UnCouTh mAfia - [UnCouTh eNding]

[fferyllt]

hi guys,

I'm going to be over here under the jumbotron drinking sad beer and crying about the CFC semifinals.

[fferyllt]

Hey guys, let's run up Nacho to L-1 and see if he melts down and nail down a read there.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Maybe it's the PBR, but your posting restriction isn't readily apparent here.

[fferyllt]

Hey guys, let's run up Nacho to L-1 and see if he melts down and nail down a read there.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Maybe it's the PBR, but your posting restriction isn't readily apparent here.

You'll find out soon enough when you see my posts explode like a fiery furnace. And why no Nacho vote? You can break your RVS rule for this. Rules are meant to be broken. Just this once...

Nacho votes are like imperial stout. They require contemplation and gravity and the hindsight of late season that ought to go into Heisman picks.

[fferyllt]

Why not comment on my red hot blazing posts so far, Nacho?

Your intentions have been about as obvious as Baron Happlebap's when he sneaks into a kindergarten playground, so while I have been vaguely amused by your posting, I haven't yet been impressed.

Will it impress you if I proxy my vote to you for the first third of D1?

You should lay off the PBR and put down the remote.

What did you think an early Nacho push would accomplish?

[fferyllt]

It occurs to me that it's not going to be obvious when RVS ends. I don't like that any more than I like flat beer.

I'm going to go cry and eat a bag of sea salt and vinegar potato chips about it.

[fferyllt]

It occurs to me that it's not going to be obvious when RVS ends. I don't like that any more than I like flat beer.

I'm going to go cry and eat a bag of sea salt and vinegar potato chips about it.

Those always make my lips crack.

I can't tell if you are being serious or in character, lol.

So I guess I agree!

I can be both serious and in character, especially when a shot at the championship game is on the line.

My concern about knowing whether stances are serious is a very real one. All the instant playback reviews in the world could come up short.

[fferyllt]

Hey guys, let's run up Nacho to L-1 and see if he melts down and nail down a read there.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Maybe it's the PBR, but your posting restriction isn't readily apparent here.

I could say the same for you, my lovely lady - and please refrain from acronyms - had I not had my trusted cellphone on hand, I could have felt quite confused!

Ha! It very much is well within my field of play, and I personally don't touch beers of PBR ilk.

How about IPA? does you cell phone have to translate that? I recommend you switch to the ESPN app. Or Premier League. Or even (shudder) Australian style football. I'd hate for you to rot your brain.

[fferyllt]

I feel violated even having to look at those letters - you obscene troglodyte.

You must have me confused with a Raiders fan. Or Arsenal.

[fferyllt]

I'm reminded of the time my friend and I accidentally spilled our Sonic drinks in the backyard and she started singing, "My milkshake brings all the ants to the yard, they say, it's better than yours..."

Looking back on it, I don't think she actually knew what the ants thought, though.

I feel like discussion has sort of stalled. Maybe it's just a weekend thing. If it keeps up like this, though, I'll bow to Tiershift's imperial fiat and drop my vote on Angry Pidgeon just like mashed potatoes splattering all over a tray in the cafeteria.

I know the beer and pretzels and buffalo wings I had while watching the big game aren't helping but this post is a pretty good example of why I'm kinda struggling here. All the tonal stuff and textual blocking and tackling I look for in players' posts is obscured by the razzle dazzle. Makes actual positions and backfields in motion and stuff harder to catch. It's going to take a lot of instant replays.

Not that your post looks like a quarterback sneak or anything. But, actual sneaks would be easy to miss until too late with all the grandstanding going on.

I'm thinking about doing a little less roleplay and a little more mafia.

Thoughts?

[fferyllt]

Who CARES about your silly daycop results?? I HAVE A WEDDING TO PLAN!!

I, too, am leaning townish on ffery.

I would like to hear other opinions on this supposed daycop before I vote Nacho, though.

Looks like the team mascot tripped over his big feet and landed in the gatorade to me.

Awkwardly fake. For now, I'll assume it's null wrt Katsuki's alignment, but he better bring his own sixpack to the tailgate party.

[fferyllt]

@Mod I haven't voted Nacho.

I have a whole pitcher of beer and a box of roasted peanuts to work through befrore I put down a vote.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Ika

This backfield isn't in motion.

I like CDB for town, I think. Bookitty too. I think I like that Nobody Special is posting. At the very least I'd hate to see penalty tags on the ground for now.

F-16 concerns me a little, mostly due to disappearing when some actual content is now being dribbled down the court, because his molten push for Nacho's lynch isn't very informative.

I don't like Katsuki's gambit, but...katsuki.

TSO's posting restriction is adorable.

[fferyllt]

Ffery, I'd like to know your read on me. If you refuse to share, I might just have my men shoot you!

Right now, you're in that big amorphous bowl of teriaki flavored Chex Mix I am sorting through, beer in hand.

I liked that you made me your RVS target. I liked that you pressured people to explain their townreads of me. I liked that you weren't wowed by the posts that garnered a couple town reads.

I didn't like that you dropped it after that. I didn't like that you also dropped your espeonage push. And I don't like that you're moving your vote around without following up before moving it again. It feels like there's no purpose to your actions and they don't seem to line up with your stances.

So yeah, Chex Mix.

[fferyllt]

And I don't like that ika's put no game relevant content into the game since it started.

I think your post 124 about NS is pretty good, but to me he's lynchbait.

It's with great forebearance that I'm not voting katsuki at the moment. I kinda want to talk to Nacho about his thoughts on the gambit because katsuki is pretty much always beer from an off batch as far as I'm concerned.

[fferyllt]

Kats pushed right off the bat for a Sangres lynch in a recent Micro game too. No gambit but we were run up to L-1 practically before RVS ended.

All of that makes it hard to call on the field, which is why I'd like Nacho's take from the instant replay booth.

[fferyllt]

My cellphone has been hacked! A message keeps flashing on the screen saying "ika is lynchbait - ika is an easy mislynch - there is no reason to push ika right now."

Where do you think the focus should be? In the chex mix bowl?

He may be an easy mislynch. I haven't played with him often. This level of activity doesn't look like what I remember from him.

[fferyllt]

My cellphone has suddenly became animated, and its question to you is: was your post restriction titled Hitler or Stalin? Its money is on Stalin.

You should research the various places I've referenced. If you don't, you might just face death by jumping off Juche Tower, all 'by yourself'. What a nice 'suicide' that would be!

Notsci, you deem it unlikely scumkats would repeat a gambit. Why would townkats do it?
I don't get why a lurker gets a ton of votes now. I think the wagon on myself is much more interesting.

Hm.

I think you're out of the chex mix bowl. Still smell a little of teriaki, but I like your take on the relative interest of the wagons.

Going to thumb back through the thread real quick before the superbowl pre-pre-pre-pre-pre game starts.

[fferyllt]

Hey ffery I'm interested in your read on a very special someone

guess who it is

I'm not sure if I'm excited to see Cris Collinsworth or whatever football stooge they have planned for the pregame.

I'd watch the superbowl with him in a heartbeat.

Decent vibes. I really liked his slapdown of Kats' gambit. I want to bounce some reads off him when he recovers from the chicago-meet hangover.

[fferyllt]

THATS NOT WHO I MEANT

Jesus you can't be arrogant like you used to

Of course that doesn't stop Dion Phaneuf. Damn Maple Leaf.

Awww <3

P sure you're town. Didn't even have to fish you out of the chexmix bowl!

[fferyllt]

I'm not looking at AP until I can do so through the bottom of an empty mug.

[fferyllt]

Your toe jam is all over my meta sandwich, and it's lip "schmack"ing good.

"hahahaha"
Look at all those noob people with their noob faces getting infractions.

I actually do think TS is a scumdog.

Kats need to either explicitly state that she really is daycop, or stop being an ugly anti town.

Explain.

I have beer and pretzels.

You have my undivided attention.

[fferyllt]

This thread has a severe lack of superbowl run-up hype.

And a severe lack of content from some players I want to sort. F-16 and AP, I'm looking at you.

[fferyllt]

@Ffery: Why am I not ready to take you out of the trailmix bowl yet? As I read your posts on my PC, I do get why people are generally reading you (or in some cases explicitly) as town, but I'm just not there yet? I was entertaining a vote on you but opted to sheep NS instead. You are doing some things that are objectively protown and you feel confident/direct so far, but I'm just not quite feeling it? I guess your F16 read felt a little bit like a burnout copout and your Ika vote doesn't make sense to me right now.

I'm glad you've showed up for a round of beers. I can dump the bowl of chex mix on the table and pick out my favorite bits, but it feels a little premature atm.

re ika, I once replaced into his slot in a newbie game and he was all over the early game doing stuff, reaction testing, throwing votes around. I haven't played with him since, except when he was in a hydra (with beastcharizard, I think) where he also was very active and was obvtown to me - annoying, tunnely obvtown, but obvtown nonetheless. I replaced into that game just a couple calendar days before day 1 ended, so I got the full effect of his day 1 play in my initial readthrough.

I haven't meta'd to look for apathetic town games, but I'm willing to take notsci's word for it for now that such a thing exists. If my vote had been picked up in the vote count, I would have unvoted. It wasn't.

What f-16 read? Or is that the point? If I had to make a call based on what's in the thread so far, I'd lean slight town. Very slight. I don't think he's done anything so far that he wouldn't or couldn't do as scum, but the enthusiasm of it all looked a little town, even though that's about 50% post restriction based role play.

Soft pretzels? Cause if so I want one

Soft pretzels with huge chunks of sea salt and lots of mustard.

Right now, I'm trying to figure out the interactions betweek Espeonage and Tiershift. Espe indicated there were meta reasons to think Tier is scum, I think, but so far I'm finding the way he's meeting his posting restriction to be quite obscuring of his stance.

[fferyllt]

Thanks for showing up for the beer and pretzels. What specifically is "this play?"

The tonal stuff seems to be mostly post restriction driven to me.

[fferyllt]

I read that as ffery hot chili pepper reactions and wondered what kinda beer you've been drinking.

[fferyllt]

So I'm here. You want to talk over some beer and potato skins?

[fferyllt]

you have your tailgate party snacks and I'll have mine.

town ap usually starts games with some paranoia about me. I always wonder if it's genuine but for now I'm leaning a little town.

I think your expectations of nachos involvement so far are unrealistic.

[fferyllt]

leaning town. . I liked the contemptuous reaction to katsuki

it looks to me like we're sipping the same brew wrt image so it amuses me that you think I'm being cryptic.

[fferyllt]

image = ika

damned swype needs to lay off the keg.

[fferyllt]

leaning town. . I liked the contemptuous reaction to katsuki

it looks to me like we're sipping the same brew wrt image so it amuses me that you think I'm being cryptic.

Why is this more likely to come from town-Nacho? What I missed in his early posting is the lighthearted demeanor and the "let's sort some people and get a few townreads" attitude I've come to associate from town-Nacho recently. While I expected bright blue flames shining in the sky saying "Nacho is town," what I got was a cold feel of ice and a forlorn, distant longing for town-Nacho.

If you are voting ika for lack of involvement, I share your concerns. I missed Post 136 and Post 141 but you are the only one I haven't ISO'd yet which I'm going to do in a bit. I was assuming there was some deeper arms race reason at the time.

I didn't expect nacho to have time to sprinkle flaming hot cheetos all over the thread. I'm more than satisfied with what I saw for now.

UNVOTE

Like I said earlier today, I would have unvoted already if my vote had shown up in a vote count, but since it's sending a message I'm no longer feeling, I'll unvote anyway.

p-edit are you asking me about bookitty? I have a mild townread based on points of agreement which reminds me of how I felt playing with town-her in the Advance Wars uPick game.

There were lots of paranoid posts about her in that game, so I'm kinda expecting to see more of that here. The gist was that she's very good at looking town when she isn't town. One thing I like about her posting is that although she's weaving the posting restriction into the content of her posts, not just tacking it on at the start or finish, it's not obscuring her thought process. Which is something I'm not seeing from some players, and obscurement makes me nervous.

[fferyllt]

TSO, Bookitty is right that ika has been active on site in the last day or so though he didn't post here. This makes me a little nervous. I feel like my scout reports from earlier games we played are valid reasons to be concerned about him, though I am taking on board your and notscience's assertions that his town playbook lists play like this.

