UnCouTh mAfia - [UnCouTh eNding]

[Bookitty]

I was so excited for this game that I ran across an entire buffet table, crushing petit fours and hors d'oeuvres and destroying a pair of exquisite Minnetonka moccasins, just to post this.

VOTE: Katsuki

Poor pandas.

[Bookitty]

One time I was making nachos and I overloaded the plate and the entire thing melted ALL over the microwave and created an oozy, slippery mess that achieved sentience and escaped into the neighbourhood and killed several household pets before being gunned down by the police in cold blood.

So thanks for bringing THAT up, Falcon.

[Bookitty]

I think the wagon on Nacho is abysmal. It makes me feel ucky, like when tacos drip all over your hand while you're eating them and then you don't notice and get a giant smear down your favourite blouse.

Falcon seems pretty conflicted about whether he wants Nacho dead or wants to sheep him. While sheep can be pretty tasty as part of a balanced diet, I think it's an odd choice at this point for Falcon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Falcon

@Espe: Stop talking about my rack


of lamb.

[Bookitty]

Since I am having issues reading anyone through the spaghetti sauce stain of their respective post restrictions, I don't actually mind being dropped from the gallows like double-scoop ice cream off a cone. I'm not a fan of SleepyKrew trying to link me to the squab; if AP actually did flip scum I'd look at him for trying to chain lynches.

The only read I'm confident in so far is Fferyllt town. Tiershift noted the same overflowing soup tureen of unreadability I did, but that's pretty much non-alignment-indicative.

Plus I would enjoy Sleepykrew having to eat crow feathers and all for being wrong.

<3 Notscience for the NPH remark

[Bookitty]

I don't respond well to threats. I prefer bribes of cookies, though hot Tollhouse cookies always seem to end up with chocolate on my fingers and clothes.

But I'll humour you. Post 32. Looks to be trying to end RVS, something of which I approve. Post 39 then carries through that thought by commenting that we won't necessarily know when RVS ends for anyone specifically because of the post restrictions.

Ending RVS is pro-town to me especially in this situation. Pointing it out again shows follow-through and purpose to the comments.

[Bookitty]

Tiershift, talking to you makes me as nervous as the time I accidentally spilled an entire gravy boat on the Queen of Patagonia.

I think she was making an effort and I approve of that effort and consider it to be pro-town even if it wasn't remarkably successful.

[Bookitty]

Bookitty, I believe you've scumslipped in post #42 when you address F-16 as your partner.

If my cellphone wasn't blaring rave music I'd probably be calling the police.

I didn't post Post 42, TSO, nor have I referred to Falcon anywhere in the way you are describing.

I bet you feel as silly now as when all the cheese and toppings on your slice of pizza slide off into your lap and you're left holding a dripping slice of crust. People should probably point and laugh at you like they did to me, too.

[Bookitty]

I know, I just wanted you to feel a sudden shot of paranoia.

Okay, this made me laugh so hard that milk came out of my nose and went all over my desk. And I wasn't even drinking milk!

[Bookitty]

I'm reminded of the time my friend and I accidentally spilled our Sonic drinks in the backyard and she started singing, "My milkshake brings all the ants to the yard, they say, it's better than yours..."

Looking back on it, I don't think she actually knew what the ants thought, though.

I feel like discussion has sort of stalled. Maybe it's just a weekend thing. If it keeps up like this, though, I'll bow to Tiershift's imperial fiat and drop my vote on Angry Pidgeon just like mashed potatoes splattering all over a tray in the cafeteria.

[Bookitty]

Not that your post looks like a quarterback sneak or anything. But, actual sneaks would be easy to miss until too late with all the grandstanding going on.

I'm thinking about doing a little less roleplay and a little more mafia.

It's no use crying over spilt milk, but I am pretty exhausted from trying to sift the content from the post restrictions.

I've been trying to keep the latter half of my posts more clear. It may not be as much fun, but I think it will help in communicating my ideas and letting other people read me. I agree with the bolded part above a lot and would suggest it to others as well.

[Bookitty]

I don't want to end up with runny egg all over my face, so:

Is Katsuki known for being a gambitty player? How likely is it that Kat is faking this?

I think we are out of RVS now, so I wouldn't consider it as an RVS joke.

[Bookitty]

After devouring the meta feast Nacho served up for us and spilling hot sauce all over the eggs and myself, I'm not voting to throw him in the microwave.

I read the game, Nacho, which was a good enough answer.

@SleepyKrew: What do you think about votes sliding off the AP wagon?

[Bookitty]

@TSO: Your postings make me feel like when the ice cream falls off and I'm left with a cone dripping on my new taffeta dress.

Empty.

[Bookitty]

VOTECOUNT
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (4): BRantz, Bookitty, Nobody Special, ika
Nachomamma8 (4): fferyllt, TierShift, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Katsuki
AngryPidgeon (2): SleepyKrew, Nachomamma8,
TierShift (1): Espeonage
Katsuki (1): AngryPidgeon
T S O (1): beastcharizard
ika (1): ChannelDelibird,

There's AngryPidgeon squab still dripping on the tablecloth, there's a delicious Falcon being steamed up and spattering on the stove and there is Katsuki trying to dump Nachos on the floor.

It's practically a food fight. Why aren't you talking about any of that?

[Bookitty]

I concur with ChannelDelibird. Ika's postings are like rain falling on cotton candy -- pretty at first, but ultimately resulting in pink and blue sticky goo all over your shoe.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ika

Even worse than TSO's lack of substance imo.

[Bookitty]

@SleepyKrew: What do you think about votes sliding off the AP wagon?

I remember the last time I ate a jelly doughnut and all the filling fell out the other end and directly onto the floor. I think I'm even more disappointed, though, at not getting an answer from SleepyKrew.

Thinking Tiershift may be town.

[Bookitty]

I'm not trying to spill coffee on your new rug, SleepyKrew, but can you explain why AP is scum?

[Bookitty]

Not to dump a bowl of spaghetti on my head, but it's basically the claim of scumhunting and "parsing everyone's restrictions" that's the issue, right? Trying to look town?

Nothing he's done since then has justified that. I think he's V/LA right now but that's changing tomorrow if I read things right.

Willing to vote AP too.

[Bookitty]

I'm having real issues with correlating these two posts from Falcon. I mean, it's not as bad as picking the wrong end of the burrito and wearing refried beans and sour cream for the rest of the day, but I'd like an explanation.

But my wanting Nacho dead was clearly an RVS push not intended to lynch him so there was no actual stance change.

You were pushing this wagon and asking why there weren't more votes on it.

Specifically, I want to know whether the initial vote on me was serious. If it was, why move to Tier so easily before I did anything? If it wasn't, why enquire about why people aren't voting me?

So by your own reasoning, your first vote was a serious vote, because you said this:

Why no Nacho vote Bookitty? Don't you want to see him melting in the oven?

and this:

Come on guys, I want to see some blazing Nacho votes. Nachos with molten cheese taste amazing.

and this:

We really, really should vote Nacho and celebrate his wagon with fireworks. Come on guys, you disappoint.

If it wasn't a serious vote and was just an RVS push, why enquire about why people weren't voting Nacho, Falcon?

[Bookitty]

I think when a player is active sitewide and not active in a particular game, it's the same as knocking the lollipop out of a baby's hand and into the dirt. Ika is bad and he should feel bad.

[Bookitty]

Me asking why there were no more votes on the wagons doesn't mean it is a serious vote. I wanted to see how Nacho and others would react to it. I enquired about it to put people on the spot and have them justify why they were or weren't wagoning Nacho. It had nothing to do with me scumreading Nacho or wanting him thrown in a large tank of boiling hot gasoline.

When I throw a cream pie at someone's face, I want to see whipped cream sliding down their vest and tie. You're dodging the question, which I'll simplify for you:

You voted Nacho and asked for added votes on him. You then reversed yourself and offered to proxy your vote to Nacho. You now claim that was an RVS push and not to be taken seriously.

Brantz voted you and asked for added votes on you. He then moved his vote to Tiershift. This is strikingly similar to your own behaviour, imo. You ask him this:

Specifically, I want to know whether the initial vote on me was serious. If it was, why move to Tier so easily before I did anything? If it wasn't, why enquire about why people aren't voting me?

Why does your reasoning flip when applied to someone else?

[Bookitty]

What motivation do you think I would have as scum to push Nacho and then proxy my vote to him?

Much like the hot dog vendor who dumped cheese on me at the ball game, I don't know your motivation. Scum motivation for that could be to justify a push on townNacho later on, to demonstrate distancing from scumNacho later on or simply to clog up the thread with an unsupported push that achieves the appearance of activity without actually furthering the gamestate.

What did you derive in the way of results from your push on Nacho? What were you hoping would happen there?

[Bookitty]

@Falcon: I'm thinking over your claimed motivation and reasoning for the Nacho push while I try to remove smeared peanut butter from my hair by applying chewing gum. That should work, since it works the other way, right?

What do you think of the timing of Katsuki's purported daycop result on Nacho?

It seems to me like your reads are very fluid at minimum (people are suspicious for townreading Ffery, but you townread Ffery; people are suspicious for voting Ika, but you're expressing suspicion there; Brantz does pretty much exactly what you did, but you're questioning him with reverse logic to what you yourself used). I'm trying to understand your thought process because it seemed to me you had some kind of definite read on just about everyone. Are your reads in a constant state of flux right now?

