UnCouTh mAfia - [UnCouTh eNding]

[BRantz]

no guys we should all chill out and go to the beach and look at the ocean and admire how blue it is. it so calming

You're one of them dirty hippie types, aren't you?

For the good of all I must sheep F-16 here.

VOTE: Nachmamma8

[BRantz]

Why not comment on my red hot blazing posts so far, Nacho?

Your intentions have been about as obvious as Baron Happlebap's when he sneaks into a kindergarten playground, so while I have been vaguely amused by your posting, I haven't yet been impressed.

Will it impress you if I proxy my vote to you for the first third of D1?

You are crumbling in your convictions already, aren't you? How can I follow such a flippant leader into the fray?

VOTE: F-16_Fighting_Falcon

[BRantz]

I feel like Victoria Justice when she was trying to pick her tour or her show, the wagon on AP looks pretty tasty but there's also the beginning of a nacho wagon, what's a girl to do?

You are just the most indecisive person ever, aren't you?

Ffery seems town.

[BRantz]

Maybe a nice forced labour camp might convince some people to tell me why fferyllt is town?

You have quite the high opinion of yourself don't you?

@Krew: Why do you feel that they are scum?

[BRantz]

You all are suffering from being lobotomized aren't you?

I don't fear you or your death Tier. Why AP over F-16?

[BRantz]

To all the people not voting Nobody Special: I offer you a choice between doing that or going to a nice forced labour camp in Siberia!
Seriously, do vote NS.

You need to take a xanax don't you? You seem much to worried that people follow you.

Though I feel like you have only ever commanded people to follow and never given reasons why. Seems like its time for a coup here.

VOTE: Tiershift

[BRantz]

Bookitty is scum with AP. I'm more confident than a rattlesnake sneaking up on a sedated baby.

Nobody is scum with AP.

Careful; you can get modkilled for outing your scumteam.

WHERE IS MY CATERER FFS??!?

You need to take a quaalude and and relax, don't you?

Sorry everyone, have been very busy this week with school starting back up. Will catch up and have a post friday.

[BRantz]

You all need to calm down don't you?

Sorry everyone, have been busier than initially anticipated. Will catch up tonight.

[BRantz]

UNVOTE:

Bleh, read the game, but it all felt very blurry. Isoing everyone too to see if that helps. (These post restrictions while hilarious are quite good at making everything blur together.)

You all aren't even going to appreciate my hard work are you?

Iso's in alphabetical order:

AngryPidgeon: I like AP's unexplained townread on Sleepy in 36. His confusion around Ffery feels real, and I like that he tries to sort it out. I really like 165. Especially his point about scum being able to hide behind roleplaying. 177 feels awkward. 240 is also weird, especially the first sentence about Ffery. Also purse away sir, I agree that my activity level has been horrendous. I am leaning null-town on AP right now, but his interaction around F-16 feels a little weird.

BeastCharizard: There is not a lot of real substance to anything in his iso. The majority of his posts are just his post restriction. The only real thing I can tell from his iso is he was somewhat calling T S O scum. Null for now.

Bookitty: What makes/made you nervous about talking to tier 65? I do like her calling out what she thought was active lurking in T S O 104. I like her calling out F_16 in 202, 219, and 231. Feeling Boo is town.

ChannelDelibird: I like post 126 here. While I disagreed at the time, reading through again I think he is right about tunneling. 204 gives us a lot of information on where his thought process is in this game right now which I like alot (obviously a bit outdated info now). Null Town for now.

Espeonage: Not sure I like the dissonance betweeon 120 and 210. Was your Tiershift scum read real, or were you joking around as the later post seems to suggest you had been? He seems to be pushing for people to try to be as obfuscating as possible, and doesn't like that the game has turned toward serious mafia play. Null-scum.

Fferrylit: I really like 39 and 46. She seems to have very well thought out reads on the people she has had time to talk with and sort out (see all of the chex mix bowl posts). She is working hard to sort people out too when she has an unclear read on them. I really like 281 as well. Town here.

ika: There is actual nothing here. Possibly a bus with his vote on F-16 in 55. Null-scum.

Katsuki: I don't have any idea how to feel about Katsuki... I am also not sure exactly what post restriction he has. Will wait for the replacement to try and sort this slot out. Null.

Muffin: Also confused about Muffin's post restriction. But, his push on F-16 doesn't feel like bussing. Town for now.

NachoMamma8: Not a lot to Nacho's iso either. But I like the direction his play is taking in post 95. Null for now.

NobodySpecial: I like that NS finds ways to give his reads even though his pr takes the forefront of his posts. I like him trying to sort out whats going on between boo and F_16 in 226. Null-town.

