Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

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VOTE: bankaikiller

To whoever replaces that slot I think it is scum after a quick read. Will do more later.

I think I am replacing bsnakiller so you scumread me before I even post.

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I would rather buy tier 1. While less powerful, they are cheaper.

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Nope. You get the piwerful shit when you can break the setup with it.

VOTE: Nero

I am starting from ABR conftiwn based on ~reasons.

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I do not know yours.

Wow. My name is cool mod. Thanks!

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I am starting from ABR conftiwn based on ~reasons.

Reasons that have any correlation to my own, or different?

What are yours?

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Mod: I did not bold my tier suggestion.

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What makes you think ABR is town?

Dude's playing like Wisdom on steroids.

His posts beg me to vote him at a glance.

There's a point behind his abrasiveness and confrontational attitude, though.

That point makes him town.

No. You are townreading ABR.

I just am not bothering to read ABR today.

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I want to see more shiny colors.

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I haven't read at all.

I refuse to read ABR today for alignment and I am treating ABR as conftown. Scumread me all you want.

I bet you hate my pointy ears. Racist.

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Is anyone else's screen messing up or does Ozgin look red and Titus's name look like a pride parade?

Man if only I could turn my vote purple and have elf ears...That'd be cool.

@House: I agree

I think of it more as Tan Indigo Tan Ultramarine and Smokey myself.

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VOTE: bankaikiller

To whoever replaces that slot I think it is scum after a quick read. Will do more later.

I think I am replacing bsnakiller so you scumread me before I even post.

Wait, wouldn't you get the same alignment as bankai, regardless of when you replace? So if bankai is scum, and you replace bankai, then you'd be scum -- He was probably scumreading bankai, you just happen to be the poor bastard who got the heated slot.

That's one hell of a coincidence since Math and I subbed in at the same time.

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Seriously...over emotional crap, what the fuck...call me back when you want to scumhunt. Social engineering ain't my thing.

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Kiwi and zombie are likely both town. Woot.

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House, I haven't read 674.

Nero, give me something to respond to.

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I did by saying there's nothing worth responding to, therefore no need to post.

I am voting you because ABR is and I am looking for reactions. Right now, you are not towning it up.

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Why aren't you posting in this game Titus?

House, I haven't read 674.

Nero, give me something to respond to.

That's exactly what 916 means in context. Do not be obtuse.

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I never read on subbing in anymore. It's a waste of time.

I am doing plenty.

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@Math, what are the alliance and horde? I have also put plenty of concrete things down. I think zombie and kiwi are town. ABR is no touchy. Lie better.

@Nero, ooh a vote...I guess you are desperate for an can of spam whoopass.

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Kiwi's response to the emotional bullshit was to call it bullshit which is townie.

Zombie obvtowned in 911.

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Not to you because you most likely are scum.

When the wagon developed on you, you tried to push me...as a lurker. Lmfao

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@Math, so answering your questions is not useful. Post some useful questions then.

@Nero, So instead of pushing a scumread in Zombie you push a lurker when I am not a lurker? Oh right...distingrate natural townblock.

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@Math, No I don't. I played WoW once. Got bored in the tutorial. That was years ago.

I will break the game, when I have plenty to work with. I am not being defensive.

Pretty sure Nero is scum.

Btw, this setup is closed. Open are easier. Closed cannot be broke Day 1.

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@House, I see your point. Kinda not sure how he gets it...so I would have pressured more there. Def lean town there based on that post.

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He's obvtown in 911 though.

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@Math, why are you blantantly racefishing?

Refuse to answer but my race is verifiable.

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Kiwi stop. O is a gut town player. I can see that from the chain here.

You are like me and try to remain logical and remove emotion. Mafia cannot be totally played like that though.

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What scum motivation is there to lie? None.

He believed what he said and was wrong. Let him reach you are town.

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@Math, if you are paying attention, my race should be obvious. As such, my group should be thanks to the link. The only thing you are hunting is who knows Wow.

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@House, I see your point. Kinda not sure how he gets it...so I would have pressured more there. Def lean town there based on that post.

He got it by reading my meta and/or GTKAS. I'm impressed that he is actually putting forth a genuine effort to research me and applying what I said about my playstyle.

That is why most likely.

I am just paranoid a buddy whispered it to him.

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@House, I see your point. Kinda not sure how he gets it...so I would have pressured more there. Def lean town there based on that post.

He got it by reading my meta and/or GTKAS. I'm impressed that he is actually putting forth a genuine effort to research me and applying what I said about my playstyle.

That is why most likely.

I am just paranoid a buddy whispered it to him.

Not on D1. I'm not so important that players feel it necessary to build their strategy to earn my townread out of the gate.

Not by a long shot.

Agreed it's not likely. Just not conftown.

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ABR, read the game. Ty.

What Nero thinks of me is obvious.

Math is probably scum here.

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Lol Math. Read again.

@Math, Stop spamming and pretending to break the game. If you think for five seconds, you know my race.

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ABR, I don't read from before I sub in unless there is something specific. Tis Policy.

I am leaving you alone. Be thankful for that.

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@Math, Counter what.

I want you or Nero swinging.