[Bookitty]

At the risk of ruining Nobody Special's reception by sitting on the three-tier wedding cake, I'm going to say I buy the idea of the Nacho push as an RVS reaction test. It went well beyond a simple RVS vote though imo.

@Nacho: I'm soft-defending you here. Come tell me how scummy I am! Or... anything, really. I'm not picky, as evidenced by the wide variety of food stains adorning my Sunday-go-to-wedding best!

[Bookitty]

*Does the Snoopy happy dance on the wedding buffet, in the process knocking over several plates and sending oysters flying out of their half-shells into the laps of unsuspecting diners*

At the risk of being as obvious as a barbeque sauce stain on a dieter's lapel, I will venture that TSO just reported F-16 for a third violation of his posting restriction. This = profit.

<3 Ffery. Very happy right now.

[Bookitty]

@AngryPidgeon: Please don't dodge Ffery's question. Otherwise you might end up like I did at the Japanese steakhouse: covered with shrimp and soy sauce and dripping oil onto the nice hardwood floor.

[Bookitty]

After a celebratory evening of paying reparations and dry cleaning bills for all the oyster and escargot-bespattered individuals I harmed during my unforgivable rampage, I have some thoughts.

Bookitty: What makes/made you nervous about talking to tier 65?

I was referring to his post restriction and my known status as a sympathiser with South Korea or, at a minimum, South Korean kalbi barbecue. It's not serious. I think Tiershift is likely town.

I believe TSO is absolutely telling the truth about his responsibility for tossing F-16 out of the game like a chef tossing a pizza crust into the air and onto the floor where a mafioso slips on it and gets gooey dough all over his shoe.

F-16 had only two violations prior to his summary execution; this means that TSO identified at least one and probably two more that hadn't been caught previously. TSO can be town too for this; there's no way scum would give up their buddy to a modkill imo.

I'm still happy with my ika vote given what looks to me like deliberately ignoring this game.

[Bookitty]

One thing I really don't like is drippy, greasy squab that leaves stains all over your tablecloth and clothes. I find it very scummy.

Any special reason you didn't mention Falcon at all until Post 237? I don't mean you didn't attack him. I mean it was like Falcon wasn't even in the game at all from your posting. That despite the fact that he still has the third most posts in this game.

Why are your insights on my other points on Falcon only coming now and not previously, when you were wanting to be townread for not townreading Ffery?

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Bookitty]

Some bad news: I accidentally dumped the cranberry chutney on the floor on the way in. Good news: I was able to scrape most of it out of the carpet and back into the bowl, so we still have chutney! It's going to leave a nasty stain, though.

Ika votes are understandable. I agree with the points on him, but I always think its somewhat lame to lynch someone solely because they are lurking.

To TSO:

I dunno. Why do you think Ika is an easy mislynch? Do you actually think hes town here?

I find that difficult to stomach.

What were the points on Ika apart from his lurking? Would it be lame to lynch scum for lurking?

F-16 accounted for much of the discussion during the early days of the game.

Sorry ffery, just read up and I still feel like Im hungover or something. I guess I have a few townreads.

So at this point you've "read up." Why wouldn't you discuss the major topic of discussion at this point? How could you have derived your claimed townread on me without discussing my interactions with F-16? What did you base that townread on, anyway?

Oh, and sorry about dropping my lunch plate and its contents "accidentally." I really didn't want any, though.

[Bookitty]

Actually, that particular splatter of cranberry chutney was aimed at the greasy squab, not at you, TSO.

I meant to indicate that AP was asking you that question. This is as embarrassing as the time I spilled ketchup all over my t-shirt and people reported it to the police as a suspected stabbing.

[Bookitty]

@AngryPidgeon:

If you were having emotions, mixed or otherwise, why weren't you spewing them out like chocolate milk from the nose of a laughing child? I did make that very point against you before. You can ignore it all you like, but it's just as obvious as the gravy stain all over your tie.

Any special reason you didn't mention Falcon at all until Post 237? I don't mean you didn't attack him. I mean it was like Falcon wasn't even in the game at all from your posting. That despite the fact that he still has the third most posts in this game.

If you don't recall reading any good points against ika, then why would you say this?

Ika votes are understandable.

I agree with the points on him,

but I always think its somewhat lame to lynch someone solely because they are lurking.

You agree with points that don't exist? I think you stepped in the mince pie this time.

Also, why are you sucking up to Nacho in this particular way? It makes me feel uncomfortable, like when people have unidentified white stains on their clothes and then they say, "Don't worry, it's egg white!" Yeah. Sure it is.

[Bookitty]

Lol, look at this garbage.

No I didn't mention falcon at all. Are you seriously going to argue that my lack of mentioning someone is scummy? Really? Cause Im here waiting for you to make my day by telling me that me not mentioning a player in a LARGE GAME for a few pages makes me scum with them. Say it.

I wouldn't say that. I do think that the bolded part is rather fishy, like the tuna fish casserole I was intending to bring to this shindig before I spilled it all over my shoes. It's a quote of something I said before; why are you acting like it's suddenly new and fresh?

What I do think is a suspicious stain on your shirt is the combination of these things:

Post 165: You're "read up" and yes, I'm going to put quotes around it because it's a specific quote.

You have mixed feelings about F-16, which you helpfully clarified here:

You see when I read F16's posts I got some gut townfeels and some gut scumfeels and I wanted to talk about him more. Its why I asked ffery about him.

And you had a townread on me at a point when pretty much all I'd done was interact with F-16. So how did you derive that townread? What was it based on? Do the stains on my shirt magically spell out TOWN and I just don't see it?

You thought my postings were worth commenting on. What made F-16 not worth commenting on in Post 165 when you were addressing most things of import that had gone on in the game so far? His exclusion is noticeable. I want to know why.

[Bookitty]

I think TSO is town. I don't think that the scheme he proposes is cheating. I don't want to do it, however, even if it means we make a few mistakes that send picante sauce all over my pretty new dress.

I see a huge distinction between this:

1. I think someone is town, so I'm not going to report their infractions and I'm going to hope they go unnoticed, and
2. I think someone is scum, so I'm going to GET them if I catch them slipping up.

I already thought about this and decided that if I notice scum messing up, I'll report it; I'm not even going to look for my townreads screwing up, much less try to trip them up with infractions.

That is workable for anyone, I think. What won't work imo is trying to force people to commit infractions. It's going to waste time and clog up the thread with threats. Townies shouldn't give in to these threats and scum simply won't. It makes it harder to sort the two, not easier. It's a given that scum would be involved in the decisions (I'm sure F-16 wasn't the only scum).

I think that scum have an added pressure in this game anyway; they not only have to remember to include their post restriction but also have to try to sound townie. I didn't have F-16 as a firm scumread (I was voting Ika, remember) and was trying to figure him out when he screwed up. Because of this, I think the added pressure may be enough to let us find scum anyway.

I feel pretty confident in our ability to find scum. The nightkill can be valuable information for town. But I don't see a way that forcing people to commit infractions will work. I don't think it's possible (you could threaten to lynch them, but then you probably would just have to lynch them, right?) and I think it could create a smokescreen that would allow actual scum to hide more effectively.

What we are doing is working; I don't know that it needs fixing in this way.

[Bookitty]

I noticed that I somehow left out a line in my previous post. Also, my pretty dress now has mustard all down it thanks to an errant hot dog that exploded ALL BY ITSELF.

I see a huge distinction between this:

1. I think someone is town, so I'm not going to report their infractions and I'm going to hope they go unnoticed, and
2. I think someone is scum, so I'm going to GET them if I catch them slipping up.

And TSO's plan.

Bolded part added. I think it was clear before but that should have been there.

@AngryPidgeon: Do you think TSO is scum?

[Bookitty]

I'm not interested in pursuing this right now. I don't know if AP is scum or not (he rightly points out we have minimal experience with each other) but he's not even at the top of my list for people I want to dump scorching hot chili on and then laugh at mockingly while refusing to apply soda water or pay for dry cleaning bills.

Speaking of which:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espeonage

It's time for you to have something on someone. RVS is over. Deal with it.

[Bookitty]

Reasons that I think AngryPidgeon may be scum regardless of his tirade against TSO, now proven town. (By the way, I despise the argument that "I don't care what your alignment is, you're scum because of _____." It's an outside-the-game attack that makes me angry enough to dump hot coffee and Thai food on people and then laugh as it seeps through their clothes and they dance around in agony. I'm not listing this in my reasons, but I'm pointing it out as a factor in my attitude here.)

In Post 165, AngryPidgeon finds my reasoning for finding Ffery town to be "weaksauce". His reaction to SK's comment about AP and I being scum together doesn't make him suspicious of SK; quite the reverse. He claims later that he didn't have a read on me, but note this little gem from that post:

SleepyKrew, BooKitty .... , Not Science, TSO, ..., CDB, IKA?

I don't feel supremely confident about those except possibly the first 2 though.

He's on the fence about Ffery, a widely townread player at that point, because he doesn't understand the vote on Ika. Remember this, because it's going to be important later.

He prod dodges for a while.

Then this:

I think ffery might be town. Ffery, do you have an F16 read? I have mixed emotions there.

Way behind the curve. And one post later:

Ika votes are understandable. I agree with the points on him, but I always think its somewhat lame to lynch someone solely because they are lurking.

Back to suspicion of Ffery.

Real talk, I stepped away from my laptop for a second and my first thought was "Ugh what if Im wrong about ffery" which quickly evolved into "ffery and f16 could totally be scum together, that might explain why shes so calm or something".