I'm going to munch another pretzel and think about whether I want to put my vote back there.

I don't like that Espe's reply to me yesterday was lacking detail and my follow-up didn't get airtime with him.

[fferyllt]

Espeonage, it could be the pregame tailgate party keg getting to me but I don't think so.

IIRC you hate the use of meta in mafia.

You're arguing a meta case for Tier-scum.

Your toe jam is all over my meta sandwich, and it's lip "schmack"ing good.

Your toe jam is all over my meta sandwich, and it's lip "schmack"ing good.

"hahahaha"
Look at all those noob people with their noob faces getting infractions.

I actually do think TS is a scumdog.

Kats need to either explicitly state that she really is daycop, or stop being an ugly anti town.

Explain.

I have beer and pretzels.

You have my undivided attention.

I have seen him as scum and town.

At the start of the game,
I have seen him do this play as scum. I have not seem him do this play as town.

It's like a tonal thing, like how loud farts smell less than the "fffffffffffffffff" sleeper farts that rank up entire houses and leave skid marks.

[fferyllt]

AP, it's about damn time you contributed some potato chips or a 6 pack or something to this game.

[fferyllt]

Spoiler: convo in question

Your toe jam is all over my meta sandwich, and it's lip "schmack"ing good.

"hahahaha"
Look at all those noob people with their noob faces getting infractions.

I actually do think TS is a scumdog.

Kats need to either explicitly state that she really is daycop, or stop being an ugly anti town.

Explain.

I have beer and pretzels.

You have my undivided attention.

I have seen him as scum and town.

At the start of the game,
I have seen him do this play as scum. I have not seem him do this play as town.

It's like a tonal thing, like how loud farts smell less than the "fffffffffffffffff" sleeper farts that rank up entire houses and leave skid marks.

Espeonage, it could be the pregame tailgate party keg getting to me but I don't think so.

IIRC you hate the use of meta in mafia.

You're arguing a meta case for Tier-scum.

Your toe jam is all over my meta sandwich, and it's lip "schmack"ing good.

Your toe jam is all over my meta sandwich, and it's lip "schmack"ing good.

"hahahaha"
Look at all those noob people with their noob faces getting infractions.

I actually do think TS is a scumdog.

Kats need to either explicitly state that she really is daycop, or stop being an ugly anti town.

Explain.

I have beer and pretzels.

You have my undivided attention.

I have seen him as scum and town.

At the start of the game,
I have seen him do this play as scum. I have not seem him do this play as town.

It's like a tonal thing, like how loud farts smell less than the "fffffffffffffffff" sleeper farts that rank up entire houses and leave skid marks.

Unvote

Everyone's got their serious faces on.
But that makes their deformities look more hilarious.

Don't mind the "patter" noise. It's just me lurking.

Espeonage, instead of addressing my question about you stating meta was your reason for scumreading Tier, you laughed it off with something about everyone being too serious face.

I'd like you to address it. I'll order some buffalo wings and another pitcher while I wait.

[fferyllt]

I like his disappointment with the AP wagon dying

You would

Muffin showed out of the searing blue to vote me because apparently he talked to my IRL girlfriend!

What.

I think ffery might be town. Ffery, do you have an F16 read? I have mixed emotions there.

AP, it's about damn time you contributed some potato chips or a 6 pack or something to this game.

Sorry :/ I don't have enough stomach acid to be consuming so many games at once.

I can tell that Im not going to get anywhere in this game unless I run several ISOs. Im somewhat occupied right now, but I should be home and will run some ISOs later. What is your current opinion on CDB? If you could skim his posts while halftime is happening and let me know how they feel, that'd be appreciated.

I didn't like that he preempted any concerns I may have or develop as "inevitable paranoia". I liked some of bookittiy's questions to him. His confidence in calling me town also gives me some concerns about backfields in motion or something.

But, I also have concerns about my ability to read him atm, so meh.

Also, you thinking maybe I'm town on the basis of sparse (for me) data in a slow-moving game bothers me a little, but also meh. That bowl will probably be down to nothing but salty crumbs before I'm comfortable.

CDB's given me nothing but townfeels.

[fferyllt]

Not that my bookitty read needed much strengthening, but that's one high %abv keg of stout right there.

So, AP.

[fferyllt]

Probably has something to do with this bowl of m&m pretzels.

I

f

f

e

l

l

o

w

p

l

a

y

e

r

s

(

o

r

i

f

t

h

e

m

o

d

n

o

t

i

c

e

s

!

)

a

n

o

n

y

m

o

u

s

l

y

r

e

p

o

r

t

(

b

y

P

M

t

o

t

h

e

m

o

d

)

m

o

r

e

t

h

a

n

3

f

a

i

l

e

d

p

o

s

t

r

e

s

t

r

i

c

t

i

o

n

s

p

e

r

g

a

m

e

d

a

y

,

Y

O

U

W

I

L

L

B

E

M

O

D

K

I

L

L

E

D

!

[fferyllt]

Im asusming that the mods doused F16 with stomach acid because he forgot his post restriction 3 times. TSO, why are you claiming responsibility for his death?

Unless you are a dayvig who flips people as "modkilled" which I strongly doubt.

You rang, ffery?

So, you just posted that you think I'm scum with F-16. Let's talk about that.

byobeer.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: nachomamma8

As an aside, Nacho that wall colour facing your webcam is hideous.

If this is an associative guess, it's a bad one imo.

I think he might have been setting kats up for mislynch (and I say that reluctantly because I hate kats' iso). brantz and skrew stand out as reads with very little oomph or basis.

[fferyllt]

Yeah, I think that stout did a number on me.

It's just a feeling. Notsci was pointing out that scum-Kats had done a similar gambit on town-nacho as scum recently and said he didn't think kats would do the exact same thing as scum again. Even though f-16 was still pushing his own nacho wagon, he was saying that he wouldn't rule out scum-kats doing the exact same gambit again. I had that flagged as a potential trajectory to follow up on.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: nachomamma8

As an aside, Nacho that wall colour facing your webcam is hideous.

If this is an associative guess, it's a bad one imo.

I think he might have been setting kats up for mislynch (and I say that reluctantly because I hate kats' iso). brantz and skrew stand out as reads with very little oomph or basis.

It's not an associative guess.

I simply watched Nacho while he slept and listened to his mumblings. After several hours of

close observation

I think F-16 is the type to run that gambit against a scumpal.

Also:
-I agree that Katsuki's iso is trash and they deserve to be eaten by the rats Kuribo keeps releasing down here.
-Brantz is obvtown

Sit down, have a beer and explain to me why brantz is obvtown.

[fferyllt]

-Brantz is obvtown

Please tell me where I can find your delicious little cupcake babies so I can order my son to EAT THEM
But no, brantz is not obvtown. If anything, his jump off F-16 and onto me sucked.

Ffery, I understand what you are saying. I don't think it's worth a lot without the actual followup; it might just be fencesitting on a buddy's actions.

Ok, so.

This is going to be dry, so you might want to pour yourself a beer and help yourself to the low-salt chips.

f-16 looked to me like he was intentionally hitting (and hitting with no subtletly at all) some stuff that he knows I've flagged as potential tenuous tonal differences in how he interacts with me when he's scum vs when he's town. His whole approach to the early game was like a burlesque of scum behaviors. But that one thing in particular that he posted wrt to me just felt like a red herring and I wasn't sure whether to scumread him for it or not. I mean it could have potentially been a handshake from town-him to town-me: Nacho has done things sort of like that to me when he was town a few times before and the sense of it was "oh yeah I know you think this is a thing I do as scum, now see if you can correctly read me anyway".

I think some of the things f-16 did are going to be intentionally false leads, and some are going to be valid. I'll want to explore them, but I won't bet the farm on any particular one of them without independent reasons to.

[fferyllt]

I am trying really hard to make sure my post restriction is made a part of everything I say. Kind of like how I visited a dog shelter this weekend, didn't adopt as I can't afford it and I live with my parents still but playing with the dogs still allows them some sort of companionship which is better than nothing, and there was this one dog that had some poop stuck in its fur. I didn't realize until after I had already pet it but my clothes smelt like dog and poop all the way home. I enjoyed the smell as it gave me happy memories. I did clean my clothes of course.

TSO is still scum. I don't see this as town TSO.

I like Brantz though as they made a good post.

I wonder if beer would work as a spot remover on dog poop.

I agree with you about Brantz. I disagree with you about TSO. Notwithstanding the rest of his posts (which I think have some town content), do you seriously think he'd go out of his way to get his scumbuddy modkilled? Especially a strong player of a scumbuddy?

[fferyllt]

So you think his claims starting with 247 are a lie?

I don't want to know what kind of beer you're drinking.

[fferyllt]

Welp, your case looks like lite beer to me.

Only question to me is whether it's town lite beer or not.

[fferyllt]

BTW, pointing out the obvious because I love to do so as much (or else why would I point out Baron Happlebap's flaws as much as I have?): this interaction with F-16 kind of makes me hilariously town, considering he made a push on me, asked if I was townreading him, then switched tactics (twice!). If anyone disagrees with me, I'd love to know why!

>>>INFRACTION

[fferyllt]

That post is a little over-salted, Nacho. I really shouldn't be drinking beer at this time of morning. I think you're going to have to explain that a little more thoroughly.

[fferyllt]

That post is a little over-salted, Nacho. I really shouldn't be drinking beer at this time of morning. I think you're going to have to explain that a little more thoroughly.

Shouldn't be drinking beer at this time of morning, ffery? Are you feeling okay, or are you joining Baron Happlebap in an endless spiral of despair and depression?

Cuts the salt. And the hype about the Superbowl half time show is pretty exciting, so! But in keeping with the time of day I'll switch to imperial chocolate coffee stout.

I think a majority of F-16's game was played around appealing to me. Starting the game out with an RVS push on me was geared to get me to townread him because of my softspot for people who are attacking me, then he seeks approval to see if I'm townreading him yet, and then when I'm not, he changes tactics. Do you think that's likely scum theatre?

Maybe you're sitting in a skybox then, and can see his play from a different vantage. I didn't get a you-him buddy feel from his play, but I feel like "hilariously town" is a bit of an overstatement. To me, it looked like he was parodying scummy play. :/

[fferyllt]

ffery seems townish; I don't have a lot of recent experience, so. P-Edit: Why are you doubting town!Nacho? This seems fishy to me.

You're marking my field position about 30 yards from where the ball hit the ground. Why?

[fferyllt]

Not only do I need a caterer, now I also have to find a new officiant! My pastor ran away screaming at the sight of BooKitty dancing in the oysters!


Sorry, do you think I'm misrepresenting you? Do you or don't you doubt Nachotown?

You're either misrepresenting me or misunderstanding me, and I lean toward the latter, which was why I wanted to know why you think I'm doubting town nacho. You asking that question feels like a botched snap.

I wanted him to explain how f-16's play made him "hilariously town" - which I'm equating with unequivocally, undoubtedly town. After he explained his reasoning - how f-16 approaches nacho as town - and that f-16 followed that script here, I can see his point.

From f-16's interactions with me, I felt like he was doing kinda the opposite - intentionally doing stuff he knows I associate with his scum game (a particular sort of condescension early on when we interact).

Hence my comment to Nacho about seeing f-16's play from different vantage points. I bet the snacks are a lot better in the skybox.

[fferyllt]

A way around it is to not forget your fucking post restrictions.

holy shit, I know ffery's liver is fucked up and all, but she STILL continues to drink despite that.

My liver is well preserved, thank you very much. I owe it all to india pale ale.

We'll see what peanuts do for my memory. Elephants eat peanuts, so it couldn't hurt.

Espe's earned a delay of game penalty imo.

[fferyllt]

I'm leaning pretty strongly town on AP.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

What sort of beer goes best with smoked cohoe salmon?

[fferyllt]

I'm not going to tolerate people saying that I am lying about my feelings on the integrity of the game in any circumstance. Ever.

Lynch me then. I'm not going anywhere and I'm certainly not in a headspace to be useful even if I put on a smily face and pretend TSO isn't the worlds most outrageous servant of Baron Happlebap.

Ffery, I'm surprised you didn't have more to say. Not a case of dry-mouth from so much alcohol I hope?