NotScience: NotScience's only real contribution to the game is that he doesn't think Katsuki is scum gambiting. But I do like his engagement with Ffery, though I wish he had followed up after asking for a read. Null-very slightly town, but if Katsuki is scum I would look here again {or vice versa)

SleepyKrew: SleepyKrew has been engaging people, and it would appear sort his reads. None of his posts stick out that much, but I like his play so far. Null-town.

T S O: He is obv town, it is possible his actions after the mod kill are a gambit, but I think it is an extremely small chance. Despite his post restriction he has been engaging people very well.

Tiershift: There is a weird shift between 117 and 124 where Tier goes from threatening everyone voting him to being okay with the wagon that I am not completely comfortable with. But his interactions with other players, and his general thought processes on his pushes (see his push against NS in 124) seem very town to me. Town for now.

VOTE: Espeonage

[BRantz]

We need to have some ground rules for reporting someone's post. I mean we can't report every post we see or else the whole game would be modkilled. The one modkill already was just lucky. TSO would have royally fucked us over if f-16 had flipped town.

I don't think it is town motivated to just report posts without first discussing it with the thread. That will leave us open to having the mafia just reporting the post in question but then we already stand the chance of scum seeing it anyway.

A way around that would just be asking if anyone would object to having [insert name] modkilled because you think you found a restriction break.

Being upfront. I totally just tried to off Metal. After that I realized that it would have been bad if he were town. I think he is scum because of his reaction to the modkill though. TSO is going to have a point because I still don't trust them. The report was pending before the whole everyone thinks TSO is town thing, or at least before I read it.

Earlier I was told about someone throwing up. Do any of you cherish the smell of throw-up like I do? I mean it smells so good it just makes you want to throw up more just to increase the smell.

You don't fully grasp how this works do you?

I think this is a terrible idea. Talking about people breaking post restrictions in thread will accomplish the same thing that just pming the mods about them will. It will cause the mods to notice the break and the person will be modkilled anyway. This doesn't help the town at all. While I agree we were fortunate that T S O was right, I think that the only reason someone would take the action of reporting to the mods is because they think a slot is scummy anyway. This post by Beast stinks.

[BRantz]

They think the slot is scummy but that is just them being selfish. I could just report every post I see of a player I think is scummy, that doesn't make them scum and I could very well just start offing all of the town because I think town is scummy. This is why I think it should be a group decision or atleast a couple people need to agree to it. If the modkill flips town then we can look at who all agreed to the reporting of the post.

Also, I didn't straight out say I wanted to report TSO's post so the mod asked me if I did. I pointed it out but the mod didn't just automatically say ok, point to TSO.

Secondly, I said we might want to say: "I think I found a post restriction break for [insert player]" The mod isn't going to go out of their way to modkill people.

Also, yes it does stink. It stinks like the wonderful smell of spoiled milk. That smell that just gets one's nose aroused from the pure bliss of it.

What are you contributing to the game Brantz?

You want a gold star don't you?

Your thought process makes more sense in that post than it did to me in the initial one. Also, that is good information to know, that the mods double check to make sure you are trying to report something.

Your question to me at the end is puzzling though. If I recall you were among those who liked my catch up post, I will be the first to admit that I wasn't contributing before that. I am trying now.

[BRantz]

You all need to calm the fuck down, don't you?

I agree with Nacho on this. AP I don't think anyone is trying to attack your integrity here though.

@TSO: Why do you think it is a better strategy to modkill+lynch than just lynch, since you just said it didn't help town win last time? How do you propose getting those who are unwilling to infraction to do so?

@Muffin: Whats up with all the tunneling?

[BRantz]

Beast you're just trying to coast by and hope no one notices, aren't you?

What do you think of the argument between TSO and AP (and also TSO's idea on how we should play the game)? Same question to you Espeonage.

Mod can we get a prod on ika?

[BRantz]

I'll be away most of the day scraping cheese fondue and beer off the sofa while standing squarely in front of the television and being told I make a better door than a window.

I'm liking Titus for town so far. AP is town too, though I HATED his fight with TSO. Not happy with Ika's readslist (with the exception of NachoMamma, it's right down the line popular opinion, and I think Nacho is town for interactions with F-16).

I'm twitchy about BRantz. His push on F-16 and shift to TierShift is eerily similar to F-16's push on Nacho and sudden reversal to proxy his vote. Post 181 contains this reasoning from F-16. I would like BRantz to read this post and explain his thought process here. TierShift's post restriction was pretty evident at the point of the vote, I think. I don't buy that BRantz couldn't figure that out for himself.