And this:

TSO is a likely target I suppose. Brantz needs more prodding to be sure. Im pursing my lips in his general direction.

One conftown, one person I feel pretty confident is town.

F-16 is killed with fire.

Im asusming that the mods doused F16 with stomach acid because he forgot his post restriction 3 times. TSO, why are you claiming responsibility for his death?

Unless you are a dayvig who flips people as "modkilled" which I strongly doubt.

You rang, ffery?

This is a masterpiece of innocent ignorance. AP doesn't know what happened. No idea. And why on earth is Ffery asking him for an explanation? OMG, what could it be about?

People disagree about Ffery, TSO, Brantz. Then we get this:

I actually feel a bit confident about a few recent townreads. I actually did like the Brantz wall. I typically dislike posts so formatted like that because it kind of reads like scum motivated busy work, but a couple of his individual poit's made sense to me. The assertion that ika was bussing at the very least makes me think brantz is scum with ika or not at all.

Ffery is a gut townread as of right now and yes I know that is a suuuuper cop out and downright lame of me, given my preflip post. But I like where she's going in this gsme so far and I like the activity. I agree about brant and tso being tentatively town at least.

In Post 328 AngryPidgeon is again on the fence about a widely townread player. I happen to think that F-16's behaviour toward me is better evidence for my alignment than my behaviour toward him, but AP doesn't mention any of that. He posts this:

I don't particularly see why everybody thinks this is as pure as if it had been cleansed by stomach acid. A lot of pointing out the things f16 is doing and leaping from observation to conclusion that he is scum. If people think this is too 'strong' to be a bus then I REALLY don't see that.

I really wasn't overly fond of her other points on Falcon either. I kind of see where its coming from, but I still am inclined to think it comes from someone who has already decided F16 is scum.

Overall, not seeing why people think Boo is town unless its purely based on the effort shes putting in, which I wont agree with.

This is so reminiscent of his take on Ffery. A bit of sniping (in which I point out his inconsistency on Ika and he at first ignores it and then acts like it's a brand new concept to him. Also, the first thing I did when F-16 flipped was to ISO him and look for connections. AP clearly didn't do that, since imo he would have seen F-16's interactions with me and would have understood the townreads of other people.

I'm left with the general feeling that AP is not really reading the thread at all and is struggling for things to say that appear relevant. This makes me feel all empty inside, like a waffle cone that has dripped all of its contents down my vintage poodle skirt. His reuse of his "Oh, this person is widely townread; I'm gonna buck the trend and say I don't see it!" doesn't thrill me. I don't care if AP was legitimately offended about TSO's plan either way, though I did feel like it was over-the-top angry at the time that such a horrible thing was ever suggested. That didn't seem like a genuine response to me.

Now he's back to uncertainty about Ffery.

tl;dr: I think the inconsistencies and the repeated patterns in quite different circumstances merit a lynch on AP.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Bookitty]

Disageeeing with popular wagon trends is generally an AP town marker:

Is it normal for him to do it mechanically and apparently by rote like a baby methodically scooping mashed potatoes off their high chair and onto the carpet? Wouldn't he usually give reasoning behind that?

If AP knows that disagreeing with generally approved wagons and reads is a town marker for him, then that makes it even more problematic imo.

[Bookitty]

You are making this leap that somehow your points against falcon make you town. All I see is that you unvoted him when his wagon took off in order to vote the illustrious lurking Ika. You never put your vote back on him, but continued to ping him mostly over one point which was his Nacho push. I tend to agree with ffery (I remember the post but cant remember which it was) where she said that F16 looked like he was being intentionally scummy in a way. His whole thing with the Nacho wagon was over the top and clearly not to be taken entirely seriously. So ya, I guess Im a little squinty-eyed to see you pushing him on that point a lot, voting a lurker despite talking to F16 mostly, and now trying to say you are obvious town because you interacted with F16.

I think you're leaping over the ketchup and landing squarely in the hot sauce here. That's going to leave a nasty stain.

1. I'm not trying to say I'm obvious town. Quote me once where I said that or implied it. I KNOW I'm town, but I haven't been saying that nor trying to paint my actions that way.

2. In fact, I actually POINTED OUT that my vote was on Ika. And I said it was more likely F-16's interactions with me that were making people read me as town, not mine with him. I could frankly care less who reads me as what. I do think your pushes have been weaksauce, to borrow a phrase. It looks to me like you're SOLELY reading ISOs and you're not keeping up with the game. I think that throwing a little fit now because someone thinks you're scum and omg the tragedy of having to defend yourself instead of doing the ISO you so want to do on Ffery is overblown, much like your little snit at me over being "read up". It reads as fake to me.

3. Did you read the rules of the game?

If fellow players (or if the mod notices!) anonymously report (by PM to the mod) more than 3 failed post restrictions per game day, YOU WILL BE MODKILLED!

This quote doesn't really do it justice, since it's multicoloured and in big huge print. Still, I think it would have been a pretty big hint that "people would actually report infractions to the mod." I certainly read it that way.

[Bookitty]

Despite the fact that I dumped an entire pot of porridge and honey on the kitchen tablecloth this morning (and attracted a trio of bears of various sizes, by the way) I am awake enough now to clean up the mess and to greet the new day.

The SleepyKrew wagon needs more votes IMO. I'll share my sea salt and vinegar chips!

@Ffery and Nacho: I will do this if you promise that you will look at AP objectively apart from the histrionics about the forced infraction plan. I don't care about that; it's alignment irrelevant to me. I think AP knows his meta and is playing to it. He is quick to attack other people's initial townreads (weaksauce) while giving even less justification for his own. He's doing ISOs (I believe this part) but not keeping up with the game nor understanding the context for what he reads. Please explain to me how I'm wrong (this is for anyone, but especially for Ffery and Nacho who have townreads on AP).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleepyKrew

I want to understand. Please make me understand.

[Bookitty]

@Serene2, oh most glorious and magnificent deities, please excuse this horrible gravy smear of a post, but could you tell us please when the deadline is?

Please do not crush me under your dainty size 5 shoes. Also, forgive the jelly doughnut stain on my shirt.

Most importantly, please oh please do not kill me.

[Bookitty]

While I'm waiting for an answer from our Serene Highnesses, I'm going to upset the turtle soup tureen onto the antique rug and take one of the wheels off this wagon. Sorry about the rug, by the way. It looked expensive.

UNVOTE:

I want to hear what Titus has to say and I think we were up to five votes already out of seven. I think we have time before deadline.

[Bookitty]

Well, ouch. That clock is going to leave a bruise.

Okay. I'm kinda thinking I was wrong about AP (yeah, I know. Trust me, I'm aware of the runny quiche all over my face, frock and lacy white gloves). I believe Post 544.

I'm also sorta leaning toward Titus-town. I had SleepyKrew as meh, whatever, null, lurky, but Titus has redeemed that for me at this point.

Not crazy about ChannelDelibird's jump on the SleepyKrew wagon, but that's a wait and see situation for me.

VOTE: Ika

I hate lurkers very very much. If you give me nothing to read you by, I'm going to read you as scum.

[Bookitty]

With the caveat that I'm having to scrape an entire turkey and stuffing off my divine divan (please don't ask. I'm demoralised enough), I do have some questions.

Do you have any reads, Ika? Have you had a chance to read the game yet?

What is your experience with Titus that leads you to say she's tunnelling and wrong yet again? When was she tunnelling and wrong before?

[Bookitty]

I'll be away most of the day scraping cheese fondue and beer off the sofa while standing squarely in front of the television and being told I make a better door than a window.

I'm liking Titus for town so far. AP is town too, though I HATED his fight with TSO. Not happy with Ika's readslist (with the exception of NachoMamma, it's right down the line popular opinion, and I think Nacho is town for interactions with F-16).

I'm twitchy about BRantz. His push on F-16 and shift to TierShift is eerily similar to F-16's push on Nacho and sudden reversal to proxy his vote. Post 181 contains this reasoning from F-16. I would like BRantz to read this post and explain his thought process here. TierShift's post restriction was pretty evident at the point of the vote, I think. I don't buy that BRantz couldn't figure that out for himself.

I think that most post restrictions are as obvious as chocolate smeared around the mouth of a toddler, so that's colouring my reads to an extent. If others are having issues figuring them out, please let me know.

Sticking with my vote on Ika and waiting for an answer/answers from BRantz.

[Bookitty]

At the risk of destroying my best frock with angst and spilled anchovy paste, I have to say that the entire fight seemed very overdramatic.

Angry Pidgeon was so upset that he threatened to vote park TSO (who flipped town) to the end of days and accused him of cheating. Yet throughout that period he didn't miss even one post restriction that I noticed. This undermined my belief in AP rage. TSO also got very angry, though, and he didn't miss one during that fight either. Since he flipped town, my theory was disproven about maintaining post restrictions during rage attacks.

It effectively shut down any discussion of topics that were not it and it got really out-of-game unpleasant in a way that made me, at least, feel really unhappy about the game and the accusations flying there.

tl;dr: I hated the fight because it wasn't alignment relevant imo and it made me feel miserable.

[Bookitty]

And it now feels like a calculated thing, since you look like you're begrudging every little bit of content you cough up.

I SO agree with this. It feels like Ika is taunting us, like the time that girl upended my lunch tray all over me in middle school and I wore salisbury steak gravy stains for the rest of the day while she and her friends pointed and laughed at me.