Migraine. Unfortunately not beer induced.

I think you're both town, so I find this a pretty sad turn of events given scum are already trailing in the top of the first quarter.

[fferyllt]

I think the game just looks a lot better when seen through the bottom of a mug at this point.

Town should not waste this excellent field position.

Want to talk about reads?

[fferyllt]

Where would you like to start, ffery?

If I could go back in time and change one event, I would tell Baron Happlebap's parents to throw their third child in a dumpster because while they are both lovely people and all of the children didn't turn out so horribly, Baron Happlebap is a plague infecting America with mediocrity and bad intentions.

I'd like to start with tiershift, skrew, espeonage and ika. They're the salt encrusted mixed nuts in the bottom of my chex mix bowl.

tiershift had some content early on that I kinda liked, but since the f-16 modkill his iso looks pretty fluffy.

skrew I'm not sure about. I think he generally plays well as scum, but maybe doesn't go as hard to develop as he does when town. His prod dodging lack of presence is very troubling.

espeonage also bothers me for similar reasons, actually. He's basically been prod dodging since I asked him some questions, he's claiming this is still rvs even after we have a scum-flip. If he thinks we're in RVS why isn't he trying to move us out of it?

ika is just holy shit what a lurkfuck.

[fferyllt]

Can we talk about beast too

Because I want to talk about how beast seems to be doing the same things as espeonage

Does he? I thought his push on TSO after the modkill had some sririacha chips to it. Seems too crunchy to be coming from scum.

[fferyllt]

When's shortly?

I am going to be around for a bit. Long enough for some smoked almonds.

[fferyllt]

Ffery, why do you townread AP?

Why aren't you equally interested in why other players are townreading him?

[fferyllt]

Ugh.

I think all the salty snacks are contributing to my headache.

I am going to take a break from this game until I feel better.

[fferyllt]

Who else is townreading AP?
Well, even if other people are townreading him, I ultimately put much trust in your abilities, ffery!
Can you just answer the question? Or face violent, publicly broadcasted death?

I know a little bit about mod-AP's attitude toward modkilling players, and I feel like his reaction to using modkills as tactic in this game fits with his attitude as a mod. His outrage about TSO pushing for it and pushing him for not agreeing to it feels town to me. I don't think I've ever seen scum-AP lose his temper, and I feel like his anger is genuine.

Now, being able to be legitimately emotional about something when you're scum is an awesome windfall, and it's possible that's what is happening here. But, I don't think it is.

My mug of stout has spoken.

I'm curious why you didn't buttonhole nacho, though. I seriously doubt that you trust my abilities more than you trust his.

[fferyllt]

Yeah, we should talk. I saw your comment earlier and wanted to yell at you for it, but decided to wait and see what you've actually got to say about me before I start gnashing peanuts and breathing srirachi chips.

I'm in my happy place this game, or at least was to start with. I feel confident and feel like I have a reasonable grasp of what's going on. For me, paranoia usually comes a little later in the game when I start to second guess my reads. I got pretty up in arms about people misreading a similar (to me) sense of confidence in a recent game, so it's on the top of my mind that when I feel like I've recaptured the confidence I was playing with a year or so ago, other players see it as out of line with my current meta or something.

Something that I consider a marker of my scum game, which I usually have trouble fixing is that my posts lack spontaneity. I think too much about whether something I want to post is going to shut off an avenue later or look like I'm not seeing the game the same way other players are seeing it. The post restriction doesn't kill spontaneity about how I feel about the game, but it does probably change my tone, since I've gotten kind of invested in making my PR-based references meaningful to what I'm posting. Basically, I'm spending extra time in the huddle.

[fferyllt]

Ya, I owe this game some ISOs on Sleepy, ffery, espe, and Tier for starters.

Tomorrow. Early Tomorrow. I need to give my stomach a rest for now.

Ffery, we should talk. I want to have a townread you, but some voice in my head keeps saying that most (all?) of your content so far could just as easily be from scum as town. I find your progressions all relatively believable but, nothing you've posted really sticks out iny my mind as an "oh ya, that looks town I guess" way. In fact, looking in a broad sense, I am concerned that you are rather calm and commanding this game. I guess I'm expecting some paranoia or fervor and just not seeing it for whatever reason. All that said, I'm saying this purely from an off the tp of my head picture of your posts. I do owe you an ISO to see just how substantiated my concern is.

It annoys me that you've lumped me in with most of my scumpile here.

I'm also curious to see how you form a read on me if "doing town stuff" is not something you look for.

The fact that ffery is 'widely townread' is entirely irrelevant and shouldn't impact my read on her in anyway. Actually, half the reason I keep being paranoid about her is because I see a lot of people reading her as town for reasoning I dont agree with.

Why do other people's reads of me (which you consider bad) make you paranoid of

me

? I agree that your read of me shouldn't be influenced, especially by reads you disagree with. I just don't see how somebody else reading me for weak reasons should induce paranoia about me, as opposed to say, people townreading me for weak reasons.

I'll be in the back watching the season highlites and munching smoked almonds awaiting the results of those isos.

I'd also like your thoughts on ika now that he's made what - 2 more posts?

[fferyllt]

The SleepyKrew wagon needs more votes IMO. I'll share my sea salt and vinegar chips!

AP?

[fferyllt]

@Ffery and Nacho: I will do this if you promise that you will look at AP objectively apart from the histrionics about the forced infraction plan. I don't care about that; it's alignment irrelevant to me. I think AP knows his meta and is playing to it. He is quick to attack other people's initial townreads (weaksauce) while giving even less justification for his own. He's doing ISOs (I believe this part) but not keeping up with the game nor understanding the context for what he reads. Please explain to me how I'm wrong (this is for anyone, but especially for Ffery and Nacho who have townreads on AP).

I don't really like talking in detail about how I read someone because it makes it harder to read them in future games. :/ Sometimes I just want to sort my chex mix bowl mostly in silence.

The foundation of my reads (in general) rest on tone and timing. Right now it's very hard to read AP via timing because he's been low-activity and sporadic in posting. Like, right now, I've been waiting over 24 hours for him to re-engage with me.

His tone as town tends to be more defensive and paranoid. As scum, he's more likely to shout someone down than defend against their points and the tone of his defense is more snarky and superficial, and he's less likely to let you into his head regarding why he's thinking what he's thinking about other players. As town he shows a genuine interest in being understood. He also encourages discord as scum, and will focus in on things that are likely to become emotional if flames are fanned.

F-16's scum game is manipulative. Looking at his iso I see that the bulk of his manipulation was directed at nacho. He also worked on me in a couple of posts (and did it in a really heavy-handed parody of stuff he knows I have picked up from his scum game, which still weirds me out a little, but w/e, he's flipped scum). To target AP similarly to the way he went after me, he had to have some specific stuff from AP in the game thread, which wasn't there yet at the time he did his AP reads. It's possible from that lack of manipulative interaction that AP could be scum, but I'm not seeing the stuff I look for in AP's scum game.

What it comes down to at the moment is that I'm not seeing any stuff I associate with his scum game, and I'm seeing stuff that I do associate with his town game. My reads change as more data hits the thread (and also as I get paranoid about the lack of incoming data) and it's possible this read could change. He's not hit paragon of town notes for me that would nail the read down solidly for all time.

[fferyllt]

As per usual some your reads make very little sense to me.

I no longer consider that even vaguely a town tell. Not sharing my beer with you.

[fferyllt]

I originally voted for Ffery because her wall screamed "F16 tried to manipulate me".

If you read F-16's iso (and you say you did, since you're pushing ika) then you'd know precisely why I said his interaction with me was manipulative (so blatant that I thought he was parodying his scum play).

Even through the bottom of a beer mug, his play was pretty obvious. You shouldn't have any trouble at all seeing it without beer goggles.

[fferyllt]

Ffery, you can call me a drunk but we all know that I read your post before I read F16's ISO

Before you act all high and mighty, get your drinks in order.

Ika's a sewer rat trying to eat the phonebook. Like that will make him town. Ha!

I haven't called you a drunk. I said I'm not sharing my beer with you and said you, lacking beer goggles should have had no trouble spotting f-16's references to me in his iso, and seeing them for what they are.

So, you jumped to vote me without even looking at the iso of the flipped scum player I called manipulative (and not just of me).

Good to know.

[fferyllt]

I generally only insult the Raiders. And ManU.

I certainly haven't tried to insult you.

Why don't you explain your ika vote with something more than sewer rat/phone book. You said that F-16 was distancing. My impression from his posts about ika was that he was weak-defending him and leaving room to switch to scumreading him. Which is basically the only thing I see as a townpoint for ika. His own iso is a mountain of lurk.

[fferyllt]

Im still trying to figure out how Im going to go about reading you. L4D mafia is still fresh in my mind.

You're back! Have some beer and buffalo wings!

L4D was one of my worst town games ever. I can understand misreading me in that game and I never really held it against you though I made a lot of noise about your shortcomings as a ffery-reader at the time.

Day 1 of that game was fascinating to me for reasons I don't think I ever talked about publicly, but I felt like a near-universal scumread by late day 1 (and in fact one of the few players "townreading" me was scum, but I felt like I had almost phenomenal cosmic power over the wagons as that day progressed. I'd vote someone and more votes would pile on until I'd unvote them. Then I'd vote someone else and the same thing would happen again. And again. It was probably just a case of being ever so slightly ahead of the town herd, but I was amazed by it and was tempted to play around with it at the time.

I still feel bad about not helping you get Mastin lynched on day 1 of that game.

I doubt that looking back at that game will help you read me in this one. The moment where a good shove could have knocked my approach to this game out of kilter is past. Xenosaga might be a better benchmark.

Though I think you're talking more about yourself in L4D than you are about me?

[fferyllt]

^ That sure is a unique opinion, NS.

Ffery, I just got back from Bevmo where to my dismay they told me they are all out of Lagunitas Brown Shugga ale for the season. Perhaps you could spare your liver some of yours and share?

I can share my Anchor IPA!

I asked for more votes on sleepykrew, so I'm not too surprised that a few players obliged regardless of alignment. I was townreading CDB for his early-ish play. I need to do some review, probably tomorrow. I don't think him going silent for a few days is alignment indicative for him, or at least it's not scummy. I've seen him do it before as town. I know that's not the full basis for your scumread but I'm putting it out there anyway.

[fferyllt]

WHO TURNED OFF THE ELECTRICITY??!

How am I supposed to have a wedding IN THE DARK??

*shrieks*

I think AP couldmaybeperhaps be scum, but I'll re-examine in a bit.


Also getting tiny little scumvibes from BooKitty.

More when the lights come back on.

Are you getting scum v scum from all their interactions? How so?

If your wedding reception doesn't have the Superbowl front and center on a big screen, I can't come.

My uncle's best friend came to my aunt's formal wedding in a loud pink plaid blazer over bermuda shorts, and he brought his own six pack.

Of Bud.

Other than his taste in beer, he was my favorite wedding guest.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE:

I'll be rereading this game today instead of watching all the amazing superbowl commercials. With beer goggles on.

[fferyllt]

ika plz take a stand on Titus and talk about your other reads. Your total lack of flaming hot cheetoes, or even a sourdough pretzel or two means there's just about nothing to look back at regarding your stances as players flip. And it now feels like a calculated thing, since you look like you're begrudging every little bit of content you cough up.

VOTE: ika

I believe that's L-2.

[fferyllt]

And it now feels like a calculated thing, since you look like you're begrudging every little bit of content you cough up.

I SO agree with this. It feels like Ika is taunting us, like the time that girl upended my lunch tray all over me in middle school and I wore salisbury steak gravy stains for the rest of the day while she and her friends pointed and laughed at me.

It's not an attitude I expect from town, but it's one I've seen from Ika-town before, sadly. (I can find the game if you want it, I don't remember the name just now, but it would be easy to find.)

@Ika: If you are town, you are supposed to be on our side and helping us. It's not like your post restriction is so terrible. Why are you so resistant to actually playing this game? What is your issue here?

I'd like a link. reading it might distract me from mourning the Seahawks loss.

[fferyllt]

Well I don't particualrly like the Ika wagon, but I'll likely join it if nothing interesting tickles my spleen in the next 24 hours.

Ewww....

Hey ika...want to play mafia yet?

