Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[kiwieagle]

Why do people dismiss Tier 2???
We need the doctors and the bodyguards...

BUY TIER 2

Also, maybe I haven't understood but everyone who bought a tier rolls for that specific tier right?
Damn if true we need more Tier 2, we need to hide the protective role

[kiwieagle]

Also


Bankai and ABR.

[kiwieagle]

I support t1 and t2 but t3 would be funner so theres that

[kiwieagle]

I would have fun with t3 but night 1 vig idiot es no bueno
i would be done with t3 day two though

And to the neutral face shtick I was justo recalling the good old times

[kiwieagle]

Sadly I am in my cellphone making it tough to expand en my points (that also happens to auto spell check to spanish no matter how I try to.take it off) but I believe that t3 today es a wrong choice and the best choice would be t1 t3 then t2 nevertheless this es a minor mechanic I don think this should be such a big ideal .

Also what was thing with putting.talent points?

[kiwieagle]

Heres a few thoughts:

The ABR bandwagon is terrible. "hes scummy because he votes T3", yeah because scum are going to have the balls to do that.

I really like the bankai wagon though

Vote: ABR

And why are you telling people to randomly vote for me? Looks really Fucking scummy

Oof, a little bit aggressive.
Maybe you might be feeling the pressure?

VOTE: Bankaikiller

[kiwieagle]

an infinitive shot vig is p cool and yes, it will have seeable results but no way are we vigging each night. An investigation we WILL be using each night and therefore I think its the best one to have early. And honestly? Its not like we don't get to buy again so we can buy a potential vig if we want tomorrow. This whole "we have to buy it TODAY!" seems quite silly. Between ABR and elusive I can't tell if they are trigger happy town or scum that wants a vig to help them. Even if they don't control the vig it produces dead bodies and that's what scum need. dead bodies. But I actually like a few things that elusive has said so ABR is our d1 lynch you guys.

vote:ABR

Stuff like this.
T1 won anyway.
I can support T2 all day. Doesn't mean its going to win.
Scummier would be to just sheep town into the comfort zone of T1

Baaaahd way to find scum.

eh get it.

Also at the preview posts stuff
@ABR probably not.. I was really active for like a year 2011-2012 got to 2k+ posts then I at one point the web site crashed and the memory got lost so I was like fuck it. Fast forward some years, I was checking an old hard drive... and I was like huh I remember this website...

[kiwieagle]

Wait did bankai mention classes?
My class has not been mentioned at all...

Also racial traits are ment to not be some OP shit since everyone has one.

[kiwieagle]

I'm torn between Ozgin and Nero. You raised some good points on why Nero is scum, is he on your suspect list? Or are you doing the whole thing of "I'm going to side with these guys while not attacking my scumbuddy Nero?"

If this is directed at me then there are some clear fallacies here.
Other than a page 2 vote no one has attacked Nero other than me?

Also I love mah bankai vote I don't plan on changing it so quickly
(Prophet time: OMGUS from bankai inc.)

@pedit
Jesus WHY!?!?!!?!??!!?!
Why race claim?
W/e utility you had with your race trait is gone.

[kiwieagle]

From what I can tell from my race trait is that you have to some clever way to use it to achieve something somehow but its purpose is lost once people realize what it does.

Are you trying to pull the newbie card after explicit statements of not claiming??

[kiwieagle]

Is Rampage being manipulative? I've been liable to sheep an actually manipulative scum and something about Rampage seems to "on a high" to seem manipulative. In my thinking either he is a reckless player (win all or lose all type) or this is some sort of gambit and a much smaller part of me thinks that he knows some scum info like if we use 12 tokens then they get 12 tokens. Inclination though is that scum wouldn't garner so much attention on themselves, particularly the way he is doing which sets him up for suspicion.

Fuzzykins, I await your response to my question. If you would like me to repeat it, please let me know.

bankaikiller, I have to reread to parse through that but right now this is what I feel:

Vote: bankaikiller

acryon, I'm still not sure why you shut down discussion that could have been interesting so I'll keep an eye on you little crayon. What color are you?

please dont tell me you just wasted a two day cool down
Please

please

[kiwieagle]

What is that even supposed to mean?

[kiwieagle]

Ok so ABR is getting fooled by the classic newbie card. Ok see let me explain.

I know this because thats how I use to play scum.

Appear like a newbie fool and then everyone ignores me and just laughs. Coast on to victory.
I can even link you where I did that if anyone really wants to know.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19288
(oof the nostalgia)

[kiwieagle]

man I hope Fate is still playing he was a fun guy

[kiwieagle]

See, unlike you I (could) actually pull the newbie card and win as scum.
You need training my little padawan.

[kiwieagle]

elusive has a point.

Ugh...based on that post. bankai are you a total newb?

bankai, can you answer that please?

Nerd scum alert speaking, I'll answer what I feel like answering.

And I'm a twl mafia champion for subspace

I have no clue what this means

And I'm a twl mafia champion for subspace

Also Bankai does your analysis go beyond vote those who vote for me?
I mean if the phrase you said means you are some sort of mafia pro (?) why do you insist on pulling the noob card?

[kiwieagle]

Lol.

Bankai if for some ungodly reason you are not lynched today you better not be a pussy and NK me.

[kiwieagle]

Ehh yeh I am done with stupid argument.

Pointless.

Its degenerated to middle-school level because bankai can't respond intelligently to analysis.

[kiwieagle]

Lol.

Bankai if for some ungodly reason you are not lynched today you better not be a pussy and NK me.

????? How can I NK you? And what More analyzing do you expect, it's pretty much self explanatory coming from you. Lol

See

this

seems so forced

????? How can I NK you?

Gee I don't know, I just called you scum.
Even if you are town (hint: no) why would you say "???? How can I NK you?"
The appropriate response would be to defend yourself or call me scum for X Y Z.
Not pretend you don't know scum has a NK.

Also I refuse to answer those questions.
Heres a tip.
They only serve to distract and are pointless.

[kiwieagle]

Jesus and now the other new guy is emotionally attached to his beloved questions.

[kiwieagle]

Ozgin look none of us have any clue what classes do (or at least I don't) so this "trust" bull shit is a terrible reason to do it.

If anything it makes you look like scum.

I have great trust in you all, so trust in me.

Oh look who did the same.

I'll reveal anything about me even if it's not much, to prove that I'm town.

Maybe I did not get the memo that stated "if you claim your class and role you get insta town credz."

[kiwieagle]

Everyone has their own playstyle and thats okay
but why do you center yourself around asking questions?

C'mon find reasons I am scum. Explain your vote. You will be much more useful to town.

[kiwieagle]

We can get a nice discussion going, eh.

[kiwieagle]

@elusive

I was right about Bankai the first time I read him and will probably be right again.
Hes a liability anyway.

[kiwieagle]

Also maybe I have bad mafia theory but isnt tracker and watcher pretty damn good too? Whos going to be doing shit night 1? Thats right no one.

[kiwieagle]

No right thats my point any lead night 1 is 100 fucking percent scum. (With watcher and tracker at least)

[kiwieagle]

Ok damn I must suck at explaining stuff.

There are currently no power roles.
Night 1 there will only be one power role (the investigator) so any lead he gets is 100% scum.
Night 2 there will only be one other power role (the x) so any leads he gets is 50% scum (two claims, one is assured mafia. Or only one claim which is okay too.)
and so on.


Wait so with a possibility of godfather why are watcher/trackers shitty?

[kiwieagle]

But I honestly could care less which roles gets chosen.
Jailkeeper, vigilante, cop , doctor, bus driver, tracker, watcher ,bodyguard

All sound fun if I get them.
Especially bus driver.

[kiwieagle]

I haven't played legit mafia in a while but is it not staple when theres a cop?

[kiwieagle]

Yeah my point is null you could argue the same for mafia ninja.
Ok scratch that.

Watcher and tracker are shitty cops because they can mess with power roles while having the same scum-catching rate as cop because of possible ninjas or godfather.

[kiwieagle]

So I am in my cellphone and therefore cannot decimate scum as well as I usually do.

Here a brief analysis without quotes cause fuck that.
To Xombie
criticizing elusive's bad play is not scummy its neutral at worse. Cant see when xombie joined mafiascum becuse i am too lazy to be checking that in cellphone but I will assume he's new.

To elusive.. heres another tip
You can vote me for me all day but if your reasoning is my bankai debate then you should find some more dirt on me because otherwise that bankai logic apllies to at least 3 other people and therefore I cant take you seriously. if anything it just feels you frustrated i don't answer your question... scum will be the first to befriend you. Just think.