It's not an attitude I expect from town, but it's one I've seen from Ika-town before, sadly. (I can find the game if you want it, I don't remember the name just now, but it would be easy to find.)

@Ika: If you are town, you are supposed to be on our side and helping us. It's not like your post restriction is so terrible. Why are you so resistant to actually playing this game? What is your issue here?

[Bookitty]

@Ffery: The game is FitzOtter I.

It's different from this game in that Ika was pretty active early on. It's the same in the Me-Vs.-Them (them being the town) attitude that he displayed late in Day One.

Not to spill the beans and barbeque all over the patio mat, but that game was weird from the start imo.

[Bookitty]

I didn't like F-16 pushing a wagon and then offering to proxy his vote to Nacho so I voted him. This was all mostly in rvs so while I found it slightly scummy when Tier started demanding that people sheep him without giving any reason I found that to be more scummy and switched my vote. Yes, I understand that the demanding sheep part was part of his pr, but he was not giving any sort of case which is the part that bothered me (you can see this happening in both 80 and 111). It had nothing to do with Tier's pr, and everything to do with Tier doing no more than his pr.

I care so much about your answers that I'm still thinking about them while scrubbing Cheez Whiz out of my bathmat and wondering exactly what percentage of Whiz is in there.

Why was Tiershift's behaviour in RVS more problematic than F-16's behaviour in RVS? You're giving RVS leeway in one case and not in another, which seems odd. Also, F-16 never gave a case on Nacho either.

If you're arguing that Tiershift was active lurking, there were PLENTY of people to whom that label could apply. I even yelled at TSO about that if I remember right. So you singling out Tiershift seems sort of odd and specific to me.

[Bookitty]

I'll be busy this evening sipping champagne, snacking on caviar and engaging in delightful conversation with scintillating companions.

No, actually, I'll be presoaking all my stained clothes and then washing them. Does anyone know what takes out mixed blood and taco sauce stains? Not that any of my clothes have that, I mean... Um, ignore that last part.

I am arguing that while F-16's actions were fairly clearly a part of rvs, Tier's were not.

I disagree with this. You can't just excuse things in RVS. F-16 was acting scummy in RVS. He turned out to be scum. TierShift's actions in or out of RVS are either scummy or not and should be treated accordingly. I don't understand why RVS is such a major factor in your reasoning. Scum are still scum in RVS too.

[Bookitty]

I'm about to be excommunicated for spilling vichyssoise on a vicar. And I'm not even a member of a religion

Current reads list:

TOWN
Titus. Pretty sure scum wouldn't be enthusiastically bussing like that after losing a scum to post restrictions, especially given a few uncertainty tells.

ChannelDelibird. Third on that wagon and pushing it throughout.

Fferyllt. I feel really strongly about this. I don't always agree with Ffery but I can always see where she is coming from.

Nachomamma. I'm giving full town points for the weirdness with F-16 but think Nacho needs to post more.

TOWNLEAN
Beastcharizard. Post 603 is important because it is markedly not the post of scum looking for towncred by jumping on a scum lynch. He didn't vote ika but he encouraged a lynch of someone in this post and ika was the most likely lynch at that point.

AngryPidgeon. Similar reasoning here as for Beast. Wouldn't scum AP have been eager to jump on the wagon for towncred? I'm not certain, but his soft-defense of ika persisted longer than I would think scum would have done.

Brantz. I like people who argue with me. I felt like he made sense. Weak townlean, but it's there.

T-bone. He replaced in to a slot that could have stalled for time "reading the game" and I think scum would have done that. I don't think he gets major town-cred for voting Ika but I don't think it's scummy either.

NULL
Espeonage. This is really more a lean scum for me, but there's not enough to go on.

TierShift. I need more from you, TierShift. Content please.

SCUM
Muffin. I feel like he's been playing for towncred pretty reliably and his postings have been fairly regular but haven't progressed either my read on him nor the gamestate.

Nobody Special. Sheeped onto F-16. Interfered with me arguing with F-16 in Post 226. Votes Tiershift. Then Tier is town. Just weird transitions with little or zero explanation.

@MOD

: Aren't there just 13 players left and thus 7 to lynch?

Please don't pour chili sauce on my new t-shirt or spindle or mutilate my ketchup-stained corpse for my impertinent and unforgivable question, oh serene highnesses.

[Bookitty]

I trust Nacho and I don't think he'd invite us for Chinese and then dump spicy kung pao chicken all over our bright red fluro jackets.

VOTE: Espeonage

I think that is L-2. Check for yourself, please, though.

@Beast: I haven't reported anybody so far.

@Titus: Can you sum up why you are suspicious of AngryPidgeon and ChannelDelibird, please?

[Bookitty]

I hated the way that hammer went down. Nobody Special was as obvious and unwelcome as an elephant soaked in barbecue sauce and introduced into an operating room. I don't know why town would want to shut down discussion at that point.

I'm going to start here:

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Bookitty]

I will indeed stain this thread with my own rendition of delicious chili con carne all over your respective tablecloths.

Post restrictions:

Muffin: Spying and stalking of other players
Bookitty: Food stains and spills
Titus: animals interacting with things
Nachomamma: Baron Happlebap
AngryPidgeon: gastrointestinal ailments and organs
ChannelDelibird: accidental injuries
Fferyllt: sports and sports snacks, mainly beer
BRantz: Must start each one with a question, like "You're asking me to tell you about post restrictions, aren't you?"
Nobody Special: A very important wedding
Beastcharizard: smelling gross things
T-bone: Diamonds, jewels and celebrities

Ta da.

If I'm wrong, feel free to yell at me. Just not when I'm drinking milk, because I hate when coffee goes all over my clothes.

[Bookitty]

Would you mind reading over Nobody Special's ISO, T-Bone, while I try to scrub the teriyaki beef stain out of my brand new kitchen curtains?

After that, if you could give me a read on that slot, I'd be grateful.

[Bookitty]

Shockingly enough, no matter how much you try to smear peanut butter on my brand new bright-red rain slicker, it's not going to stick on there, T-bone.

Fine, whatever.

VOTE: Espeonage

I still think T-bone makes a better target to watch. At night. With binoculars. From a tree across the street.

Time stamp Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:14 pm

In all the flurry of trying to get married, and the missing wedding planner, and the caterer who absconded, plus the priest who turned gay and left for Fire Island, I've never properly mentioned my read on Espeo.

Total lurking scum.

VOTE: Espeonage

Now, can we PLEASE get on with my ceremony????

Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:55 pm

My spidey-sense is pretty good, but sadly I wasn't even here between L-1 and hammer.

I voted here:

I trust Nacho and I don't think he'd invite us for Chinese and then dump spicy kung pao chicken all over our bright red fluro jackets.

VOTE: Espeonage

I think that is L-2. Check for yourself, please, though.

Time stamp Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:58 pm

The Serenes said Espeonage would be replaced AFTER that:

espeonage will be replaced.

14 days, 15 hours, 43 minutes, tap tap tap tap tap tap.

So are you arguing that we shouldn't have been wagoning Espeonage because we psychically should have known he would be replaced?

Your hard-defense of Nobody Special is noted, though.

[Bookitty]

My post was about the players who let the lynch go through despite a replacement imminently incoming.

One of those players was Nobody Special, the person you got so upset over me voting.

How specifically did you get me and Muffin confused, please? You knew I put Espeonage at L-2. Did you miss the two following votes there? Why was I (or Muffin, whichever) so much worse than Nobody Special?

[Bookitty]

Well, and I'm obviously tired, or I wouldn't have been so stupid as to spill the pork and beans all over my favourite cashmere sweater of a post restriction.

Nonetheless, I'm thinking that Titus has it about right here. I don't see how this confusion between myself and Muffin came about. It feels like a chainsaw to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T-bone

[Bookitty]

Bookitty... what happened to you? What happened to us? What cruel world finds us as diametrically opposed to one another? Evil such as Baron Happlebap feels righteous to hunt down: like it is a particularly engaging sport, or video game. But lynching you even though you are scum simply hurts

At this point, I'm going to discuss some of my feelings and I'm not even going to care if your votes rain down upon me like whipped cream sliding off the top of an oversized ice cream sundae and onto the patent-leather shoes of a toddler on Sunday.

I have no clue why you think I'm scum, nor do I honestly care. I've never played with Titus before, so I don't have a good handle on her; same with you, though I'm sure you're town here because of F-16.

NotScience replaced out and T-Bone came in. I didn't think the hammer was especially telling, but my vote on Nobody Special was intended to elicit reactions. The reactions I EXPECTED were "Oh, he always plays like that," and sheep sheep sheep given that people were saying they couldn't keep up with the game. I also wanted a reaction from Nobody Special that has YET to materialise.

These were not the reactions I got. T-Bone had a conniption about people voting for Nobody Special when they were on Espeonage's wagon. However, both of the people who had voted for Nobody Special at that point had done so PRIOR to the replacement request. Muffin hadn't voted for Nobody Special yet when T-Bone began his diatribe.

Whenever I hear people saying "Everyone on the wagon is responsible!" I start thinking that they are posturing. T-Bone is no exception to this rule. It's such an obvious thing to say, especially given that we lost a player who was giving us zero way to read him. Yeah, he was town, but he wasn't helpful town. I believe that someone who sashays in and spills a Cheeto-smeared hammer vote all over the already besmudged wagon is ALSO responsible. Slamming down the hammer doesn't make you LESS responsible, but that's the tone that derives from T-Bone's comments.