Or are you a lazy Sloth in front of a television?

this post is rolling around in the bottom of my chex mix bowl and making me think about blitz plays.

it doesn't read like you're talking to someone you think is scum.

[fferyllt]

It's an entire 368 days until the next superbowl. I don't know how I'll pass the time, especially after Premier League winds down.

However,

@Serene2, oh most glorious and magnificent deities, please excuse this horrible gravy smear of a post, but could you tell us please when the deadline is?

[The basement door opens, and one of the Serenes hurls a digital clock at Bookitty's head. It's counting backwards, and reads:]

(expired on 2015-02-07 09:00:00)

This date is closing in and I hope the players who are against the ika lynch will put some actual effort forward in terms of where they think the focus should be right now.

BRantz worries me.

[fferyllt]

Well I don't particualrly like the Ika wagon, but I'll likely join it if nothing interesting tickles my spleen in the next 24 hours.

Ewww....

Hey ika...want to play mafia yet?

Or are you a lazy Sloth in front of a television?

this post is rolling around in the bottom of my chex mix bowl and making me think about blitz plays.

it doesn't read like you're talking to someone you think is scum.

I'm going to pour myself a beer, have a seat, and wait to see if you have anything thing to say about this, titus.

[fferyllt]

Hi T-Bone. Have a beer.

[fferyllt]

I've got a nasty virus. Won't be posting much for the next day or 2, but I'll try to stay caught up.

It wasn't all the beer and munchies, I swear.

[fferyllt]

notsci discouraged my ika vote early on. 139. In 363 he has ika as nullscum because of the lurking. 558, especially the part about how as scum he could have paranoidpostured all game on Nacho and me reads town to me. So does the bravado of the last paragraph.

I'm leaning a little town on TBone, muchly based on notsci.

Of the two who took a late stand against the ika wagon, BRantz bothers me most, and AP's remark about bussing holds water. Maybe looking for 2 more scum, one on and one off the wagon.

Tier, for me, you're basically coasting on this one town-feeling post that you made early day 1. Step it up, bro.

Espeonage is a stale pretzel in the bottom of my chexmix bowl. I'm not sure why he hasn't been replaced.

[fferyllt]

notsci discouraged my ika vote early on. 139.

Uhhhh, that wasn't Ika. Is your liver feeling ok?

My liver's fine. Wish I could say the same about my nose and throat. maybe beer goggles would help me understand your post, though.

p-edit ah. it was 135 where notsci discouraged my vote.

[fferyllt]

I'm going to go lie down. fever and beer don't mix.

I double iso'd them because I thought they both thought ika's early play wasn't alignment indicative. And I somehow confused the cute little avatars. Anyway, I've gone through most of day 1 thinking notsci initially didn't like that wagon. His first post to mention ika was actually after f-16 was modkilled. He said that he figured there were scum in the players that f-16 hadn't singled out for comment, which included ika. post 362

[fferyllt]

Bleh. I am having so much trouble with my words. My throat gets dry and I make typos which the mod notices.

Are you saying you KNOW the mod gave you the infraction and that no one reported it?

This is important for me to find the wonderful poop smelled scum that make me salivate from the pure joy of their poopie stench.

How would knowing this help you find scum?

You all have no bloodlust at all do you?

Will be around tomorrow to catch up with the new day, and have a post.

What makes you say that?

@AP

is your CDB read purely PoE or something?

I'm kinda sorta back up to speed, so cheers! I'm making Irish stew today, so Guinnes is my libation of choice.

[fferyllt]

I'm willing to vote either AP, Channel or TBone. That's who I think the scum are here.

I'm going to basically call them all pond scum growing on underwater tress cuz I need more euphemisms for scum.

I'm disappointed in not only your lack of an Espeonage vote, but a lack of even so much as a glance in his direction. I mean, I know I'm obsessed with the vote out of the blue like Baron Happlebap was obsessed with his last three "girlfriends", but I'd at least like a little glance and perusal of this direction, considering a few people here and there have brought up Espeonage being scummy as shit and I've sort of been shrugging my shoulders until I sat down, read his ISO, and thought about it: in particular, Espeonage suddenly being pro-meta is as fucked up as you being like "meh, lynch him now, we don't really need the information": it's a stark difference to his normal character and the only real explanation for the shift in perspective is to appeal to more influential voices in the game.

I doubt we're going to get an explanation from espeonage about it. He's been active on site since his last post in this game and now he's been prodded and I imagine is about to be replaced.

I thought about voting him right after the day started, but decided to wait and see what happens to the slot.

It can be useful to see how a player reacts to replacing in to a bandwagoned slot, though it's a lot like returning a punt from your own 1 yard line.

[fferyllt]

I'm willing to vote either AP, Channel or TBone. That's who I think the scum are here.

I'm going to basically call them all pond scum growing on underwater tress cuz I need more euphemisms for scum.

You just breezed past Nacho's espe case (which in part is stuff I called out espe for on day 1, and he blew off - unsatisfactorily - and disappeared) without a single comment about it.

I'm not sanguine.

>>> INFRACTION

[fferyllt]

Not sure how I feel about Espeonage wagon. Loosely tempted to trust Nacho/ffery on this one, but I know Espe did hit some town marks at points (like what Nacho pointed out in his first quote). I don't know too much about Espe's like or dislike for meta so I can't comment on that, but yeh.

Have some chex mix. This thread might interest you: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6552312

[fferyllt]

I believe that's L-2.

What we want is certainly another quick lynch.

Not.

I haven't gathered up the chex mix scattered by the last one.

WTF NS?

[fferyllt]

It was 7 to lynch yesterday. 2 deaths since then?

Or am I doing beer goggle math?

[fferyllt]

Ffery, how is your liver doing? You didn't really seem too concerned about the speed of the espe lynch yesterday despite me expressing (admittedly casual) doubts about it. Nacho, why are you just chugging right along here? I think BooKitty is likely a vote Baron Happlebap would make

Bronchitis and beer were a thing. still are.

Anyway, I kept my vote off espe despite thinking he was scum because I thought he'd be replaced. If I'd seen the L-1 vote I would have spoken up.

I'm going on a valentines day hike! So no play-by-play from me until later.

I'd like to understand Nacho's reasons for voting Bookitty. I don't like BRantz. I am getting unpleasant vibes about T-Bone's indignation about the hammer.

I've liked CDB for town most of the game but I feel like he's not had a lot of impact.

[fferyllt]

That was in regards to Ffery who I thought was implying I was indignified about the NS hammer. My 'indignation' over my hammer comes from Titus' lunacy regarding it, as what he said happened and what actually happened are two completely different things. It's like the difference between a ruby and a pearl.

I was in a hurry.

I meant indignation about the wagon/lynch. I've seen less histrionics over 1st and goal pass interceptions in the last 10 seconds of of the 4th quarter.

[fferyllt]

Well, TMZ is running a sting on the Michael Jackson estate, but hey, let's talk about this.

Your tone is what it is.

I've got some meta to review.

[fferyllt]

I would feel less guilty about lurking if everyone wasn't doing it. Something something Baron Happlebap is a chubby child molester something something.

Nacho please talk to me about your bookitty read.

I bet Baron Happlebap serves stale cheetos at his football parties.

[fferyllt]

Nacho.

Plz join me for a beer and hot wings and discuss your Bookitty read?

[fferyllt]

BRantz, I feel like you could be trying a quarterback sneak here.

And Nobody Special looks like he calls his plays without so much as a huddle, though the romp down the field in train and veil is entertaining.

I'd like more from both of you about why you're voting who you're voting.

I'm good for the next pitcher if you're forthcoming.

[fferyllt]

I'm not interested in lynching ns today. Going to veto that. I really only want brantz atm.

So, you're saying that you've been following my lead? You've been creeping on NS and you think he's town?

No doubt you'll be able to substantiate this town read.

While you wait for that, have a beer and talk about why you're scumreading him.

[fferyllt]

I don't want to replace out of this game. :/

Mollie, have a beer and read up. I'm just barely willing to give this a try and see how it goes.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: BRantz

Beer and pretzels are on the table.

[fferyllt]

CDB's lack of presence at the tailgate party is a little worrying.

[fferyllt]

My concerns about brantz started with f-16's flip. His posts about brantz went nowhere in particular and I thought it looked potentially partner-ish. The other player I thought looked somewhat partnerish with f-16 was Sleepycrew, so grain of salt, and I still keep that in the back of my mind re Titus, though it's back burner. The next big thing that pinged was Brantz staying off the ika wagon. He and AP both did that, but AP did it first and did it in a way that gave me townvibes.

There are a few players who I feel are mostly using their posting restrictions in ways that let them avoid putting much substance behind their stances. Brantz is one. NS is another. I felt like espe also did that, though, so it's obviously not a slam dunk scum tell.

Anyway, those are the big crumbs in the bottom of my chex mix bowl.

Nacho can come to my superbowl party any time.

[fferyllt]

doing nothing except throwing reads around and not adding much content.

This seems kinda contradictory on the face of it.

Have a beer.

Have you played with NS before?

[fferyllt]

You don't understand me do you?

I have not played with NS before.

But to me, anyone can say X person is town, or X person is scum and not give any reasons for it. This isn't adding content. All it is, in my opinion is trying to look like you are participating without ever actually doing anything. He has never said anything more about someone than that they are town or scum, except for Titus, and his whole case there is:

I have no problem with ordinary vote-hopping. But this .....whatever thing that Titus is doing is far beyond normal.

Just trust me, she's totally scum.

The whole thing just feels off to me.

A quick skim of NS' iso shows that he's said more than that about why titus is scum though. Not tons more, but more.

And we're talking about NS, which is why I asked you if you'd played other games with him.

That quick skim also reminded me of an interaction that I had with him on day 1 that I thought felt pretty town from his side.

He's been less forthcoming since day 1, though. Which is why I'm staring thoughtfully into my chex mix bowl.

[fferyllt]

Low content is fairly normal, yes, imo.

Whichever endzone he's defending.

You have to look at trajectory and the few razzle dazzle offensive plays. In this instance, the razzle dazzle was in reaction to me and in defense of Nacho. I can maybe see scum jumping on something like that as a way to encourage a little discord. It's not the sort of thing scum-NS does, though IIRC.

[fferyllt]

@MOD - You missed this potato chip!

VOTE: BRantz

Beer and pretzels are on the table.

[fferyllt]

Curious what you think about AP and CDB after you check them out over a bottle of beer.

[fferyllt]

The clock is winding down here and there are a ton of players lollygagging on the sidelines.

I'm not happy with the level of involvement by several players.

Mollie you're not digging into this game and that concerns me.

AP you only seem to get strongly engaged when someone goes after you and that concerns me.

CDB you have been a non-presence most of this game day and that concerns me.

I know there's not much new data in interact with, but that problem doesn't solve itself.

I'll go cry into my beer now.

[fferyllt]

BRAntz is at L-1.

I see questions. I'll be back after I've exchanged these beer goggles for caffeine.

[fferyllt]

@Nacho: Under threat of being dunked in a vat of BBQ baked beans while wearing a snappy white gabardine suit, please explain to me your townread on AP. I'm just not getting it.

Thank you!

@Ffery: I won't make threats about staining your clothes because of my deep love and respect for you. However, can you clue me in on how you're feeling about AP more specifically?

My comments about AP from early on are all still pretty much how I feel though as is always the case somewhere around halftime, my reads degrade with lack of new data.

How that impacts my AP read is that with no flashes to speak of, I'm not seeing many flashes of town. But, I also know he's low-activity across the board right now, so meh? I still feel that his altercation with T S O was unlikely to be get so heated so fast if he were scum. Other stuff mildly points in the direction of town, too. The best I can say about this read is that scum-AP has never fooled me for long (whether I could get him lynched or not)and I believe if he were scum I would have picked up on stuff that pings by now.

In other news, I'm finding it hard to parse the inside-outness of mollie's posting restriction and how she uses it. I also find her comment about 4-5 year old meta to be spurious. We've played far more recently than that and I don't like that she's discrediting, and considerably more than implying I no longer know how to read her.

I'll follow nacho's read there unless my own read goes critical mass. He's uncanny good at finding scum-mollie.

[fferyllt]

I don't even.

