Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[acryon]

Buy Tier 1
Buy Tier 3

Yeah I think this is the definite play for gear today.

Buy: Tier 1

Buy: Tier 3

VOTE: House
Because of what you did to me in our last game.

[acryon]

Buy Tier 1
Buy Tier 3

Yeah I think this is the definite play for gear today.

Buy: Tier 1

Buy: Tier 3

VOTE: House
Because of what you did to me in our last game.

VOTE: acryon

Ultimate cross-gaming OMGUS is ultimate.

Hey if the scum fits.

And just to make it clear then:

Buy: Tier 3

[acryon]

A vig is a lot better than a cop.

This is scum-think. A vig shot before a cop? Right, because what townie wants to actually know a player's alignment before they kill them?

But it would never work like this. If the cop red-checks someone and decides to out himself, we just lynch them, so the two aren't really related.

I think cops are generally overvalued. Every green-check ends up being useless unless the stars align, and if we do get a red-check, we then lose our PR. On top of this, the skill ceiling is much higher on a vig, so there

is

a greater risk, but a much better reward.

[acryon]

Let's keep in mind we don't get to pick which role is purchased in the tier, it's random. We probably

won't

get cop if we buy Tier 1.

Buy: Tier 3

True story. Tier 3 gets us either a Vig or a JK. And Tier 1 gets us a 1/3 chance of a cop and a 2/3 chance of a crappy cop.

[acryon]

And we won't necessarily get vig if we vote tier 3, so...

JK is also quite good.

Why do people dismiss Tier 2???
We need the doctors and the bodyguards...

BUY TIER 2

Also, maybe I haven't understood but everyone who bought a tier rolls for that specific tier right?
Damn if true we need more Tier 2, we need to hide the protective role

From what I understand it just goes to the person who has the highest roll. Regardless of what they voted for, it is up to what the town collectively votes for.

And you don't catch scum with protective roles.

[acryon]

My question is that is it possible for scum to get the gear? Since it states randomly chosen based on a roll, does that mean an ungeared scum could get the item\power? Or did I miss something?

I think they can, although I'm not sure. But given the odds, I think we just have to choose what's best for town either way.

[acryon]

Oh and Jailor is awesome too and can seriously help win a game. Does jailor in this version have a "execute" function?

My understanding is that it's functionally a jailkeeper.

@Mod: Could we get working definitions of the roles we can roll on?

[acryon]

I'm assuming the scum roles have a different name than the town roles.

That's an interesting assumption.

[acryon]

JK is also quite good.

and why is that better than an investigation?

I don't necessarily think it's better than an investigation, but I definitely think a 50/50 JK/Vig is better than a 1/3 chance at a cop or the others.

[acryon]

I'm assuming the scum roles have a different name than the town roles.

That's an interesting assumption.

This is my first theme game, but isn't that always the case? I've never played a game where the opposing alignments had the same role title.

Well mod said we were all in the same guild, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to think even scum would be "ungeared raiders" that were scum-sided.

[acryon]

Vote: Nero Cain

vig is more likely to hit to than scum. I just feel as if town is better served with investigations early on.

That's not unreasonable, but do you think a 1/3 chance at cop is better than a 50/50 chance of Vig/JK?

[acryon]

no but that's also a stupid question. Obviously 50/50 are better odds than 33% but the question is which kind of powers serve town the best.

That's not a stupid question. 50/50 odds might as well be a 0% chance if it's something you don't want. It's the probability combined with the power/usefulness of the role. It's a legitimate question.

[acryon]

I would have fun with t3 but night 1 vig idiot es no bueno

I agree with the last part, it's risky

But so is a 1/3 for a decent role as opposed to a 2/2 on great roles

Agreed.

buy tier 1

Until we flip a goon we don't want to risk the Vig.

I don't like eyestott early. He seems to be fishing both in his gnome post and in his follow up.

VOTE: eyestot

Part of me wants to agree, but the other part feels like this is a reach.

Oh and eyestott are you a Sylar fan or also a Zachary Quinto fan?

Asking the important questions.

Regardless of whether we buy T1 or T3, T2 should be tomorrow's vote. If we luck out and land a doctor, our first PR can out themselves for conf town & ask for protection. Though how we'd know without exposing the doc, I'm fuzzy on. =/

I was going through a similar scenario in my head, but it just doesn't work. The randomness of the rolls is interesting to work around, but ultimately it means we can't really plan for anything like that. I think we have to assume worst-case scenario for each tier and decide based on that.