I find it really ironic that AngryPidgeon then votes Titus for "fake posturing" when T-Bone's tone changes COMPLETELY after I correct some of his mistakes. All of Post 700 feels like fake outrage to me.

AngryPidgeon's Yesterday suspicions have all vanished with a town lynch. Titus wasn't on that lynch, by the way. She actually warned people off it. AngryPidgeon argued with her about it in Post 677 and was arguing also for T-Bone/NotScience scum while keeping his vote safely on ChannelDelibird, someone I think is town.

This evolution makes no real sense to me:

Tbone replaced....NS. I kind of see Titus's vote there right now. I'm frankly going to go right ahead and assert that Ika was probably bussed because I know I would have if I were scum.

@AP, If you think Tbone is pond scum growing on a dam, then why didn't you vote him?

Because I don't think that.

T-bone replaces NotScience. My read on NotScience waffled between light town and null-scum. I am tempted to drink muffin's koolaid on the slot because T-bone's hammer in one post schtick felt off from my limited experience of T-bone and I thought T-bone's defense

I dropped the proverbial emerald (SOOOOO SHINY) into Ika's coffin because he was scum. lol at 'T-Bone hammered to shut Ika up".... Are we reading the same game? The same game in which someone complained about Ika's LACK OF posting? Ika was the inevitable lynch, so let's not pretend I'm scummy because I came in and finished it. Certainly not to "shut him up".

was technically valid, buuuuuut I didn't like it. I think town would be more likely to approach this differently rather than try to pin a contradiction on Titus. I think there is some interesting thought behind what Titus said here and instead of trying to understand her perspective (and she is a person of interest given who she replaced) just takes what is on the surface and scoffs at it. Meh. Not sure. I'd probably vote this Today.

@AP, How long have you thought TBone was pondscum on a damn? Your recent mobility on him is giving me headaches.

Have you read the game? I have been talking about NotScience a fair amount before Tbone replaced him. I thought T-bone's posts in the thread all looked less than town. I don't know what you think you see with my 'progression' but you are clearly missing something important.

My gut has been rumbling about AngryPidgeon from the start. (My ISO will bear this out, I'm sure.) I still have Nacho as town, Ffery as town (though she seems a bit detached -- not going to read into that right now), ChannelDelibird as town. I think Titus is town too. T-Bone could be scum too, but I'm not thinking Nobody Special is scum at the moment. More a null read for me.

My most confident scumread at the moment is AngryPidgeon, so that is where I'm going to dump my vote like a big old plate of pasta marinara on the pristine ivory tablecloth of this game. I was deferring to others with more experience with him, but I'm done with that now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Bookitty]

I'm thinking you're town, Titus, but I don't think your addition of lemon sauce stains really helps my new spring frock stand out from the crowd.

I'm not so fine with NS. I'm okay with T-Bone, but I'm sticking with AngryPidgeon. I don't care about people sheeping me or building a stable wagon this early in the day; I'm interested in voting for the people I think are scum. I was all for building a consensus among people I think are town, but that depends on my trust in their judgment. There's no point in building a town bloc when I think town is being wrong. Being wrong doesn't make them scum, but it surely reduces my trust in their reads.

[Bookitty]

Have you made a non-hypocritical vote or a vote that wasn't on town for that matter? I suppose you voted F16 at some point before abandoning that vote like a [analogy too offensive, censored] yet you are quick to remind us about it!

I'm glad you chose to dump your cheese sauce all over my dress, but joke's on you -- it's already that colour of orange. Ha!

None of what you're saying here relates to anything I've done. I was dead wrong about Espeonage, you betcha. I did vote F-16 when I was suspicious of him BUT I didn't have a thing to do with his death and I wasn't voting him when he was modkilled. I voted Ika even though I was only meh-convinced he was scum when I did so; it was his later actions that made me feel it was probably merited.

So put up or shut up. Where have I been "quick to remind us about it" that I voted F-16? When have I EVER used that as a reason to think I'm town?

You're making this stuff up, AP. I already pointed this out once, you agreed and then omg here it is again. So quotes or it didn't happen.

I'm going to go wash my dress, not because of the cheese stain, but because I don't know where your hand has been.

[Bookitty]

Imagine my surprise that you're not going to come up with quotes that don't exist.

Almost as shocking as when my quintuple decker ice cream cone ended up mostly on my shirt. That was shocking too.

Having an illogical thought process is one thing. Being wishy-washy and coming down on every side of an issue is another. Your out-of-game outbursts about "unethical players" and players who are "bad at Mafia" just read as so much noise to me.

Nitpicking is part of Mafia. If this is your normal playstyle and you're so obviously town, I'm sure my one vote will be a lonely little crusade replete with chocolate-smeared fingers and cheap romance novels. So you got nothing to worry about, right?

[Bookitty]

One thing that stands out for me much like a gravy stain on an otherwise spotless white tuxedo is this:

Bookitty's Disgustingly Unofficial VoteCount

:

Nobody Special (3): Bookitty, Titus, Brantz

11 alive, 6 to lynch

T-Bone criticises those on the Nobody Special wagon and says essentially:

I guess we were all guilty, in a way. We all shot him, we all skinned him, and we all got a complimentary bumper sticker that said, "I helped skin Bob."

AngryPidgeon votes Titus. T-Bone votes Titus.

Bookitty's Disgustingly Unofficial VoteCount 2, now with more Titus:

Nobody Special (3): Bookitty, Titus, Brantz
Titus (2): AngryPidgeon, T-Bone

11 alive, 6 to lynch

Muffin votes T-Bone. I vote T-Bone.

Bookitty's Disgustingly Unofficial VoteCount 3, T-Bone steak stains on the tablecloth:

Nobody Special (2): Titus, Brantz
Titus (2): AngryPidgeon, T-Bone
T-Bone (2): Muffin, Bookitty

11 alive, 6 to lynch

Nacho votes me. Titus votes T-Bone.

Bookitty's Disgustingly Unofficial VoteCount 4, Kitty on the Menu:

Nobody Special (1): Brantz
Titus (2): AngryPidgeon, T-Bone
T-Bone (3): Muffin, Bookitty, Titus
Bookitty (1): Nachomamma

11 alive, 6 to lynch

I vote for AngryPidgeon. Titus doesn't want to, even though she was pushing that over Espeonage previously. She really doesn't want to, even after I tell her that I'm sticking there and Nobody Special's vote makes it more viable.

Bookitty's Disgustingly Unofficial VoteCount 5, Where is Titus?:

Nobody Special (1): Brantz
Titus (2): AngryPidgeon, T-Bone
T-Bone (2): Muffin, Titus
Bookitty (1): Nachomamma
AngryPidgeon (2): Bookitty, Nobody Special

11 alive, 6 to lynch

Now, I don't like being sheeped. I'm wrong often enough that I get antsy about making a mistake. That said, Titus sheeped me on NS, she sheeped me on T-Bone, and then on one of her PRIME suspects, AngryPidgeon, she said, "Ein minuten, bitte!" Since my vote on Nobody Special was intended to elicit certain reactions (I don't have him as scum; I've meta'd him and I've played with him -- to me, this is his townplay) I'm especially angsty about my push on T-Bone now.

It's like in an action film where three helpless victims are tied to chairs and being threatened with a giant pot of tomato ketchup. The hero resists valiantly and says nothing while one victim is viciously attacked and his clothes smeared. Another victim is drenched in the vile stuff. But when the hero's daughter/wife/husband/significant other is threatened, he speaks up and kicks into redirect mode.

I don't like it. I think it's weird. I want others to look at this and tell me if this ketchup stain looks like a scum silhouette or if it's just Rorschach messing with my head.

[Bookitty]

@Titus: If you had read my chocolate-smeared sweat pant postings prior to this, you would know that I voted Nobody Special to get reactions. I've said it more than once. I don't "like all of them as scum."

What do you mean, "They have more people?" More people think they are scum? I don't see that in the vote counts I've presented.

I love frogs unless they jump in the lobster bisque and send splatters all over the hoi polloi.

[Bookitty]

Considering that I'll be spending all day clearing off lobster bisque from my guests and my sofa since you apparently sent a plague of frogs to my home, why is that a bad thing?

One Day = Three Weeks in Mafia math. One point on which I agree with both Ffery and T-Bone is that we don't need to rush through this day. Why is it bad that all your scum reads are being pressured if you're town? I'd think you'd be delighted at the chance to get better reads on all of them.

Why are you instead reacting like I smeared my mustard-laden hot dog all over your Prom dress?

[Bookitty]

@Titus:

My priorities are different than yours. My vote is my own, much like this delicious egg sandwich I'm currently wearing all down my bathrobe. It's not my job to build wagons with you to help you push your scumreads; it's my job to try to find the people I think are scum. I don't want anyone proxying their vote to me and I'm sure as hell not proxying mine to you.

If you don't need better reads, then why are you wanting to clear things up with AP? Do you think he's town for certain now?

[Bookitty]

Despite my argument with her, I still do not think that Titus is scum and I will not be voting her Today.

>>INFRACTION

[Bookitty]

I am still trying to find the right cleansing compound to remove liver, fava beans and chianti stains from my linen-upholstered divan.

I don't like Nobody Special's vote on Titus nor his rationale for it. I don't find vote-switching or wagon-hopping particularly scummy; can you explain why you do, Nobody Special?

[Bookitty]

I'm really sorry I dumped all that firehouse chili and sauerkraut in your underwear drawer, Nacho. I'll help you clean up the mess. All is forgiven.

