And you almost won the game with me, despite replacing into a caught-scum slot. So yes, that game is a good example of your prowess as a player, and it did make me respect your abilities. Being dismissive of this argument suggests that you want people in this game underestimating you for some reason, which is anti-town.

And if TTH is really making the comments sthar indicated in the hydra thread, that should stop for reasons that should be obvious.

Hey so making unsupported accusations of cheating is really fucking rude. I understand that we're arguing right now, but can you at least try to be civil and limit the shit you're flinging to game relevant things?

Why is not Ghato Boo a thing for you?

The reservations I have on Ghato are setup based, and we don't have enough information about the setup to know if they're well founded.

that fulfills my promises for this morning. I'll have time later to do the three pages you guys posted overnight.

-sthar8

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He attacks Krystal and threatens them for supposedly faking a post restriction. Apparently both heads are in agreement about this being faked and TTH thinks it means Krystal is scum.

I thought it

might

be fake because I've seen that recently, and I wanted to be aggressive in discouraging that. TTH thought lying like that would make them scum, but I pointed out that at least the last time I saw a faked restriction it was a town player. How is wanting to make sure that players communicate effectively as possible scummy?

Post 108 when CoA reiterates their suspicion of Krystal. There's never an explanation of why faking a post restriction in a highly flavoured game is alignment indicative, but that's mainly what they chose to focus on.

We did not have a scumread on Krystal at that point, nor did we ever claim to. That was TTH hashing out why copper immediately believed in the restriction, which could have been him trying to buddy with Krystal.

In Post 233 we discover that CoA has a mild townread on Krystal despite the fact that he says two paragraphs earlier: "I don't know you well enough to decide whether you'd do something so horrifically anti-town just to make your role more interesting, and better safe than sorry."

Don't be ridiculous. Anti-town does not equal scummy. I know this isn't your first rodeo, so what do you have to gain from the false dichotomy?

I can't help feeling that no matter what I had done, CoA would have found a way to interpret it as scummy.

Man that sure sounds frustrating. If only there were evidence to support that position, it might round up some sympathy!

And yeah, I could go on and on about Post 281 (she talks about and to Lynx too much and she doesn't have fully developed reads on day one) and Post 283 she didn't vote town soon enough. CoA criticises me for not giving refined reads at a time when he'd barely given any at all. And then look at Post 564 for a delightful contrast. Gee, those aren't skeletal reads at all.

Those are dreadfully simplistic and factually inaccurate strawman arguments.

But you're still a player in the game, right? You have an alignment and all that? Why would you not having a vote affect the number of unscanned players?

Me voting means 8p on the wagon and 4p off the wagon
Me not voting means 7p on the wagon and 5p off the wagon
As said, vote doesn't count.

Okay, you were assuming you vote on the wagon. I'd rather you not, since we don't know if you get scanned and adding uncertainty is not helpful.

What Lynx said about getting scum to vote for him, that "you will regret getting me lynched" was part of his strategy to get himself lynched, I don't think there was another meaning intended.

I don't buy the reaction test, TTH was calling me scum there.

Maybe, you'd have to ask her. That's what I gathered from the interactions though.

To the word conciliatory: It's a buzzword. Including it in his townread of you indicates one of a very few things to me. 1) He's going to point back to that and say, "But I said he was conciliatory! Clearly it wasn't a clear read! at some point later 2) He was in a hurry to get his reads out suddenly despite a lack of interest in that throughout the rest of the game (he was "catching up" during the last flurry of postings, remember) or 3) he doesn't understand that conciliatory is a popular catchphrase for scummy. I'm dismissing 3 for now.

I am not aware of that being a buzzword scumtell. I've never seen it used as such in a game. I suppose it could be scummy if the player were trying to be seen as helpful by calming others without contributing, but copper's clearly not doing that. He's mediating conflict in the interest of making sure communication is clear, which is a sign of him actively trying to sort everyone out. Mollie does the same thing when she's town. Look at how he thinks we're scum, but is still putting in the effort to figure out what I'm talking about anyway. How does that come from a scum wincon?

As for your numbers, I dont understand 1. What does copper's peacemaking have to do with my read being clear? 2, it's almost day end. Now is the time to get reads out. 3, do you have examples?