[kiwieagle]

I just said I cant take your vote seriously and you claim it makes me uncomfortable hahaha
And then you claim I'm coasting but only reason you vote is because I voted your scum buddy bankai (also what other reasons please do tell)

BTW I am not going to enter into a useless retardfight again so come with good analysis and I will answer you.

[kiwieagle]

Just thought about it a little more
how the fuck am I coasting?
Is that your attempt to use mafia buzzwords?

[kiwieagle]

LOL, LOL, LOL

bankai is my adorable pet. I'm going to put a collar around his neck and teach him\her\it new tricks.

You're way too defensive. Try scumhunting instead of talking the big talk

Oh and I don't think I entered any "retardfight" with anyone so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Here, simple question for you: What do you think of Rampage and Nero? What do you think of Ozgin and the whole discussion around him? What do you think of GGG aka Batman?

Hmm okay right so I explicitly tell you to answer both of these statements yet you

REFUSE

to answer them and now I have to deal with question answering?
How about we back a bit up and see what questions I asked

FIRST

?

(also what other reasons please do tell)


how the fuck am I coasting?

These are two legitimate questions/requests you fail to answer.


Answer my questions and I will answer yours... or do you have some sort of privilege I was not aware of where you get to ask 50 fucking questions and avoid all of the questions that come to you?



Lets dissect the other parts of the posts...
And waste my time.

You're way too defensive.

So trying to get you to explain your vote makes me way too defensive?
No.
The answer is no.

Try scumhunting instead of talking the big talk

I am scumhunting. Right now.
Look:

The bankai thing is bullshit.
Can't even quote or explain what I said that made you think I was scummy.

The coasting thing is bullshit
Here I am with a shit fuck ton of posts where I actively engage in argument in others.
While all

YOU

do is ask half-assed irrelevant questions and then get frustrated when someone questions you or dislikes the fact that all you have done this game is ask questions. Damn that sounds like coasting.








Sigh.


Even as I type this I come to the conclusion the only reason you vote me is because you dislike the fact that I dissed your questions.
Mafia shouldn't be a game of emotions but of logic.






VOTE: elusive
Fuck this happens every single game.
Try to be productive and then BAM someone derails me.

[kiwieagle]

Are you some sort of hydra?

Awww.....we hurt your feelings.

Also you still aren't answering my questions and still can't explain why you vote me.
The only thing I got was that you think I am causing drama (?) and OMGUS (Not really because I have legitimate reasons to vote you and you clearly dont).


"it vibes me wrong"
jesus man


You still refuse to answer my questions but I can see how your questions might foment discussion
(oh look at me ready to cause controversy while you cower behind lame ad hominem and cant do shit to create legitimate productive discussion)

I will answer them.
What do you think of Rampage and Nero? What do you think of Ozgin and the whole discussion around him? What do you think of GGG aka Batman?


1. From my very little experience with Rampage, I believe this is how he normally plays. I haven't really read too much into why people are calling him scum but I think it all stems from the T1 T2 T3 conversation? IF so, I dont side people calling him scum. Nero is trying to scum-hunt but I really dont feel he is doing it correctly. Probably scummy. Actually, yeah scummy. I raised a point earlier where I stated the scum are probably somewhere hiding in the safety of T1.

2. Ozgin, huh. Oh right. Had to read some of his posts. Ok hes the "trust me" guy. No bueno. Don't like that statement and feels like a beginner failing at hiding as scum. Did the same as Bankai. Not smart coming from someone who did some pretty cool looking statistics (not that I understand them...)

3. I dont think anything of him. I really cant see how you can connect me to him. Maybe I am just skim too much but I haven't really read anything he has posted that jumps out of me or I disagree with. Damn this sounds bad but its really true.


See I dont usually do lists but here is one


BANKAI ELUSIVE OZIGIN

NERO

EVERYONE ELSE

Looks pretty legit.

[kiwieagle]

Yeh I am sticking my ass out in the fire. Do you realize how much effort I am going to have to put to defend myself and attack back?
Each argument is at least half an hour of commitment.

You answer them now.
What do you think of Rampage and Nero? What do you think of Ozgin and the whole discussion around him? What do you think of GGG aka Batman? how the fuck am I coasting? Explain your vote intelligently?

[kiwieagle]

Nah who am I kidding.
Things like these make mafia fun.

And you say I am coasting.

Pffft.
Scum please dont lie.

[kiwieagle]

Well he makes really long posts and I could use my MAD DISSECTING SKILLS. (as I have shown to catch this elusive scum) But I am tired mentally.

Please make a long post and show why he is queer.

[kiwieagle]

So... your not going to answer the questions?

[kiwieagle]

Damn you some dumb ass scum.

[kiwieagle]

I hate this tactic which has already been employed by Ozigin, Elusive, and Banka.
this is advice for all 3 of you
Do not.
I repeat.
Do NOT say stuff like "I'm town, I already believe in Me" "I have trust in you, trust me" "I know I am town and therefore you cannot vote me"

If in the future any of you are town, that is not good play. If this game was as simple as trusting what everyone said MAFIA WOULD WIN EVERY TIME.
You need to PROVE you are town. You need to PROVE he is mafia.

Elusive as you learn how to play you will realize you cannot just say "well its in my gut" "well its a vibe" "well you dissed me you are mafia" "well I am town cause I say so"

Nevertheless, you already accepted the coasting claim was pulled out of your ass and that the bankai bull shit never had any foundation and therefore you are scum because town would not try to invent reasons as to why vote someone.

[kiwieagle]

Cant really post something good and long right now but
Elusive I still can't understand your posts on me.
Where the fuck have I had an emotional outburst similar to bankais?
Please quote.
How the fuck have I sheeped ABR the whole game?
The only time I agreed with him was with bankai and even when he backed down I continued.
How the fuck have I been coasting?
Check my ISO and please quote.

Also anyone else curios why she's gone from short posts to god damn essays after people started voting for her?
And she calls me defensive ...

[kiwieagle]

See look at these essays..talk about complete 180 on how she was playing before.

[kiwieagle]

Before they were shorter and mostly composed of questions but now 0 questions. Her other long post was of t1 t2 and t3 which doesn't really apply.

[kiwieagle]

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?

Yep, not voting elusive. That

is

a pretty convincing kiwi case however.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kiwieagle

1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.

Don't see how this is scummy. Its the truth.

2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.

I am, son. This sounds like you scared.

3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.

This is just stupid. Check any of my games. I gloat because I find it funny, and its a null point anyway because I AM destroying scum like you.

4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.

My reaction was to ask you explain your vote.
Which you haven't done.
Even these points are just confusing or simply wrong/bad.
Last time I checked, by page 8 or w/e RVS is not continuing so any votes must have a good reason.

5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.

I also dont understand this. What the fuck is fake out frame?
How is asking for REASONS a totally crazy response?
Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?

What do you mean I don't give reads? I EXPLICITLY stated my reads. You can even find a LIST.
The reason you don't answer my questions are because you DONT have answers. Which is scummy. If you are going to vote me and then CLAIM I am coasting and CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.

This is COMPLETE bullshit. You decide to mention "technical issues" until now. Also, you have made TWO god damn essays where you had the chance to answer MY questions and you didn't. Technical, my ass.

9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

My entire case is that scum lie, you lied. Scum avoid questions that may leave them vulnerable, you avoid questions. Scum invent cases with half-assed points, this post proves that. Scum change behavior, you went from question asker to defensive fluff poster in a matter of seconds.



Also, since acryon decided to support this complete bollocks case he better answer the damn questions I asked her.
Actually, you better build a DAMN good case explaining where elusive is right and I am wrong.
I DARE you to quote the time I coasted, the time I went into theatrics, all the times I sheeped ABR, the time I went crazy from soft-poke, and the time I failed to answer a question fully.

[kiwieagle]

Yo acyron I am waiting. You better make that case.

[kiwieagle]

Or do you have "techincal errors"?
You better now wait for the weekend and then claim
"BUT LOOK AT MY SIG!! IT SAYS V/LA!!!"

[kiwieagle]

Acryon you prick you better not cop out right now

Youd be the second fool who refuses to answer me

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...


Pedit
"Waiting for a claim"
HAHAHAHA

[kiwieagle]

Hey you got an hour so you better fucking answer my questions/requests

[kiwieagle]

So you think I am town and are voting me?
Thats worse than voting me for no reason.
Damn its like dumb and dumber here

[kiwieagle]

Hahaha with all the shit that has happened today I would be completely down with t3

vote tier 3

[kiwieagle]

Acryon just fucking left the scene and once again no one wants to answer me.
Acryon did like a 720 in a span of minutes

[kiwieagle]

its not going to win
Stop being cry babies

Not enough time nor support

[kiwieagle]

Look at least answer this
What was so hard of answering my legitimate questions?
Are you genuinely apalled I tried to find reason to your vote?