Seriously, I thought you were reaction testing anyway so I was never fussed about it.

I can't express enough how much I dislike Nobody Special's vote on Titus and I'm waiting for an explanation there.

Also, hi Pine!

[Bookitty]

Sorry about spilling all that tomato soup on you, Pine, but I clearly called dibs on that cinnamon Jolly Rancher so you completely and totally deserved it. Also, hello.

Post 695 contains the information you seek.

[Bookitty]

Welcome to the game, Mollie. Here, have a complimentary salad with extra French dressing -- oops. Okay, well, I'm sure that stain will come out eventually.

[Bookitty]

@Nobody Special:

Much like a hypothetical toddler hurling mashed potatoes at various members of her family at random and creating festive clothing stains for the holidays (I don't care if there's video evidence, I still maintain that wasn't me), I put my vote on three different people during the early part of this Day. How does Titus's vote-hopping differ from mine in that regard?

Also (and this is for anyone) can you look at my Post 749 and give me an opinion on it?

Thank you.

[Bookitty]

My liver is currently getting wrecked from all the 80 proof margaritas Ive been drinking, but still in to lynch Brantz and regret it in the morning, much like these margaritas.

The last time I had strawberry margaritas I ended up with a strawberry-shaped red stain on my shirt and hot wing sauce all over my shoes. I don't remember anything else that happened.

Why would you regret it in the morning?

[Bookitty]

Not to rain down clam chowder on your lovely ivory lace wedding dress, but you're flatly wrong, Nobody Special.

Titus replaced in during Day One.

She voted:

Post 516: Fferyllt.
Post 520: ChannelDelibird
Post 522: Ika

Ika is lynched. Day One Ends.

Day Two:

Titus voted:

Post 619 TBone
Post 621 TBone (shouldn't count, same person.)
Post 668 AngryPidgeon

Espeonage is lynched. Day Two Ends.

Tiershift dies.

Day Three:

Titus voted:

Post 694 Nobody Special
Post 720 TBone
Post 778 Nobody Special


That isn't eight votes in one day. It's three each day for three days. One was on scum (Ika), three were on Tbone and two were on you. That's far from random too.

[Bookitty]

Pinnacle of honorary-scum posting.

I have expended three cans of spray cheese, two of which currently adorn my pink taffeta frock in a lovely string-themed motif, trying to figure out what you mean by this. It's especially confusing given that you said you might lynch Titus.

In any case, it's not actually a response to what I said.

[Bookitty]

The cream of mushroom soup stains on my jacket should not be considered as evidence I am hoarding food. Maybe they were there already. Did you consider that?

I prefer an AngryPidgeon lynch, but am okay with Nobody Special lynch. I would like to give Pine time to post since he is V/LA.

I am not feeling the BRantz wagon myself. I need to reread Day One (and I'll try to do that today) to remember why I was twitchy about him then. Sheeping maybe. I just don't remember right now.

[Bookitty]

@Titus: Speaking of bones, this oxtail stew stain still looks pretty fresh. Om nom nom.

I feel like I understand your playstyle more now and I'm not so paranoid. However, I don't like AngryPidgeon dismissing a post that was suspicious of you as scum-posting (regardless of what he thinks my alignment is) and yet being suspicious of you himself for... why? [reasons?]

@AngryPidgeon: Why do you think Titus is scum, please? Spill it, like I spilled scorching hot lasagna on Nobody Special's second caterer.

Do you think Nobody Special thought no one would check on how many votes you had made, or do you think it was just a mistake? It seems like an awfully odd mistake to make imo.

Ninja'd: Yeah, okay.

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Bookitty]

Since you asked so nicely, ChannelDelibird, I'm going to spill my guts like I spilled maraschino cherry juice all over the tablecloth at the Sunday sundae church social.

BTW, pointing out the obvious because I love to do so as much (or else why would I point out Baron Happlebap's flaws as much as I have?): this interaction with F-16 kind of makes me hilariously town, considering he made a push on me, asked if I was townreading him, then switched tactics (twice!). If anyone disagrees with me, I'd love to know why!

This still seems valid to me. F-16 gave us a lot more to work with than Ika and so I'm much more influenced by Nacho's interactions with him than with F-16. It's worth noting that F-16 was not lynched and was not expecting to be lynched, so his interactions weren't being as guarded imo. I don't know about Ika (all I know is the sullen I don't WANNA post scum read) but I don't think it likely that F-16 would tie himself to Nacho-scum so comprehensively by first wagoning him gleefully and then offering to proxy his vote to Nacho. It doesn't make sense for a scum who expected to stay around for a while, and I think F-16 expected to stay around for a while.

I can't really derive anything useful from Ika's list; it looks like it's basically a rehash of what people were saying at the time. The outliers for me were Nacho (I think everyone thought he was town at that point), Beast (I thought he was town but I don't think everyone else was thinking that) and Nobody Special (was anyone seriously reading him as scum then? I really don't believe so).

All in all the list isn't helping me because it seems like a regurgitation of comments already made by others. I hate to dump the cherries jubilee on your cravat, but I don't have a lot to give in terms of the list. I am pretty sure Nacho is town though, despite his vote on me.

[Bookitty]

I trust Nacho as much as I trust that the cheese and sauce on my triple-cheese deep-dish pizza will slide off and stain my pajama pants. Please don't mock me. It's not my fault.

I also agree with everything he just said except the parts about the split personality, which are just scary and offputting.

VOTE: BRantz

I knew I had been twitchy about him earlier. Nacho just explained to me why.

[Bookitty]

@Nacho: Under threat of being dunked in a vat of BBQ baked beans while wearing a snappy white gabardine suit, please explain to me your townread on AP. I'm just not getting it.

Thank you!

@Ffery: I won't make threats about staining your clothes because of my deep love and respect for you. However, can you clue me in on how you're feeling about AP more specifically?

[Bookitty]

I kind of want to drench Nacho and AngryPidgeon with olive oil to reward them for being so very town, especially since I was pretty wrong about AngryPidgeon. But my mom says that 's archaic and you guys won't like it, so I'm not doing it. I'll just smudge your clothes with smeared chocolate to show that you're special to me.

I have Ffery and Nobody Special as town too, though not as bright and shiny town as the first two.

I'm kinda thinking we have just one scum left, so I'm fine with a Muffin lynch. I want to hear from Titus first and see what her take is on this first, though.

[Bookitty]

Not to spill nacho sauce on your fluorescent cumberbund of a theory, Muffin, but do you hold the same opinion of our revered and saintly Nachomamma? He too is townreading Nobody Special.

[Bookitty]

From my extensive research into NS's posts thus far (and I don't mean here, I mean literally everything NS has written ever, anywhere) it is my sincere belief that AP cannot have any real basis for townreading NS this game. NS literally lurks and pretends to catch up through every single game. Despite repeated requests, AP has not been able to produce a quality reason for townreading NS.

I believe this is indicative of scum trying to townhunt but doing a bad job of it.

Not to overturn your soup tureen onto your sleek black tuxedo, but why would that be enough to condemn AngryPidgeon (the first one on the BRantz wagon) and yet not enough to condemn Nacho?

Why would you think AngryPidgeon is obvscum given the events of YesterDay?

[Bookitty]

Please don't let my dilapidated and strawberry-ice-cream-stained overalls fool you. I know it's not playtime now.

Ffery is conftown. To me, AngryPidgeon is conftown for pushing Brantz's lynch.

Both Titus and ChannelDelibird defended Brantz; however, there's a difference in how they did it. Titus just dismissed the suspicion in Post 834 and actually pushed other wagons pretty hard. CDB, however, was pretty lurky (I'm not reading into that too much, but it's there) and said Brantz was town early on. In Post 839 he was still against a Brantz lynch. He expressed suspicion of Nachomamma in Post 841 but didn't vote there. Titus insists that Brantz will flip town (with some pretty aggressive phrasing) in Post 869.

I have good reason to be suspicious of CDB, as Ffery can verify. Titus was very wrong about Brantz, but her suspicions seem pretty organic and I can see the confbias working there. CDB hadn't even voted during the day phase that ended with the Brantz lynch that I can see. He also weighed in to express surprise at the Brantz flip, which in retrospect looks pretty creepy, like that suspicious barbecue stain on the shirt of a self-proclaimed vegan.

I believe that Titus is stubborn about her reads, and I think that she is exhibiting that tendency here. I believe that CDB is probably smarter than me and could fool me as scum. I believe there is only one scum left.

I believe I will vote CDB. But I don't want to lay down a vote at this time because of the history of quicklynches and hammers. Just consider my vote functionally on CDB.

My suspicion of the UT slot has to do more with repeated replace outs and less to do with actual posting outside the T-bone temporary occupancy. It just feels like that slot bleeds players like my cone bled strawberry ice cream all over my awesome playclothes today.

[Bookitty]

Okay, with the caveat that I'm not the greatest scumhunter, I am thinking this is UT-town.

I'm thinking it strongly enough that it overrules what I was thinking about T-bone.

So there's that.

[Bookitty]

And at the risk of smearing chicken casserole all over my kid-tested mother-approved Keds, we need to be watching our post restrictions. BE CAREFUL. It would be a stupid way to lose.

[Bookitty]

I will be cleaning up the food stains after that wafer thin mint incident last night and waiting for UT to catch up with the game.