[acryon]

The only meaningful PR is the vig.

I'm assuming this is hyperbolic, but we do seem to agree on its usefulness more than most others.

[acryon]

Rampage's single-mindedness sort of freaks me out a bit.

Unvote Tier Thing

acronym, my usual approach is to ask a ton of questions, some game related and some not, and get a "voice" for each player to intuit off but you're lucky I've decided to try being more analytic this game.

What are you an acronym for or of?

Lol, it's "acryon", not "acronym." And Acryon was just my first and main WoW character's name, and I just it because I thought it sounded like a cool fantasy name. Turns out no one can spell it or pronounce, and instead I get called acronym and crayon.

[acryon]

Edit: It's okay. I have seen no less than 10 misspellings of my username on MS.

[acryon]

Crayon. I like it.

Noooooo. That's what one of my previous raid guilds always called me.

[acryon]

Crayon. I like it.

Noooooo. That's what one of my previous raid guilds always called me.

Acryon ( we can do this properly although "a crayon" is kind of cute with all the puns and stuff you could make) Do you agree with Rampage on the Tier thing and if so why?

I believe that Tier 3 is the best option. I think that a 50% chance of either JK or Vig is overall better for the town than a 33% chance of Doc or the weaker alternatives. Yes, vig is risky, but it is also very powerful. I don't necessarily agree with the apparent sentiment that the other roles are useless in comparison to Vig, or even that Vig is multiple leagues better, but I do think given the options, Tier 3 is the best for town.

[acryon]

Scum fear the vig. That's why they don't want to buy it.

There's obviously some of this coming from town as well, but I wouldn't be shocked if there were at least a couple scum among those against it.

[acryon]

an infinitive shot vig is p cool and yes, it will have seeable results but no way are we vigging each night. An investigation we WILL be using each night and therefore I think its the best one to have early. And honestly? Its not like we don't get to buy again so we can buy a potential vig if we want tomorrow. This whole "we have to buy it TODAY!" seems quite silly. Between ABR and elusive I can't tell if they are trigger happy town or scum that wants a vig to help them. Even if they don't control the vig it produces dead bodies and that's what scum need. dead bodies. But I actually like a few things that elusive has said so ABR is our d1 lynch you guys.

vote:ABR

Why did you leave me out of this? I've been pushing for vig since page 1.

[acryon]

Oh a fun question for all players, town. Scum don't have to answer if they don't want to but I'd love town to respond:

If you could vigilante kill anyone in the game right now, who would you day murder and why?

No one should answer this. I think it gives way too much information to scum.

[acryon]

I've been intentionally avoiding questions regarding setup speculation. In general the balance of information is critical to the dynamic aspect of Mafiacraft, some players will have more than others. However, this informational divide is not intended to hurt a players chances of playing their own role effectively. As a rule, if you have a question about how your specific role interacts with certain mechanics in the game you should bold your question in-thread or PM me directly. You're still welcome to form theories about the other classes/races/alignments as you wish, but I can't give definitive answers one way or the other - these things will become clear with time.

Also a big shoutout to the manager of our R&D team, ika. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to make Mafiacraft run smoothly so we're lucky to have his talent and support.

-killerjester
Lead Developer

Patch 1.1.2 Vote Count

ABR (3):

House,

Ozgin

, Nero Cain

House (2):

acryon, ABR

Nero Cain (1):

elusive

eyestott (1):

GGG

Not Voting (6):

TheFuzzylogic99, Xombie, bankaikiller, TroubledTownie, eyestott, kiwieagle

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Tier 1 (8):

House, Nero Cain, TroubledTownie,

Ozgin

, eyestott, TheFuzzylogic99, GGG, bankaikiller

Tier 3 (3):

ABR, acryon, Xombie

Tier 2 (1):

kiwieagle

Deadline: Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-02-10 11:40:00).

Why is Ozgin orange?

[acryon]

Oh a fun question for all players, town. Scum don't have to answer if they don't want to but I'd love town to respond:

If you could vigilante kill anyone in the game right now, who would you day murder and why?

No one should answer this. I think it gives way too much information to scum.

What? Why?

To me it tells who people read as their top scum suspect right now?

There's a reason everyone isn't just constantly posting reads lists. There is a place to give a reads list, but especially this early in the game, some information needs to stay close to the chest.

