Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Egg

Most likely to crack under pressure

[Not_Mafia]

I'm in a game with two people who had me completely fooled when they were scum.

That's not a great start.

Are you just gullible or do you suck as town or what?

The point of this post is?

I wanna know. It doesn't seem like a completely normal reaction to me.

Specify what you mean by pretentious and "completely normal" and where BBT is doing this. Right now I have no idea what you mean

[Not_Mafia]

Policy or srs bznz?

[Not_Mafia]

Why do you think scum is going to behave like Kbw rather than just lurk?

BBT, what experience do you have with Bert?

[Not_Mafia]

None, but the name rings a bell for some reason.

Well he's doing the same thing as Kbw so why kbw and not Bert?

[Not_Mafia]

And the first question was directed at you also

[Not_Mafia]

No particular serious reason? And that also doesn't answer my first question

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Unless you want to show me when you became so uncooperative

[Not_Mafia]

less likely to be something that can be taken advantage of by scum.

Disagree, certain mons are going to be more like to be more powerful PRs

[Not_Mafia]

Know something we don't Flames? You were in SDR2 Mafia where I was a flavour cop so you should know how in theory it could benefit town

[Not_Mafia]

@flames Well mine are based on my pokemon's learnset and so is the sample role pm's so...

and that has nothing to do with what I said

[Not_Mafia]

Espeonage, what is your experience with Bert? And do you disagree with #77?

[Not_Mafia]

Like incredibly strongly disagree. You can pull a move from almost any pokemon's moveset and make a role out of it.

Maybe because my homesite is a Pokemon forum and I am used to seeing Metapods and shit like that as power roles.

What makes you so confident this is going to run like a Smogon game? I knew you were from Smogon, I'm not familiar with their game meta but if Smogon is your homesite I imagine you'd be at least tangentially clued up on the competitive side or the in game side of things and what mons are good and are meant to be good, are you really not even slightly trepidacious that certain mons are more likely to be better PRs?

[Not_Mafia]

Okay I can understand your reasoning. But a 1 in 27 chance of you catching scum isn't exactly tantalising, we random lynch with better probably than that

[Not_Mafia]

Why so willing to flavourclaim Egg? Do you think we all should and why?

[Not_Mafia]

Espeonage considering the loaves of bread you've been dropping about being PR it doesn't seem like making lategame is a prority of yours.

Kbw do you have even an inkling of a read on a single user?

[Not_Mafia]

There are at least dozen things that can completely mitigate that, it's just an almost irrational level of confidence for a high risk seemingly low reward situation

[Not_Mafia]

Okay Espeonage is a strong townread, still not convinced to flavourclaim though

[Not_Mafia]

Not mafia, why is it high risk?

We don't know exactly how flavour interacts with roles. PRs etc...

Hell, why is it even low reward.

I go from my ability working 1 in 165 times to working 1 in 27 times.

Flavor doesn't necessarily show what kind of role I have and if someone has a role where it helps to know it, I'm cool with that. Like I said, I doubt he's lying at this stage of the game.

I'm not arguing with either of these things, but the "not necessarily" part is the the important part

[Not_Mafia]

Kbw wagon sucks and there is 1-2 scum on it.

@mod BBT is voting twice

Fixed.

[Not_Mafia]

Looking at it has reminded me that Wisdom is in this game though. Wisdom what are your reads?

[Not_Mafia]

Because I've seen Wisdom who contributes, I've seen obnoxious spamposter Wisdom, I've never seen lurk Wisdom

[Not_Mafia]

Pidgeot is No. 18, so we'll see soon enough

[Not_Mafia]

Kbw is still a shitty and boring wagon. She is town lurking, not scum lurking.

[Not_Mafia]

86 - KBW, moaning that there is nothing to comment on whilst doing absolutely nothing to provide things to comment on. Scummy.

Why does scum continuously float and attract negative attention despite being called out on it multiple times? Kbw is a policy lynch at best.

155 - Disagree with Egg 'trying to look townie'.

Agree with Seo looking scummy.

Why? On both counts

162 - NM, who was the scum on the wagon then? What a shitty comment to throw out and back up with absolutely nothing.

Who am I voting? Why am I voting them?

You could post one quote per post. Sure, that results in spamposting, but it's better than quote walls imo

No

[Not_Mafia]

260 - Because it might look suspicious for him to change his behaviour immediately? Because he is relying on someone defending him against the 'PL'? To avoid actually having to contribute?

Seems like an excuse to stay on the wagon, these are just reaching, even now at L-2 Kbw clearly doesn't give a shit about his wagon

Seo's 'RVS' vote lasted way too long and his defence of his vote reeked of scum.

The unvote was weird, will have to check if it's a playstyle thing. What do you think of Tier's "focus" thing? i.e. What do you think he means and did you get the same sense?