[Bookitty]

I think that the game is proceeding so slowly is because people basically just want to disagree with me because it's cool to do so. UT is blantantly obviously pond scum trying to infect the local reservoir just looking to doubtcast who he can and buddy who he can't right now.

Not to spill a nice Hawaiian Punch on your happy little martyr hat, but you do realise that you hard defended Brantz and he flipped scum? Disagreeing with you because you were completely wrong yesterday might seem like a wise thing to do, let alone the cool thing to do.

What do you think of Nobody Special today, Titus?

[Bookitty]

Much like my overly dramatic gesticulation upending the bowl of tomato soup all over the tablecloth, you are making broad sweeping statements about how you are being ignored. Your reads are not that different from Ffery's or mine now. Acting like we're all disagreeing with you for the sake of it is not justified by the information in thread and is something you are bringing to the party.

If your scumreads are basically the same as everyone else's, why are you acting like we're all disagreeing with you for sport?

[Bookitty]

Much like my overly dramatic gesticulation upending the bowl of tomato soup all over the tablecloth, you are making broad sweeping statements about how you are being ignored. Your reads are not that different from Ffery's or mine now. Acting like we're all disagreeing with you for the sake of it is not justified by the information in thread and is something you are bringing to the party.

If your scumreads are basically the same as everyone else's, why are you acting like we're all disagreeing with you for sport?

Because y'all lynched Muffin faster than a cheetah given enough coke to kill a horse.

I'm going to have to dump the cream of mushroom soup all over your worn-out robes and old rugged cross right now and put a stop to this.

I didn't vote Muffin. I hadn't voted anyone when the lynch went through. You hadn't even weighed in. So how was that quicklynch an example of people disagreeing with you? How could they be disagreeing with you when you hadn't even said anything?

It seems to me you're smearing the oatmeal all over yourself and then complaining about how no one is paying attention to how messy you're being.

Do you think anyone associated with the Muffin lynch is scum, or do you think the scum are off wagon for that one?

[Bookitty]

I enjoyed the hot dog and my team jersey enjoyed the splat of mustard. But I guess it's time to move the team toward the goal posts.

VOTE: ChannelDelibird

[Bookitty]

I think it's kind of funny that as soon as I stop suspecting AngryPidgeon he starts suspecting me. Sort of like when I thought the wedding cake was going to fall all over Nobody Special but instead it landed squarely on the tuxedo of the groom.

If this is something people really want to explore I'll take the TSO option and vig myself with post restrictions. At least that way we won't lose a lynch for it.

[Bookitty]

At this point, AP, I'm convinced that you are town. However, this game is stalled. Anything that can give it some life is good at this point imo. I'm willing to take any amount of marinara sauce dumped on my pinafore to help push some action.

People are prod dodging and avoiding the game. If narrowing down the options is what it takes to promote re-engagement, I'm happy to do that personally. It's better imo than to just let this game drag on while people promise content at some future date and never deliver.

I think CDB is the most likely scum. I could also see Nobody Special or even an outside chance of Titus given her push-back on Brantz and not addressing it after the new Day dawned. I know I'm town; it doesn't follow that anyone else would know that, though. I mean, I helped you and Nacho push a lynch through on Brantz despite Titus's dramatic opposition to that. If that doesn't clear me in your eyes, maybe it's better to clear the field a bit more before the lynch.

tl;dr: I'd rather vig myself than let this game drag on as it's been doing of late. I can't make anyone else post, but maybe I can clear the field a bit more if the problem is too many choices.

[Bookitty]

@Ffery:

I keep going back to the SleepyKrew suspicion and the fact that Nacho said something about Titus doing the only thing she could to erase the scumread by pushing the Ika lynch. (I can find the quote if necessary.)

I have minimal direct experience with Titus but rumor has it she's very adept as scum. Her push back against Brantz really still bothers me like that

blood

coffee stain I can't get out of my coveralls. Her refocus from her being wrong about Brantz to expressing horror that Muffin was lynched before she could even post also feels off to me.

I asked her specifically about Nobody Special because I don't really feel like he's cleared either. Here's where I'm at (I'm pretty sure I said this before, but I think it's okay to say it again):

Fferyllt is Conftown by way of play and Mason claim.

AngryPidgeon's suspicion of Brantz and pushing it through makes zero sense for scum trying to win the game. Voting me at this juncture also doesn't seem like something scum would do.

UT is playing in accordance with my personal meta of him as town. Does that prove he's town? No, but I think he is.

Nobody Special: I am torn on this one. My gutread is that he's town based on some slight acquaintance with his playstyle earlier, but his overall posting hasn't really moved the game forward imo. I didn't like his vote on Muffin with minimal explanation. I don't know if scum would do that. I want to hear a whole lot more, including an answer to AP's question.

CDB: I'm torn on this one too. I know for a fact CDB is capable of seeming oh so very town while lying to me and breaking my heart.

Now we come to the one I can't figure at all: Titus. Pushing the lynch on Ika when he was practically cooperating with his lynch by posting nothing but crap -- that's not an outlier move for smart scum. I already said I didn't like the defense of Brantz and the continuing attempt to take on the town leader role through guilt and shaming. She votes Nobody Special out of the gate and then moves to UT with the reasoning, "I am just working with people I townread to get it done." Where was this spirit of cooperation with regard to Brantz?

It's not sitting well with me and I really don't want to get lasagna stains on this outfit on only the third day I've been wearing it, so talk to me about why I'm wrong on this, please.

[Bookitty]

I am in the process of washing and/or dry-cleaning all of my clothes, so all I have is this cocoa-stained bathrobe. Pardon my dishabille.

@MOD:

Could we please have a very painful electric cattle prod applied to ChannelDelibird, please?

I don't believe I'm going to be voting Untrod Tripod today. What do you think of CDB, Nobody Special?

[Bookitty]

I don't want to spill my Campbell's Chicken and Stars soup all over this bathrobe because it's the last semi-clean thing I have left to wear.

I've said before, NS, that I don't think UT is scum. I think he's town. Thus I don't want to vote him because that would be against my wincon, which I pledged to adhere to when I joined this game. I don't want to go back on my word and play against my wincon.

Why do you think UT is scum?

[Bookitty]

I apologise, but some things have come up at work that I have to deal with. I didn't foresee this, but my time constraints are going to be bad for the next two days at least (Thursday and Friday). I'm going to try to post, but for now:

V/LA until Saturday, please. I realise this is a stain on my otherwise spotless pirate shirt, but that's what happens when somebody overturns the apple pie.

[Bookitty]

I've returned to stain this thread like a dollop of chili sliding off the hot dog at the big ball game.

ChannelDelibird is STILL not posting here. I was V/LA for a hellish work project and I'm STILL less absent than he has been.

I think he's scum. I still am not comfortable with Titus but I'm starting to think it's playstyle differences and not scum indicative. I don't know this for sure, but I'm still happy with my vote on CDB.

I'm not sure what I am supposed to be weighing in on. Do you have any specific questions for me, AP? This general "I need to look into Bookitty more" thing has been going on for days and it's getting pretty old, honestly. Not as old as the spaghetti stains on my sneakers, but still not fresh and exciting.

[Bookitty]

Yes but UT and NS are also not posting here. Why call out cdb on inactivity? My stomach can't handle any more beer right now.

Despite spilling the punch bowl all over Nobody Special's handsome groom, I still think CDB is the most likely scum. Untrod Tripod needs to post more, too. Since he's not a prime suspect of mine, I'm not that concerned about it.

What are you waiting for from me, AP? I'm really curious about this. I'd also like you to outline what you think is suspicious now, please.

[Bookitty]

True story: I was working on this project from hell this week and one of my co-workers started silently mimicking the person who was right beside me talking to me, so I laughed suddenly and startled Ms. Dictation and she spilled coffee on me. Classic.

Okay. I don't like Titus's posting. My Post 978 lines out my problems with her. I guess I would look at Nobody Special again too.

You're cleared to me because late wagons on scum > early wagons on scum. I don't think it's out of the question that scum would bus early on, but with the number of scum down, I don't think they would bus Brantz so late in the game. This is part of what bothers me about Titus; she was happy to vote Ika but she fought against the Brantz lynch like a weasel on steroids attacking a wagon full of runny cheese. You were really instrumental in the Brantz lynch, so despite playstyle issues I don't think I would look at you tomorrow either barring something really unexpected.

Nobody Special could be scum, I guess. I don't have any confidence there. I think UT is town. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident in that read.

CDB vanishing, though, isn't sitting well with me. It's possible he's really busy. I have no way to know. I would think he would be more active as either alignment, but maybe he doesn't take the suspicion on him seriously.

[Bookitty]

The fact that CDB has been active on-site and not here is a pretty clear indicator that he's scum imo.

If he flips scum, I'm going to apologise to Nobody Special for spilling the punch bowl on the tablecloth and ruining the wedding with what's-his-name.

[Bookitty]

Can you guys just vote CDB and get this show on the road like armadillos trying to cross the road before the freight train arrives?

This makes me want to dump a whole plate of spaghetti on your settee, Titus.

Why don't you lead the way, then? I'm already voting him. Why are you encouraging others to do what you're not doing yourself?

[Bookitty]

@MOD:

I am unworthy, like a strawberry jam stain on the hem of your pristine white robes. Yet I supplicate you for one small favour, your Serene Highnesses:

Could you please remind us of when deadline hits?

[Bookitty]

It is pretty weird that that quote cropped up when you said you hadn't read the game yet.