How is any of this "actively advancing" anything? The examples you gave are passive as fuck.

She actively and loudly wanted to trust Lynx before there was a reason to do so, to get a townie lynched. She was handing out townreads like candy, to buddy up to people. She announced that she was going to wait before voting lynx, to make herself look helpful. She noted her 'confusion' over the factions in conversation with another player, so it wouldn't be missed. All of those are active things she's done to make herself look town (rather than scumhunting), whereas Brantz is defined by his lack of actions: lack of opinions, lack of pushes, lack of original content.

Missing setup things isn't scum motivated. It's just missing setup things.

I know, especially since she was scum in the game where she was so astute. But it would be helpful to scum to be able to lynch Lynx and then say 'Oh I didnt understand his abilities' if they turned out less than useful.

Your logic is beyond my understanding. Wanting to hear someone out is now setting up a wagon? Am I supposed to put on my hardhat and say "I think you're scum therefore I'm not going to even remotely consider hearing you out because I can't possibly be wrong"?

Yeah, seeing "i want to policy lynch X" and responding with 'i'd like to pursue this line of thinking' is opportunistic and scummy. I understand that you were assuming I had some kind of case because you misread my posts, but getting a scumread to push a crazywagon on town is a pretty big coup for scum.

Tell me more about this

TTH has played with copper before, and I have not. She was aggressively interacting with him early game. And she has said like, four times in chat things that paraphrase directly to 'I really don't want to lose to copper-scum.' Also, in pregame we discussed who we'd played with before and she had pretty specific analysis of copper's play. So I assume there's history there. You'll notice I left copper alone early in the day: I was giving TTH room to figure him out, because I am confident that she could do so.

1. Asking someone to unvote to prevent "some VI to hammer to 'prove that they're town' and annoy the shit out of everyone." Not realising that everyone on the wagon is there by invitation of Lynx already. Arguing that Lynx should choose when Lynx HAS been choosing.

Second sentence has no relevance to the first. Third strips the context of 'catching up.'

2. CoA: "I kinda have only two townreads." Then lists Policy Lynch (yes!) and Krystal Bald (meh) as his two townreads. So... Lynx isn't a townread? That's odd.

Why? Did I list him as scum? No? Then maybe the context of the post is relevant. Lynx's flip is assured and that will confirm his alignment. So no, I don't have a townread on him: I'm treating him like confirmed town. Clearly, that makes me super scummy.

These two post excerpts are just awful, too:

[...]
This would be optimal for scum.
[...]

This would also be optimal for scum.

No, they wouldn't. I note that you give no support for your assertions.

It's just pinging my scumdar really dramatically. I'm surely capable of being wrong, but I don't think that I am in this case.

Hedging.

Sthar claimed TTH had him as town at one point but he wasn't sure before and now they are both scumreading him,

I am not scumreading catastrophe. Please fact check.

We've got a day left, right? Everyone suggest 7 (SEVEN) players to be on my wagon, starting with most town-read.

policy, me, krystal, copper, kthx, cat, ftl. Might switch ghato for one of the last two.

Two more pages to go.

-sthar8

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I know, I feel that way too. Hang in there.

Post 559 is emblematic of my problem with your slot, TTH. If you look at this post, it covers from post 304 to post 494. That's a lot of territory for one little post to cover. It doesn't give me confidence that you're actually reading this game, and here's why.

1) That's 8am to 10pm on Monday. The kids have to be at school at 8, I have to leave for work at 9. I work until 6, then I have a game group that ran until 11. When I got home, I was too tired to read this game. I actually have work to do at work, and it is unreasonable to expect me to follow a play-by-post game in real time, all the time. What about my daily schedule is scummy?
2) During that time, the players in this game made almost 200 posts. I am not going to respond to all of them, only the things I have relevant comments on. If you would like my take on something, point it out and I will address it.
3)That's a 500 word post. You may need to redefine your concept of 'little.'

I'd like to know what you meant by that, please?