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Umm what the hell? Night elves aren't trolls.

Nero was trolling me...

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Lol. No. I changed my thing Math. I am a night elf.

He was trolling me.

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I am town. Night Elf. Obviously.

I changed my own name and even I crumbed that I did it.

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kiwi, you are my D2 vote, you are acting scummy as hell.

Lucky for you, Titus basically scumclaimed today.

Umm no.

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I am town. Night Elf. Obviously.

I changed my own name and even I crumbed that I did it.

Night Elf has ONE COLOR.
Ozgin's activation is different than yours who is also claiming night elf.

QED likely Troll.

Wrong. I asked the mod. It literally says one color but I thought crumbing using it would be cool. Especially if I got a cop or sonething.

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What scum motivation is there in scumclaiming before I even show up Math?

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Lol. You are a night elf if you claim that, Math.

You can do multicolor. Thus confirming my story. Just ask the mod.

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You have got to be fucking kidding me. Nero was trolling me.

I didn't even realize I needed to counter anything.

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#facepalm...or Nero was trolling me.

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And so you'll turbolynch Nero when I flip town Math?

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I am not saying what trolls do.

Just eliminate changing text multicolored...

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Math, you could easily clarify this by asking the mod to change your vote to a particular rainbow.

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VOTE: Math

You won't ask the mod because it would prove I am town.

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That is the argument TT.

It wholly becomes pointless if another night elf verifies multicolor.

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We could...Math claims night elf. All she would have to do is pm the mod for that request to multicolor her names in vote counts.

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No I don't make illegal requests to mods when scum beg me to fix their fuckup. I just vote them.
Then if you flip scum as is very likely, Nero will have confirmed everyone's race. Then everyone can say what they do.
If you flip town, conf scum in Nero.

EBWOP: Yes I think Titus's slot lied and got caught when Nero checked them. I honestly wanted night elf for her. So much potential for good from Titus being conf town. But alas she is conf scum

Hold on. You're not even willing to pm the mod and ask for clarification on your racial ability?

That's why I am voting her.

We could crumb if we are night elves to prevent silencing. I was planning on doing that if I got a cop.

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Nero I am doing exactly what you ask. I am not good at early game, so I do not bother with it. Disagreeing with you happens as a null tell.

You have me as dominating the game and useless...which one is right?

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House what race do you think she is then that can have a multi color vote but not a color vote (lol)?

btw I think she is a gay night elf

Married to a sexy dude ty.

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Nero, why is Math town?

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One mod says it is frowned upon to ask and just to try it and I am not wasting something that has a two day cool down that clearly could be answered. If the other mod doesn't answer either I will just vote Titus and if she flips night elf consider the game bastard for not following the role PM.

I was waiting for an answer from the other mod since not everyone is as literal as I am.

Math, which mod did you ask hypothetically?

If you are a night elf, you can just submit the request to the mod I asked and he will do it.

You are full of shit and busted scum.

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Just 'cause I ended up correctly calling you a night elf doesn't mean I have any powers that let me find out races.

It does raise suspicion that you already knew she was though.

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Mollie is obvtown. Scum mollie does not walk in and piss people off.

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House, I already addressed the issue. Stop being up in my ass to confirm you as town, it delays the fuck out of me getting there.

Math is so not town btw.

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Far as I am concerned you don't. Too hard to figure out what may be trolling and what isn't and if I find something shitty you could just call it trolling again.

Stop copping out.

I do not like Nero's content but it is there.

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Nero looks much more townie in this exchange than House...which is worrying me.

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Nero looks much more townie in this exchange than House...which is worrying me.

I'm not scum, Titus. If you don't believe me and decide to lynch me, I'll get the barbecue sauce.

Then I'll see it. Just do your usual open honest and abrasive...

The less you are that, the more I am paranoid that it's Math/Zombie/House...

I'm pretty sure Math is... just figuring out her buddies.

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Nero, so Math as town spontaneously tried to get two townies to 1 v 1 and refused to just basi:ally pm the mod to clarify the claim? No.


I particularly like TT as tiwn.

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keep up that appeal to authority, house

Keep up that being a dumbass, Nero.

I found this post funny when house chastised me in you cld be any1 for being abrasive.

titus and math guns to heads what is your reads on each other

Math's scum but you shouldn't need a gun for that darling.

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Do you think Math, as scum, would post something so mind boggingly dumb as she did and expect to get away with it?

Yes. I taught her how to play scum. Unfortunately, we never got to the get out of bullshit lesson.

That lesson is wholly unnecessary if you remember the golden rule.

Do not lie. Withhold.

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keep up that appeal to authority, house

Keep up that being a dumbass, Nero.

I found this post funny when house chastised me in you cld be any1 for being abrasive.

titus and math guns to heads what is your reads on each other

If it comes down to that I'd shoot myself as I think Titus is town this game. I know I'm town but at least we'd get information from it.

I'm thinking Nero and ABR and House and ABR as potential scum teams.

Nero and House should 1v1 tbh.

What is your fasination with Nero 1 v 1 ing.

Some people sort each other by fighting.

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Sis, stop drama making.

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At Nero, as town, I have to agree. Scum put that out a lot.