VOTE: muffin

[fferyllt]

I think scum are in either you or muffin. Mostly muffin.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: angry pidgeon

Still waiting, oh so eagerly, for you to elucidate why NS is town! I bet you can't. I'll be here, listening to text-to-speech iterate over your posts while pretending that Microsoft Sam is what you actually sound like.

I note without surprise you're scumreading me. That was a dramatic about-face. I'll bet you can't give reasons why I'm scum, either.

2 scum left at this point would be 12th man on the field levels of scum-sidedness, don't you think?

[fferyllt]

So am I. It's not because beer goggles.

[fferyllt]

I hoped I'd be the mason that was hauled off the field last night. Didn't expect, but hoped.

He and I had/have 3 town reads we're willing to bet the game on: AP, Bookitty and Titus. And another town read we feel really good about: NS.

That leaves CDB, UT, and if we have to go there, NS.

My preferred lynch order is exactly that - CDB, first.

Discuss. Over beer.

[fferyllt]

UT, have some buffalo wings.who do you think is scum?

[fferyllt]

I have good reason to be suspicious of CDB, as Ffery can verify.

I wish I had a better handle on his scum game. Hoped I would after Reck's game, but I dunno.

I'm basically pinning my UT read on how I felt about notsci while he was active. I don't know if that's a good thing to do or not. I felt like I was talking to town in all our interactions.

As scum he could have feigned his usual town paranoia about nacho and me for months without raising my eyebrow. He didn't do that. He also didn't do his "I'm obvtown" thing nearly as emphatically as he usually does.

Nacho liked UT's entrance when he replaced in.

[fferyllt]

I hoped I'd be the mason that was hauled off the field last night. Didn't expect, but hoped.

He and I had/have 3 town reads we're willing to bet the game on: AP, Bookitty and Titus. And another town read we feel really good about: NS.

That leaves CDB, UT, and if we have to go there, NS.

My preferred lynch order is exactly that - CDB, first.

Discuss. Over beer.

I would be willing to lynch UT as I see a grave possibility of UT whiteknighting the slot as if he was a black bat in a cave dodging the flashlight.

You were scumreading CDB right after you replaced in, and were scumreading him the next day. What happened?

In a way, this feels like a really weak read. But in another way, it boggles my mind how little impact he's had on the game. And that's nulling out his brantz read. He's hardly been off the bench for most of the game.

[fferyllt]

Does it take a freakin superbowl party to get people to post?

AP? CDB? NS?

[fferyllt]

That was a bad call on the field there and was overturned in instant replay review. I never voted Nacho. It was fixed in the next vote count IIRC.

[fferyllt]

Your comment about titus eventually landing on ika - The ika vote came 12 minutes after her first post in the game. Hardly a delay of game penalty.

[fferyllt]

halftime's running kinda long. The teams are supposed to be out on the field. :/

[fferyllt]

I think we're looking at a delay of game penalty or two here.

AP, who do you think is scum?

[fferyllt]

as I'd like for you to look at the posts f16 made about no and BRantz voting him. cdb called out those posts specifically in his ns scum case.

[fferyllt]

ap not as. phone autocorrect has been hitting the keg.

[fferyllt]

also, np not no. I've been hitting the keg too.

[fferyllt]

f-16 commented on everyone voting him. When he first flipped, I told my mason-buddies that I thought his posts about BRantz looked like scum-to-scum. I didn't see that at all in his comments about NS. And in fact after CDB's case I went back and looked at the posts he linked, read through that section of the game again, and felt like his comments on NS were perfunctory - he was talking about NS solely because NS voted him at about the same time.

So, my feeling is that CDB's case is really weak and contrived. Which also is how I feel regarding his comments about Titus voting him, especially using the term "finally" for a vote she put down within 10 minutes of her first post in the game.

I dunno. I keep reviewing that play and I keep wondering why no one else saw fit to throw a penalty flag about it. Maybe it's just me?

[fferyllt]

The problem isn't too many choices, and losing someone to self-immolation simply removes one of our opportunities to be wrong today and still win in the long run.

We don't need any more town own-goals in this game.

[fferyllt]

Nacho felt pretty strongly that Titus is town and I want to hold onto that. In our night 4 discussion, he basically said that if CDB and UT both flip scum, then he'd want to reconsider Titus and NS, but not before.

So, the reasons he put forth for town-titus include

- if anyone could have made scum-ika do something useful and potentially avoid the lynch on day 1, that would be scum-titus.
- her angry push at t-bone on day 2 saying that he cut off the chance to get more info from scum-ika is way more likely to come from her as town than as scum
- her pissyness about the brantz lynch being a mislynch and pre-emptive i told you so was something that makes sense from town titus, but he doesn't think it would occur to scum-titus to posture that way over a scum lynch.
- he also thought that titus pushing the lynch on ika and then assuming she'd solved the game from that lynch is the sort of ego-based play she does as town.

Nacho did a complete about face on CDB on night 4, which is why that's where I want to vote. On night three, he talked about CDB's intermittent town-flashes, which I agree have been there. He says that scum-CDB doesn't often (if ever) display those kinds of flashes. But, with muffin's flip and CDB's play on day 4, he apparently came away with a completely different impression.

I'm basically waiting for UT to make his catch-up post, and then I'll decide where my vote goes.

Nacho made an eloquent case for scum-muffin on Night 3. He's not infallible, but he has a real knack for seeing the town-motivation in play that I often snap-read as scummy. I feel like his Titus read has that qualilty about it.

I don't want to Monday morning quarterback his Titus read just yet.

[fferyllt]

Titus I don't trust vca. Especially not as you've demonstrated it in this game. I'd as soon use chex mix as a divination tool.

[fferyllt]

As near as I can tell your vca is shallow. You've said nothing about the trajectories leading to where players were positionally and temporally on wagons.

Let me scatter these pretzels on the table. They will point us to the endzone.

p-edit I would say that the most shaky of the propositions is the first one. And you leading the lynch on ika is actually the weakest of my reasons for townreading you because of the unique ways you and ika interact in all games I've played/followed.

Your language makes UT and CDB equally scummy sounding.

At most

, only one of them can be scum.

[fferyllt]

UT, enough delay of game already. The field is littered with flags.

Have you read the game?

[fferyllt]

And yet you agreed with this post in a mafia discussion thread about vca.

Subject: VCA Stats

VCA is basically just making arbitrary groupings and divining scum from it.

that's not at all what VCA is...

VCA involves looking at timing, reasoning, momentum, placement, associations, and tone of the votes/vote posts, among several other factors, as well as applying those factors to the non-votes in order to get a better picture of what occurred. It's not just "oh hey X voted Y so X must be scum..."

This.

[fferyllt]

I'm losing interest in this discussion because you're one of the closest things to a mafia polar opposite I've ever encountered and I can only take so many headdesks in a game day.

So, I want to throw this out there about NS. He's hammered 2 players without posting intent or making sure they had a chance to claim.

In a game where we knew there was at least one more mason somewhere in the player list. A strong argument can be made that muffin had telegraphed he was vanilla town in post 888, but there was nothing like that in BRantz' final posts.

That's a pretty decent blitz play moving off the line of scrimmage. If BRAntz had flipped town we'd be all over that. But, at the same time, I don't like that NS has quickhammered twice in this game. And that's why NS is the player I'd be looking at in lylo if this game doesn't end before then.

CDB

where'd you go? Are you finished with this game? 3 and a half days ago you said you'd have your reads list finished in 24 hours.

[fferyllt]

@fferyllt: What did you and Nacho think about notscience? I loosely feel town from the slot but I've still never actually encountered him-scum before. I think he still has the most readable posts in the thread for that slot, which is unfortunate. My throat is getting itchy just thinking about that.

We didn't talk a whole lot about notsci in the mason thread because we both thought he was town. Nacho wanted to lynch CDB first because he thought UT's replace-in looked townish and because he still had the notsci-town vibe going.

Several behaviors I think are town markers were present. A few markers I like to see from him weren't present.

However, notsci has a very easy formula wrt to his interactions with nacho or me that he can follow when he's scum and I at least won't look beyond that formula until later in the game, and he didn't follow that formula at all.

On day 1 while notsci was in the game, I was ascribing some of TSO's posts to notsci because their avatars confused me for reasons I still can't really fathom. There may be some lingering halo effect to my notsci read because of that, but I don't think so.

Nacho's preferred lynch order was CDB-UT-NS.

Right now, I'm kinda feeling like I'd prefer CDB-NS-UT (with a huge honking instant replay review of titus if we get to that point).

One thing that I'm really not able to easily judge is the way NS had both nacho and me in his townpile from fairly early on day 1. I thought that Nacho was intentionally playing ambiguously at first, and although I felt like I was playing very confidently town, that's an internal judgment that I know doesn't always match external perceptions. There have been games were I felt like my play exuded eau de town on day 1 and players I thought could read me fairly well weren't at all sure about me. But, once TSO flipped, I could see someone discerning I was his mason partner from our early interactions. Nacho and TSO did the same thing though I don't think it was quite as obvious.

Neither of us are reputed to be all that easy to read, and Nacho in particular tends to pick up bonus paranoia points for continuing to breathe.

So, that long-lived townread from NS worries me a tad.

These long posts. I need a beer.

[fferyllt]

I thought his early posts looked town at the time, and I felt like I could see his reasoning for vote changing and for most if not all his stances during the first half of day 1.

At the point where he switched from you to ika, you had just been pushed to 5 votes by tiershift, and f-16 was sitting at 4 votes. On page 3, I think.

The thing about the post restriction at the time struck me as town because I was still getting a feel for how I wanted to play with my own post restriction several pages later. On the other hand, of all the things to comment on, a comment about how it affected his own posting - and only that - feels a little premature and a little self-conscious, maybe. Nothing about the actual game-affecting aspects of everyone's restrictions.

I'm wondering right now how the use of PRs in lieu of content is going to map to player alignments when the game is over.

Nothing wrong with the occasional razzle dazzle once the ball is snapped. Maybe.

[fferyllt]

No.

You're not the quarterback. You're not calling all the plays.

[fferyllt]

I'm wondering right now how the use of PRs in lieu of content is going to map to player alignments when the game is over.

I think that brantz and f-16 put content into their posts. Not tons, but it was there. f-16's play was initially high volume without saying much, just pushing/proxying to nacho.

ika was straight up zero-content like he didn't want the refs to notice a 12th man on the field.

So, for the most part, players I was griping about letting their posting restrictions obscure their play have flipped town.

[fferyllt]

AUGH.

NO.

We are not treating an RVS wagon like a fucking oracle.

SCUMHUNT.

With or without beer goggles.

[fferyllt]

Where our methologies point to similar answers, I won't fight you.

But, your insistence that this is some sort of sure fire slam dunk makes every brain cell in my head scream for a policy lynch.

If mafia could be reduced to something this simple, people would have stopped playing the game years ago out of sheer boredom.

So enough with the end zone victory dancing. This game isn't over.

[fferyllt]

CDB if your reads and shit haven't hit the game thread within 24 hours I'm putting my vote down anyway.

There are flags down all over the field for this delay of game.

[fferyllt]

And I'm saying that RIGHT NOW based on overall behaviors I see NS as more likely scum than UT's slot.

Unless that changes my lynch preference is CDB, then NS, then UT.

We are not reaching the same conclusion.

Which is starting to make me question whether we're wearing the same color jerseys.

I could use a plate of buffalo wings about now.

[fferyllt]

Done talking with you.

Assume I disagree with your UT read in perpetuity unless I say otherwise.

These huddles aren't leading to plays I feel good about.

[fferyllt]

UT's slot was inactive for the latter half of day 1. It was a sitewide flake and notsci replaced out of several games, including a newbie game where he was the IC and a town PR. However, t-bone hammered the ika wagon, so you're spewing non-facts as well nonsense.

I've seen better play in Pop Warner leagues teams

[fferyllt]

Except the slot had been completely inactive.

You can't be called offsides when you're not even on the field.

[fferyllt]

I like that your townbloc doesn't include the claimed mason. :/

It's like you don't even know what jersey you're wearing on what endzone you're defending.

[fferyllt]

This also means I won't be voting until I'm ready to see you hammer jsyk.

Not that it's a quarterback sneak, exactly, but you're removing my ability to use my vote for pressure in some cases.

Thanks!