I... don't know how to be more explicit. I though Lynx was a watcher, because he called himself a watcher. But I reread him and he described his ability as a voyeur. If he were a watcher, we could either force scum to trade 1 for 1 with him (because he could see the person who killed him and communicate that to us) which is better than the sensor ability imo, or he could live longer and make the sensor pools smaller and better informed. But that's irrelevant now because voyeur.

@CoA
I know for a fact you are wrong sometimes, it's the quality of the cases I am questioning. If it was caused by a time constraint it should be easy to correct.

Can you be more explicit with your second sentence here? I'm not sure what you're saying.

I think that I want a 1v1 between you and Bookitty. You really let this fall to the wayside, imo.

'1v1's are a trap for bad players.

I think it's awkward that you're giving huge favor to softed claims but talking loud about a policy lynch on me.

Do you know what a softclaim is? PL actually just claimed their role.

Furthermore, if you think I'm a huge liability or that I will just quit game, your opinion of me is legitimately wrong.

Okay. I have been involved in three games that you were. In Antihero Reboot, you

replaced out at three votes whining to the mod about how nobody in the game could read you, and called everyone in the game a moron before you left

. In Antihero Upick, you hammered day 2's lynch on page 6 without reading, then forgot to send your bodyguard action, and then self-voted. And then in Fei's game, you replaced out at L-1 as caught solo scum. While boo is correct that sometimes otherwise proficient people play poorly, you're 3/3 for catastrophically ill-advised play in games that I've been involved in.

Basically, what you're saying here is that you want a lynch on me because of policy that doesn't make sense

Yeah, I think I've been pretty clear about that being the reason I'm not actually pushing you.

, and also because I'm a liability to town--that's an admission that you know that I am town, essentially.

No? If you're town then IME you won't do anything to help us win. If you're scum, then you get to hide behind being useless and be one of the high-pressure choices in lylo. Either way, liability. Don't put words in my mouth; I don't know where they've been.

I win most of my scumgames on-site, for the record.

Do you want a gold star sticker?

Furthermore, while I have played poorly and off-the-wall as town, I am not doing that here at all.

Before today you had what? Five posts? What play exactly am I supposed to judge you on?

Problem I'm having here is that varsoon's case on coa is indicative of him being either a bad town player or scum. Is there anyone that would like to comment on the quality of varsoon's town play?

Yeah they might be town.

So, someone (copper? PL?) please summarize Boo's suspicions of us. Afaict, it's 1) We're suspicious of her and 2)I don't read the game while I'm at work.

@Lynx- I am now ready to end the day. You have my blessing to choose whoever.

Check my math, but if you self vote, the numbers are more even with the scum nighkill assuring that the smaller group has the least scum. If you're accurate in your townreads, we get [5t], [3t-3s] which is p good. If you're inaccurate, we get [4t-1s], [4t-2s] which is the worst result ignoring other roles. If you don't self vote and are accurate, we get [6t], [2t-3s] which is potentially gamebreaking. If you are inaccurate, you get [5t-1s],[3t-2s] or [5t-2s], [3t-1s] or [4t-3s],[4t] with the third being nigh impossible.

-sthar8

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Go ahead and 1v1 us, scum. You will lose.

VOTE: Faster than Light

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Faster than Light is a role cop, by the way.

I continue to support a Cask lynch. I'm disappointed that Policy Lynch didn't use his power, but I still think Cask is the most likely scum off the wagon.

VOTE: Cask of Amontillado

I'm very tired but I will check in tomorrow early.

There's a scum power role that was on the wagon but didn't show up to the sensor somehow.
I think it's two of: Ghatokaca, Bookitty, and Catastrophe.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Our action is even night. You decide to kamikaze on us to prevent us from using it.

I bet you are a rolecop.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

None.
We're C Auguste Dupin.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

*sigh* Sorry, that was bitchy.

Still, I'm pretty perturbed right now.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Our role is investigative (not surprisingly).

I can't wait to hear what FTL comes up with.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

The shot of my ability was used, so I do not believe I was blocked (which usually makes the ability not use a shot).

You didn't bother to ask ffery before forcing me to claim?

