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Nah. I'm just gonna sit on my wall and hope I don't have a great fall.- Egg
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You seem legitimately worried about reading certain people. As scum, it wouldn't matter. And yeah, I know you mean it in jest, but it's clearly on your mind enough to post about it. Also, you're questioning my town read on you now which shows that reading me is more important to you than my read on you.- Egg
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He's right that it probably doesn't hurt and I doubt he's lying about his role this early. I can't answer for everyone else.
Preview edit: i doubt he can answer that without claiming based on what he's said so far.- Egg
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↑ Keybladewielder wrote:There's nothing more to say. No one is hitting me a scummy. We're still in RVS.
So you think Espeonage was joking about wanting people's flavor?- Egg
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It's more that he isn't doing anything to get us out of that stage of the game and is putting blinders on to the fact that things happened. I doubt he honestly believes Espeonage was joking too.- Egg
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Apparently he has a bunch of styles, but I'm familiar with the overly literal spamming one and it annoys me. Probably would have /outted if I realized he was here. That's my own fault though for not checking.
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I'd probably vote you on policy because the last person (well, hydra) I saw do this was scum and we let them get away with it because of a 3 shot friendly neighbor claim with two failed shots and a shot confirmed by their scumbuddy. And I'm still pretty bitter to be honest. It makes it imposible to keep up.
Also not seeing SeoScum.- Egg
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Ok, going through my Bookmarks (slightly out of order because List Mods just made some last posts), I see a few games I got to late because of work and micros which are pretty different. But...
Cheetory6 wrote:Anyone with meta on Egg know if he tends to make outlandishly strong statements based on nothing at the start of D1?
Om the Nom wrote:im just gonna say right now that i dont think egg is onto antyhing that is actually serious in any way or truly alignment indicative
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=59777 . Granted, Cheet was my scumbuddy but still.
Also, this post by me might interest you from that game:
↑ Egg wrote:Cheet, it's not exactly "nothing", but here are some Page 1 quotes from me in past games:
Egg in Inuyasha Mafia wrote:Page 1:
Someone on that Abomination early wagon is scum. Leaning either Shos or Kdowns. Not that it's a bad wagon, but scum are bound to take advantage. Yes, this means I am townreading that slot.
Egg in Hope Plus One wrote:Vote TheYankeeReaper
For a "just because" vote on someone who was already voted. Bandwagoning without wanting to call it that
Egg in N's AAA wrote:Vote called
"Scum sux!!!!!!!!" looks forced.
^That's my last three completed games.
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^I agree with Tier. I find it hard to see most of what you post as intelligent thought without capitalizing and punctuating.- Egg
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Bert, if you are town you should vote for who you think is scum regardless of how it might be percieved. As for my vote, I don't have a confident scum read on anyone. There's a lot of useless garbage in the thread. Most of it is either fluff or pointless bickering. I can't pick out any player and say "yes this is who we need to lynch". It sucks because I don't usually have that problem, but in this thread, it's an issue for me. My best guess for a scum team is Keyblade, Wisdom, Flames but I can't make a strong case against any of them.- Egg
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↑ Bert wrote:
Kay. While I do that, please do so as well.
Your list is two people who are lynchbaiting (you don't have any case on Keyblade that's better than a case on any of the inactives/lurking, and you think Flames is scum because ????), and one player you happen to dislike playing with (but why is Wis scum, in that case?). You could have singled out different players for the same thing, so I don't understand.
I fully intend to do all of that. Unfortunately, I'm about halfway through a stretch of working nine days. But that's followed by and eigtht day stretch where I only work one day so that's probably when I'll do it.
Bert wrote: Why is this type of posting/game length/content not usually a problem for you? Most of the player list is inactive.
I meant mafia games in general. Usually, I have a couple of strong reads each way by now and at least some impression on all but maybe two slots. So far, I don't have that. Isos should help.
Bert wrote: Also, this just seems like a cop-out to "not work with Wisdom." Without anything substantiated with the "I played with you on other accs" excuse to spew the vitriol about not wanting to play with Wisdom
This was in response to Wisdom saying I've hardly played with him so I can't be too annoyed by him.
Looking at your last post, is all you came up with that Lastman and micc are scum reads?- Egg
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↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Why was that painful to read? Is it because of wisdom? Did you see my question addressed to you?
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↑ Micc wrote:Did we not ever actually get that deadline extension? Im out of town, hungover, and dont have a lot of time for this.
MS is serious about unlynchable. I dont think scum unlynchable is a role in this game. I also dont believe in letting an unlynchable claim go untested into the endgame. So, im completely up for lynching MS today. If he turns up unlynchable then hes confident town for the rest of the game.
VOTE: metal sonic
I'll try to be back in ~10 hours after bowling.