Pedit
So now the real reason is the t2 vote?
What if I told you that I voted t2 because I do not give a flying fuck what is chosen?
I really am happy with anything
To say voting t2 in the first pages makes me scum is just downright stupid.

[kiwieagle]

Highly suspicious? Cmon really?
That seems forced as fuck.

[kiwieagle]

Damn.

Okay.

Elusive's final posts look like generic flailing I would expect from both town and scum.
Don't see it as anything I should be convinced by.

BUT.

Acryon really fucked up with his defense of Elusive.
And that sucks because he can't defend himself.
But heres how I see it.

IF
Elusive is town.
Then Acyron is complete fucking scum.
And I am baffled Elusive thought he was town if she really is town
(oh look another reason why I dont think she is town).

Acyron looks like a scum who was finding an excuse to defend the townie being lynched to get them mad town credz and heres why

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?

Yep, not voting elusive. That

is

a pretty convincing kiwi case however.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kiwieagle

C'mon really?
How the fuck is that a convincing case?
I don't see how that could convince anyone.
Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

I mean I personally don't believe Elusive was right on ANYTHING but of all things that suddenly convinced you? Just when she was going to get lynched?
Talk about scum taking advantage.

And thats why I can understand an Acyron lynch but it depends on if Elusive is town.
Which after all the flat-out bad attacks shes done makes it a BIG if.

[kiwieagle]

Fuzzy and scott are both being pretty damn inactive but alas thats a battle for another day.

[kiwieagle]

I personally don't feel I have ever gotten emotional but after like 5 people told me I was getting emotional then I came to accept thats how I play.

If I had to choose, then I would choose I never got emotional though.

[kiwieagle]

Why are people making such a big deal out of this?
Can someone quote where I got emotional ?

[kiwieagle]

Yo Ozgin you called me emotional.
Quote me.

I am curious how I got "emotional" in such a way where thats everthing people mention.
I honestly believe I have been pretty consistent all game on my "emotionality".

[kiwieagle]

I really dont know how I can defend myself from this. Its part of how I play mafia lol thats all I can say.


I really dont want to get into another bullshit war lol.
"Yeah well you are EMOTIONAL. GET FUCKED."

[kiwieagle]

I just wrote a paragraph and then erased it.
Thats how I feel about the emotional bull shit.
I refuse to be sucked back in.

[kiwieagle]

I have other things to do then explain to a new player why getting emotional is a human tell not a scum tell.

[kiwieagle]

But I didn't get emotional anyway.

Oh damn I contradicted myself again.

[kiwieagle]

Highly suspicious? Cmon really?
That seems forced as fuck.

Vindictive,

Look at least answer this
What was so hard of answering my legitimate questions?
Are you genuinely apalled I tried to find reason to your vote?

Pedit
So now the real reason is the t2 vote?
What if I told you that I voted t2 because I do not give a flying fuck what is chosen?
I really am happy with anything
To say voting t2 in the first pages makes me scum is just downright stupid.

Bargaining, followed by apathy,

So you think I am town and are voting me?
Thats worse than voting me for no reason.
Damn its like dumb and dumber here

Anger in response to confusion, and,

Acryon just fucking left the scene and once again no one wants to answer me.
Acryon did like a 720 in a span of minutes

Frustration.


You're a pretty emotional player, kiwi.

With that logic, I can give emotions to every sentence in this game.

[kiwieagle]

You're looking very emotional again kiwi. You refuse to be 'sucked back in' and have 'other things to do', but can't stop talking about it?

Then you move the goalposts, trying to make it about whether or not your emotional response is a scum tell or human tell.

The fruit doth protest too much, methinks.

Ehh yeah after this until you have something other than emotional I am not going to answer you.

[kiwieagle]

scum DO get emotional, so do town. Its null. Maybe if there's meta evidence that you are more emotional as scum than town. Talk to me about your reads on ABR and AC?

1. ABR I am fine with. To be honest with you, I have you more as scum. But hey at least I can trust you to not flip shit when I call you scum like all these new players.
2. AC I would be okay lynching as outlined in my previous post. But if hes town Elusive is scum and vice versa. Still prefer Elusive though.

pedit
Nero, he cant be an alt. No experienced mafia player would tunnel on fucking wording about whether I got emotional or not.

[kiwieagle]

I can agree TT does not know what he is doing.

[kiwieagle]

I know this sounds really damn bad but its friday night and I am going to have to go out and possibly won't be in the best mental state when I come back in some hours.

I will try to answer to the best of my ability any legitimate queries and accusations when I come back.


I really would have to read Nero in depth because I usually don't pay that much attention to people I am not in direct confrontation with.

[kiwieagle]

Also, its like people forgot Elusive existed and she just left randomly as well.

All that talk of the self-hammer for nothing.


Good luck guys.

[kiwieagle]

Oh haha i lied i am back

i just want to state that to have crusaded vote with reason this whole game I cant just change vote so quickly like bankai or abril or house because thats just not how I play.

I am not some sort of pawn. I have opinions damnit.

[kiwieagle]

Once I start driving again (gas stop) I will be MIA forma some hours.

Pedir
Oh hi elusive
Such a shame I wont be abl to adres you for a while.

[kiwieagle]

Also, its like people forgot Elusive existed and she just left randomly as well.

All that talk of the self-hammer for nothing.


Good luck guys.

So you refuse to scum hunt? Others have already posted regarding your self-contradictions. Have a strong read on anyone. Town, scum, etc. I believe that there are 3 scum in this setup. SO you may hunt at least 3 people. Ready, set, go....

I do find some people on my wagon opportunistic.

House, you voted me twice. Did you forget your first vote?

The fuck?
So I refuse to scum hunt?
That does not make sense at all. I was just trying to give reasoning to a sudden drop of posting I would have.
I mean does it matter if I catch your scummy ass the day after? I have scum hunted in a single page more than you have all game.



Elusive I will no longer play this little game of yours where you ask me questions and then ignore mine on purpose. I mean I literally posted more questions a few pages back again but fine don't answer those.
Just answer this one.

Do you have a strong read on anyone other than me being scum and acyron being town?

(both which have terrible reasoning. at least I know if I ever play with you while I am scum its going to be piss easy to manipulate you. Just answer all your questions and be nice and I am conftown hahahaha)

Why do you think I am scum kiwi?

@TT yea.....no.

Okay so heres why I didn't want to vote you.
I really haven't read your push on ABR, only his push on you.
So I am going to go read it right now.
But first.

ZOMG I in a road to rome game

Yes.


Someone could make a decent case on me pretty easy. But jesus christ the three pushes on me have just been wtf-y.

I have other things to do then explain to a new player why getting emotional is a human tell not a scum tell.

Spite.

Anyways, you asked me, no, you fucking told me to site instances of your emotional states. I wasn't doing it to say that you're a scum, I was doing it because you literally fucking told me to.

But your actions, reactions, and mentality here have sealed my conclusion.

UNVOTE: acryon
VOTE: kiwieagle

I mean the little "analysis" you posted is just so weird .

Anyways, you asked me, no, you fucking told me

anger derp

I wasn't doing it to say that you're a scum, I was doing it because you literally fucking told me to.

frustration derp

But your actions, reactions, and mentality here have sealed my conclusion.

vindictive derp

UNVOTE: acryon
VOTE: kiwieagle

revenge derp.




See I am not saying I play perfectly town. Far from it. But the root issue in my mind is that you are trying to punch my face but instead are punching the wall behind me and screaming "CMON DEFEND YOURSELF KIWI!!!".


Damn I got derailed.
Okay back to Nero
...
Ok wait what?
Obviously I haven't read your push on ABR because there has been BARELY any push.
You have tunneled on him all game from an INITIAL reasoning of some mechanics bullshit.
I have said this once and I will say it again.
If anyone is voting simply for the tier stuff they are either bad at scum-hunting or dumb.
(Oh look elusive voted me for t2 or at least thats what she claims a dozen pages later.)

T1 will win. Okay?
It was pretty obvious from D1 that T1 would be the option most level-headed people would chose. Those who don't just have a different personality. In my mind, ABR would have voted T3 even if he was scum, town, or 3rd party.


Your other point is

Nero, what are you reads on other players

Well lets start with ABR.