You're a terrible communicator.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

@Copper:
I targeted CoA with an ability last night. The shot of my ability was used, so I do not believe I was blocked (which usually makes the ability not use a shot).
I may have been redirected in some way or form.
I would normally rationalize that our flipped Rolestopper did a rolestop on CoA, but why would they? Their deathflip said CoA was their biggest scumread.
The only way for my ability to fail and the shot of it to be used up is if CoA has a passive that negates it (already claimed no passives) or if someone used an ability specifically that would change targets/results. I think that if we had that sort of ability town-side, it would be too strong from a setup perspective, ESPECIALLY if CoA is the role they claim to be.
It leaves me with the following:
CoA is lying and scum
OR
Some other ability exists that changed the target/results of my ability and forced my ability to lose its shot. This results in pretty much the following scenarios for me:
The ability is townsided and targeted me (no clue, we didn't crumb or anything iirc). If so, town should claim it so we don't potentially mislynch.
The ability is townsided and targeted CoA. If so, feels like this would be way too much town power especially if CoA is even-night-investigative.
The ability is scum-sided and targeted me. Scum lucked out.
The ability is scum-sided and targeted CoA. Scum defended scum, essentially.

So far, though, I am leaning very heavily on CoA just lying. Too many really coincidental things would have to line up and the random calling us a rolecop is a really strange play for town to make.

What are the rules and assumptions you're basing any of this off of and did you clarify this with ffery.

Why would a roleblocker refund your shot while a rolestopper wouldn't?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I did ask, CoA.
Ffery said the shot of my ability was used.

Not what needed clarification.

You said you don't "believe" you were blocked. I don't give a fuck what you "believe." Did ffery explicitly tell you your ability would be refunded in the event you were blocked?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

coffee brake, sometimes I'm happy this game is not live.

Me too.

Otherwise I would probably be arrested for attempting to gouge people's eyes out.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

UNVOTE:

I think kthx is far too defensive of his role, for the record.
Also, I think we should lynch out of the pool on the lynx wagon. We're guaranteed at least one scum there. I tried to pick my Vig target last night out of people not on the wagon but I guess I botched that given the jailkeeping.
At least that clears Brantz, I guess?
/shrugs.
I'm probably gettin' gamed.

I'm glaring at you through my computer screen right now.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

VOTE: Bookitty

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Well you two outed and investigative for absolutely no reasons when you didn't need to.
Excellent work!

[CaskOfAmontillado]

You outed yourself. Remember that. Don't pin that on anyone but your own play.

No, I'm pinning it on you. Make no mistake.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

VOTE: Madea

The fact the sensor play failed indicates scum had a strong hold on the game yesterday and Medea was lurking, so not able to influence the outcome in any way, I have yet to see a hardcore lurker that does not get replaced turn out to be scum.

So do you think Krystal is scum?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I'm back from my weekend adventures, and I was gonna catch up tonight, but the post wound up being almost entirely Four Letter Words.

So I'll try again tomorrow, and for now I'll just say that I support Madea votes.

sthar8

[CaskOfAmontillado]

If I was wrong, I'm sorry, but as someone who HAS been warned for obliquely mentioning another game, I wanted to prevent that happening in this one.

I'll put this to bed right here and now.
Relevant history I was talking about

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@COA: Fair enough. That makes your shift on copper even MORE inexplicable given the timing, though. Can you explain it?

If he's buddying here, it's working but I don't think that's the case given his initial opinion of me.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

One, at least one! There are at least one non-Morbid betrayer involved in my demise!

I've seen a lot of speculation here, but no one has provided information direct from the mod or has indicated that they've even asked her. If they were really concerned about it, why wouldn't they have asked her in thread or via PM?

Why the focus on speculation rather than on finding out the truth?

The whole wringing hands and speculating seems like scum theater to me. Why not just ask?

She stated quite clearly "at least one." That's not an exact phrase and there's not much wiggle room there. I'm making the very basic assumption ffery meant what she said and said what she meant.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I think you're going at this backwards, copper.

Off the wagon include: Faster Than Light, CaskOfAmontillado, Krystal Bald, Medea the Alien, TierShift, BRantz

Due to role related claims, I'm eliminating FTL, TierShift, and BRantz.
Between Krystal Bald and Medea the Alien I think Medea is definitely a lot scummier.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

We arrive in game at two because we make a series of very reasonable (but by no means universally true) assumptions, these being:

- Scum wants to split 2-1

- Given the wording there is one or more non-scannable player(s) on the lynch

- The non-scannable player(s) has(have) no reason to be townie, so it must be a second (or more) scum player.

