Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[Xombie]

Buy: Tier 3

Everything else is boring

[Xombie]

There is no limit on the amount of times

the town

can purchase from a Tier.

[Xombie]

That'd be pretty whack if scum could get the power
I think they just vote for show here

[Xombie]

WTB DKP

[Xombie]

It's just raiding 101.
Who wants Tier 1 when we can have Tier 3!?

Why cry our eyes out in LFR when we can wipe the floor in Mythic?

With 20 tokens, even if we got the Tier 1 both D1(8) and D2(8), it would still mean we would need a scum lynch to even be able to purchase anything come D3. And it would STILL be another Tier 1.

[Xombie]

I'd be all for a vig on D3 or later where we have more information, but there's no way I want to put that out there right off the bat.

I agree with this though but just because we have it doesn't mean it needs to be used right away either
And it also doesn't take into consideration that a vig isn't guaranteed and that a jailor isn't some BOE green either

[Xombie]

Okay yeah, my math sucks but still lol

[Xombie]

Are we a progression guild or ARE WE A PROGRESSION GUILD.

[Xombie]

Hmm, already seeing some really interesting uh, "conversations" here.

But after reading it,

Buy Tier 1

VOTE: ABR

Playing it safe?

[Xombie]

I wonder how the rolling is going to work, too
I have crap luck for rolling ingame
Greedy/Needy achieve eludes me

[Xombie]

Early game, i think investigatives are more viable than killing roles.

Tier:1

is anyone else a gnome?

/punt

[Xombie]

Early game, i think investigatives are more viable than killing roles.

Tier:1

is anyone else a gnome?

/punt

xombie plz

Hey man, you picked it. lol

[Xombie]

I would have fun with t3 but night 1 vig idiot es no bueno

I agree with the last part, it's risky

But so is a 1/3 for a decent role as opposed to a 2/2 on great roles

[Xombie]

Hmm. Didn't answer 1 BUT:

That may be because they have their own voting/purchasing/receiving scenario that doesn't involve ours

Because 3 states 'eligible players'

[Xombie]

is anyone else a gnome?

This has me thinking too
Kind of wondering if it's a good or bad thing to be outing

[Xombie]

Xombie- don't think its either . At this point of the game I see it as a neutral move since it could benefit either side

Nah, I'm not saying eyestott is either more or less town or scum for giving out his own race.
I'm more cautioning against

everyone

outing.

I'm guessing that, like game, each race has its own racial and I think it gives too much information to scum as to who might have which racial.
And maybe even help them make a more informed decision on who to kill if they know

Say some scenario like:

That the only person to chose Orc was Townie A
And that the only person besides Scum A to chose Tauren was Townie B
They look at their own racial for Tauren and determine it's pretty crap compared to leaving an unknown racial out there.
So they kill Townie A.

Not sure if that makes much sense but was the best way I could explain what I was thinking.

[Xombie]

I got a bad rub from you.

Well you shouldn't WANT a rub from ABR in the first place.

[Xombie]

^

[Xombie]

I don't think it's a scenario where scum don't get gear.
I think it's more a scenario where they don't get TOWN gear.
I think the reason it's not answered, as stated here:

@killerjester aka Lead Developer, can you clarify any of the following:
1. It states that "There is no limit on the amount of times the town can purchase from a Tier. When gear has been bought it will go to the Ungeared Raider with the highest-roll on a d100 loot system. " - Does this mean that scum are excluded from voting\purchasing and receiving gear?
2. Will the player who is "geared" learn of this privately or publicly?
3. How does rolling work? Is that done on the developer or player side?

2. Privately
3. Our servers will automatically roll loot for any eligible players using 1d100 dice tags (ties are resolved by a 2nd roll)

-killerjester
Lead Developer

is because:

Hmm. Didn't answer 1 BUT:

That may be because they have their own voting/purchasing/receiving scenario that doesn't involve ours

Because 3 states 'eligible players'

I think they probably have their own system for gear but that they're not 'eligible' for ours because this:

There is no limit on the amount of times

the town

can purchase from a Tier.