[acryon]

And people not answering are scummy?

Well that's just silly. Obviously everyone would just answer. Why would scum

not

answer there?

[acryon]

No one should answer this. I think it gives way too much information to scum.

Do you think she is asking this as town or scum. I'd also kill ABR or acron

I think she is probably asking as town, but that doesn't mean it has to be right.

I think people should push who they want to push at this point in the game, but I don't think I like the idea of everyone just throwing out who they would lynch right now. I think it would do more harm than good at this point, especially due to how undeveloped most of the players' reads would be.

[acryon]

but especially this early in the game, some information needs to stay close to the chest.

by that same logic no one should vote.

I said

some

, not all. And there is more significance in the building of a wagon with votes. We can determine things from that. Everyone just saying who their biggest suspect is doesn't tell us much at all at this point in the game. It

does

give scum information to work off of.

[acryon]

everyone would vig their top scumspect....its not really giving anything away.

No one is arguing that. But again, there is a difference between votes building up and everyone just saying who their top scumspect is. How does it benefit town at all? I can tell you how it benefits scum.

[acryon]

Did it ever accrue to you that maybe, one of our racial roles, can scum kill

The fact that anyone could choose their own race meaning there could be multiples makes me think this is almost definitely not the case.

[acryon]

Well, if Albert is confirmed supper tracker, whatever, then maybe we just don't have kill roles, and only non killing ones, I we as probably delving too much into the actual class specifics. Like a priest heals, warrior fights or w.e

Are you a troll?

[acryon]

No I'm not a troll. I just mis read his tracker post HARD I though he was talking about his role specifically, my bad lol.

Well I looked at your other game you died in and I'm hoping we don't get the same treatment here.

[acryon]

Btw... My ability can tell me who are the same race as me, if when they activate their power. that's my only hint I'll give, it's actually quite useful, but probably nowhere near as useful as the rest of the classes

How would that be at all helpful? Can't either side be any race?

And no acryon, I'm playing this game with respect, and dedication, I really like this theme

Sounds good

[acryon]

We're going to get an investigative role and they will get NK'd night 1. At least with a vig shot they get a chance at killing scum before they croak.

Right, because it's not like a vig could be NK'ed night 1 just as easily as any other PR.

Tryhard.

What do you think of ABR's game and alignment here?

[acryon]

I have already told you all you need to know is located here

This just strengthens my assumption that only pro-town players are

Ungeared Raiders

. Everything we need is in that post if we look carefully.

Gearing Up!

There is no limit on the amount of times

the town

can purchase from a Tier.

I think the wording in these posts is carefully deliberate. These are pro-town roles, I don't think they would go to scum.

When gear has been bought it will go to the

Ungeared Raider

with the highest-roll on a d100 loot system.

Specifically mentioning the role-name we have in the example role PM.

Once a player has been "geared" they may not receive additional powers, and no rerolls are allowed so choose wisely.

Uses the word player instead of Ungeared Raider. This rule would apply to all players, where the previous one only applies to pro-town Ungeared Raiders.

RAIDERS

- Begin Day1 with 20 Raid Tokens

Specifying the Raiders group. Implies there are other groups.

This all seems correct. So scum can't get gear at least through our voting.

[acryon]

We're going to get an investigative role and they will get NK'd night 1. At least with a vig shot they get a chance at killing scum before they croak.

Right, because it's not like a vig could be NK'ed night 1 just as easily as any other PR.

Tryhard.

What do you think of ABR's game and alignment here?

Haven't I been clear about that?

I'm reading his vig push as scummy. He's being way too manipulative with it, unlike your own support of it where you are discussing all the options (though you clearly favor the vig shot).

Well that "tryhard" reply from you read jokey, and you initially voted him very early on, so I was seeing where you are at with him right now.

It's hard to imagine that he's not being hyperbolic, but I don't really get even the town motivation for doing that.

[acryon]

acryon, I'm still not sure why you shut down discussion that could have been interesting so I'll keep an eye on you little crayon. What color are you?

I'm all for interesting when it's benefiting town more than scum, but I didn't think that it would. If you have a good argument for how it would, I'm open to it.

As for color, probably blue, like my Draenei.

[acryon]

So much ninja'ing.

Acryon,
How does everyone putting reads out of some sort benefit scum more then town? Walk me through like I have a little itsy bitsy brain.