I agree with this.

Unless you'd like to don your tin-foil hat and argue there's a third party on the lynch wagon, what's the problem you have with this Bookitty?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

copper, I'm not sure why you're not thinking Medea is scum. It's obviously the highest probability play unless you'd like to develop your Krystal read more.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I am saying that one is the same as at least one so she wouldn't be inaccurate even if this theory is not right. Like, if you ask me if I have any beers, and I say "at least one," I wouldn't be lying if there was just one lonely Corona in my fridge.

Yes. However, if two friends come over for beers and they each ask how many you have and you look at them and say "at least one" you wouldn't be a liar, but you'd still be an asshole.

There's nothing in Lynx's role PM indicating he's get an ambiguous result but that's what we got. ffery either did that to be a jerk or there's something up on the other side of the investigation.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

If the scum power is not to show up on the sensor but for it to be heavily implied that there's an unscannable, then it's useless in that regard.

Seems to me that would be dependent on how the scum player chose to claim the role.

Seeing that Lynx's role is incredibly powerful, I could maybe imagine having unscannable town just to create ambiguity in the results and not allow them to be completely game breaking. My conclusion that it's a scum special only comes from the fact no one's chosen to say anything, not from the role itself.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Why is Medea playing against their win-con if they are scum, by lurking like this they are painting a giant target on their back. If they stop lurking and produce content I dislike and nobody else wants to pick between us 5, as they should, I will think about it.

I already quite dislike the content they have so far. The lurking has really become immaterial.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I'm only addressing Important Things in this post. If you think something is Important, but I don't talk about it, please point it out so I can explain why I think it's Not Important.

F-16 submitted the neighborize on Lynx last night, which originally wasn't exactly my intention but isn't the worst thing that could happen.

Do you have daytalk in your neighborhood?

Go ahead and 1v1 us, scum. You will lose.

VOTE: Faster than Light

Hey so remember what I said yesterday? 1v1 is a trap for bad players. You're not a bad player. Stop.

There is an amalgamation I can think of that allows us both to be town, but it requires very, very strange role interactions or far too much coincidence and town-power.
-V

very, very strange interactions like 'a doctor' or 'BP townie' or 'any protective role.' I cannot fathom that there would be one of those in a game with two vigs.

If I've got this straight, then the 'kamikaze on CoA' theory that CoA has provided assumes that we're a scum rolecop trying to push him because he's an even-night investigative role.
The problem with that is that we're not scum or a rolecop.
So, if anything, CoA outted themselves with what seems like an awkward attempt at a power play.
I don't see town freaking out and claiming after two votes like that.
Not someone as strong as CoA.

Also, I want to apologize for playing like shit in our previous games, Sthar8.
I'll defend my play in them even if it wasn't optimal, but I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience in them with me.

I mean, I haven't blacklisted you or anything. I'm sure you're a perfectly decent human being and a great guy. But since 100% of my experience with you is you acting like a VI, I'm gonna treat you like a VI. Incidentally, faking a guilty on me was not quite the right approach to starting to change that.

I targetted CoA because I thought he was mafia.

Hey so remember what I said yesterday about your play? Good job, that should be exactly what you're aiming for as a jailkeeper. Not scummy enough to get lynched, not townie enough to get shot.

But why would you target me over the confirmed town?

Show me where I told you to claim.
You're being irrational.
You claimed at 2 votes deep.
I hadn't even revealed the interaction that caused me to believe you were scum (on top of your play).
I fail to see how this is my fault.

You claimed. A guilty. On us. Why would she wait for L-1? What magical thing was she supposed to wait for before claiming? We're town, so she knew you were full of shit. The reasonable assumption there is that you were scum lying and trading one for one for some reason. TTH shouldn't have had to assume that you'd do something as arrogant, stupid, and horrendously anti-town as faking a guilty.

Unless you'd like to don your tin-foil hat and argue there's a third party on the lynch wagon, what's the problem you have with this Bookitty?