Uncertain about associatives yet NC.

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At Nero, as town, I have to agree. Scum put that out a lot.

Uncertain about associatives yet NC.

since when have you ever been uncertain about associatives on d1? usually you are running around bragging about breaking the set up.

blatant sheeping of nero

VOTE: house

Because half the game is pinging as Math's buddy.

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I do not want to lynch House today.

If we force House to shoot Math, we get two lynches.

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Or better yet, we lynch Math and force House to shoot someone we suspect is his buddy. Win Win.

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If we force House to shoot Math, we get two lynches.

Who would you want dead if we don't lynch House?

Math.

After Math, Fuzzy but I get more awkward tells than alignment tells from him.

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It'll also ensure I don't live to MyLo at any rate, because I suck in MyLo and have cost town the game more than once with my sporadic decision making.

I *don't* want blowback for targeting a townie

notice the cong dis in these two statements.

I think if House were town and REALLY thought I was scum he wouldn't give a shit but this is all ignoring the fact that he's likely not a vig anyways. I mean yeah, he has bullets 'cause he's scum but doesn't have a pro-town alignment.

Wrong. Him asking town makes his role confirmable or tells us about the setup.

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Feeling real uncomfortable w Zombie atm...

That 180

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@Kiwi, the only wat House is scum to me is if Xombie is also scum. So come over onto Math and House must shoot Xombie.

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Xombie's finding of House's meta either clears House or scumfirms them together. My concern there us the wording is too perfect.

So yeah, I got no desire to lynch House.

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Why is Math town ABR?

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VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.

Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!

If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.

I did see that too
But you not playing/being as active is not alignment indicative
Whereas
You towning it up in a game is more indicative of your scum play, as your town game is scummy as hell

Nero, my concern here is that Xombie's posts feels as if it is written by House literally describes his meta like that.

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Also using associations at this point of the game is dumb and also anti town.....

No, it's not anti-town.

When House flips scum, I'm a good candidate for the NK.
And if you have any familiarity with House, you'd see how likely it is that he is scum here.

Further.

If you have any familiarity with Titus, you'd be a little weirded out right now that she isn't trying to setup break, especially when I hand deliver a speculation that doesn't make sense for House to be a vig right now. And she hasn't even touched on it? Not even a bit of moonlogic for the masses?

So no, not anti-town at all. It's pro-town to discuss who I think House's partners are pre-flip in the event that I die and the reasons for that.

Nice try, though.

Setup breaking is impossible atm since I do not even know whatmy class does yet.

House being a vig is not impossible. Also, if he was a scum vig, it makes zero sense for him to claim it. I refuse to dignify any further ridiculousness this game day with a response atm.

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If you were familiar with both my town and scum games, I setup break as both. It just ain't breakable yet.

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@NC, it's not what was said but HOW. House self-metas as I appear scummy as town and townie as scum. So when I see another player putting that forth, it raises my alarm bells a little. At the same time, if Xombie reached that on his own...then town and town. If one of them is scum, I would turbo lynch the other.

@TT, Scum would not claim an abberation in a case like this.

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Also using associations at this point of the game is dumb and also anti town.....

No, it's not anti-town.

When House flips scum, I'm a good candidate for the NK.
And if you have any familiarity with House, you'd see how likely it is that he is scum here.

Further.

If you have any familiarity with Titus, you'd be a little weirded out right now that she isn't trying to setup break, especially when I hand deliver a speculation that doesn't make sense for House to be a vig right now. And she hasn't even touched on it? Not even a bit of moonlogic for the masses?

So no, not anti-town at all. It's pro-town to discuss who I think House's partners are pre-flip in the event that I die and the reasons for that.

Nice try, though.

Setup breaking is impossible atm since I do not even know whatmy class does yet.

House being a vig is not impossible. Also, if he was a scum vig, it makes zero sense for him to claim it. I refuse to dignify any further ridiculousness this game day with a response atm.

He's not a vig!
He's not a town vig.
He's not a scum vig.

He's a scum claiming town vig to stay alive to get a mislynch through before he dies.

That makes even less sense. Why claim vig when the setup implies most town are ungeared at start? That has the exact opposite effect as you intend for him.

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@Nero,@Nero, and if House flips town?

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Xombie, I have the most experience with House here. I practically taught House how to play (although he was a quick study).

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Xombie, I have the most experience with House here. I practically taught House how to play (although he was a quick study).

Even more surprising then that you don't see that he's scum here.

#674 sums it up well. Iam pretty sure you're aligned w House. I am leaning towards that being your independant conclusion though.

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I will be pretty excited if scum are House/TT/Titus

Disappointment looms.

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It would almost townfirm House if Xombie flipped town.

Nero I am not calling House scum. I am saying he appears scummy as town.

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Nero, suppose Math is scum. How do things change?

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Turbo lynchXombie. Already said.

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@Nero, Why are you bolding random words from my passages?

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Aside from his vig claim (which I view as evidence of town House) can you make a case for scum House?

I am liking House more in these exchanges we are having, not less.