[fferyllt]

You're in my townblock sweety. You just are
not in my voting block because you seem to think rats (scum) are cats (town). If you agreed only to vote UT or CDB, you'd be in the vote block.

IF you didn't thinik mafia games are so simplistic (and boring) that nobody would bother playing them, I'd probably call you something resembling town and trustworthy.

As it is, I'm sorry the coach called you in off the bench.

[fferyllt]

Did I say mafia was simplistic and boring? Nope. That doesn't mean I can't use my own townclears to solve the game. Would you say mafia was boring because you had strong behavorial skills? Nope. You would call yourself good at mafia. I just work in a different realm.

I am sorry the barking dogs are getting loud again and obscuring your vision.

No, you're saying this game is solvable with one RVS vca because

scum would never all vote one of their number in RVS

. You have no basis for making that statement.

I don't think my reads are infallible, and I don't think mafia is a game easily solved.

I recognize fully that my chex mix bowl is a stand-in for a cracked crystal ball.

The fact that you'll ally like this with someone who has QUICKHAMMERED TWICE in this game is pretty terrifying.


CDB you should consider my vote as being functionally on you. I had half-planned onputting it down about now if you hadn't made your appearance with a reads list yet.

Which you didn't.

[fferyllt]

Say we chainlynch cdb and ut and the game doesn't end.

What do you do next?

give me the play by play here.

[fferyllt]

Say we chainlynch cdb and ut and the game doesn't end.

What do you do next?

give me the play by play here.

Lynch AP.

He would be the only other possible candidate.

I am presuming you and Boo would be dead because I would not vote you two.

That would be as dumb as a chicken trying to eat a wolf by laying an egg.

Since there's no way you could browbeat me any better tomorrow or the next day, I kinda expect that to be the case.

I'm townreading AP a hell of a lot more strongly than I am NS.

I really don't want you at lylo.

:/

It's not looking good for town if this game goes into overtime.

[fferyllt]

See, if UT and CDB both flip town then you should be wondering if I was right about NS, not deciding you want to lynch one of my strongest remaining townreads. And Nacho's strongest remaining read, too.

But, that's not even on the table with you. You're not who I'd want calling the plays in the final seconds here. :/

[fferyllt]

AP, Boo, I want to know what you guys will do if there's a day 6.

Tell me what your scrimmage plays will be.

[fferyllt]

I know what I need to know about your intentions, Titus.

nothing but too-salty crumbs in that bowl.

[fferyllt]

I know what I need to know about your intentions, Titus.

nothing but too-salty crumbs in that bowl.

[fferyllt]

you have no business calling anyone too proud. not with that coating of pretzel crumbs you've rolled in.

[fferyllt]

If you're town, I'm going to make every effort not to share a starting line up with you in the future. I hope you'll do the same.

[fferyllt]

You've already been wrong - asserted with vehemence and vitriol that BRantz was town and insulted the players who voted him. You could be wrong again. It's the uncritical certainty that scares me about you. I utterly hate that I"m even thinking about removing a townread at this point in the game but you scare me with your lack of self-critique even in this game where your analysis has been no better than anyone else's so far.

When I'm dead I hope you run a few reels of play reviews before deciding what you do next.

[fferyllt]

That said, I really can't make myself policy lynch. Not this time. No promises in the future if we ever play together again.

That's a chex mix bowl I'd just as soon not stare into again.

[fferyllt]

By my count we have 7.5 days left to day 5 or something around there.

I'm going to vote CDB within 24 hours if he doesn't post before then. I hope the game ends with that. I don't care who does the end zone victory dance if it does.

Boo, the thing that worries me is that CDB played a really strong scum game in Recks game and arguably carried the scum team to that win.

I can't see anything like that kind of effort here. It could be exhaustion after a terrific effort, I guess.

[fferyllt]

I've called a time out on the field until bookitty's is back.

[fferyllt]

I really don't know UT's play that well. Nacho thought his entrance looked a little town. We were both townreading notsci, though that tenuous townfeel from early/mid day 1 is scary to base bet the game on. What is it about his posting today that concerns you? The main thing I don't like is his complete lack of scumhunting. His play feels very reactive.

CDB perplexes me. He essentially walked off the field in what? apathy? during the 4th quarter. That's how it feels. I can see scum-CDB thinking the game is lost and why put any effort into it I guess? But it doesn't seem like something he'd actually do.

I think if NS is scum then obviously titus will be in lylo. probably with you.

You have my sympathy and best wishes. :/

[fferyllt]

CDB hasn't posted in 4 days. In his last post he was going to throw some content down within 24 hours.

UT and NS are approaching 2 days.

You have a point. However, I dunno about UT but NS providing low content in a game is nothing new and not really alignment indicative.

What does it mean when CDB disconnects from a game like this? Do you know?

I wish I were at the North Coast Brewing Company about now. An Old Rasputin wouldn't go amiss.

[fferyllt]

Hello. Given my defence of BRantz and my lesser degree of engagement in this game than some other players, I'm fully expecting to be lynched Today and, given that there's probably only one scum left, I'm not going to worry too much about letting you guys get that out of the way, as there's a good chance that I'd be dragged along to LyLo from here.

I certainly want to nail down who I think the last scum is before I die, though, so a little time would be appreciated.

I dunno. I thought he was taking it pretty seriously. He seems to acknowledge here that a goal line defense would probably be futile.

[fferyllt]

You realize that I'm doing the same thing?

Not that I'll be around for it, but I'm trying to line up lynches and send colonists into the future.

I need another beer.

[fferyllt]

I kinda don't think scum-Titus would be trying so hard to piss me off today. I think a scum agenda would have been better served by letting me lead a mislynch and then killing me tonight. Because there's a small but measurable chance that I would have snapped and decided to see if I could get her lynched today.

Pretty sure there would be flags on that play, though!

[fferyllt]

Bookitty if we're wrong about CDB then who do you think should be lynched tomorrow? It's a smaller team taking the field in the next quarter.

[fferyllt]

cargo cult.

It's even flavor relevant because Wilson the soccer ball.

[fferyllt]

It's in the right game. I'm on the right playing field and I know which endzone is mine.

You should read wikipedia's page on cargo cult.

[fferyllt]

I thought that was a claim in another game.

There is no logical fallacy. I am not claiming that the mod suddenly gives ns a town pm because of the prior flip in the game. That would be asinine. I am not stating causality.

Much like the rooster crowing does not cause the sun to come up. Yet, the odds are pretty good that the rooster crowing is due to the sun being about to come up rather than a pig charging with an electric cattle prod.

Here, the votes do not cause NS to be town but I can know NS to be town anyway. There is no pig with a cattle prod.

No your claim goes more like "this random thing happened once in a game and the player I thought was scum WAS SCUM. Therefore any time this random thing happens, then the player I think is scum will be scum".

a whole crate full of soccer balls worth of cargo cult. You can call them Wilson.

[fferyllt]

It's one moment in a game that goes on for four quarters and possible overtime. It's a fleeting early wagon. I'm not going to buy this in this game. And I fully expect it to be subverted in the not too distant future if it isn't/hasn't already been. It's iminently subvertible because it's a meaningless event, especially early day one.

I'm going to care about players' motivations and their body of work. Not about one vote count in a months long game.

[fferyllt]

And you won't think for a moment about why you're at lylo with NS-slot and someone else, either.

I'm seriously squicked about this and I hate wearing the same team colors because you're talking pure cargo cult and nothing other than eventual abject failure will ever convince you otherwise. And then you'll no doubt latch onto some other random event or data point as your next stanley cup winning strategy.

I'll have more to say in postgame. I think it would be best if we stopped interacting while the game is on.

[fferyllt]

Are you still set on CDB Today ffery? This game Day feels as long and empty as my large intestine. If we keep at this rate, I don't know if anything useful will happen. We can wait for NS replacement to get here and generate content maybe.

Titus has become my preferred lynch. If she is scum, then great. I'm done giving her any town points for the BRantz behavior, frankly everything that has happened Today is insane and she is at the center of the maelstrom. BooKitty and UT both think titus is fishy. CDB is awol and NS is getting replaced, so who knows about them. UT has been flirty with me at least and I like that. I'm begrudgingly back to holding my ground on the booKitty townread.

If titus is town then I think her convictions are likely to get me mislynched in lylo should we get there anyhow.


So if you would like to make a punt and lynch CDB, let me know and I'll back it. Right now, I'm thinking a blitz on Titus might yield mroe results.

I don't think she's scum. voting her would be purely on the basis of colonizing lylo with someone who might be willing to look at the game in its entirety.

Maybe the farm leagues will send up a star player for NS' slot.

[fferyllt]

AP, I feel like cdb and ut both are playing/not playing in a way that can fit the mold of standing aside and letting town tear itself apart.

I think that's a way of playing scum that is mostly alien to you.

Can you see this day as a sort of faked pass? It can't really be a razzle dazzle play because there are a bunch of mislynches that have to happen, and the last scum's hands need to be clean as possible to the end.

This is where I started the game day, and I think it's where I'm ending it.

[fferyllt]

titus, srsly just stop talking to me for a while. Your arguments are having the complete opposite effect of what you're trying to accomplish.

There are other pretzels in my chex mix bowl that I'm still thinking about and the discussion with you has become pure distraction.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: CDB

no spring training camp for you.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE

gm, I doubt there's much that could change my mind.

sit down and have a beer.

[fferyllt]

Did our flipped masons claim mason with ffery or did that come after their death? It would definitely help me reading this game knowing she is confirmed town.

We decided not to crumb. Nacho and I figured that TSO would be the mason who went deep into the game, so both of us set up early day 1 interactions with TSO that he could point to later.

Sadly, he fumbled a few posts wrt to his posting restriction, and was ejected from the game.

So, here I am, drinking sad beer about it.

It is pretty weird that that quote cropped up when you said you hadn't read the game yet.

It's like a strand of spaghetti on top of a gluten-free pizza: out of place.

Yeah it is.

I have a favor to ask.

Let me hammer today.

I am going to spend most of Wednesday (tomorrow) flying to Florida. There's something I want to point out before the game day ends, but right now I want to wait until the last minute, in case this lynch doesn't win it.

[fferyllt]

So we don't have confirmation that you are a mason?

No you don't. It would amuse me greatly for you to try and make something of that. Some fumbles are funnier than others.

[fferyllt]

UT's fade has landed him back in my 2nd favorite lynch position.

GM, don't fuck around. Nacho's last words in our mason thread were that your slot should be the next lynch. I'm strongly inclined to honor that on my way to the locker room.

[fferyllt]

UT's fade has landed him back in my 2nd favorite lynch position.

GM, don't fuck around. Nacho's last words in our mason thread were that your slot should be the next lynch. I'm strongly inclined to honor that on my way to the locker room.

Why would GM scum come in and piss off the mason? GM rarely pisses anyone off as scum due to being afraid of messing up.

Do you think Gm did anything to piss anyone off? She and Egg both doubted the mason claim lightly. Is your stomach suddenly churning because you think shes town? I dont see why that would be so weird for you since you think its UT anyhow.

I think GM is town. Sorry ffery. If you want to lynch that slot, I will support it, but I think GM is a townie.

The only condition to my aid is that I reserve the right to be upset if I end up in lylo with Egg and Titus.

So you feel that her entrance and posts so far are town?

I need to see her call a few plays from the huddle before I can judge usually.

I don't know how close to deadline we are. my travel starts tomorrow at about 9:30 am eastern time and I'll hopefully have some level of access at the airport and on the planes.

I know you want an egg-slot lynch, but although titus' level of certainty about that slot makes me despair because she'll never reconsider, it's not my strongest scumread, and in fact I've leaned town most of the game.

[fferyllt]

I'll probably finish reading tomorrow because, much like the time I fell down three flights of stairs and ended up in the hospital, I feel a bit tired and will have plenty of time upon waking up.

Ffery is unlikely to gambit so heavily as scum though and I don't see how a mason claim here benefits scumffery here.

Claiming Mason when two Masons are dead and plenty of other PRs are also dead isn't such a heavy gambit. An un-CC'd Mason claim cements ffery as Town to you, for instance.

Yes, Pinnipedium was that one.

I haven't read ffery yet though. I'll figure it out eventually. Or die. Probably die.