Unvote, Vote Miccfor advocating no lynch Day 1.
Like I said, tomorrow is probably catch up day- Egg
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Flames wrote: Page 11 - Agree with NM and I don't think KBW is scum either. Scum would try too hard to make good posts and that's not what I'm seeing in KBW
Flames wrote: Page 19 - Egg's comment made me go ISO KBW to get a reread on him. Just did that and KBW hasn't done much to change my read :/.
So you still think he's town after ISOing or...? Because the second quote feels like you are maintaining a scum read without the first quote to support it.
Metal Sonic wrote: I've explained my tiershift read
If this is true, I'm sure all find it in your ISO but your reasons that I remember are pretty much "lynch tier", "tier is scum", and "sheep me on tier".
Flames wrote: LMS has been on my scum list since page 5 and you've furthered that so how the hell are you obvtown?
Flames wrote: You're still scummy whether LMS was in this game or not
Uhhhh. So which is it?
Hmm. BBT's post where he says he'd lynch a lurker and acknowledges his own inactivity is pretty town. His logic that Tier can't scum read him and accept that he might be town at the same time is bad logic though. No one has perfect reads in every game and acknowledging that is a sign of good play, not a scum tell. The only thing Tier has done that might be scum is his push on Metal Sonic, but I feel he's been pretty logical even on that. I really hate this phrase, but this feels town vs town. Both players seem to genuinely believe they are right.
Marquis vs Flames on the other hand probably has scum in it. Marquis' post about no interest in the day is bad. But on reflection, I don't know that scum Marquis would say that. Flames' BBT vote had no explanation whatsoever and then the Marquis thing seemed like a throwaway comment. Leaning Flames scum and Marquis bad town.
Tier, can you explain your town read on Flames?
I'm gonna do ISOs now. And I won't be offended if you guys wait until Day 2 to respond to my stuff.- Egg
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Bert:
ISO 6 - Not claiming his pokemon is probably null itself. But his reasoning of not knowing what info scum has seems like a legitimate worry unless he is scum with specific info that tells him knowing everyone's pokemon will help. I can't think of what that info might be, so I lean towards the town side of this.
10- he saw what I saw regarding Keyblade. I tend to townread these situations because it shows his head is probably in a town mindset looking for scum.
12 - reasonable conclusion for the above.
13-16 good questions and feels like a natural pregression on the Seo scum read. I'd like to know how strong this read is now though.
24/25 don't get the Not Mafia hate. "Tossing questions" doesn't seem scummy to me.
29 lurker lynch thing, I can go either way on. Town who wants more activity or scum testing waters. What I can conclude from this for sure is that if Bert flips scum later, he had at least one buddy who was active in the thread at that time. He wouldn't make that post with two lurking scumbuddies.
31-45 bert came out of his exchange with me looking town in my opinion. He felt very open and genuine. I don't get the feeling he was trying to decieve me or hide anything at all. His reads list wasn't the best, but the conversation felt pretty real.
46 I like the BBT call out but would like to know why he was singled out over other lurkers.
49 BBT kind of asked the same thing I wondered above, but Bert's answer references a post that came after 46 so that doesn't help me much.
53 good points to when talking to BBT, but it's more about optimal play than it is about BBT's alignment.
Overall - I like Bert for town right now.
BBT:
9 questioning town reads on one's self is one of my favorite town tells
10 this keyblade vote is hard to judge without knowing keyblade's alignment.
13/14 keyblade vote got easier to judge. I don't like it now.
15/16 would like to know why BBT naked voted flames for exactly one post before returning back to Keyblade.
18: tier scum read feels genuine. The keyblade one not so much. Mixed feelings. Theory: BBT is frustrated with Keyblade's play and wants him to be scum.
BBT wrote: People read better through post links than quote walls IMO.
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19-23: I like most of BBT's reasoning. Not a strong town tell or anything, but he's using his head. He's probably capable of faking all of these stances though. Wouldn't be hard.
25. Apology for lurking and "shit attempt to play" reads like he feels bad. Not sure scum would do this. Or at least it would sound forced from scum.
27 goodposting and explains the Micc town read.
31-35 getting that same good reasoning vibe.
39-42 weird reads but he seems to back them up pretty well.
43-66 shows he believes in his read and looks more confident in his play than before. Not something I expect from scum who is being discussed for a lynch.
67-current reads town regardless of Micc's flip. He'd have hammered a buddy sooner and BBT just didn't read like he wanted to lynch his town read. Perfectly fair.
Overall : BBT is probtown.
Espeonage:
0 Bert vote seems ok. Claim seems legit. I don't really see scum doing this unless they think their actual role seems like a town role which I haven't ruled out
1-12 fluff, unexplained reads, discussing his claim, and a hint of setup spec.