Also, Nero why are you townreading Math? Math has been obviously scummy. She's set up 1 v 1s based on fallacious reasons she could PM the mod to fix and only backed down when wagoned for it. Then she immediately suggests House and Nero go at it as a 1 v 1 for what reason, I cannot tell.

ABR, get your ass in here. I am giving you leeway due to our history. Do not abuse the privilege. If you do not get on here and post, I will push a policy lynch on you tomorrow.

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Why are you lynching House over Mathblade?

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But how did you escape your bandwagon, Nero?

Read. Math scumclaimed.

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I didn't scum claim as I'm not scum. *sigh*

This is utterly ridiculous.

House+ABR + derp!Titus or scum!Titus and Titus always says I scum claim. It's never true

People don't agree when I'm wrong.

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What's the rush? Did you know I offered to cross replace and got that done? So please freeze deadline.

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Or we could lynch Math scum for rushing to lynch PRs for no reason.

I have it on good Titus authority House is town.

Hey Fuzzy, how many scum games have you played in?

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I think 3-4

I won all of them except for the car racing game which I transferred out of. I am perfect as scum.

I think Professor Maniac disagrees with that claim.

That being said, you're town here so whatevs.

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Ewww...you basically just t9ok my townread on you to shreads Fuzzy.

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That would explain why I townread you...you were not scum house.

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Look into ABR/Titus tomorrow.

ABR because of that fakeclaim. I was right on House. And I'm right here, too.

And Titus because

Xombie, I have the most experience with House here. I practically taught House how to play (although he was a quick study).

Even more surprising then that you don't see that he's scum here.

That would explain why I townread you...you were not scum house.

HAHAHAHA.
"I know how to read House as town because I taught him this game blah blah"
Is scum knowing he wouldn't flip scum but not expecting SK, yet trying to cover it up because "you were not scum House". Yeah, he wasn't town either.

I did not account for 3p. I look for scum/not scum. He was not scum, therefore town. He also was townsiding.

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@Math, 3p can temporarily townside.

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O and I are night elves. We can change our names once every two days. Math scum claimed in how she pushed us. You should read from the start of the math wagon. She tried to push that I was lying about my race bc multicolored. She refused to check with the mod despite allegedly being a night elf herself. That info and my crumb plan is useful. She backed down as the wagon started to form.
House claimed vig, after flip third party.
ABR claimed jail keep.

VOTE: Mathblade

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House being 3p does not mean your read was wrong at all.

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No but it is efficient w result crumbling.

For instance, tracker would be

Checked Shos visited Titus would be Silver, (Shos)Tan, (Titus)No Color, Tan (Tracker)

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Or simpler, math wants to mislynch prs

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@AP, I don't think she's faking Night Elf. Since I did the multicolor and used it to crumb, Math attempted to argue that was a scumclaim and I was not in fact a night elf. My response was go ahead and PM the mod. Math said she would not. A wagon developed on her. Then she caved.

ABR claimed jailkeeper.

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Has anyone else claimed racial abilities? Im guessing its all mostly harmless. I have the ability to put a song in the next VC.

You should be aware of the crumbing implications of that btw.

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What is there to crumb at this point? Especially on D1? If I understand the game correctly, people can have a random PR now.

Exactly, so you can crumb if you're the tracker, what your result is. That way if you flip, we have that confirmation. :nod:

Multiple crumbs confuse the scumteam.

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Mod: Was House Third Party or Scum?

Settling this now.

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@ABR -- That being said the fact Titus and TT opened out of the gate voting me is pretty suspicious so I'm holding my vote until I can reread the thread Sunday or unless something major happens.

It's suspicious of me to vote my biggest scumread?

Appeal to ridicule.

Can you tell me why Nero wants to lynch you? Serious question.

Not really. His case against me is that he thinks I intentionally lied to try and prevent a mislynch...

TT also remarks that house self voting is a town tell when at most, this it was null.

I actually find this fairly compelling. I can see scum saying that if they have reason to think House is town. Ok Nero, TT and TFL, we can do it.

What the fuck is up with that top quote? I opened out of the gate today voting Mathblade and that section isn't in 1648...
As I've posted before, I had seen townHouse do that, but I hadn't seen him do it as scum. I even asked for a link to a game where he did that as scum.

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What the fuck is up with that top quote? I opened out of the gate today voting Mathblade and that section isn't in 1648...

Damn it... Fucking quote boxes

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Math still needs to die.

Later.

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Why Math, Titus?

Math's bullshit pushes throughout the game. Scum band wagoned House to save Math and got lucky.

@House, You are wrong. *pats*

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@Mollie, vote Math with me. She's utterly not interacted with you and shos.

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How can you argue house is not sk?

I would not be suprised if scum were against house lynch knowing his vig claim was complete bullshit and hoping they could kill 2 town a noght.

If I am wrong on Math, I would agree with this,

But Math is town.

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Math is NOT town,

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Math is not town. I was correcting a typo.

Kiwi's analysis is correct only as far as Math is town. If Math is scum, then her buddies would be on the House wagon.

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Houses racial ability was the ghost ability,,,,His flip said he was an ungeared hacker. If he was a SK the flip would said so. There is no reason to believe he had any abilities. I am really thinking hackers might be like a neighbor or maybe a cult . Maybe there are two or three of them. This seems to make the most sense. If he was a survivor or Sk the flip would say so.