You raised some good points on why Nero is scum

Here ABR is using Xombie's "point" to call me scum. I know that town sheep and stuff too but scum also do it. So in a sense you could argue that its null but it always worries me a bit.

Its also suspicious to me 'cause Acryon said p much the same thing in 175

So why was Xombie's "point" better than Acryon's? So I'm a tad worried that he's "sheeping" town to avoid a link with his buddy.

But that said I am also very suspicious of Xombie for his sorta whiteknight of you. Like I know that you won' agree with me that your questions were p useless...but they were.

I am a little worried that House and ABR were scumbuddies cross voting in RVS.

I mean there's absolutely zero good reason (for town) to try and get a vig. TBQF, his singlemindlessness is antitown and even if he's town I wouldn't care.

I don't like this. It's like he's posturing for an ABR town flip. =/

UNVOTE:

This worries me a little. Like he's trying to use me to get out of an ABR lynch. It makes a

little

sense if you thinks I'm scum but he was still calling ABR scum. But when I asked if he thought I was scum he was being coy for some stupid reason.

I remember disliking something from kiwi but beyond that I don't really remember anyone else bothering me but at some point I should iso folks. I also realize that I'm kinda "conf biasing" on ABR but that's where I'm at right now.

Look. Yes, you have two null points on ABR.

And heres the issue.

I feel ABR is really hard to catch as scum because of how he plays. (Short posts, tries to join wagons, does not give actual cases making it hard to find fallacies or even defend yourself)

Another thing.
Look at his elusive interaction.
Would some say too risky for scum? Yes.
But he just pulled it off with at most 1 vote from House who has been changing vote every post anyway.
So is it that hard for someone who has played as long as ABR to pull it off as scum? Probably not.
Is Elusive going to fall for it? Yep. She has consistently shown how she lets her emotions dictate how she plays. If I say Fuck Elusive she would consider it a scum tell.

So whats up in the end?
I don't know. I say it depends on what Elusive flips but

Town is so damn fickle here and sheep-y.

Sadly.


So RIGHT NOW what am I willing to support? (dont badger me and claim contradiction if I vote someone else in two pages)
A lynch on acroyn, elusive, or oziygin.

I give TT the benefit of the doubt because hes new but I have already posted previously why I thought the Ozygin is scummy but that emotional thing just was so incomprehensible (Giving emotion to every one of my sentences? I am going to repeat myself here: With that logic, I can give emotions to every sentence in this game.)

[kiwieagle]

Also before anyone cries about how I used the word emotional.

There are two inherent differences.
People claim I play emotionally which means I get all hyped up like "Yeah well THIS right here show WHY YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG!"

What I am saying is playing based on emotion which is " he got me angry hes scummy because he doesn't treat me well but that guy is town because we have been bffss since forevaaa !"

[kiwieagle]

Maybe I am cold-hearted but I can't see how I caused this.

[kiwieagle]

So then why are you doing it?

[kiwieagle]

Huh?


pedit

yh I was confused

[kiwieagle]

I don't agree picking T3 or T2 is taking a scummy stance.
Heck, how the fuck is T2 scummy anyway?
Someone really has to explain that to me.


Yes, I think its ABR's 360 is odd. I personally thought it was a reaction test. I don't know what ABR was trying to achieve though.

[kiwieagle]

Elusive your self-vote did nothing to change my thoughts on your slot if that makes you feel better.
Who cares about self votes at L-2?

Also Elusive just curious.
You are saying ABR's plan was to use you to find scum? So you believe ABR is town?

[kiwieagle]

Is Elusive going to fall for it? Yep. She has consistently shown how she lets her emotions dictate how she plays. If I say Fuck Elusive she would consider it a scum tell.

Someone call MENSA.
We got a god damn genius here.

[kiwieagle]

See, I was right.
You dont read anything I post.

[kiwieagle]

Or your playing stupid.

[kiwieagle]

How does someone even quote scum chat during the day?


(also "...you're* playing..". damn grammar)

[kiwieagle]

see now I am 100000% sure you don't read anything I write

why so mean

Also before anyone cries about how I used the word emotional.

There are two inherent differences.
People claim I play emotionally which means I get all hyped up like "Yeah well THIS right here show WHY YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG!"

What I am saying is playing based on emotion which is " he got me angry hes scummy because he doesn't treat me well but that guy is town because we have been bffss since forevaaa !"

[kiwieagle]

The fuck?
How is T2 safe?

I was alone in that damn spot.
No one even took me seriously.
I voted on that at the top of page 2.


The safe option is T1 which is where EVERYONE is.

Elusive by ignoring me you can't save yourself.
The way you try to argue with me is baffling.

You wrote gigantic posts with all type of bs on why I was scum (you never really were able to support any of your claims on me) but until recently you mention T2 which has BEEN THERE SINCE PAGE 2.
Hence, why its forced.
Looking for excuses to make it seem like you had a legitimate vote on me.
Which you have never had, and never will have.

[kiwieagle]

If your best case on me is this

Why do people dismiss Tier 2???
We need the doctors and the bodyguards...

BUY TIER 2

Also, maybe I haven't understood but everyone who bought a tier rolls for that specific tier right?
Damn if true we need more Tier 2, we need to hide the protective role

Where I voted T2 because I though that everyone who voted for a tier got to roll that tier as in by the end those who voted T1 rolled for T1, those who voted T2 rolled for T2 etc.


Then you got a long way to go.
Since we are in page 30 and not page 3.

[kiwieagle]

How about you answer any of my questions? Or your scared you won't be able to defend your points?

[kiwieagle]

If you think I have only discussed you, you should really read what I write because that's just wrong.


Also, to me it seems you are just frustrated you can't keep up.

... you've made posts that show you aren't going to state or ask anything relevant or worth my time. If someone else asks the same exact question, I'll respond to it. I've been in tunnels where I've responded to every post\every item but those players were of a caliber that made me respect them even when it turned out they were scum...

Hah.
Then if you think I am scum get me lynched.
If I am so lowly, how come I can start a wagon on you but you cant start a wagon on me?



Also, someone should ask elusive what her reads are.

[kiwieagle]

You clearly believe you have better rhetoric then me so cmon lets see what you are worth.
Build a good case on why I am scum.
Not too long though. I don't want to read something long.

[kiwieagle]

Damn when I said not too long I didn't mean that.

You are no fun at all.

[kiwieagle]

Can someone ask elusive something hard?

[kiwieagle]

Ozgin I think you forgot how this began.

She became frustrated the moment I questioned her vote.
This is something one should expect when playing mafia.

[kiwieagle]

Can someone ask elusive why is she replacing?

[kiwieagle]

I think its stupid and scummy Elusive deemed it fit to ignore those who find her scummy.

[kiwieagle]

I don't have much to add, sorry.

Scum is probably somewhere here.
math
ozigin
troubledtownie
acryon
titus

But I just feel bad with this list because those are just the people who have caught my attention.
Heres the ones who have not caught my attention:
TheFuzzylogic99
GGG
Xombie
eyestott

So maybe they have done something scummy. Maybe they are lurking . Maybe they are posting a lot and I am stupid.

Heres everyone else if someones curious:
Albert B. Rampage
Nero Cain
House

Damn. I am way too cynical.

House looks pretty towny. I can say the same for Albert.
For Nero...
I don't know.
I feel... empathy?
We both are getting attacked in a similar fashion.

Oh wait shit I have two votes.

DAMN SON I HAVE SHIT TO DO.
Ozigin, I have replied to your shitty points and terrible analysis. Come answer me bro.
Uhhh. TroubledTownie is voting me for the same reason as Ozigin.
That was disappointing. After their vote they have not answered to my defense nor called me scum again.
I was expecting more.






I am quite happy Elusive was replaced because then if Math calls me scum I can actually have a decent conversation without Math being immature and just ignoring what I write.
Same goes for Bankai and Titus

Umm.
Acryon tried to imply something here.

If I had to choose, then I would choose I never got emotional though.

You don't seem like the type that accepts others' projections on you.

... well yeah I do. I mean its not like its an insult or something negative... at least to me its not. I don't think I play emotionally but I am not going to fight semantics. Can someone please attack me for something else?

[kiwieagle]

If.. Titus is town he will be as trolly as bankai?

[kiwieagle]

So by page 35 the only reason you are voting me because I said I am playing emotionally during a satirical restatement of a quote?
Damn.

[kiwieagle]

No, I personally believe I dont play emotionally. But when trying to understand elusives' case on me I was like "oh well I I play emotionally. how is repeating that 5 times a case?"