My current theory is not microwave-safe.

If they don't have a killing role, I'm inclined not even to care about them at this point. I think this discussion of third parties is pretty useless, honestly.

I agree, excepting that a 3p explains the language issue.

4. Why did you say that it was a guilty, more or less?
Between CoA's play, my failed kill on him,

and the fact that he continued to insist on me being a rolecop (weird) and that he had no passives (like bulletproof)

, it felt way too suspect. Also, I like to go all-in on players who I think are scum, even if I don't have a guilty. Conviction is important.

1) the bolded came AFTER you claimed your fake investigation. 2)Conviction may be important, but straight lying to the town is arrogant and shitty. 3) TTH said we had no passives you need to know about, not that we have no passives.

Generally I dislike sthar8's attitude so it's been kinda difficult for me to get a read on him.

I would apologize for making you feel this way, but that would be terribly disingenuous.

Well, I can find nothing in kthx's claim that suggests a strongman, rather a line that denies having other abilities.
I can also not think of a reason for town to have a strongman.

Hahahaha a third vig. You're hilarious.

Down with Kthx lynch, not voting because discussion.

@everyone- please stop discussing the scumkill tonight. They don't need your help, I promise.

@Brantz- what are your current scumreads, assuming kthx flips scum?

Did I miss anything?

-sthar8

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Krystal's post restriction doesn't really fit Madeline Usher.
Wonder what ffery was thinking there. :S

[CaskOfAmontillado]

This game seems to be bringing out the troll in everyone.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

@Cask: Why did you say town had two vigs?

Loverizer is a vig for balance purposes.

Hi. I'm TSO.

I have not been supporting tool whatsoever because I, again, have exams in 2 weeks.

No worries kiddo. Study hard!

copper: You can do 1 of 2 things here.

1) Stop the violent buddy of Bookitty and make your own case if you're so sure we are scum.
2) Run the fuck back to your scum topic.

-TSO

Copper's town, buddy.

Because neither euforic nor euphoric are direct antonyms of morbid, in a Google search or in real life. So I don't understand how you came upon the word.

And that's not something ffery would get wrong. She knows her stuff. Looks like a vocabulary slip to me, unless we get a 'euphoric' flip in which case turbolynch bad scum.

I'd just like to say that I'm quite enjoying playing with copper and kitty. Reminds me of Ye Olden Days, which is nice.

The argument surrounding tool's phrasing wrt kthx's ability is useless at best and distracting at worst. If he were town, his ability would be a flip enabler, which is slightly less negative utility than a miller. As scum, he's a universal death janitor, which is quite a nice consolation prize for his death. Everything else is just noise.

I am not inclined to listen to a potential strongman when he asks to be left alive for One More Night Please. The fact that he didn't address the actual WCS in his analysis makes me

so okay

with lynching him.

I am somewhat perturbed by the number of investigatives claimed, but we're not to broken yet. Particularly there could be enough direct counters to balance that, especially with a swingy number of vigs and some negative town roles. Thoughts on massclaim tomorrow?

In case we die tonight (which is by no means certain): We can communicate after death. The timing will be awkward, but I'll include verification info so the person who I communicate with can prove the message is from me.

I would lynch madea tomorrow, then prob ghato. We're reexamining the boo case, but she's not out of the woods either.

-sthar8

p-edit boo i'll look at it a little later

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I have to think about this because if you pulled the fake hammer as scum I want to shake your hand.

It obviously wasn't a hammer. There's a vote count on this page.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Still, I'm doing a write-up on Ghatokaca and I need a little time. I'll take it.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

My instincts are screaming that he is genuine

Tune it out. My instincts tell me stupid things all the time.
For instance, right now my instincts are screaming at me to stop drinking NyQuil and wine, but you don't see me listening to them.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I hope I can finish this post before I keel over.

This writing is not going to be any good. Be warned, everyone.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I think there's a better than good chance that Ghatokaca is scum.