This is bullshit. A haxxorz in WOW hurts othera for aelf gain. This is obviously an SK.

This is obviously an SK

HE'S NOT A GODDAMN SK.

I asked the mod. House was the SK.

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Math no one ever called you scum for claiming night elf.

Actually, I was going to call him scum for claiming night elf and not showing us his ability to use it.


Can someone make note of House's weird message at the end of the last votecount???

It's freaking me out and I don't get it.

Also, sorry I've been out of commission lately, I had my woman over for the last few days, which is a rare occasion.

It is an accusation Nero and I are cross talking.

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No need to get close as I think you are town and scum are dominating the thread looking for mislynches. I didn't work so they move to you who is a replacement. :/ I will stay here my vanilla self

Can we fucking lynch this already? Seriously.

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That's just wrong. :/

I don't even comprehend the second part of this.

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It is an accusation Nero and I are cross talking.

EBWOP

I didn't see this post somehow.

Okay, well.. Are you? Why would a dead man have to lie?

He wouldn't. He just is wrong. Dead doesn't mean spoiled.

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It's because scum are resisting a math lynch and doubtcasting those who vote Math.

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Please replace said player as well. It is not me btw.

ABR, what has Math done that is townie or protown?
Tried to one v one Nero and House, both town. One v One, me and Oz, both town.
Tried to get me mislynched over a musunderstanding she could have clarified with a PM.

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@ABR, Really where?

@Math, House wasn't groupscum. Nero likely isn't groupscum. So your 1 v 1s never lanf on groupscum.

You did not stick to your ground when being wagoned.

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How did Ozgin scumslip?

VOTE: Mathblade

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Killer jester is in the hospital so im taking over for a bit

Nerocain was killed -

Ungeared Raider - Human Rogue

I hope she gets better soon.

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Umm no...that's someone changing a read.

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Guys with 9 alive this is likely mylo.

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Derp. Not mylo. One ml from lylo.

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ABR
If you are reading this I want to say how disappointed in you are. You really hurt the town.

I also hope KJ get better

Now on to business
Ok my reads are horrible. Right now I feel like voting Titus bc I been town reading her and my reads have been totally wrong up to this point

Rather than randomly assuming you are wrong and giving scum what they want, why not actually put your reads here so we can force a scum lynch?

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Oz looks town. Shos looks incredibly scummy. I'm still on board for lynching Math as well.

VOTE: Shos

I could compromise here.

Fuzzy, your thoughts.

I am pretty sure you and me are town. Weaker on Fuzzy and Ozgin. If we could all agree on a lynch that would be great.

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Post 1865 -- He said it made him doubt my town alignment. Thus implying he knows I am town. Hell lynch me and that'd obv scum Ozgin

You obviously didn't read 1916.

Stop trying to push another mislynch this close to lylo. Or maybe you know that and are desperate for a mislynch to further your win condition, so you're blindly pulling shit out of your ass to misrep me.

It sucks shit but math does this all the time. She forgets scum would not doubt town alignment after the sk flipped.

VOTE: shos

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Please do. I forgot about you when including my townreads. Derp.

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VOTE: Tier 2

Given the gamestate, a protective role is best.

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My biggest concern with Math is every single 1 v 1 she has picked has been all not group scum. She is capable of such extreme derpage as town though.

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Also t2 is prob best so then investigative role can claim today and we got some leads

My thoughts as well. Bus Driver swaps themselves with investigative to limit confusion of investigation and act as a bodyguard.

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Mod: Can scum get the items town elects?

My thought was no...but the first page is not crystal clear.

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From killerjester's post

The town ends Day 2 without a lynch so will receive neither raid tokens nor additional gear.

So no one got any gear.

Titus stop fluffing up the thread with bullshit mechanics, TT stop chain gunning FoS's.

Jeez I swear it is like these two are just defending Ozgin and trying to anything to dodge their scumslip.

We have cop (or other investigative) from D1. Getting doc bg or bus driver is best today if we know doc and cop will both be town.

Then cop is less likely to die.

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Bus driver should swap cop and scumread derp.

Bus driver swapping themselves with cop can lead to dead cop.

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My biggest concern with Math is every single 1 v 1 she has picked has been all not group scum. She is capable of such extreme derpage as town though.

I picked two 1v1's meaning 1 is town one is not.

First was House and Nero. Surprise one was town one wasn't.
Second was House and me. Surprise one is town and one wasn't.

Bullshit detector high.

And you also tried to one v one me and nero.

My point is all your 1 v 1 pushes have not included group scum

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Or we could keep the cop secret and protect the cop that way What we get is randomized if you are bidding on that tier.

It is random protective in Tier 2.

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Kiwi, the problem with Math is she does the same resist the obviously good option as town or scum.

In Playing with elements, I was uncced tracker wanting a massclaim to pin the scums into categories and make it near impossible for scum to read. Math doubtcasts me, waffles on her claim, and conftowned a scum based on bussing.

She resists optimal play as either alignment.