[kiwieagle]

I really am trying not to insult your intelligence. I really am.


I slipped up because I really could not give a flying fuck whether I am playing emotional or not?

[kiwieagle]

So your case boils down to:

"His defense used to be he does not play emotionally. But then he admitted he played emotionally to defend himself from Elusive."

There are various flaws in how you think and connect dots.
1. Saying I don't play emotionally is not a fucking defense. Its a disagreement over how I play. It might have been Elusive's case but that just means Elusive had no clue what she was doing.
2. Not caring whether people believe I play emotionally or not is a not a contradiction.
3. I was satirizing a statement made by Elusive, and then saying that if she has a problem with how I play then that's her prerogative but she can't base a case on that.


I can't believe I am putting so much analysis into a statement I made in 3 seconds.
Jesus christ, Troubledtownie. You really are desperate.

[kiwieagle]

I am trying to be really diplomatic here.

[kiwieagle]

Look I am trying to be nice here because you have played 1 month of mafia.

But if you want me to be honest:
I consider your case to come from either desperate scum looking for details to fuck someone around with or really fucking stupid town. I have said so much scummy things and you come with this bullshit? I can't even defend myself from this because I get a cerebral aneurysm trying to understand your though process here.

[kiwieagle]

So your case boils down to:

"His defense used to be he does not play emotionally. But then he admitted he played emotionally to defend himself from Elusive."

There are various flaws in how you think and connect dots.
1. Saying I don't play emotionally is not a fucking defense. Its a disagreement over how I play. It might have been Elusive's case but that just means Elusive had no clue what she was doing.
2. Not caring whether people believe I play emotionally or not is a not a contradiction.
3. I was satirizing a statement made by Elusive, and then saying that if she has a problem with how I play then that's her prerogative but she can't base a case on that.


I can't believe I am putting so much analysis into a statement I made in 3 seconds.
Jesus christ, Troubledtownie. You really are desperate.

What constitutes scummy behavior isn't an objective, factual standard. Therefore, claiming that my interpretation of your play is a flaw in how I think and connect dots is ridiculous. There's nothing logically wrong with my argument, you just agree with one of the premises.

Veiled insults don't improve my opinion of you either.

Like, look at this.
You are going to dismiss all of my points just because I used the phrase "various flaws in how you think and connect dots." which any other person would consider perfectly valid?

[kiwieagle]

Heres my final thoughts on this "issue"



What the fuck does emotional even mean? What does it mean to play emotionally?

Doesn't everyone play emotionally in their own way?


Doesn't Nero get frustrated here?

ZOMG I in a road to rome game

Whats going on here?

Where the fuck have I had an emotional outburst similar to bankais?

When you start swearing, insulting, and using

BIG BOLD UPPERCASE THINGIES

, that comes across as emotional.

Also anyone else curios why she's gone from short posts to god damn essays after people started voting for her?
And she calls me defensive ...

You know who else went from short posts to "god damn essays"? You did.

But that's a ridiculous bit of dirt to try and throw at somebody. Early in the game, there's not enough information out there for long posts. You're starting to look more and more like bankai, whose play you criticized and claimed you could pull off better.

Let's keep in mind we don't get to pick which role is purchased in the tier, it's random. We probably

won't

get cop if we buy Tier 1.

Buy: Tier 3

elusive, the point is that this early in the game, scum don't have to

massively

shift their gameplay.

Elusive. What do you think of TT claiming that I'm active lurking when I'm obv not?

Lol, just look at your ISO.

173 is your vote on ABR, barely enough reason to make it more than a random vote.
451 you were asked about your reads on other players, you post a little case against ABR and throw in some other names superficially.

Pretty much every other post(all 100 of them) is discussion of tiers, other game mechanics, jokes, off-topic, mindless pushing of the ABR train, etc etc etc. Everything

except

scum hunting.

I have only used bold in one fucking post?!?!!?

PEDIT

I EVEN SAY THATS HOW I PLAY.
I dont CARE if its emotional or not.
I personally dont think I play "emotionally".
But in the "Boohoo I got emotional" part you love to quote I WAS RESTATING WHAT ELUSIVE SAID ANYWAY. I never said I play emotionally I said she thinks I am playing emotionally woop di fucking do thats how I play

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

Look here. The point I am making is that I don't have emotional outbursts. BECAUSE THIS IS HOW I PLAY CONSISTENTLY.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Where do I deny that I play emotionally?

CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

I ACCEPT WHAT SHE THINKS IS EMOTIONAL IS MY PERSONALITY ANYWAY.

Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

Clearly WE HAD DIFFERENT DEFINITONS OF EMOTIONAL. I deny I play to my definition of emotional but sure if she thinks THIS is emotional then w/e I play emotional according to her and not continue to argument a bullshit point.





Your WHOLE case is bollocks.

[kiwieagle]

I had already accepted her definition of emotional as my playstyle there is NO contradiction at all.

[kiwieagle]

Fuck this im voting TT

unvote

VOTE: Troubledtownie


jesus christ thanks TT. By reading what I had posted I realize there is no contradiction at all.

[kiwieagle]

People might be confused when reading the quotes but to clarify I was arguing to Elusive's claim that I had a emotional outburst hence why I say things such as

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

[kiwieagle]

TT is trying to argue about my playstyle when saying "emotional" but he uses sources where I am arguing about Elusive's claim I had an emotional outburst when I started arguing with her.


Talk about misrep.

[kiwieagle]

Post 485 and post 497 are obvious misrepresentation because they are in answer to ELUSIVE CLAIMING I HAD AN EMOTIONAL OUTBURST. (As in not playing emotional... then suddenly bursting)

ahh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Here I refer to my actual play style and ACCEPTING HER POINT.




Your last post just shows how desperate you are because it was an obvious joke.

[kiwieagle]

to last post I refer to Post 637.


Also, I just quoted where I accept it. Don't know why you deny the truth. I denied I was BECAME emotional.

[kiwieagle]

I denied I BECAME emotional^

[kiwieagle]

jesus I could do this all in one post but my stupid cellphone doesn't let me

EBWOP

Eh, forgot. You didn't 'accept' her definition. You

STATED

very

BOLDY and UPPER-CASEY

that the way you post

ISN'T

emotional, it's just how you play.

To go from a 17.5 on the

I-WASN'T-EMOTIONAL-RICHTER SCALE

to

Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

doesn't make sense to me if you're town. Lastly, you keep trying to say you were quoting someone else or those weren't your words. Revisionism. You didn't say anything like

Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional. That's just how I play.
How does that make me scum?

If you had, I never would have been suspicious of it.

I have explicitly stated I was satirizing what she said? Why would you claim I am revising "Oh boo hoo I got emotional." to "Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional" when thats obviously not true since how can you satirically restate something by adding "you think... etc"?



PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

[kiwieagle]

Another lie.

You said you 'accepted' that definition, and used a partial quote to prove your point... but you never conceded that. You stated it was 'heated', but not emotional.

A few posts later, you

AGAIN

clarified:

Also I am telling you thats how I play

its not emotional

... just look how I argumented with bankai...

Right. Here I refer to the emotion outburst.
"... just look how I argumented with bankai..."
I am trying to show how this playstyle is consistent and not just an emotional outburst.

Again, trying to misrep.

[kiwieagle]

Does anybody else think it's scummy for someone to adamantly and repeatedly state X in their own defense, and then later state not-X trying to ridicule someone else?

Adamantly and repeatedly.
I mean I just proved you completely wrong and you still use that to convince those who still are confused by the clusterfuck you created?
Desperate.

[kiwieagle]

jesus I could do this all in one post but my stupid cellphone doesn't let me

I have explicitly stated I was satirizing what she said?

And I have explicitly stated that I don't buy that.

Why would you claim I am revising "Oh boo hoo I got emotional." to "Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional" when thats obviously not true since how can you satirically restate something by adding "you think... etc"?

Good lord. It's just painfully pathetic that you insult my intelligence when you repeatedly show you can't grasp what I'm saying. I never said you revised your statement. Read it again. Words matter. (Hint: I said the second quote is an example of what it should have said if you were being consistent)

PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

I don't even... you sound so much like a politician caught cheating.

It all depends on what the definition of is is...

So you don't buy I simply restated her claims?
"Oh boo hooo I got emotional"
When she just wrote like a paragraph of how she claimed I got emotional.
How the fuck is that not me just trying to restate what she just said?
How the fuck does that even relate to consistency what I have said?
I am RESTATING what she said that shouldn't even factor to what I say or have said. EVEN if for some ungodly reason you are not bright enough to understand that I HAD ACCEPTED I PLAY TO HER DEFINITION OF EMOTIONAL LONG BEFORE THAT ANYWAY.