Titus weirds me out a little so far, but that's pretty much every game with Titus so...
I'm feeling OK about ffery and AP based on everything since I've replaced in, but that too is subject to change when I actually read.

There is no plenty of other dead PRs. There is one other dead PR. Tiershift was jailkeeper.

When we saw the size of our masonry relative to the player list size we figured no investigative roles at the very least.

I doubt the mods were wearing beer goggles when they balanced the game.

[fferyllt]

there isn't enough beer in the world to make lynching ap look like a good idea today. same with bookitty.

[fferyllt]

no. . flag. on the play

[fferyllt]

later. travel day.

timeout on the field.

you'll have to wait until I'm dead before you get to lynch my town reads.

[fferyllt]

illogical desire to vote titus rising.

don't make a bad snap the right call plz guys.

that was a terrible time to bus. fake claims and crumbs are much more ap's stock in trade as scum than totally unnecessary bussing.

[fferyllt]

nacho no longer suspected ap before the end of day 1 iirc. deflated football is deflated. you absolutely can't claim any support from nacho to lynch ap. I'm not going to argue this on a tablet.

[fferyllt]

I'm here. Exhausted.

I need to read through the last day or so's worth of posts.

My on-the-plane impression of GM so far is decidedly unimpressed. Maybe I'll feel differently on a reread.

I absolutely will not vote AP. If GM has actually redeemed her slot then I'd want to look to UT or NS/egg.

I feel like the number of late-game replacements of concerning slots has made this game more difficult to figure out.

I'd like to sit down and do this with a good porter or stout, but tomorrow's going to be hell.

[fferyllt]

bookitty what caused your mind to change about AP?

[fferyllt]

titus is voting you, right? She said she'd join titus.

I'm really confused because i thought she was townreading you now.

I didn't drink that porter, so it's not beer goggles confusion.

[fferyllt]

AP had ihis vote on BRantz before Nacho did iirc.

VOTE GoodMorning

I am horribly busy today, but will follow by phone and check in when I can. I'm willing to move to UT if necessary to get a lynch.

Now for some espresso stout.

[fferyllt]

no amount of beer will convince me to vote ap today. i'll move to ut or egg if I must. preferably ut.

moving day. Will check back in a few hours. phoneposting. no idea when Comcast will get internet access to my grandmother's condo.

[fferyllt]

Is that a lynch?

I would be paranoid about AP but I trust Nacho's read and I hope you guys give serious consideration to UT and Egg tomorrow.

It's likely my last day on the playing field and I sincerely hope we end the game with this lynch.

[fferyllt]

Very off. offsides off.

AP? Thoughts?

[fferyllt]

This doesn't change that UT or AP should be the lynch but something's off here.

nah, don't adjust your reads because of the changing game environment

just keep pushing those mislynches

:/

[fferyllt]

Here's where I am, paranoia evident like the ketchup stains on my Keds.

Fferyllt: Why is she still alive? Could I be wrong about her? I surely have been before, and she's for sure smart enough to fool me. Still townreading this -- I think the paranoia may be deliberately induced.

Titus: She could be buddying me. I need to reread and think more about this. I am not surprised she wasn't nightkilled; I'm surprised Ffery wasn't.

Untrod Tripod: I was fine with him until he said "Boo would want you around." Why would I want Titus around, UT? Can you explain that to me?

AngryPidgeon: I don't know. The Egg thing is a little obvious imo if he's actually scum. I also need to think about this more.

Is this one of those situations where you're supposed to No Lynch and see what happens tomorrow? We know there is just one scum left, so is that the right move now? (It's not a rhetorical question, I've never understood the criteria that have to apply for no-lynch to be the right move and I'm sincerely asking now.)

Assuming one scum, it's one day too soon to consider no lynch by my rules of thumb.

I may be able to fool you - it's debatable that I'll fool you easily again anytime soon. I absolutely can't fool nacho for the number of game days we were in the game together. I've done that to him once, and I doubt it will happen again in the foreseeable future. The main reason he and I didn't dance even a tiny bit in this game is because we didn't have to figure each other out.

But, I'm utterly confident that my play has not only been transparently town, it's been transparently masons-with-nacho-and-TSO from our earliest interactions. If you go back and look you'll see that Nacho and I both gave in-thread handshakes to TSO. We expected him to be the mason who went the furthest in the game and we wanted him to have something to point back to. The irony is not lost on me.

If you guys want to lose your minds and lynch me, do it today. I will not be a pleasant person to deal with if you try to mislynch me in mylo and I hate eating penalty yards.

[fferyllt]

that said, I'm confused as hell to be alive and egg dead. I'm still trying to figure out what sort of scum strategy made that an optimal choice.

[fferyllt]

I want to look at day 5 plays that should have drawn penalty flags.

I started this earlier but lost wifi before I was finished and basically have to start over.

I have a probably crackpot theory but I need to see what the data says.

[fferyllt]

you seriously underestimate the extremes of paranloia I experience in LYLO.

Sudden death overtime is a whole new game.

[fferyllt]

I'm mentally coming back to this game right now as I type. Given the amount of time what I want to do (again) will take, I've been putting it off until I had a decent chunk of time when I'm not half asleep or or wearing beer goggles.

The time is approximately now.

[fferyllt]

was that a hammer?

ffs I've been hours working on this goddamn post.

[fferyllt]

no more formatting you guys can count them up for yourselves.

Spoiler:

My Day 5 PR violations:

I have good reason to be suspicious of CDB, as Ffery can verify.

as I'd like for you to look at the posts f16 made about no and BRantz voting him. cdb called out those posts specifically in his ns scum case.

I wish I had a better handle on his scum game. Hoped I would after Reck's game, but I dunno.

I'm basically pinning my UT read on how I felt about notsci while he was active. I don't know if that's a good thing to do or not. I felt like I was talking to town in all our interactions.

As scum he could have feigned his usual town paranoia about nacho and me for months without raising my eyebrow. He didn't do that. He also didn't do his "I'm obvtown" thing nearly as emphatically as he usually does.

Nacho liked UT's entrance when he replaced in.

as I'd like for you to look at the posts f16 made about no and BRantz voting him. cdb called out those posts specifically in his ns scum case.

bookitty what caused your mind to change about AP?

Bookitty, which would bleed more players? Town with one scum left or scum with one scum left?

VOTE: UT

Pretty sure AP, Bookitty and FFery are all town.

Hello. Given my defence of BRantz and my lesser degree of engagement in this game than some other players, I'm fully expecting to be lynched Today and, given that there's probably only one scum left, I'm not going to worry too much about letting you guys get that out of the way, as there's a good chance that I'd be dragged along to LyLo from here.

I certainly want to nail down who I think the last scum is before I die, though, so a little time would be appreciated.

Okay, with the caveat that I'm not the greatest scumhunter, I am thinking this is UT-town.

I'm thinking it strongly enough that it overrules what I was thinking about T-bone.

So there's that.

UT, have some buffalo wings.who do you think is scum?

to be 100 with you I didn't really read the game yesterday. I assumed that people had it pretty much figured out so I was just like yeah we'll do what you want

I guess I need to tonight, since apparently we don't have it sewn up quite yet

at the moment I'm thinking Titus is a decent pick but need to read etc.

okay so I'm about to get in a car to drive to pittsburgh to get my d wet

but

I promised some reads and here's what I have at the moment:

gun to my head I don't like CDB and Titus the last couple of days. CDB's resignation seems scummy to me, as does Titus's attempt to chainlynch based off POE. It seems to me like she just sorta picked some communal meh/scumreads and is trying to convince the town to off all of them for her so it's easier to ride out the end of this game

when I replaced in I looked at my role PM then at the state of the game and said "oh, we pretty much have this sewn up, I can just hop on the consensus scum pick (who was acting pretty scummy from where I was sitting) and pick up the win. I've been doing midterms and a recital etc over the past weekish, so I was really content to let the rest of my team handle the heavy lifting

obviously it didn't happen that way, but that's the cause for my total lack of prep

and honestly boo I thought you were the last mason, so ffer claiming that makes me super happy to have two really strong townreads to bounce ideas off of

I've reread the first 23 pages looking for people who knew that F-16, ika and BRantz were scum, and signs of who those three knew was the (likely) fourth. I'm not stopping here, but I am writing up my notes now as I'll be out this evening and I don't know if I'll be all done before I have to go.

People I'm ruling out as a buddy

Bookitty:

Went after F-16 early and intelligently. F-16 tried to cast doubt on her during his big series of reads posts, which I don't think he would do to a buddy given that there wasn't any suspicion on her. Bookitty went in hard on F-16 again. Near end of Day 1, focuses on ika and BRantz specifically as two clear suspects - doesn't make sense for a buddy.

ffery:

Did scum get pregame talk? If so, I think ffery not knowing F-16's post restriction is a town tell. F-16 looks like he's trying to manipulate ffery by calling her town and then playing off her predicted reaction to it. Generally ffery seems inquisitive re: F-16 in encouraging ways, later puts ika in a pile of people who should be dealt with.

I also think that the way in which both BRantz and ika put both Bookitty and ffery as solid townreads in their reads lists is kind of an admission that there's no point trying to get anywhere on them.

--

In this first half of the game, the only one of the remaining four candidates to make a serious impression on the game is AP, and I'm also fairly happy that he's town.

AngryPidgeon:

Listed here a few townreads, none of whom are scum ... from what I remember, he does like to call at least one buddy town, which makes this a townping for me. BRantz null-towned AP but in a way that looks like he just wants a bit of room to vote him later if needs be.

--

UT's slot is the one on whom I got the fewest notes in this period. It's all notscience over this time, and there's not a great deal of interaction either way with the flipped scum. I thought it was interesting that BRantz positioned himself in such a way that he wouldn't vote for UT until after 'a Katsuki scumflip', which is the sort of thing that I've done to protect a buddy in the past. Here notscience rather half-heartedly scumreads ika, and also has a pretty unexciting townish read on BRantz. So at this point I'm seeing more reasons to suspect UT than not.

There's almost nothing of Titus's slot while Skrew is in the game. I found his peripheral activity as scummy on reread as I did when I voted for him on Day 1, and the fact that both F-16 and BRantz somewhat spuriously voted for Skrew is also suspicious. Titus does eventually land on an ika vote after replacing in but I still think the entrance is weird and I still find her manipulation of me re: my ika suspicion skeevy.

There's definitely also reason to suspect NS. Look at how F-16 treats his BRantz buddy here - while his previous reads posts have been a lot of definite 'I have a scum read for this' or 'town read for that', he doesn't get definite on BRantz, only asking for explanations for things. His NS post follows the same pattern, seeking clarification and wondering out loud rather than actually taking a stance either way. I also think that NS's approach to the Bookitty-F16 debate is a strange one, focusing only on Bookitty and on a weird note of 'communication issues' ... really? I didn't notice a serious one. BRantz also townreads NS pretty unimpressively for a lame post.

--

While acknowledging that I still need to reread over a third of the game, I'd be tempted to vote for all of the above. Given Titus's heavy push on ika after replacing in, I feel like I'd rather not leave that WIFOM over whether or not she'd do that to a buddy until LyLo so my instinct is that we should start there of the three plausible scum. But I'm also pretty proud of my point about how F-16 treated both BRantz and NS so maaaaybe I'd say that NS is actually the likeliest scum. But it's not a strong preference.

The rest coming either later tonight or tomorrow.

Proddodge

I'm visiting my girlfriend right now, so I really don't want to just halfheartedly comment on things I haven't read yet

V sorry. Plz b patient

@Ffery: Sorry for not being here, I'll do my best to keep current on this now. I am 100% on you being town. I thought you might be a mason before you claimed it and I am even more sure now. I am fairly ready to write Titus off as town. She sounds genuine and if she is scum then she has really been throwing herself out there in an impressive way that I think is unlikely. So I probably won't be looking at her this game.

That leaves NS, CDB, UT, Bookitty which is an unfortunately long list of people that I'm not ready to write off. I know I've been calling BooKitty town all game, but I'm sort of at a loss here. I saw some sentiments from UT and CDB that made me want to townread them. NS is.....NS. He has been kind of disjoint from the game and I've been wanting to think hes town for that in a broad sense because he seems to be following his own logic and not responding to what others are doing. Im a little baffled that he still thinks Im scum after the BRantz thing. I realize that I was waffling on BRantz towards the end, but I feel totally fine saying that my interaction with BRantz were hilariously town and not seeing that is weird on some level to me.