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@Ozgin,

With shos for me he has worn out the replacement welcome. For awhile it's ok not to give content. Hell I almost never read the backup but sink my teeth in pretty quickly to the content. He has not given any content nor any solid read.

As for why I am town, I suck at arguing why I am town. It is something I rarely do unless I am a lynch candidate. I prefer to let my thought pattern speak for itself. I do think no withholdong is good AFTER the mod confirms that all random bids can only go to town.

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Ozgin, if kiwi is scum, why would he insist on pushing the same wagon over and over when being told he was wrong? No, he would be better off sheeping and taking a blameless lynch.

Kiwi, Ozgin is town to. He's moving towards town consensus, saying what he needs from people. The only awkward/doubtable thing is him asking us to argue that we are town. We need a solid townblock here to win.

Tldt: Stop t v ting you two.

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Ozgin, kiwi is town. Scum want easy mislynches. They tend not to tunnel here.

@TT, House was an ungeared raider I believe.

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No he was ungeared hacker nm.

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There is active lurking.

Can you agree to set Ozgin aside for now and we lynch shos who we both agree on?

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Ugh... ^^^ makes me think Math/shos with a random vote to doubtcast me.

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Kiwi, resistance is good...but look at who resists. If you townreads resist a wagon, it's because it is on town. Scum resist on scum. Agency captured townies resist on scum.

So why are you resisting shos?

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^^^ Massive buddying.

Ozgin is town. His posts read textbook town. I am explaining why he's town.

Shos meanwhile is textbook scum. He's not pushing things at all.

Ozgin and kiwi stop attacking each other.

Look at the support you have for the wagons. It's people that are generally suspected by us or at least known to be derping.

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Give me the names on the wagon. I would start with VCA.

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Supposing you me TT and Ozgin, I would vote Math most likely.

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Lynching one of you does not prove the alignment of the other.

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Kiwi, Math won her first game by hard bussing her partner.

I am content letting Math live bc she seems like her usual agency captured townie self.

Shos should die.

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Ehat do you not get Math?

Now shos, that's the shit I was looking for...content.

You really don't have a Math read though?

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Math, you rarely vote the scums as town. Your play might as well make you an honorary scum member. We all have off games but yours is nearly every game. You resist every good idea, as town. Playing with elements was really fucking bad.

Ozgin, I think Math is town but lynching her eliminates a vote the scum team wants anyway. She could be scum. Her default play is so anti town it is hard to tell.

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I've already addressed them, I believe, and they are pretty much shit. so yeah, *ignore*
I have more stuff to do than address those shitty arguments. TT's ignored a 60-page game just to follow a trail of "oh there are two peeps who replaced in and haven't done enough yet". I can't see how you can't see that.

Well what are your reads?

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On day 1 you were all wgerts is scum. Titus is scum. On mafia scum, you suck.

I have defended Ozgin repeatedly, including dismantling your so called slip.

You should learn to work with others.

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Tough shit. Provide more than he slipped and you will get more of a defense.

Or you could realize Shos has provided no content and be useful.

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The completed game I am aware of she death tunneled her buddy.

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also I feel tt is making better points than shos but shos like tumbled into the game and is trying to get up but tt kicks him back down

still if I had to choose I would vote shos

The last part doesn't sound true Kiwi. You had every option to vote Shos. Shos is the leading wagon.

I don't like Fuzzy not posting any more than you do but it can be circumstantial.

AP also is not posting anywhere either.

Can we get prods?

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Yeah, I mean I don't want to vote shos. But I feel that if I had to choose between shos and TT I would vote shos.
How doesn't that sound true lol?

Because I have been pushing towards a shos wagon consensus. You have avoided voting that wagon for pages. You had the opportuntity to vote TT or shos and you voted TT despite there being no wagon on TT.

Your willingness to vote shos sounds hollow.

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Ok, we have 4 on T2. Tier 2 should claim.

@Ozgin, I'm trying to make sure my townreads stop voting each other. That's pretty fucking transparent.

@Kiwi, I'm waiting for your shos vote. While I am aware of the possibility TFL is scum, there's a decent chance of him being replaced. Come do something.

@AngryPidgeon, please fucking vote. No more words without taking a stand.

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@Mathblade, stop pushing Ozgin. That lynch isn't happening. You saw a non-slip and now you are confbiasing everything. Knock it off. You want me to respect your reads, vote out the scums based on something more than a slip and disagreement. Find me logical inconsistencies, posts with lots of words stating nothing. There's three scums. You've tried to push two townies today. You tried to push Nero as scum, he was town. You tried to push House as group scum, he wasn't. You aren't finding group scum. Whatever is doing, you need to readjust and stat.

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So stuck.... usually by now I have a general idea of who I think is scum..which I usually change my mind o only to be right and than regret changing my mind.Yes sadly this is my MO

Okay PM has all but disappeared, Honestly I have no idea what to make of this. I donnt know if she got bored with the game, has rl issues , is scum jus sitting back and letting town lynch themselves or something else.
I am also trying hard to figure out all these 1 v 1 fight going on. I am not sure if they are just town verses town or if there a scum element involve.