Look:

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games

.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

All the other stuff you quote are COMPLETELY unrelated since they are answering to her claim I suddenly emotionally BURSTED. Which I proved wrong here

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

By stating:

just look how I argumented with bankai...

Officially the dumbest argument I have ever had.

[kiwieagle]

PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

I don't even... you sound so much like a politician caught cheating.

Reading this carefully and having some sort of reading comprehension is defense enough for this statement.

[kiwieagle]

Look so heres a quick recap
Elusive claimed I had an emotional burst (or became emotional)while I instead argued thats my playstyle and I consistently played like that. Therefore, elusives case could be quickly dismissed since my aggresive (or what she called heated or emotional) playstyle is present regardless of my alignment.


Therefore

Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

Is not a contradiction but an affirmation of what I had previously stated.

TT tried to argue against the truth and misrep me. He got caught lying. He is scum.
@titus I also think this is all very dumb.
.

[kiwieagle]

Look so heres a quick recap
Elusive claimed I had an emotional burst (or became emotional)while I instead argued thats my playstyle and I consistently played like that. Therefore, elusives case could be quickly dismissed since my aggresive (or what she called heated or emotional) playstyle is present regardless of my alignment.


Therefore

Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

Is not a contradiction but an affirmation of what I had previously stated.

TT tried to argue against the truth and misrep me. He got caught lying. He is scum.
@titus I also think this is all very dumb.
.

@All -- I think it is Titus/kiwieagle right now.
I don't think TT lied as there are nuisances involved.
Plus the cross talk with Titus is fluff designed to make it look like they interact

Please read my thoughts on whose scum or my interactions with bankai before saying something as ignorant as this :"Plus the cross talk with Titus is fluff designed to make it look like they interact"


Also the issue with tt is he continued to lie and discredit me even after I explained to him why he was wrong.


Why am I not suprised elusives' slot is still playing scummy?

[kiwieagle]

Uuuh aggresive.
Mad you are completely and utterly wrong consistently?
Your whole argument was a lie and you got caught. Now you change your argument to I was shady?

Sorry. Mafia doesnt work like that.

[kiwieagle]

Change the uuuuh to ooooo. Wrong vocal noise.

[kiwieagle]

Obviosly I went back. I had forgotten where I had used not being emotional as a defense until tt quoted his "sources". And when he did I realized I hadnt.

[kiwieagle]

Then not when...

[kiwieagle]

So you are still going support the claim that my interactions with titus' slot have been fluff?

Look heres my argument:
Read the game.

Because you are... wait for it... ignorant and wrong.
Damn.
Do you even know what fluff is?

[kiwieagle]

Titus is bankai, my scummy friend.

[kiwieagle]

Before anyone misunderstands (purposefully or accidntally) me agaij the scumm friend referred to ozigin.

For example like this
You are stupid, little padawan.

[kiwieagle]

Before anyone misunderstands (purposefully or accidentally) me again the scummy friend referred to ozigin.

For example like this
You are stupid, little padawan.

Titus is bankai, my scummy friend.

It is posts like these that make me think kiwi and Titus are a scum team.

Damn am I a prophet or what?

[kiwieagle]

Also, mathblade if you think you can get away with your bullshit claims just like Elusive did you are dead wrong.


Here, answer this:

How have my interactions with Titus(and bankai) been nothing more than fluff?

[kiwieagle]

*sigh* you did that intentionally. My point remains.

Did what intentionally? Clarify?

You are predictable. Simple as that.

[kiwieagle]

Who the fuck cares you prove you are night elf?



Alllsooo wait a second

Also, mathblade if you think you can get away with your bullshit claims just like Elusive did you are dead wrong.


Here, answer this:

How have my interactions with Titus(and bankai) been nothing more than fluff?

Already answered both.

Your posts are communication

Bullshit.
Try again.

[kiwieagle]

I have tried to lynch Bankai repeatedly and called Bankai scum the whole fucking game what the fuck are you trying to imply with this:

@kiwi -- It is the other scumbuddy attacking me when I attack Titus.

? Did you just random.org a name and said well fuck it thats kiwi's scumbuddy?
Oh wait who did the same.
ELUSIVE!
She said I was GGG's (?) scumbuddy.



See you both are very similar.

1. Ask bullshit questions
2. Make bullshit claims.
3. Try to partner me with someone and backing it up with bullshit.
4. Be scum.



I mean sure you could say I attacked Bankai and therefore are scum with her(but then again you could say the same for TT, ozigin, yourself, acroyn etc.) but to even STATE my interactions with that slot have been fluff (or that I have been defending her by attacking those who attack her) is so WRONG its simply baffling someone could think up that without using some device like the 8 ball for advice?

[kiwieagle]

Look I caught you.

Heres what you do.

1. Go to https://eightball.tridelphia.net/
2. Ask "How can I call Kiwi scum?"
3. ????
4. Profit!

[kiwieagle]

I have tried to lynch Bankai repeatedly and called Bankai scum the whole fucking game what the fuck are you trying to imply with this:

@kiwi -- It is the other scumbuddy attacking me when I attack Titus.

? Did you just random.org a name and said well fuck it thats kiwi's scumbuddy?
Oh wait who did the same.
ELUSIVE!
She said I was GGG's (?) scumbuddy.



See you both are very similar.

1. Ask bullshit questions
2. Make bullshit claims.
3. Try to partner me with someone and backing it up with bullshit.
4. Be scum.



I mean sure you could say I attacked Bankai and therefore are scum with her(but then again you could say the same for TT, ozigin, yourself, acroyn etc.) but to even STATE my interactions with that slot have been fluff (or that I have been defending her by attacking those who attack her) is so WRONG its simply baffling someone could think up that without using some device like the 8 ball for advice?

EBWOP: I disagree with this post and it is just loud.

You are just making noise when one of Titus/Nero is caught scum. More than likely Titus.

Oh look another similarity.
Avoiding facts.
There is really NO way you could argue this statement as a truth:
"Kiwi and Titus/Bankai's interactions have been fluff."

Look, I just asked the 8-ball to give you some more advice.
Here what I got:

[kiwieagle]

I swear that answer came out on my first try. Hahahaha I didn't plan for it, but I find it oddly appropiate.


Okay House can you prove this:
"Kiwi and Titus/Bankai's interactions have been fluff."

Do it. I really want to see what you invent.

[kiwieagle]

Wait did bankai mention classes?
My class has not been mentioned at all...

Also racial traits are ment to not be some OP shit since everyone has one.

I just mentioned abilities.

I'm going to race call now. I'm a dark elf, with the shadowmeld ability, I can pick a color for my votes to be high lighted in. Has a two day cool down

night elf*

Can you please show me how Titus fucked up?

I mean I was fine with a Bankai lynch but I don't understand this sudden wagon at all.

[kiwieagle]

Jesus fuck people are stupid.
I didn't want to race claim but I mean my ability is pretty fucking useless anyway.


I am troll .
Elusive and House are both stupid scum(or just stupid) trying to push a conf scum claim because of ... a mistake during race claim?

That is the response I expected BEFORE I claimed Nero's results are true.

The fact you crumbed Night Elf and didn't flinch when Nero called you a troll and him being right I am a Night Elf makes sense. You should have had a reaction and didn't probably because Nero told the truth.

@kiwi -- It is the other scumbuddy attacking me when I attack Titus. I see how it is. Already explained. Not going to repeat it when you are too lazy to read.

Consider the ambiguous usage of the word troll, Math.

Her claim is not unreasonable.

That said, night elves seem to only be able to change their names to one color, while Titus' name is multi-color, which would suggest a different power.

VOTE: Titus

I mean if House is trying to imply that Titus AND bankai lied about their race for some ungodly reason then I really have no other choice than to call him dumb or scum.

[kiwieagle]

Maybe I am stupid and misunderstanding whats happening here?

[kiwieagle]

Guys troll racial has nothing to do with vote.
Are people trying to imply Titus is actually a troll who lied about being a Night Elf?

How is this a fucking 50/50 scum shot that makes either Titus or Nero scum?!?!

[kiwieagle]

This wagon is just fucking terrible.
Could another troll please confirm with me or am I the only one?

[kiwieagle]

I think he was Nero was just making a joke?


WHY ARE WE LETTING MATH AND HOUSE DECIDE OUR WAGONS?! THESE GUYS HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Holy crap.

[kiwieagle]

I think Nero was just making a joke^

[kiwieagle]

Man I was blinded by the fluff bull shit I hadn't paid attention to the infection that was occuring.