I think that most post restrictions are as obvious as chocolate smeared around the mouth of a toddler, so that's colouring my reads to an extent. If others are having issues figuring them out, please let me know.

Sticking with my vote on Ika and waiting for an answer/answers from BRantz.

You like making crappy arguments don't you?

I didn't like F-16 pushing a wagon and then offering to proxy his vote to Nacho so I voted him. This was all mostly in rvs so while I found it slightly scummy when Tier started demanding that people sheep him without giving any reason I found that to be more scummy and switched my vote. Yes, I understand that the demanding sheep part was part of his pr, but he was not giving any sort of case which is the part that bothered me (you can see this happening in both 80 and 111). It had nothing to do with Tier's pr, and everything to do with Tier doing no more than his pr.

[BRantz]

@Boo You didn't actually care what my answer to your questions were did you?

@CDB, what is the case on ika besides that he has been lurking? While I agree that his recent posts haven't been much better, we don't really have anything from him to get reads off of at them moment I feel.

[BRantz]

You like putting words in people's mouths don't you boo?

I am arguing that while F-16's actions were fairly clearly a part of rvs, Tier's were not. The problem I had with tier at that point in the game was that he seemed to be trying to push the game out of rvs (which is good) while not providing content himself. He seemed to be trying to get other people to do the work for him (which isn't good). It looked to me like someone who wanted people to wagon, but didn't want to be the primary push on the wagon so they had an out to claim doubts later if questioned about it. Tier changed my view point on this fairly quickly after that (seeing as part of the reason I am townreading him is his actual push on NS in 124, but this is what it looked like at that time).

[BRantz]

It's an entire 368 days until the next superbowl. I don't know how I'll pass the time, especially after Premier League winds down.

However,

@Serene2, oh most glorious and magnificent deities, please excuse this horrible gravy smear of a post, but could you tell us please when the deadline is?

[The basement door opens, and one of the Serenes hurls a digital clock at Bookitty's head. It's counting backwards, and reads:]

(expired on 2015-02-07 09:00:00)

This date is closing in and I hope the players who are against the ika lynch will put some actual effort forward in terms of where they think the focus should be right now.

BRantz worries me.

You should lay off the beer shouldn't you?

Ebwop: I have to go to class right now ffery, but I will be around for a few hours later on if you want to try and sort me out.

[BRantz]

You want to live in a desolate wasteland, don't you beast?

Fuck it. I still think espeonage is a better choice because at least he has had some interactions with people, so we might get some information from his lynch, but...
VOTE: ika

[BRantz]

I'll be busy this evening sipping champagne, snacking on caviar and engaging in delightful conversation with scintillating companions.

No, actually, I'll be presoaking all my stained clothes and then washing them. Does anyone know what takes out mixed blood and taco sauce stains? Not that any of my clothes have that, I mean... Um, ignore that last part.

I am arguing that while F-16's actions were fairly clearly a part of rvs, Tier's were not.

I disagree with this. You can't just excuse things in RVS. F-16 was acting scummy in RVS. He turned out to be scum. TierShift's actions in or out of RVS are either scummy or not and should be treated accordingly. I don't understand why RVS is such a major factor in your reasoning. Scum are still scum in RVS too.

You don't really understand me, do you?

That is reasonable boo, and I hadn't even really realized that I do it until this conversation, but I do tend to downplay rvs things and take them to a lesser degree than things that I consider to be outside of rvs. I should work on that part of my game. The association of random, and some of the things I've seen people do in rvs just to get reactions, makes me want to take tells at a lesser value from there though.

[BRantz]

You all have no bloodlust at all do you?

Will be around tomorrow to catch up with the new day, and have a post.

[BRantz]

You all have no bloodlust at all do you?

Will be around tomorrow to catch up with the new day, and have a post.

What makes you say that?

You don't really understand me do you?

I said that in small part because there was no death last night, but in large part because of my pr.

I'm going back to where I was yesterday.

VOTE: espeonage

Caught up on today as well.

[BRantz]

Look how well that worked out on the ika slot! Is the side of that argument you are completely ignoring titus.

>>> INFRACTION

[BRantz]

You're just being a spoilsport, aren't you boo?

VOTE: NS

I see putting a list of prs in the thread as a double edged sword. It could be helpful both to town and scum.

[BRantz]

You're feeling nervous, aren't you ffery?

I think it is actually L-3, there are 11 of us still right?

[BRantz]

Hes already softclaimed so:

@BRantz

fullclaim next post or get dunked. tyvm

You have quite the hallucinations don't you?

I haven't soft claimed anything, at least not intentionally where do you feel I did so?