No

well thats what i do when i catchup

Please don't fall behind this game

[Not_Mafia]

No

well thats what i do when i catchup

260 Why is Kbw scum?

[Not_Mafia]

No

well thats what i do when i catchup

260 Why is Kbw scum?

[Not_Mafia]

NM you've yet to tell me why KBW is town

260 Why is Kbw scum?

[Not_Mafia]

229 - I really like this. Spam-posting is good scum tactic to create apathy.

Actually it's more often scum who post things like this to look good.

Also, scum benefit much more from a slow game where nothing is happening than they do from a spam-posting one where they are unable to keep up. Trust me, scum kill me N1 all the time for this.

Your vote would be appreciated. What do you think your current vote is doing?

[Not_Mafia]

So he's town because "too scummy to be scum"?

No. Now why is he scum?

[Not_Mafia]

No it isn't, I said because he is consciously attracting negative attention.

No, do you have experience with scum Kbw to say he posts this way?

Now why is he scum?

[Not_Mafia]

Remind me to blacklist you postgame

[Not_Mafia]

It's not the vote it's the whole exchange, I'm really burnt out on your "posting style" after Duck Tales

[Not_Mafia]

I didn't catch up until day 2, and I still had to read it. And it told me your spamposting from the masons game wasn't a scum thing but consistent "playstyle" thing. And yes Bert, I got frustrated,I'm not a robot as some users seem to think

[Not_Mafia]

It's not your blacklist

[Not_Mafia]

That's you misintrepeting what I'm saying and me restating it, if you can't see the distinction between what I said and what you said then that's nothing to do with me

[Not_Mafia]

Not_mafia has a huge stick up his ass and I wanna know why.

Oh you

Why is kbw town other than 'attracting negative attention'? He was basically active lurking and doing so blatantly, which is null more than anything.

Disagree, look at LMS and BBT versus Kbw

Caught up.

That were 14 empty pages.

A lot happened here.

[Not_Mafia]

Disagree, look at LMS and BBT versus Kbw

This versus thing never happened. Those votes were just as bad, or worse, than mine. Heck, BBT should be thrown in the suspicion pile. LMS...well he's just the most lurky one in the game, unless marquis is actually reading this game

I meant look at how Kbw lurks versus how they lurk

Why is kbw town other than 'attracting negative attention'? He was basically active lurking and doing so blatantly, which is null more than anything.

Disagree, look at LMS and BBT versus Kbw

What is there to see there?

Kbw is in your face and unapologetic about it, LMS and BBT are slinking through evading all attention. And Seohyun has just reminded me Marquis is in the game and is doing this too, but he does all the time, LMS is an unknown to me but I know BBT hates lurkers.

[Not_Mafia]

Prodge, haven't read page 16 yet

[Not_Mafia]

Why are BBT and Egg strong town?

[Not_Mafia]

And explain Flames for good measure, I can't recall him even posting

[Not_Mafia]

Okay, assuming you aren't BSing for a moment, why won't you explain your reads?

[Not_Mafia]

Votecount

Flames682

(0)-

Bert

(1)-

Marquis

Marquis

(0)-

Seohyun

(0)-

Metal Sonic

(3)-

Tiershift, Bert, Flames257

Wisdom

(1)-

Espeonage

Espeonage

(0)-

Micc

(2)-

Wisdom, Seohyun

Egg

(0)-

BlueBloodedToffee

(2)-

Not_Mafia Keybladewielder

Keybladewielder

(3)-

Egg, BlueBloodedToffee, Micc

Not_Mafia

(0)-

TierShift

(1)-

Metal Sonic

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline is February 1st, 2015, at 11 AM EST. This is in (expired on 2015-02-01 11:00:00)

[Not_Mafia]

Worst part of MS' slot is LMS, still think BBT is the the more likely candidate for scum lurker. Still not touching the Kbw wagon and inclined to hunt off it, as much as I hate to agree with Wisdom Micc's hop on Kbw came from nowhere and sucked hard.

VOTE: Micc

[Not_Mafia]

We still have time to lynch BBT

[Not_Mafia]

I can't KNOW.

But you're talking to him like he is town in the first part.

Cognitive dissonance.

VOTE: BBT

[Not_Mafia]

Will go back to Micc if necessary

[Not_Mafia]

post 591, BlueBloodedToffee"]I can't KNOW.[/quote]

Why would you want to work with someone you're scum-reading?

We still have 21 hours to lynch this

[Not_Mafia]

There's no way BBT is seriously pushing this nonsense as town.