I think Math is prob town. I am thinking that since they were both mislynches from the scum POV , that they were all but happy to sit back and let the town lynch. All three of the people who lynched House ( Xombie , Abr and me are town. ) The flow could of easily gone the otherway and Math could of been lynched. I have to look but if I remember right there was not a strong push to really svae either one. The push to lynch was by ABR and Xombie both town. This would mean that the scum likely sat back and pretty much let the town lynch itself. I an really thinking that the scum are the mid voters on the House lynch and maybe 1 o n the Math wagon on day 1.If there something weird about my logic I would like to hear it.

I like Kiwi push on me. I have been kinda lurking though it has been bc I have been kinda stuck. I don't see scum going after someone who is harder to lynch, I don't see me being likely lynched today. The push honestly feels like he suspects me for some reason.
I am thinking Kiwi might be town but I am not too terribly sure right now. His push on me seems to be from a town POV inho.

TDLR, you were townreading me first. You were right to townread me. Help me lynch shos and if shos is town, you can come at me tomorrow.

In order to lynch scum, first, my townreads have to stop fosing each other.

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That being said, I do like the VCA, I just feel it is too early.

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Damned if you dont damned if you do
VOTE: shos

Hopefully shos becomes more active with the pressure


Also ozigin calls me town then scum because of how I play zzz I play like like this get over it

Thank you.

Now we have 4 townies on shos.

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9 alive, 5 to lynch

I will add in deadline later, im tired atm and have a lot on my mind

Deadline is in about 4 days I believe as I think deadlines are one week long...

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deadline is 2 week, so thats on the 6th of march

Thanks mod...

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I'm not going to respond to either of them anymore, their play is just painful.

funny. you beg for a year that I respond, and then when I do, you ignore everything. amazing.

@oz: pressure doesn't make me change anything in my play. your vote doesn't make my life any less busy lol.

if I get to L-1, ask me for a claim before any hammer happens, please

As much as I think you are scum, you should be given the opportunity to claim.

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Ok... I knew ABR had posted ingame stuff outside the game but I didn't know he tried to contact Pirate....Somehow I missed that part.

This is unsettling... just how much of this game has been spoiled outside of the thread? I don't even know what the hell ABR has said outside the thread and who he has said it to.

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Less scummy, more skimmy, which is scummy.

How could you have missed PMs post?

I can live with a titus wagon ya know.

Night kill me.

P.S. fuzzy you telegraph terribly.

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Yes. If I am wrong, at least I get a solid town block going which we need for lylo.

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comprised of which players?

Me, Ozgin, Kiwi, Troubled Townie.

I have a weaker isn townread on Math but she would never join the block, it repulses her most likely given Oz's presence.

That should have been obvious by reading.

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It would be more suspicious to suddenly doubt cast the wagoners instead of joining them.

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V/LA today due to RL.

Lynch Ozgin please as IMO he is scum.

Bad. He is town.

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please get off my wagon^ *

Kiwi, Ozgin's vote changed right after I highlighted Math's meta. Math despite being town will not vote scum.

I need you to vote shos today. We have to have all town agree but for Math because she refuses to vote scum.

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@AngryPidgeon, please fucking vote. No more words without taking a stand.

I am voting.

vote out the scums based on something more than a slip and disagreement.

I dont see why you think Ozgin is town. And more worrisome, I dont see why you are snubbing a slip-case.

I like Kiwi push on me. I have been kinda lurking though it has been bc I have been kinda stuck. I don't see scum going after someone who is harder to lynch, I don't see me being likely lynched today. The push honestly feels like he suspects me for some reason.
I am thinking Kiwi might be town but I am not too terribly sure right now. His push on me seems to be from a town POV inho.

This is a ton of words but no real reason for them.

Deadline is in about 4 days I believe as I think deadlines are one week long...

Uhhh, why are you blatantly misrepping the DL with shos at L - 1?

Who are you voting for then? I don't know/

There's no reason to think Ozgin is scum. The so called slip case is wrong. I wouldn't snub as slip case if Ozgin had actually slipped. Just because you make cases based on behavior that does not mean you have to approve all cases based on behavior.

I also wasn't misrepping the deadline. I was figuring out when it was. I don't think anyone would have felt pressured to hammer even on my mistaken 4 day deadline.

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Wow another doubt cast Math.

Ozgin's ISO is a town iso. What figments do you think are there?

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I am not looking over an ISO to determine who AP is voting for when I can ask and get more fresh relevant content.

I have said Ozhin is town because there is no reason to think they are scum. You are naked attacking. Your slip is disproven. I am not going through an ISO to make a strawman. If you think there's scummy behavior, tell me what specifically Ishould be looking for.

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@TT -- Except she did read some of it by selectively reading Ozgin's ISO and not APs.

Yes the prior post of yours was the one I referenced.

Isn't your entire post about shos is that he is just going after you? Misrep not proven unless you flip town. And again your other two points are naked.

My point is valid. You did not provide a reason it was not valid. You just said she would have to read early game. She already did read ISO of Ozgin and even if she hadn't point still valid.

No. I didn't read all of Ozgin's ISO. I do not read early game when I sub in. I like my vca as pure as can be.

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Guys, that's town frustration. I have seen it enough.