This early in the game, when people have said so little, if it is clear scum is pinging players, they can still adjust their play without drawing too much attention. If they see a townie is being scum-read by multiple people, they can work to push the mislynch in a certain direction with less resistance. These are legitimate benefits for scum. Now what are the benefits for town?

[acryon]

acryion vote bankaikiller

Is he scum?

[acryon]

Ok, acryon, I see sort of what you're saying although it implies that people would be able to massively shift their game play without garnering attention. It would certainly get my attention.

Well that's sort of my point. Not everyone would be able to shift their game play, but half of the players have 10 or less posts, and I think it wouldn't be hard for them to do.

My thinking is that town and scum have to commit to one person reading as scummy to them which is useful for analyzing wagons and later play\flips\alignment.

The problem with this is that it actually only punishes town. It is really early to have a strong read, so if town have an immature read, they are stuck with it out of fear of being demonized later on if they switch. I don't like that. It's just not a good way to find scum.

I think we already have a good bit to talk about now. We have several votes going, we are talking motives and intentions. I don't think we need a mass suspect list to stimulate discussion. I think it's already happening organically.

[acryon]

We need more bandwagons.

This Day 1 play and mindset from you is dangerously similar to a game with Thor recently where he was scum.

[acryon]

He plays like that as town too.

I've heard that, but never seen it. I think it's just a bit jarring, and I don't know that I 100% agree, but I do get the idea behind it.

[acryon]

VOTE: Bankaikiller

[acryon]

Oh, these are more questions

all for town

and hopefully acryon approves:
1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

These are just fine

1. It's from the manga Liar Game, and I chose it because the character and slogan in it says a lot about this game as well.

2. First WoW character, and it's normally not taken.

3. Used to play at cons a lot ~8 or 9 years ago. Started playing online in June.

4. Having my scumbuddies lynched D1 and D2, and winning.

5. Losing in LyLo as town

It's bad because I'm laughing but also because I so want him dead tho. Like legit straight up under the ground dead. Like if I were the Vig right now he\it\she would be in the grave.

See we do need a vig

Ok so ABR is getting fooled by the classic newbie card. Ok see let me explain.

I know this because thats how I use to play scum.

Appear like a newbie fool and then everyone ignores me and just laughs. Coast on to victory.
I can even link you where I did that if anyone really wants to know.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19288
(oof the nostalgia)

Unfortunately for us, I think he is almost definitely town actually. But for the love of all that is good bankai, start using your head in this game and stop calling everyone scum. Focus.

I don't understand why anyone is revealing their race or class. Literally zero benefit to town.

Having thought about it, jailer is actually the best kind of two roles in one combo. So, yeah discuss that.

that makes it so much better! I still would take an investigation role over a jailkeep anyday. You wouldn't exactly know if you had blocked a shot or protected. but if you want the protection aspect of it why not just go for normal doc?

Because JK essentially gets two chances of protecting each night (hitting scum or the townie getting shot).

VOTE: bankaikiller

Poor reaction to the votes as they piled on, instant OMGUS-voting anybody who voted for him, and showing emotion/insults that don't match early posting. Seems too sensitive to early accusations.

Why is this not him being town/VI?

Also,

Unvote: Tier 3

Because recent events pretty much just sealed the whole 'vig in the wrong hands' argument.

I actually completely agree. No way we can risk having a vig shot in the hands of some of these people.

Unbuy: Tier 3

Buy: Tier 1

UNVOTE:

[acryon]

Seriously? Participating in RQT? Why would you do that, especially this far into the game?

*checks the forum*

This isn't Road to Rome... you should know better.

Well I shot down her first question, so I thought it would be rude to leave these ones unanswered.

It's bad because I'm laughing but also because I so want him dead tho. Like legit straight up under the ground dead. Like if I were the Vig right now he\it\she would be in the grave.

See we do need a vig

Wait... we need a vig, but...

At the point of reading that post, I still wanted a vig. I was also being jokey, hence the smiley.

Also,

Unvote: Tier 3

Because recent events pretty much just sealed the whole 'vig in the wrong hands' argument.

I actually completely agree. No way we can risk having a vig shot in the hands of some of these people.

Unbuy: Tier 3

Buy: Tier 1

UNVOTE:

What?

I mean, I appreciate the flip and all, but I have to wonder why you're not being consistent in the very same post.