[Not_Mafia]

Votecount

Flames682

(1)-

Marquis

Bert

(0)-

Marquis

(0)-

Seohyun

(0)-

Metal Sonic

(2)-

Micc, Tiershift

Wisdom

(1)-

Espeonage

Espeonage

(0)-

Micc

(4)-

Wisdom, Seohyun, Egg, Bert

Egg

(0)-

BlueBloodedToffee

(3)-

Keybladewielder, Not_Mafia, Flames193

Keybladewielder

(0)-

Not_Mafia

(0)-

TierShift

(2)-

Metal Sonic, BlueBloodedToffee

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline is February 1st, 2015, at 11 AM EST. This is in (expired on 2015-02-01 11:00:00)

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Micc

Would still much prefer BBT if we can get the numbers, he's obvscum and it should only take one look at his Tier push to see why

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you still on your dead end wagon so close to deadline?

[Not_Mafia]

So you want to no lynch?

[Not_Mafia]

INtent to hammer with 7 minutes on the clock?

@MS would you have voted MIcc if BBT wasn't here?

[Not_Mafia]

I'll PM Natirasha, don't know if she had mod powers though

[Not_Mafia]

I forgot to PM Natirasha, don't want her being blamed for anything. NS has been on site yesterday so I think we'll be getting a new mod

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: BBT

[Not_Mafia]

Do you think BBT actually believes his scumread on Tier?

[Not_Mafia]

I was prodded

[Not_Mafia]

So you think what Bert is doing looks like a bus?

[Not_Mafia]

@BBT What distinction do you draw between what Flames is doing and what you're doing exactly?

[Not_Mafia]

NM, I'm not interested in talking to you.

Rude

[Not_Mafia]

Well maybe if you work with me I'll break out of it (I probably won't)

[Not_Mafia]

Want lynched BBT

Will lynch Wisdom, Marquis, Seohyun

[Not_Mafia]

Okay effort time I guess

Flames682

I've played with Flames quite abut but I can't recall a scum game of his off the top of my head, come to think of it the fact we share a read should be some sort of red flag, my read on him is usually a "I have 0 idea how you actually think this" but there's usually a sincerity behind it and he usualy feel very town when he comes under pressure, in this game he's kinda been a non entity

Bert

Likewise I don't really know Bert's scum game, but his interaction with me is very in line with his town game, the content is easily faked but he also feel very sincere, I also remember liking his pushes earlygame

Marquis

His last few posts look town, but I can never read him unless he obvtowns it, I usually just wait for him to die or endgame me

Seohyun

I have 0 recollection of this slot

LastManStanding

LMS was bad, MS isn't great, but his tunnel looks genuine ish, I've never played with him but I know he's liable to what would be considered a trolling style here, a slot I need to get a better handle on

Wisdom

I typically find him obvious as either alignment, here he's just kind of annoying in the background, I could see him as scum for his push on kbw, but I think BBT is more likely for that role and if they were both scum Wisdom would be doing something better, a good info flip

Egg

His kbw push was the only one I didn't find myself questioning and sticking to the kbw wagon after it had clearly died looks like a genuine scumread, I had other reasons day 1, which I can no longer recall off the top of my head

BlueBloodedToffee

I honestly feel BBT is just trolling at this point with his attack on flames about refusing to explain. I already went over how he was scum lurking and kbw was town lurking. And his pushes on Tiershift and Bert look fake as fuck, based on irrelevant playstyle nonsense lik "talking like someone is town" and "saying odd not scummy", these are stone cold null and I don't believe BBT doesn't know this.

keybladewielder

Everyone knows my stance on this slot, it was a scum push

TierShift

In the game I played where he was scum he played me pretty hard, so he's tentative townread but his scumplay was more based on stroking egos and psychological manipulation, this seems more in line with his straight down the line town play.

Not_Mafia

Obvscum

[Not_Mafia]

And on the subject of BBT being fake, he and I were put in to a neighbourhood night 1, my role pm was worded poorly/wrong and I though i was a neighbouriser, I tried to neighbourise Espeonage and got given a neighbourhood with BBT and a clarification from Nati that my actual role was making a neighbourhood with anyone who uses the move psychic the same night as me.

I told BBT I find mod decided neighbourhoods pointless and 0 intention of using it, he followed this up sometime later by asking how it's a mod decided neighbourhood, so unless mod neglected to explain how the role works like he did to me then it looks like some weak attempt to be able to lambast me for some playstyle thing like he has with Tiershift and Bert

[Not_Mafia]

It's (one of) my move(s) aka abilities, there are multiple people in the game with it and if we use it on the same night we establish a neighbourhood with eachother, but we need to post in it for it to stay open, which we haven't been doing

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Wisdom

Fine

[Not_Mafia]

That's likely just a VC error

@mod you have myself and wisdom voting twice and a 0 as Wisdom's vote total

[Not_Mafia]

Vengekill BBT

[Not_Mafia]

Congrats town, thanks Micc and Caled for hosting

[Not_Mafia]

Well we wanted you dead n1 too, I can't recall why exactly though