13: In hindsight, it's funny that he thought he'd draw doc protection. Scum aren't gonna kill him the way he's played.
14-31 useless and obnoxious
32: actually a pretty decent vote
33-35 useless and fluffy
36: I like that he questions town reads on him.
Overall: his play is shit regardless of alignment. The hints of actually playing the game look town though and I believe his sort of claim. I've basically stashed Espeonage to the back of my mind, but consider him a town read.
Flames:
0: the lastman read is weird as hell because that post was null as fuck. BBT vote is decent though.
2: I feel like I get what he is saying but I'm coming to the opposite conclusion even just using his reasoning.
3-8: the Keyblade callout is good. I get slight town vibes from referencing his own role so early. Not sure I like how much time he spends talking about flavor claims.
9-22 pretty fluffy here. Not saying a whole lot.
23-26 Not sure why but that whole catch up felt forced to me. See my last post for a couple of specific issues.
29 not so sure scum would take this stance on Metal Sonic, actually, unless he had a buddy being wagoned or specifically wanted no lynch. He seems to actually disbelieve the claim and think Sonic is scum. Of course, Micc could be Flames' buddy, but then why not just vote BBT?
35 lol there's that BBT vote. Maybe Flames IS scum with Micc.
Overall: Honestly, I came out of this less confident in Flames being scum than I expected. I definitely have issues with his play and wouldn't call him a town read, but his ISO didn't look as scummy as I expected it to if that makes sense.
Keyblade:
0-2 doing jack shit
3 says he has nothing to say. Now he's actively choosing to do jack shit.
4/5 jack shit
6 says no one is scummy. We're all town. Town wins. Game over. That was fun.
8 still no scum and says we are in RVS. This feels like a lie. RVS ended five pages before this post when things started happening.
9 confirms that he believes Espeonage's claim was a joke.
11 points out he is L-2
11-14 says he'll re-read
15/16 lists a few scum reads. No reasons.
17-20 jack shit
21: now we have Keyblade's first reason for a read.
Overall - there isn't much here but I don't like the little bit that I see. Still scum reading this.
Lastman/Metal Sonic:
Lastman:
0-3 I feel like he's taunting/trolling BBT and Keyblade. Probably not scum with Keyblade.
4-7 there is nothing here.
Metal Sonic:
0 opens with the unkillable claim. Reserving judgement.
2-5 reads with no reasons and fluff.
6 I actually don't get the impression that Wisdom is concerned with his image. I think he just plays mafia to troll because he thinks it's funny to act like a stubborn child in a game that people take seriously. I don't think he plays to a win condition. He plays to frustrate people.
8-24 a lot of fluff and instigating the Wisdom hate seemingly for the sake of it. what is going on here
25 naked vote on Keyblade. Last I knew, Metal was kiwi wa baka reading Keyblade or something. What does that mean? Was that a scum read? Any reasons?
27-40 tier is scum and micc is town and as far as I can tell the reasoning is pretty much just because.
41 can you elaborate on this? Who is scum with keyblade and why?
53 sonic is townreading BBT. Also appears to be just because
Overall- not impressed. Not sure what to make of it.
Marquis:
0-17 all I see here is Marquis is scumreading Bert and we don't get to know why
18 here's the post I commented on before.
Overall - there is nothing here except the slight town tell in 18.
I'm catching myself skimming and losing interest. I still have to do Not Mafia, seo, Tier, and Wisdom. My initial reads on those players are town, wavering, town, weak scum respectively. Those could change.
Town to scum as of right now:
BBT
Bert
Tier
Not Mafia
Espeonage
Marquis
Metal
Seo
Wisdom
Flames
Keyblade
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Tier, true but this happened:
And that's about where I was on my read when I typed that.
Wisdom, I said I would do them before we knew Micc was even being lynched. Just following through the best I can. I don't see any reason to put it off just because Micc is dying.- Egg
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Egg wrote:Town to scum as of right now:
BBT
Bert
Tier
Not Mafia
Espeonage
Marquis
Metal
Seo
Wisdom
Flames
Keyblade
Also, I don't have mobile access until the 24th so I'm kind of V/LA as a primarily phone poster with no internet at home. Currently robbing wifi from the Mcdonald's I drove 10 miles through a snowstorm to get to just for brief internet access.- Egg
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Actually, it's not just the fact that he is lurking. It's the clearly intentional act of doing so, lying about believing we were in RVS, and giving reads without reasons. The fact that he is actively choosing to do jack shit while still posting and hasn't given a decent stance on anyone is far worse than just being too busy for the game. If I wanted a pure lurker lynch, I'd vote Marquis. - Egg
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