Okay so Math is now 100% scum in my mind.
Trying to invent a 50/50 scum shot bs and HOUSE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED HER?! WHAT>?!?


PEDIT

Nero was joking. What are you trying to pull off here?

[kiwieagle]

How the fuck did he do that? Hes actually right lol.
I mean I just gave away my class by claiming troll.

[kiwieagle]

OH FUCK I AM STUPID.

[kiwieagle]

Uhh.


I thought you were quoting Nero?

[kiwieagle]

Yeah, okay right its just a coincedence my class and race are next to each other.
W/e everyone knows what I am right now.


Okay my point remains Nero was joking.

[kiwieagle]

I am not saying what trolls do.

[kiwieagle]

Okay, right they don't do that.

[kiwieagle]

You claimed Titus is lying which implies Bankai is lying.

Logic is pretty hard.

[kiwieagle]

That is the response I expected BEFORE I claimed Nero's results are true.

The fact you crumbed Night Elf and didn't flinch when Nero called you a troll and him being right I am a Night Elf makes sense. You should have had a reaction and didn't probably because Nero told the truth.

@kiwi -- It is the other scumbuddy attacking me when I attack Titus. I see how it is. Already explained. Not going to repeat it when you are too lazy to read.

Consider the ambiguous usage of the word troll, Math.

Her claim is not unreasonable.

That said, night elves seem to only be able to change their names to one color, while Titus' name is multi-color, which would suggest a different power.

VOTE: Titus

Wait did bankai mention classes?
My class has not been mentioned at all...

Also racial traits are ment to not be some OP shit since everyone has one.

I just mentioned abilities.

I'm going to race call now. I'm a dark elf, with the shadowmeld ability, I can pick a color for my votes to be high lighted in. Has a two day cool down

night elf*

.

Its as if though I can actually provide proofs of my attack.

Damn if only everyone attacked me like this.

[kiwieagle]

It wouldn't prove you are town... just that you are a night elf.


PEOPLE COMMON SENSE PLEASE.


NERO COME BACK AND FIX THE CLUSTERFUCK YOU MADE.
If Nero is in this site and is watching this unfold purposefully then hes also fucking scum.

[kiwieagle]

Titus if you dont at least skim from page 10 then you will be permanently useless.

[kiwieagle]

Guys titus is a fucking nelf stop arguing about that

[kiwieagle]

House what race do you think she is then that can have a multi color vote but not a color vote (lol)?

[kiwieagle]

@nero
They mostly consisted of tier theory? Im finding a compromise... if shes down to read everything then more power to her.

[kiwieagle]

I think lurkers have an unfair advantage..
Theres at least 3 in this game.
And i cant attack them because they dont post
Definitely one or more scum there


Pedit

Did house just turn on his wagon buddy?
Oof backstab . Damn that must hurt.

[kiwieagle]

Yh I am ok with house wagon

VOTE: house

[kiwieagle]

@Mod: Please check PMs

@All: No answer from mod yet. Vote stays til I hear an answer.

So what race is titus again?


I mean this is just embarassing.

[kiwieagle]

VOTE: MathBlade

Being willing to lynch someone without using an available tool for information is scummy, and I still think Elusive slipped on that answer from ABR.

Yeah, I can sheep this vote.

VOTE: MathBlade

If you want my vote to move, ask the mod if your vote can be made in multi-color. kthx.

Scummy.
There is no reason to ask the mod when you have something called common sense.
Also talk about a complete 180.

hi guys

wats going on

Nero spent the game trolling :/ So reading him is impossible :/

Don't confuse your lack of comprehension with trolling.
I still can't believe you let yourself enter that thought process.
I am surprised I was the only one had an issue with it. Titus couldn't even defend himself properly and House followed you.
Worst part is I thought bankai was scum and there I was defending scum.

Oh well. Such is the game of Mafia.

tl;dr version cos I am not reading any of this shit

We don't need a second replacement who's not going to read the game...

too bad.

I am asking for a tl;dr version do you think can produce 1?

This goes for both titus and pirate
Go ISO killer jester and read 20 posts (or something) before and after each vote count do get an idea of the game.

So anyone not voting you is town?

Right, because questioning Titus, who isn't voting me, means I think she is town.

That totally makes sense.

You followed Math into a bad wagon and repeated what Math said.
Once the situation turned sour you went went back to attack Math.

Your point here is at best null because of how illogical the questioning was so Nero's point still remains true.

Nero looks much more townie in this exchange than House...which is worrying me.

I'm not scum, Titus. If you don't believe me and decide to lynch me, I'll get the barbecue sauce.

Also, you have threatened Titus like 5 times that if she votes you she is scum.
Talk about someone trying to scare away Titus.

Math is town.

Why do you have a town read on her now?

Because it's easy as hell for scum to rationalize voting me when I'm town.

Kinda like what you're doing.

I could rehash this same defense every time someone calls me scum.
Its a terrible defense and looks like an easy cop out every time someone has a legitimate point.

[kiwieagle]

I am not defending math at all
I just think houses reasoning for the 180 is really bad.

[kiwieagle]

I mean from the get go this wagon had a shitty foundation and he just did that to find the quickest exit after he got flak.

[kiwieagle]

You cannot rely on a meta defense every time someone attacks you, House.
No one is going to go read your games.

[kiwieagle]

Also, with your logic people who read you as town should vote you because you play like town when you are scum.

[kiwieagle]

But you are not ass town so whats your point there?


Pedit
Wow thats a bad post. I dont know where to begin.

[kiwieagle]

I... well if someone reads post #1193 they should be able to foind the fallacies themselves. Not going to on my cellphone lol.

[kiwieagle]

1 shot vig comes from tauren and speak after dead comes from druid?

Im I the only one with nothing but a shitty useless racial with my class also being useless?

[kiwieagle]

Actually, don't answer that.





Going to post my thoughts when I get to my house.

[kiwieagle]

At least you have a reason.

It's wrong, but at least it's a reason.

This implies we don't have a reason?


Talk about illiteracy and/or willful ignorance.

I'm tired of this shitty game already.

People that should fucking know better are even thinking I'm scum... which I wouldn't mind if I wasn't reading them as town (which Nero isn't, the little scumbucket).

Fuck this game.

VOTE: House

Finish the job already.

Desperate, frustrated scum.

Actually...

UNVOTE:

No reason for me to self-vote and deny town info when I can get the same result by claiming.

I'm a 1-shot vig. My claim is verifiable by having town decide who to vig (I'd recommend this happen tonight, as I'll likely be targeted by scum tonight). That night, there should be 2 NK's. Scum's and the vig target.

Of course, I'll likely be killed too, which will get me out of having to put up with this garbage.

It'll also ensure I don't live to MyLo at any rate, because I suck in MyLo and have cost town the game more than once with my sporadic decision making.

Win/win.

Who then goes back on his commitment when he realizes Math is an easy lynch.

Yeah -- I think with 3 days left unless someone flash lynches ABR which I am down for at this point then I think House needs to go today.

However with the limited time frame I will self hammer if close to deadline and L-1 that way we won't no lynch.
House would you do the same?

House + ABR + one of {Ozgin/Troubled Townie/The Fuzzy Logic}

Those are my last reads if I am lynched.

No, and this is scummy as hell.

There's still 3 days left.

If this had been posted on the last day of the Day, I could see it, but you are sounding like you're wanting to rush the lynch.

VOTE: Mathblade

Just look at this.
House realizes that he must put out all these bullshit reasons to get a quick Math lynch and avoid being lynched himself.
A few pages ago HOUSE AND MATH WERE BUDDYING TO LYNCH TITUS.

Opportunistic as fuck.

Townhouse voting townhouse cause people ignore his meta. He's most likely town, so put your vote to use somewhere else.

Pedit Mathblade, he's done exactly this before. Townhouse will go from "I will fight to the very last post to prevent my mislynch" to "Screw it, *self-vote*" very quickly.

pirate mollie, read the thread. We don't need to rehash everything for you because you're too lazy to do your job(assuming you're town).

Oh okay so if I play exactly like my town games (which is what I am supposed do to as mafia anyway) then TroubledTownie will consider me conftown!
Damn, its that easy?!

[kiwieagle]

Oh okay so if I play exactly like my town games (which is what I am supposed do to as mafia anyway) then TroubledTownie will consider me conftown!
Damn, its that easy?!

IF

all your town games you are abrasive, and

IF

all your scum games you are complacent

THEN

yes, playing abrasive makes you pretty much conftown.