@Titus: Why leave the NS wagon then? Do you find tbone to be more likely scum than NS or would you be happy lynching either?

[BRantz]

Beast is just extremely lazy isn't he?

@AP: Yeah early on in the game I was trying to make sure I differentiated between the two in my mind since people seemed to use pr for both. I should definitely have been clearer in that post.

@CDB: How is that catch up coming?

[BRantz]

VOTE: BRantz

Beer and pretzels are on the table.

You are quite impatient aren't you?

Sorry Thursday's are really busy for me, I have class all day and then work.

My suspicion of NS was piqued with the hammer vote on Espeonage. T-bone tried to throw a lot of smoke at the people on the wagon prior to that point, but I have found that a good way to read a replacement of a scummy slot is how they react to a large wagon on them when they replace in. But to hammer someone while a replacement is being found seemed very sketchy to me. So then I went back and reread NS. He spent a lot of the early game doing nothing except throwing reads around and not adding much content.

There is a weird dissonance between 122 and 762 to me. Calling Tier's tunneling and Titus' vote hopping both scum oriented feels off to me. Also he has voted 5 different people in 17 total posts, so the freak out over Titus' 8 in 48 posts seems very strange.

Post 320 calls a bunch of people town with 0 reasons why they are town, it feels a lot like NS is trying to pretend to give content while doing nothing.

As part of his hammer he gives his reason(s) for voting espe, "total lurking scum". That is it. Once again trying to look town, but prematurely ending the day, and giving very flimsy reason for doing so.

I talked about how ridiculous the vote hopping allegation against Titus is already given NS's voting history, but that is pretty much all NS has done today except for provide another post full of air about "reads" on people.

This is why my vote is still on NS.

Can I have a beer now? I'm feeling a bit parched.

[BRantz]

You don't understand me do you?

I have not played with NS before.

But to me, anyone can say X person is town, or X person is scum and not give any reasons for it. This isn't adding content. All it is, in my opinion is trying to look like you are participating without ever actually doing anything. He has never said anything more about someone than that they are town or scum, except for Titus, and his whole case there is:

I have no problem with ordinary vote-hopping. But this .....whatever thing that Titus is doing is far beyond normal.

Just trust me, she's totally scum.

The whole thing just feels off to me.

[BRantz]

You all need to post more don't you? (myself included)

ebwop: I understand withholding reasons for reads, but when you get asked, and your explanation is something as thin as that it bugs me.

[BRantz]

You're saying I'm blind aren't you?

Do you mean the "Titus is too town to be town" remark? I don't think that really counts as something against Titus on its own.

So you obviously have more meta on NS than I do, is this fairly normal for him?

[BRantz]

@AP: You wish you were a part of this conversation don't you?

That's fair, but I still think NS is more likely to be scum than not scum right now.

[BRantz]

Pine, you areally the embodiment of sloth aren't you?

I agree with titus in general, except that tbone is now pine. I also still feel like a is possibly town.

[BRantz]

ebwop:

I am terrible at writing on a cell phone aren't I?

My post should say that I still think that AP is possibly town. Not a.

Town to least town for me right now:
Fferry
Titus
Boo
Nacho
Mollie
AP
CDB
Pine
Muffin
NS

[BRantz]

You like picking and choosing cotenxtless parts of my arguments to use against me, don't you Nacho?

I've already talked about the F-16 Tier switch in greater detail in the argument I had with boo (also I don't know anything about a dynamic between you and F-16). But to reiterate, F-16 was clearly rvs to me, Tiershift seemed less rvs. The weight I put on rvs things tends to be lower purely because it is random (I acknowledged that this is probably incorrect when talking about it with boo).

I still think my point about Espe vs ika is valid even though I was wrong. Both were scummy lurkers, but espe had at least had some interaction with everyone in the game whereas ika had almost none. I will always prefer to lynch the one that will have some information attached to the lynch.

Did you even read why I suspect NS? I was fairly null on T-bone, but Pine replacing in and then disappearing has pinged me which is why he is currently low on my list. Would you like to tell me why you think he is more likely scum than NS?

[BRantz]

You like blowing things out of proportion don't you Nacho?

You gave one, count it, one reason why you have decided NS is so town he couldn't possibly be any more town, and I don't even think it is that good of a reason. Your reasoning pine is potentially scum is reasonable, but how about actually interacting with the case I have against NS instead of just saying he couldn't possibly be anymore town.

I missed where you addressed why espe because of interaction over ika was bad, I just saw you saying that me fence sitting on ika was bad. Maybe clarify that for me?

[BRantz]

Good game everyone. I think we (as scum) were doomed from the moment F-16 infractioned out, and ika decided to be a non factor. Well played town.