It's like a strand of spaghetti on top of a gluten-free pizza: out of place.

[Bookitty]

I'm going to unvote for now pending information on when the deadline is or if we have a deadline extension.

In other news, I ate fifteen funnel cakes and I'm now delightfully coated in singed powdered sugar

UNVOTE:

[Bookitty]

Well, my Eggs Benedict went all Benedict Arnold on me and attacked my footie pajamas, so I'll be washing those out in a few moments.

I've revised a couple of opinions and I want to get those out there because I don't know when the deadline hits.

What hasn't changed: I still think AP and Fferyllt are town. I looked at interactions between Nacho and Ffery immediately upon her claim (I had her as town anyway) and they back up what she's saying. So from my perspective three of us are basically conftown.

I've been watching Titus really closely. I think she's town too.

That leaves three.

Nobody Special AKA Egg could be scum, but I can't point to anything specifically scummy there, especially given NS's general playstyle.

Untrod Tripod AKA the replacement circus. Yeah, this could be scum based on the number of replacements and the harsh treatment given to scum in this game so far. My second-top scumread based not on UT's play, which I feel has been pretty town, but on previous play and the constant replace-outs in the slot. In my experience, this indicates scum more than town.

CDB chose not to defend himself and instead replaced out through inactivity. I would prefer to lynch this slot because I don't see any way in which GoodMorning could redeem it now. I'm willing to wait and see, I guess, but without a firm idea on when deadline hits I think this is the way to go.

Also, something something strawberry pie smeared on the couch something else.

[Bookitty]

@Bookitty, How is AP town based on FFery being a mason? That's like saying the horse is a horse and the horse and the cow like each other so the cow is a horse too.

No, no, no. This is not what I was saying. The Ffery comments related to Ffery only. AP was town for pushing the Brantz lynch late in the game with few scum left. Why would he do that? I didn't think I had to repeat it again for the gazillionth time, but that's why I think AP is town. I could be wrong, but those two things are not linked except in that those two are my most town.

I guess your theory could explain the missing kill on night one. I didn't like AP saying he was absurdly town and had been all game. One, that's not true imo and two, why is he getting all upset when no one had actually voted him at that point?

Ffery, not to spill GatorAde on your football jersey, but can you talk to me a bit about your experience with AngryPidgeon: specifically, is he likely to bus for towncred? Have you seen that before?

[Bookitty]

I'm feeling rather peckish but I'm still not sure I want pigeon on the menu or on the tablecloth.

I still haven't got any idea when the deadline hits, but given the lack of support for the CDB lynch, I'm willing to join you, Titus, assuming you can make that wagon viable.

As it is, it looks like we're going to be lynching nobody at all.

[Bookitty]

titus is voting you, right? She said she'd join titus.

I'm really confused because i thought she was townreading you now.

I didn't drink that porter, so it's not beer goggles confusion.

I prefer the CDB lynch. I'm most confident there. My vote is still there.

AP is the only person I can see who was throwing shade on a lot of different people; since I believe that there is only one scum left, I could see the Brantz thing as bussing (Nacho pushed that, if I recall correctly, and AP just went along as did I). I'm not certain AP is town now. He fits a certain profile of lone scum and I don't discount that.

By my calculations, today is deadline. I'm willing to vote AP if that's the only way to get a lynch. No one is willing to move (most aren't even willing to vote) so I was willing to spill the beans (on the picnic table) and say that I would vote AP if it's the only way to get a lynch.

I think I said if Titus could make that wagon viable, I would join it. Right now we don't even have one viable wagon. To me, that's a problem.

[Bookitty]

I was sure that I was still voting CDB, but I guess that I wasn't. Joke's on me, much like the yolk was on me earlier.

VOTE: GoodMorning

[Bookitty]

I'll self vote to avoid a no lynch.

I'm not going to let this town succumb to an upset stomach.

(Im fine with lynching UT too fwiw)

Not to rain spaghetti on your delightful smorgasbord, but this won't help. There are three votes on GoodMorning and only one on you that I see.

[Bookitty]

I've just been thrown out of an all-you-can-eat buffet for eating more than all-I-could-eat (which is clearly bogus, I'm thinking of suing) and I'm in a mood.

No, seriously, AP, I'm on CDB/good morning. If there's a compromise lynch, no one is suggesting it. I'm open to suggestions. I don't want to lynch you (yeah, your offer to self-hammer moved you back to the town side of my equation, I admit it, and if you suckered me, well done) and I won't lynch Ffery.

GoodMorning saying that they're STILL reading the thread as an excuse for not participating seems really convenient to me. I don't like it. I want to lynch it.

Egg, Titus, can you please help us avoid a no-lynch?

[Bookitty]

Here's where I am, paranoia evident like the ketchup stains on my Keds.

Fferyllt: Why is she still alive? Could I be wrong about her? I surely have been before, and she's for sure smart enough to fool me. Still townreading this -- I think the paranoia may be deliberately induced.

Titus: She could be buddying me. I need to reread and think more about this. I am not surprised she wasn't nightkilled; I'm surprised Ffery wasn't.

Untrod Tripod: I was fine with him until he said "Boo would want you around." Why would I want Titus around, UT? Can you explain that to me?

AngryPidgeon: I don't know. The Egg thing is a little obvious imo if he's actually scum. I also need to think about this more.

Is this one of those situations where you're supposed to No Lynch and see what happens tomorrow? We know there is just one scum left, so is that the right move now? (It's not a rhetorical question, I've never understood the criteria that have to apply for no-lynch to be the right move and I'm sincerely asking now.)

[Bookitty]

Okay. I've thought about this a bit between munching on tortilla chips and distributing salsa evenly all over my stylish but affordable leather boots.

I'm not voting Titus or Ffery today. Titus because upon thinking about it more, I don't think she would have hard defended BRantz that way if she were scum. Ffery - if she's scum, I think she probably deserves a win. She knows why I am paranoid of her but her argument about Nacho makes sense too and I did think the evidence supported her mason claim.

That leaves AP and UT. My gutread on either could be wrong. I'm thinking about both in connection with the nightkill and the thread, but it's likely my vote will land on one or the other today.

[Bookitty]

I want to look at day 5 plays that should have drawn penalty flags.

I started this earlier but lost wifi before I was finished and basically have to start over.

I have a probably crackpot theory but I need to see what the data says.

Not to overturn the escargot tray onto your cargo cult and spill melted butter on your deck shoes, but have you made any progress here?

I am making a decision (right or wrong) to trust Titus here. We'll see how that works out for us.

I'll be voting AP barring any new evidence from Ffery in the next couple of days.

[Bookitty]

Do I really need to make a case now, Titus?

I can't see any way you're scum, so:

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Bookitty]

I don't believe you.

If I'm wrong, I'll take the hit, but that claim isn't really believable to me given previous play (and lack thereof) in that slot.

[Bookitty]

Seriously, Titus?
<3 <3 <3

So awesome

[Bookitty]

I guess I'm preeeeeeeeeeetty slippery

You're likable, UT. It's hard to want to lynch you!

[Bookitty]

You were awesome, Titus. I am now a true believer in the patented Titus VCA

There was no way I would have voted you today, so the claim making sense or not was a moo point anyway.

[Bookitty]

I'm honestly really proud of myself for making it to 3p lylo

You should be. You took a slot that was basically irredeemable and stayed in the game right up til the very last vote.

That's an achievement you SHOULD be proud of

[Bookitty]

Why'd I die before ffery?

Everyone was hungry and you looked delicious. :p

This game was so much fun! Thanks to everyone, and sorry to AP for not trusting in you more.

[Bookitty]

I am making a decision (right or wrong) to trust Titus here. We'll see how that works out for us.

As of that post there was no longer any possibility that I would vote Titus, so it wouldn't have mattered from my perspective.

[Bookitty]

To be fair, you were pushing equal amounts of suspicion my way on the Egg kill and that didn't help to make you look town to me since I knew my own alignment

[Bookitty]

I'm trying here, but my VCA does ferret out conftowns and I believe that and I'm not going to have them lynched. I just don't want it to be said as obnoxious but sheeped.

I'm a believer now, Titus. I think what you need to do to be believed in general is:

1. If you think you have conftown, just say that. Don't push one suspicious person over another. If you're wrong on which one of two is the guilty party, then that undercuts your credibility and makes people suspicious of you. Stick only to the facts you know first; then you can express your opinions. Label your opinions as opinions, though

2. Point to games in which it worked, especially if you start applying Step 1 above. It will make you look like a genius

3. Don't overstate your case. Anything that is known to catch scum can be manipulated. At best you should claim a 90 percent chance that you're right on town or scum imo; you never know when you're going to get played.

I'll believe in you now that I know your playstyle better, but that's another thing. I didn't find you arrogant. I just had trouble understanding where you were coming from at first. Now that I think I get you better, I think it would be easier to trust in you in the future. <3

[Bookitty]

@Serene2,

Love the end flavor, but I am SOOOOOOOO breaking Bookitty out of prison with the celebrity lawyer... maybe next game?

<3 <3 <3 Don't worry, anyway. I'm plotting my revenge even now. Wait til you see who I cast to play Kuribo and DGB in the movie version. You guys are going to be SO SORRY.

[Bookitty]

Yeah, think again. Patton Oswalt has expressed interest. :p

[Bookitty]

I always picture you as Cobie Smulders playing Maria Hill in the first Avengers movie, Titus.

[Bookitty]

<3 <3 <3 Ffery!