UT complaining about his predecessors felt genuine to me in some way. CDB saying that he knew he was going to be lynched made me a little edgy (I think Titus also commented on this), but I did sort of like his follow up post. I'm trying to determine how I feel about his read on Ffery. I find it weird that he just didn't comment on the mason claim there at all, which to me basically turned her into a 100% townread but I was townreading her pretty consistently this game, so it was just building on that I guess. Maybe the claim is less relevant to other people; still curious what CDB thinks about it though. I mean obviously I expect that he believes it if hes townreading her, but ya.

I think I'm leaning towards voting NS?

@AP, I would think more that F16 was trying to steer and control a townie. I tend to like having a "townbeard" as scum, although I couldn't get one too strong in Hilariously Unbalanced. That type of relationship makes sense. Plus, they wanted to disable the wagon on F16, dominating the town is a good place to start. If the townies don't jump onto a scum wagon, scum rarely continue a bus on multiple days.

F16 kept pushing a block that had NS with a scumbuddy, same with Boo. The dominance is there. They only need one scum to whisper sweet nothings.

I don't see anything townie on UT's posts.

I would be fine with a CDB lynch, but only because it would confirm UT as the last scum from my perspective.

Ugh fine lets go back to this

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Nobody Special

Ffery, I wanna say I am feeling a little bit of clarity right now and I 100% agree with the points you made for town-Titus. The bit about WKing BRantz occurred to me. I have had vague paranoia about "what if Titus is just playing a really fantastic scumgame and is one step ahead of me all game", but the people I feel that about rather exclusively end up flipping town by and large.

I'm basically waiting for UT to make his catch-up post, and then I'll decide where my vote goes.

@fferylt, Regarding townreading me...whatever. I can't make a townread to save myself.

The trajectories and bullshit is how scum try to wifom. The only way Boo or NS could be scum is if F16 deliberately got himself modkilled to throw off wagon analysis.

My analysis does not need post based trajectories. It never has. Those bog me down in politics and in fighting. Those only get applied to the facts themselves. Behavioral analysis is my weakest point. So I come up with methods where I do not need it.

Right. That's accurate generally. I didn't go through the checklist and say which were useful and which weren't. Timing is. That's the whole looking at who is voting and when. Associations are again derived through long term. I even used tone a bit when commenting with TBone earlier due to his whitenighting on NS.

Reasoning is basically an outlet for charisma. So that one I don't use. Scum always have a reason not to bus.

Placement is actually a much weaker factor.

I would argue that since we have lynches to burn, NS is a good LOLIDK lynch if we find that we're out of ideas

because let's be real here

come on girl. Christopher Nolan writes more believable narratives

Hey my lips are quivering here. I like Nolan movies.

I agree that vca is pretty out the window this game. It's fairly clear to me that scum have been playing a bit creatively this game. Like that early wagon on f16.

Ffery, which statement do you disagree with?

1) 3 scum on F16 is ridiculous when other wagons were also at 4. Thus NS and Bookitty are clear.
2) You are a mason and thus clear.
3) AP leading a lynch on Brantz strongly clears him but not confirmed.
4) My leading ika lynch means the same boat.

After that list, it's CDB and UT who are left trying to look town like horses trying to look like zebras.

I strongly disagree with the first assertion? F16 was acting like a scummy butt and scum was clearly just doing whatever they wanted. The fact that two scum were seen lolwagoning F16 should make you think that the entire thing is deliberate and not to be read into for risk of falling into a trap.

I more or less agree with the other points.

As near as I can tell your vca is shallow. You've said nothing about the trajectories leading to where players were positionally and temporally on wagons.

Also, this. Of all the places to look for information, an early game RVS-ish troll wagon on a guy who was acting rather blatantly scummy is not one of them.

@fferyllt: What did you and Nacho think about notscience? I loosely feel town from the slot but I've still never actually encountered him-scum before. I think he still has the most readable posts in the thread for that slot, which is unfortunate. My throat is getting itchy just thinking about that.

Scum always have a reason not to bus.

What does this even mean? What reason?

You have to approach the game realizing that some people KNOW they are being analyzed and will do seemingly random things to avoid getting caught. Like bus spontaneously. I'm not saying that you can't read into actions or votes ever, I'm saying that using a singular troll wagon to divine 2 townreads from is pretty shortsighted.

Anticipating my prod, been on a couch for two days thinking of almost everything other than this game. My read will probably be finished tomorrow; I can remember being put off by Titus's response to my latest so I'll try to address that in the meantime.

If you are town, F16 was the only scum wagon in post 94. Because of that, there could not have been dualing scum wagons. Therefore Bookitty and NS are town.

@Ffery, ika is notorious for quickhammering. That does not mean ika is scum when he does it. So why does NS be the boogeyman when he adopts said style?

Oh and yes, I commonly rely on VCA without even reading sometimes.

My VCA is much more accurate than behavioral anslysis.

An insane woman does the same thing expecting a different result.

Going behavioral at end game = town loss

VCA at end game = town wi

I am done chasing my tail.

I don't think you've been paying attention

Titus is literally incapable of being wrong

she's like the Pope or something, except instead of being the head of the catholic church, it's some kind of weird VCA related cult

You've already been wrong - asserted with vehemence and vitriol that BRantz was town and insulted the players who voted him. You could be wrong again. It's the uncritical certainty that scares me about you. I utterly hate that I"m even thinking about removing a townread at this point in the game but you scare me with your lack of self-critique even in this game where your analysis has been no better than anyone else's so far.

When I'm dead I hope you run a few reels of play reviews before deciding what you do next.

Right. I was wrong. I used that info to reevaluate, stop using my behavioral analysis and get back to what I use best. Data.

Funny, you are using the same facts I wanted to use to lynch NS when I was tunnelling him yet you know one of my reads was wrong?

you have no business calling anyone too proud. not with that coating of pretzel crumbs you've rolled in.

When I win this for us, you will eat your words like a dog eats a bone.

Oh my god. The stupidest thing is that I think you both want to lynch CDB. Sooooo ya.

*clears throat*

That seems a little bit ridiculous to be saying this. I want to scumread you off of how purely insane you have been this game Day but that is bad policy.

Congratulations, you've managed to give me reservations about everyone alive in this game. Well, yourself, but you were my one surefire townread going into this.

@ffery: I don't know what my plan would be going forward. It would probably depend on who gets NK'd/lynched. Actually you are pretty much dead next night in all probability so I could plan around that. I don't want to though. There is a fair chance I will try to lynch NS tomorrow if we lynch CDB/UT Today. I'd much rather have to be in lylo with something other than scum-NS and town-Titus. Because that would be crappy.

CDB has been uninspiring except for one burst of activity that was ok. UT is sidelining a bit, still waiting for him to do something other than sheep muffin or berate Titus. BooKitty is someone I need to pay a little more attention to because I never fully resolved my read on that slot after what happened since the BRantz lynch.

>>> INFRACTION

UTs drive by posting

what do you mean by drive by posting, exactly?

I was VLA for some of earlier, and I also mostly didn't want to deal with Titus' wordvomit and no one else was really posting

The main thing I don't like is his complete lack of scumhunting

I think Titus is scum. I can also see NS as scum, but as I said earlier I feel like Titus is trying to line up dominos to knock down all through LyLo, which really bugs me

I think the wagon on Nacho is abysmal. It makes me feel ucky, like when tacos drip all over your hand while you're eating them and then you don't notice and get a giant smear down your favourite blouse.

Falcon seems pretty conflicted about whether he wants Nacho dead or wants to sheep him. While sheep can be pretty tasty as part of a balanced diet, I think it's an odd choice at this point for Falcon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Falcon

@Espe: Stop talking about my rack


of lamb.

That logic that myself and GM are confirmed town is worse than the cheap DJ my parents want for my wedding.

If scum decided to bus, it wouldn't surprise me if they went hard.

Not having read the game yet though, I have no strong opinion on Bookitty yet.

Did our flipped masons claim mason with ffery or did that come after their death? It would definitely help me reading this game knowing she is confirmed town.

@Egg, AP oversimplies it but yes you and Boo are confirmed town from my perspective. So if you just hurry up and obvtown we can move on with the assumption I was right. K thx. Trust late game VCA magic. This game will be game 5 that my reads are right.

Note: AP's scumread increased the more I stopped the wagon on your slot as if UT and CDB (now gm) are both town, he has to be scum.

It's most likely GM.

Ok, let's start with the early wagon. It's well out of random voting stage, as evidenced by the non vc quotes I have included. AP's wagon is all town but for the possibility of CDB (unless you scumread me).

Brantz peels off to vote Tier. Tier is later night shot. NS follows Brantz, scum tend not to follow that closely to each other. Bookitty peels off to vote ika, another scum. That's indicative of Bookitty not bussing. Combined with two flipped scum already on F16, the likelihood of one of them being scum is astronomically low.

We turn today 2.

Spoiler: forgotten post

@AP, ika's meta is to literally lurk the game away as scum. No amount of scumlynches will change that. He views it as our job to make him play.

I don't think I've ever seen him as scum before. He is generally active as town. Still, activity-tells make my stomach sick. I don't think hes intentionally lurking at least, he looks genuinely apathetic. Which could be more likely from him as scum, but his interactions with F16 make me think town.

Ya I'll reread F16 posts soon. After the gym.

P-edit: I mostly mean that I need to form a read on you. Sleepy lurked his way out of the game and your slot is kind of in the spotlight. Your Ika push makes complete sense to me.

Day two was mostly my slot v ika. I fought to lynch ika. AP defends ika.
CDB was dragged hemming and hawing. NS hammered. Bookitty was all of that early.

Espeonage was a quick lynch with AP at the front which was stupid.
Then we had the lynch of Muffin without an articulated case before ai could post. Seriously that was stupid.

Then its Brantz vs NS. I vehmently argued Brantz was town leading to this VCA.So, I knew one of my behavioral reads had to be wrong. When that happens, I go back to what never fails me. The data.

My confirmed town based on voting alone have never been wrong in 4 games doing this now unless scum wagoned each other. I don't see that.

I need to look deeper at the end of the day when Brantz was lynched tosee how much credit to give AP for that.

Espeonage was a quick lynch with AP at the front which was stupid.

did you just accuse me of wanting to lynch Esp?

Espeonage (7): ChannelDeliBird, Nachomamma8, TierShift, BRantz, BooKitty, Muffin, Nobody Special
Titus (1): beastcharizard,
CDB (1): , AngryPidgeon,
AngryPidgeon (1): Titus

I was nowhere near the espeonage wagon and I called him town more than once.

Sorry, I got the muffin and Esp wagons confused for a second. Both wagons were fast and stupid.

UT's fade has landed him back in my 2nd favorite lynch position.

GM, don't fuck around. Nacho's last words in our mason thread were that your slot should be the next lynch. I'm strongly inclined to honor that on my way to the locker room.

Why would GM scum come in and piss off the mason? GM rarely pisses anyone off as scum due to being afraid of messing up.

titus is voting you, right? She said she'd join titus.

I'm really confused because i thought she was townreading you now.

I didn't drink that porter, so it's not beer goggles confusion.

I was scumreading AP until the Brantz lynch. Then I was townreading AP until I looked at the votes and kills.

I'll self vote to avoid a no lynch.

I'm not going to let this town succumb to an upset stomach.

(Im fine with lynching UT too fwiw)

Not to rain spaghetti on your delightful smorgasbord, but this won't help. There are three votes on GoodMorning and only one on you that I see.

Egg voted AP.

UT or AP. I will no lynch if I have to.

Boo, the AtE from AP served its purpose, to get you to not lynch him. I pribably should lynch goodmorning here but I am frustrated by perpetually being ignored.

What the hell, Egg and I will lynch AP. Bookitty can lynch AP, we can get an AP lynch tomorriw.

VOTE: GM

Tommorrow AP.

[fferyllt]

my theory was that scum didn't report all the town posting violations because they were vulnerable to retaliation.

And I didn't think AP would do it no matter what because of the argument with T S O on day 1.

which means scum are in (titus, me, UT).

ergo ut is scum.