Math, you are wrong on me and O. For sake of argument, who is the third? Vote them. I am not voting anyone in my townblock today.

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AP....
what do you think about Titus being so non challant about how she does not need the back posts. Also how her and Titus seems to be going after pretty easy lynches on day on and maybe on day 2 ( we cant be too sure bc of the ABR meltdown) . Can you tell me why Titus should be read as town?...

I never backread. Waste of time. See Curse of Werewolves just recently completed game for verification.

Also, I haven't gone after easy lynches. I have spent the day trying to stop my townreads from voting each other.

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Lol. Blantant vote change because Oz will not go through.

I am not getting lynched either. You could actually vote scum.

Who else do you think or pretend to think is scum?

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Hi masin! Welcome!

@Titus -- The people you are pushing I believe are town. One of the people I am tunneling just up and quit because they didn't like it so I have no reason to think the entire scum team is not within the pools I have suggested. So I will always vote my top scum read until EOD then it will be any scum I think but I am not a sheep to be had.

Mathblade, you drove someone to quit the game. That's usually townie not scummy.

Not sure what EoD is but frankly someone has to compromise to get scum lynched. You only vote town as town for the most part. I haven't seen you have a good game as town, so it really fucks up whether you are town or scum. I'm thinking town, that's why I'm trying to work with you but you really need to hard reset. Tomorrow is lylo if we listen to any lynch you suggest. So I'm asking you to look at your third scumread or at least argue why the hell shos is town

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AP.....
Not trying to misrep you. I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I getting that you want to lynch Oz before Titus, You want to rreally lynch me bc you think I am scum. If you had it your way you would I would be hanging from the nearest tree . Not sure if I could convince you I am town so I am not sure I going to try.Do you think OZ s meltdown is town , scum or null. Also can you say why.

All those lynches are bad. They are all town.

Vote scum with me.

Out of curiousity, what caused your read to change on me? When I was wanting to lynch Math, you were Titus is obvtown, never lynching her. Now you want me swung... wonder why that is?

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@TT, I think AP made a typo. I think he meant TFL.

@Mathblade, I get you don't want town cred for sucking but you get it. You have one game where you rightly got two scum but even then you tunnelled wrong players (Von and TerRaine) as well. That being said, I get you will not lynch townreads but there are three scum. You have two noted scumreads. Who is your third?

@Shos, I am creating a townblock to get us through lylo. You haven't done shit the entire game other thab buddy Math to push town...and that's a stretch to say you have done that.

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I don't know why AP made a typo... he is pushing a TFL lynch though so its obvious he did.

I have mum, really. I have named my reads and I am voting.

Vote Count Please

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VOTE: TFL

Compromise vote.

Math, really now you are just assuming O is town now?

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I'm really curious what my town tell is.

What's up Titus? Is TFL just a compromise vote or do you think he'll flip scum?

I'm not confident TFL will flip town. I'd rather lynch shos but getting my townreads to all vote there was fucking impossible so I'm backing off.

If TFL does flip scum, the team is likely Kiwi/shos.

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I'm not convinced of mastin's townieness. Im tempted to townread her naked opinions, but I'm really not seeing what I need to from her yet.

Then why is your vote with a potential scum vote? If you think mastin is scum then you shouldn't be voting for TFL as scum have no reason to bus at this point.

That is why you should have major alarm bells with shos.

No one is arguing he's really town and it is insanely hard to get votes there.

As compared to me. I have town defending me.

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Why is TT scum aside from the fact he's defending me and disagreeing with you? Which is pretty much what every town should do in almost every game. Don't give me gambler's fallacy that you're right just this once.

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I'm not convinced of mastin's townieness. Im tempted to townread her naked opinions, but I'm really not seeing what I need to from her yet.

Agreed with this, but I know Mastina has a pretty decent gut... unlike mine unless its a fishy vote.

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Math,don't tell me to go fish. In a sentence, tell me why TT is scum. I have no idea what is stale in your iso and what is not.

TT is town defending me.

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^^^ That post gives me the willies. I don't know why.

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Deal with it. I don't know everything.

Maybe it's the whole "if he was scum".

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We know whatever town role is does not have a guilty most likely given said role would have protection.

Rubi, TT is most likely town. His case on shos is good.

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TFL, to anyone but scums or Math, it is obvious I am town. I basically highlighted getting protective is best play. The only people disagreeing are on my wagon. Yeah my vote is on you. I didn't like your 180 on me and I still never got an answer out of you as to why. It's not enough to vote you outright but it is enough to work with AP and Mastina. If you happen to bus shos, I would unvote you and vote him.

Mastina, why is shos town?

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I am voting the biggest wagon that is not me TT or Rubicon. I make no bones about that.

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TFL, there's no secret cooperation between me and TT. We both are trying to get shos lynched. Hence my position on him and my vote goes back if I get another vote on him.
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Mastina, shos has scummy moments as town but those usually center on him pushing passionately, not being a lurk sack.

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Nope. I am just not voting my townreads. I am willing to vote nottownreads.

I say that as both alignments shos. It's a Titus is frustrated at being wagoned tell. See Playing w Elements.