Again, I was just going through the thread and adding comments as I went. I don't like going back and erasing things just because my mind changes later on. Xombie had a really great point, and as much as I

would

like a vig and still think it is best, vig shot in the hands of someone like banka could ruin us.

Having thought about it, jailer is actually the best kind of two roles in one combo. So, yeah discuss that.

that makes it so much better! I still would take an investigation role over a jailkeep anyday. You wouldn't exactly know if you had blocked a shot or protected. but if you want the protection aspect of it why not just go for normal doc?

Because JK essentially gets two chances of protecting each night (hitting scum or the townie getting shot).

Well... which is it?

This is a theory talk, not my opinion. And like I said, Vig

is

better than doc or the other alternatives, but we unfortunately just can't have it in this game at this point.

[acryon]

This is a theory talk, not my opinion. And like I said, Vig

is

better than doc or the other alternatives, but we unfortunately just can't have it in this game at this point.

Well, thanks for coming around.

I can be stubborn, but I like to think I am smart enough to know when I'm wrong and admit it (I'm not always smart enough to do this).

When we do get a vig shot, we should also do a vig vote alongside lynch votes.

I'm inclined to agree with this, although I think whether we want the scum involved in two different votes a day may change if there are too many of them left.

[acryon]

It's plain to see that he's a scumbag.

Then why are you voting Nero?

[acryon]

His buddy.

How confident are you about each?

[acryon]

That question is extremely scummy.

Unvote, vote acryon

What?

Maybe it's just the tone, but I have the hardest time playing with people like you and Thor. Now Thor was scum both times, so it was a little easier to just lynch him, but I have a feeling you might be town, so I'm not sure what to do with that.

[acryon]

That question is extremely scummy.

Unvote, vote acryon

What?

Maybe it's just the tone, but I have the hardest time playing with people like you and Thor. Now Thor was scum both times, so it was a little easier to just lynch him, but I have a feeling you might be town, so I'm not sure what to do with that.

Relax, he's scum.

That would actually make me feel better.

[acryon]

This is also scum. The argument that town should be consistent is false. Townies don't know who the scum and town are so their thoughts will evolve and change and not always fluidly. So pointing to confidence and consistency as a town trait is pretty scummy especially while at the same time scum reading someone for doing the opisite of your behaviour.

I agree here about this statement from Ozgin.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the scumminess from elusive. She's clearly rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, and I get how that feels, but it doesn't make her scummy. I think people are bringing a little too much emotion into it.

@ABR: Just so I know what to expect: Do you generally like to provide actually cases and analysis, or just all hard-pushing? (there's value in both, but it would help if I knew you weren't planning on doing the former)

[acryon]

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?

Yep, not voting elusive. That

is

a pretty convincing kiwi case however.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kiwieagle

[acryon]

Lynch me tomorrow if elusive flips town.

Come on people. Stop saying this kind of crap; it's anti-town.

[acryon]

I'm not even kidding. She is scum and you're just holding out on a vote is going to cost us.

Considering you've voted for almost half the playerbase with this same confidence I'm going to have to call BS on this one.

[acryon]

She FREAKED OUT when she thought I was calling her scummy when I was answering her question. Then she flipped out and acted waaaay overdefensive like noob scum all over the recent pages. It's 100% obvious if you read.

I agree with you on this... that post was weird. The tone is different from elusive's tone in response to kiwi's accusations. I see two possibilites.

1 - Town elusive forgot the question she asked ABR 30 minutes earlier.
2 - Scum elusive was already in defensive mode against Kiwi and saw someone else coming after her... overreacted.

Number 2 seems much more likely to me.

VOTE: elusive

BTW, I read through some of ABR's theory posts linked on his wiki, so I understand now what he's doing. I have him at a null read now.

ABR is almost definitely town, and I get what he's doing, but I'd be interested in knowing the success rate. I just don't see Elusive as scum here. It's clear she's not a newb, so I don't buy that she was acting like newb-scum. Read a lot more like annoyed town to me.

[acryon]

By my count that is L-1. Please request a claim before anyone thinks about hammering.

The lack of resistance to this wagon should make people more concerned than they seem to be.

[acryon]

By my count that is L-1. Please request a claim before anyone thinks about hammering.

The lack of resistance to this wagon should make people more concerned than they seem to be.

Did you count House twice? He was already on the wagon.

As of 393 GGG was voting Elusive (1), then came kiwi (2), then ABR (3), then House (4), then TroubledTowni (5), (then House again), then banka (6).