First, I'd like to remind everyone of Post 246 where they refer to a previous game and say that they'll be laying off the posting for the beginning of the game. I'd also like to point out that it doesn't look like their activity has picked up recently. In fact, it's done the opposite, and supposedly they're now neighbors with Lynx who I could only imagine has

something

to say about the recent goings on. So there's that. They're not using their role in the way they claimed they would and they've got this power to relay what confirmed town has to say but we haven't heard the first word out of Lynx who

very likely

has something to say about the results from his own power.

You can say what you want about what kind of style Ghatokaca is going for here, but the early contributions are very splotchy and take swipes at little things whilst not really furthering the overall efforts. Post 301 is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. We see these devils advocate, snippy responses such as "Calling people jester can be scummy for a multitude of reasons, but saying that it's "discrediting lynch and blaming the wagon on him" isn't even close to one of them, unless you'd be happy explaining this a little bit." and "Bookitty is town, yes. This isn't why she's town." and "This post sucks." that are argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative and my best guess is that he wants to argue things in order to avoid setting off alarm bells by looking too agreeable. Because otherwise, there's really no explanation for his behavior as it really doesn't work towards clearer or more refined reads.

The people they end up pushing is also bad. I'm talking about the push on us and the push on BRantz in Post 304. From the consistency of the writing style, I'm guessing it's actually only one of the heads that authoring the vast majority of the posts and, further, I'm guessing it's Nachomamma8, but that's not really relevant. Anyway, moving right along. The pushes are bad and have a distinct stiff, rigid, clenched anus feel about them that usually emanates from scum pushes. It's qualified with the disclaimer about how he could be town for the read on TierShift, but it doesn't really make any sense given they were kind of scumreading TierShift at the time. Post 305 was a swipe at my Bookitty scumread but while he spent most of the real estate in the post negging on the weakest part of my case, he

agreed

with the strongest part which was that, in the general trend of Bookitty's ISO, her reads remained fairly undeveloped despite consistent activity.

The response to Lynx's reveal of his power was also terribly anti-town. He pretty much stayed on the sidelines taking potshots at everyone else while not giving any constructive feedback on who should be on the wagon or how to determine who should be on the wagon. In Post 508, he criticized my idea of making it random and then he proceeds to ... not give any suggests for how to guide who should be on the wagon, and therefore

it might as well have been random.

It's all philosophical lip service and being a contrarian just for the sake of it.

Then we get to the three today's posts. The worst one was Post 711 which, aside from only serving to shut down a perfectly legitimate discussion, is blatantly untrue. ffery did

not

explicitly say there was exactly one scum on the wagon and Catastrophe was right to worry about the precision of the language in the mod flip. That's not something to be glossed over and them acting like it is does not serve a pro-town agenda.

I think Ghatokaca is closed-minded, makes himself scarce, and chooses not to devote energy in discussions of much importance because he's scum.

Before anyone hammers, I actually want to hear what Lynx has to say about anything, if nothing else to force Ghatokaca to at least make something up.

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Actually, copper, could you be a dear and unvote until Ghato shows up? I'd really appreciate that. ^_^

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I also would like to hear from Medea while we're at it because I think they've had a similar "stick up the ass" approach to the game that I associate with scum.

Hi guys, cabd head of medea here letting you know that fevers suck, and not to expect real content out of either of us until our fevers come down. It's been a rough weekend, and with AP here as our guest, he takes priority until he flies out tomorrow afternoon.

(Completely jealous that you got to meet AP.)

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UNVOTE:
after you shamed me into re-voting? Your manipulation of me is outrageous TTH!

Oh shush you! >:|

I really

want

to look over TSO but I might fall out of my chair and fall asleep on the floor before then.

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v_v

*keels over*
*hits the floor*

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Responding to the prod. I'm a behind on this game and will likely find a block of time to catch up tomorrow so will post my thoughts then unless there's something to address right away.

Updates from Lynx. It should only take a few minutes to paraphrase.

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I see Ghatokaca's name at the bottom of the main forum page under "currently active users." I expect to see a post by the time I finish brewing my tea.

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No word from Ghatokaca. I'm disappointed.

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I agree with Medea on everything except ghato, where they're missing the point. I still think they're probably scum; those are all easy opinions to have.