If you manipulate your meta even once, and play abrasive as scum, then your meta becomes worthless.

No one is stupid enough to make their town/scum play so straightforward.

HOUSE CLAIMS SCUMMY PLAY IS ONLY VISIBLE IN HIS TOWN ALIGMENT.
I mean thats just wayyy too bullshit of a defense to even consider it a rebuttal.
"Damn so that quick change of a wagon looks oportunistic"

"WELL derp thats how I play town"

"OH right! Okay conftown!"

to the lead developer

Is this game straight or scambled This is to say does the alignment line up with source material ( straight) or does the alignment differ from the source material ie orcs, trolls undead can be town aligned( scrambled) (

If you knew your WoW lore, you wouldn't ask that question at all.

The horde are not scummy at all, and in fact were wronged for a long time by alliance.

Alliance is far scummier than horde, if you really want to get right down to it.

Talk about not knowing wow lore and then say this.

Horde is not in any way more scummy than alliance.
They are both correct/good in their own ways.

[kiwieagle]

Okay..
first off my name has nothing to do with bad logic.

secondly- associations without atleast one flip is useless. Thesres noway around that. You can try to convince yourself otherwise but it will be empty words

Thirdly meta is helpful but not always reliable. People can use meta toward their own advantage...so all meta needs.to be taken with agrain of salt

Forth - killing a claim is dumb when we have a chance to confirm..also House could be usefull. I am really confused by this lynch house wagon. We loose nothing by waiting to lynch house until day 2. Even if House is scum there are two other scum we can catch. Honestly can Nero or Xombie explain what we loose if we wait to lynch House until day 2... we still lose a townie since there is atleast one other scum ( prob 2)

Wait maybe this just might be a result of me skimming too much.

But isnt:

Thirdly meta is helpful but not always reliable. People can use meta toward their own advantage...so all meta needs.to be taken with agrain of salt

exactly what House is doing?


EVEN IF HOUSE DOES VIG SOMEONE IT DOES NOT CONFIRM SHIT.
Its part of his class/race.

[kiwieagle]

Wait it comes from his role PM?
House are you a ungeared raider?

[kiwieagle]

Damn ignore the second quote.
I was repling to fuzzy and then got confused and quote house saying the same thing lol.

[kiwieagle]

Fuzzy should vote someone

Hes argumenting against people but isn't putting his money anywhere.

Albert can you rationalize the high pressure Elusive read?
Im p sure I see that in both frustrated town and flailing scum.
I am okay with an Elusive lynch.

[kiwieagle]

Look.

House you promised us a vig and now that you might not get lynched you might NOT take a shot?

[kiwieagle]

I personally feel reaching a consensus will never occur so House instead should just vig what the majority want and not fall-back on the "Well you never got a majority bitches!!!"

[kiwieagle]

I personally feel reaching a consensus will never occur so House instead should just vig what the majority want and not fall-back on the "Well you never agreed to one bitches!!!"

[kiwieagle]

Damn.
This is just not my day.
I have said so many stupid things.

[kiwieagle]

I personally feel reaching a consensus will never occur so

House instead should just vig what the majority want

and not fall-back on the "Well you never got a majority

bitches!!!"

Cogdiss, bruh.

I personally feel reaching a consensus will never occur so House instead should just vig what the majority want and not fall-back on the "Well you never got a majority bitches!!!"

I personally feel reaching a consensus will never occur so House instead should just vig what the majority want and not fall-back on the "Well you never agreed to one bitches!!!"

Damn.
This is just not my day.
I have said so many stupid things.

Useless commentary. Check.

[kiwieagle]

Abr lynch not happening

Any attempts are stupid because they are a reach for the impossible which will lead to a no lynch


Fuzzy stop being a pussy and fucking vote one of the real wagons
Or are you scared scum?

[kiwieagle]

If math is L 1 with less than an hour left I will hammer since everyone here seems to be scared

[kiwieagle]

I am okay with an extension though

[kiwieagle]

Can we please just lynch House?
Abr's claim made this all wifom-y as fuck

If there is no vig this night then tommorow:
Did house not take the shot?
Did house get roleblocked?
Is house simply not a vig?

No one will know and we wont prove shit

[kiwieagle]

Also abr what is the name of jailkeeper?
Ia it geared raider?
(This is an easy way to see if he is telling the truth... maybe)

[kiwieagle]

Actually dont answer that abr

[kiwieagle]

Fuzzy you look like scum trying to avoid hammering and getting attention due to mislynch. Or trying to avoid hammering a buddy.
A few pages ago you claimed you would hammer, and now you have gone on a pointless stalling tangent.

[kiwieagle]

@fuzzylogic

that would mean at least 10 more pages of effort on my part
I mean maybe its just me but day 1 has been sooooo long....

Also that claim (which I suppose is satirizing ABR) will be taken seriously by Math so be careful with what you say lol. (Also proves my point that you are creating a pointless stalling tang ent)

[kiwieagle]

Fuzzy you have been a bystander/lurker this whole game yet when the House/Math wagons started to ramp up your activity spiked.
Your first vote in this whole fucking game was on MATH.
Of course, no one has even had suspicion of you because you have coasted this whole damn game.

[kiwieagle]

I am not going to enter a tangent right now though because then I would be a hypocrite.
I say this continues another day...

[kiwieagle]

Flip flopping like a politician is scummy for you but you don't vote for House?


Mmk.

[kiwieagle]

Fuzzy good job bro
Ignore the naysayers

[kiwieagle]

back and deadline is frozen. You should hammer House. All of Town is ungeared Raiders. House claimed vig when he started get run up. ABR claimed jailkeeper because he .....I don't know why because it's a scum claim :/

Collectively every night the town and scum go on a raid. We get raid tokens based on the alignment of who flips from the lynch/NKs. We start with 20 tokens. Tier 1 items are the least expensive, Tier 1 the most. Whichever has the most collective votes gets purchased and the people on that tier get randomized together. Whichever name gets pulled gets one of those items on that tier (at random).

And I am also the counter wagon so while I am telling the truth I wouldn't blame you if you asked for a second opinion on things

Vote House

Sorry man but at this point your flip is more important to your vig abilities/.

If House flips scum than ABR is town and Xombie is likely town
if House Flip town than ABR and or House is scum

If House flips Town then WTF and ABR scum and probably you.
If House flips Scum then ABR scum and probably you.

Look at this 180

Cmonnn

[kiwieagle]

3rd party serial killer ?
How can you town side?


This is a net good
Go me

[kiwieagle]

Okok fine credit where credit is due
Go me and nero

[kiwieagle]

And xombie too!

[kiwieagle]

And fuzzy!

[kiwieagle]

Ozigin...

He tunnels math for "lying" but lets abr do it without consequences


Double standards for buddies?

[kiwieagle]

Fuck I want to post a niceee post


But for now:
House is 3rd party sk fucking obvious
This is like that titus crap

[kiwieagle]

Also abr jailkeeper claim was a good move
forget that ozigim buddiea bullshit

Ozigin still might be scum scared of abr though

[kiwieagle]

I really want to suspect you, because you've been harassing me the entire game, but I don't see you as scum. Stop voting for me and direct your attention at Titus.

Yeah I guess I'm some kind of special space cadet because I still suspect you but honestly that first bit of aggression I felt was missing in your posts. :/ I kinda missed it.

Unvote

ABR -- as a heads up I generally want to lynch all liars unless there is some huge proof hence my scum read on you. I still don't get it tbh.

If you thought he was gambitting why not just vote him and be done with it? Why the fake claim? That I don't get.

@Kiwieagle -- What was ABR fake claiming good?

@ABR -- That being said the fact Titus and TT opened out of the gate voting me is pretty suspicious so I'm holding my vote until I can reread the thread Sunday or unless something major happens.

I agree that somewhere in this group there's probably scum but I need to reread the thread.

Oh look.
Scared.
Scummy.

And to your question, it was a good move because I wanted to lynch House. It was obvious it was a lie since the start. I thought no one voiced it because they didn't want to "spoil" the surprise.

[kiwieagle]

Like really, did anyone honestly believe there would be a "vigilante" or a "jailkeeper"?
Bullshit was met with bullshit so they like canceled each other out.

[kiwieagle]

every day vote tier
one tier wins
mod rolls dice for everyone
highest roll win random role from tier

class i dont know yet


race gives crappy ability

abr claimed jailkeeper
house claimed vigilante

stop asking dumb questions.

VOTE: Mathblade
I mean their fight is just so scummy.
Math and Titus look like distancing scrubs.
Still, prefer Math over Titus.




race gives crappy