[acryon]

Ninja'd by the mod.

[acryon]

@Kiwi: I think that it's kind of silly to act like it's ridiculous elusive thought you were being emotional, because I also thought you were. An increase in caps and expletives tend to point toward getting emotional. Obviously this isn't a blanket statement, but it's certainly reasonable to believe you were getting emotional. That being said, your answers to all of her points has convinced me that this is most likely TvT.

Maybe I'm just being an idiot, but elusive has just not been pinging me

at all

. Usually I have at least an inkling, but I just think that girl is town.

[acryon]

Or do you have "techincal errors"?
You better now wait for the weekend and then claim
"BUT LOOK AT MY SIG!! IT SAYS V/LA!!!"

I'm sorry, but is this not getting emotional?

But for the record, I do go V/LA on weekends in about an hour.

@Mod: V/LA until Monday

[acryon]

What do you make of the fact that there has been so little resistance to the elusive wagon?

[acryon]

hammer

I am certainly not going to hammer without a claim, and I don't think she's around so I likely wouldn't get that in time even if I asked for it. Someone else is going to have to do that for you.

[acryon]

We're all ungeared raiders, waiting for a claim isn't useful in this game.

I suppose that's true. Either way, I don't think she's town, so I won't be hammering. But I do think she at least deserves some last words of convincing before someone hammers her.

[acryon]

Acryon you prick you better not cop out right now

Youd be the second fool who refuses to answer me

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

That's fine, which is why I think you're town, but it's silly to act like it doesn't at least

look

emotional.

I don't have a case for you. Did I go over your ISO and look for a quote to corroborate every piece of her case? Of course not. Did I think she made some, at the very least, interesting points that I think were worth pursuing either way? Yep, which is why I voted you.

[acryon]

I'm not dodging you, so you can relax with the foaming at the mouth. You have to give a person a few minutes to post.

[acryon]

I suppose that's true.

Either way, I don't think she's town, so I won't be hammering.

Annnnd we've got our second scum.

Obviously I meant scum.

[acryon]

So you think I am town and are voting me?
Thats worse than voting me for no reason.
Damn its like dumb and dumber here

UNVOTE:

I should have unvoted you and just forgot.

[acryon]

I sincerely hope this day ends before people can switch to Tier 3. God forbid people listen to you and we lose another 2 townies overnight.

[acryon]

As much as I am hoping for elusive to flip scum as her lynch is looking inevitable, I can't imagine being in a game where the town feels obliged to follow ABR and kiwi on things because of their rightness on elusive.

[acryon]

Acryon just fucking left the scene and once again no one wants to answer me.
Acryon did like a 720 in a span of minutes

Come on guys; let's be reasonable here.

[acryon]

t3 votes on D1 is a scumclaim.

Yes, please don't tell me people are going to start thinking this is actually a good idea at this point just because they're in ABR sheep-mode.

[acryon]

its not going to win
Stop being cry babies

Not enough time nor support

Hopefully not

[acryon]

Nero Cain, top of my list of scum. Acryon second. I can't believe I'm saying this, but elusive seems just about as town as my top townread kiwi.

Ok, this kind of turnaround on elusive is absurd. I still don't think you're scum, but your play just seems so bad. Clean it up Albert.

I personally don't feel I have ever gotten emotional but after like 5 people told me I was getting emotional then I came to accept thats how I play.

If I had to choose, then I would choose I never got emotional though.

You don't seem like the type that accepts others' projections on you.

@acryon: do you feel your responses to #240 in post 387 achieved anything? Eg. Helped you read others or helped others read you? How?

I think those kinds of questions help get everyone to participate, and help people open up and become more comfortable, which I think facilitates better scumhunting. Directly, I don't think it helps reads, but these kinds of questions (in small quantities) can help the game overall.

Don't have much time now, but I'll try to give my views later today or tomorrow.

[acryon]

Sorry for the lack of activity. It's going to be a few days before I'm able to pop in as much as I can (although it won't be nearly as much as I like).st like normal, but I'll still try to jump in).

[acryon]

Ugh, sorry guys this is a really busy week, so I won't be able to post much. I will try my best to give a good post tomorrow.

[acryon]

I'm really sorry guys. Been crazy at work and now I have the flu, so I'm unfortunately going to ask for a replacement in a couple of my games. Just not fair to the game.

@Mod: Request replacement