I don't really care what Ghato has to say today, but I think my partner does. I think the game is breakable from here but I guess it's not terrible to plan for in case the wheels come off. I'm ready to end the day though, so reading along but not posting unless I'm addressed or something important comes up.

If the general consensus is that I should STFU, though, I'll ask for replacement. I'm not interested in ruining the game for others.

I think I addressed this in my last post.

There is no universe in which kthx is not the lynch today, barring PR clears.

-sthar8

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Don't understand why people are attacking ghato over the "he lied about neighborizing lynx" thing. In what universe does scum-ghato claim the dead neighborize day one, claim their target, then not actually do exactly that? I mean, there's literally no upside to NOT neighborizing lynx there.

Hi! I've got a name. It's TTH. (^_^)/~

Anyway, as my lovely hydra partner said, you managed to completely miss the point. I'm not questioning if they have the ability nor

really

that they used is on Lynx. I'm questioning that there's a real pro-town interest at heart here given we haven't heard a peep. If you're actually townreading Ghato, please tell me why instead of taking a potshot at a small part of what I said.

I look forward to seeing your further thoughts because in this latest post, I do not see any reads.

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K. Thx. Bye.

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Hey, just picked up my PM. Will read up a bit later. Any summarizing would be fantabulous.

Reminding myself to do this when I'm off work. Welcome Reck!

Kthx is at L-1, right? Could somebody unvote so we can give Reck some time to catch up before Kthx self-hammers?

--tool.

^ this. We lose nothing waiting for Reck to catch up. Also, tool, ask your hydra partner if you wanna see some

real

fakehammer reactions, as opposed to this amateur-hour bullshit. I shoulda got an oscar for Faith Plus One.

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-sthar8

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Wrt the neighborhood, it got locked before we could do anything.

I don't know why.

I almost want to lynch you before kthnxbye.

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+1, wtf was that post, I want Boo back.

Don't be rude.

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I'm sorry if that offends you User-With-Numbers-And-Letters-And-An-Anime-Avatar-#78498329!

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I swear every time I'm on here I see this F-16_Fighting_Falcon guy either has a yellow or green dot next to his name in site chat. What's keeping Ghato? Maybe I'm just crazy. :S

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FtL, if you have a killing shot left and you don't kill Ghatokaca, I will vote you on principle.

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Because you think I'm lying about a mod interaction? Or because I have limited time to post and I don't feel like wasting it in a day phase where the lynch has already pretty much been decided and seems based on pretty good reasoning?

Yes and yes.

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@sthar: TSO says Medea is a much better vig shot than Ghato.

I dunno that I'd say 'much,' but he is correct.

@all- I'm dealing with a huge personal emergency and an unrelated minor family emergency atm. Consider this head V/LA until further notice. Fortunately, I have an insanely capable hydra partner who can handle the slot while I'm MIA.

-sthar8

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Nope, but I'm confirming with ffery. The non-result was oddly worded.

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From what ffery told me, I think someone either 1) delayed our action or 2) someone else has our results.

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In our results PM, we were told our results were detained. This makes me think someone targeted us with some sort of delay.

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Holy seizures, Batman!

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I have to remind myself who was what on the original wagons.

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LynxKuroneko (7): Bookitty,

Policy Lynch

, Ghatokaca, copper223,

LynxKuroneko

,

Kthxbye

, Catastrophe

Catastrophe (1): Faster Than Light
Not Voting (4): Krystal Bald, Medea the Alien, TierShift,

BRantz

I still think Ghatokaca is scum.

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What we need to do is try to understand why Krystal did what they did, why FTL did not shoot yesterday and why CoA claims to have been blocked.

I wasn't blocked, though. :\

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I don't think it's a scum role.

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I also don't think it's the same thing with Ghato. If it was, I can't think of why ffery apparently made the PT and then closed it instead of just not opening one to begin with.

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this time it looks like she just swallowed it

*gasp*

Well, I never...

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I still do not know why Krystal traded like that

You said it yourself, but you left out the fact Krystal wasn't in danger of being lynched anyway and that made the trade even more baffling.

Plus the claim was really specific. It wasn't "I'm a cop, I have a guilty" or something general like that. It was "I'm a

rolecop

and I have this result he's a

strongman.

"