Suggests town and I think 'Ungeared Raiders' does too because I feel like scum probably has their own name outside of that.


Actually, Nero Cain's point on negative consequences makes me think it may even be something like if we buy from Tier 3 and spend 12 points, that's the amount of points they get to spend on their own Tier.

Or they get a set skill dependent on what we chose.

Like if we select Tier 1, they get a rolecop.
If we select Tier 2, they get a roleblocker.
If we select Tier 3, they get a commuter.

Or something.
Hmm.

[Xombie]

Scum. Henceforth known as trash mobs. lol

[Xombie]

If they get something dependent on what we spend, it might be better to pick from a lower tier.
BUT I WANT A CHANCE AT VIG DAMNIT.

[Xombie]

[Xombie]

Idk. I like Tier 3.
Go big or go erp in Goldshire.

[Xombie]

What possible benefit would there be to the scum knowing if someone else is a gnome?

We already went over that.

[Xombie]

INFINITE SHOT VIG?
...
.....
/drool

[Xombie]

I think those wanting vig shot are tunnel-visioned on the best case scenario... it landing on a player equipped to use it.

But then, what if it doesn't? I can think of a couple people (myself included) that I wouldn't want to have the vig shot, especially in the early game.

It's a double-edged sword, but it seems some folks only want to look at possible benefits without considering the drawbacks of a bad vig.

It's not like the vig can out themselves and ask for advice & protection... there's no doctor!

Regardless of whether we buy T1 or T3, T2 should be tomorrow's vote. If we luck out and land a doctor, our first PR can out themselves for conf town & ask for protection. Though how we'd know without exposing the doc, I'm fuzzy on. =/

I am tunnel-visioned on it landing on me, yes.

I've thought about the drawbacks. I've noted that it's risky. Have you 'considered the drawbacks' of a crapshot 1/3 for cop?

I think a vig in the wrong hands could cost us the game but it could also WIN us the game. I would think scum would be more worried about us getting a vig or a jailor.

If I wanted a play it safe scenario, I'd have

joined the newbie queue

logged in on Moonguard and raided the naked nelfs. I don't. I want to kick ass AND have fun, and that means Tier 3.

So buff up. Put your big boy pants on and let's get this done!

[Xombie]

buy tier 1

Until we flip a goon we don't want to risk the Vig.

I don't like eyestott early. He seems to be fishing both in his gnome post and in his follow up.

VOTE: eyestot

Part of me wants to agree, but the other part feels like this is a reach.

Agreed.

an infinitive shot vig is p cool and yes, it will have seeable results but no way are we vigging each night. An investigation we WILL be using each night and therefore I think its the best one to have early. And honestly? Its not like we don't get to buy again so we can buy a potential vig if we want tomorrow. This whole "we have to buy it TODAY!" seems quite silly. Between ABR and elusive I can't tell if they are trigger happy town or scum that wants a vig to help them. Even if they don't control the vig it produces dead bodies and that's what scum need. dead bodies. But I actually like a few things that elusive has said so ABR is our d1 lynch you guys.

vote:ABR

I find it interesting that you only call out elusive and ABR out for this. I'm kind of sad at the no-mention.
And no, he's not.

Did it ever accrue to you that maybe, one of our racial roles, can scum kill

The fact that anyone could choose their own race meaning there could be multiples makes me think this is almost definitely not the case.

Btw... My ability can tell me who are the same race as me, if when they activate their power. that's my only hint I'll give, it's actually quite useful, but probably nowhere near as useful as the rest of the classes

...

[Xombie]

Oh, these are more questions

all for town

and hopefully acryon approves:
1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

1. Wow. Because it goes with the name.
2. Wow username. lol Zombies. Undead. Superior race.
3. I can still count on two hands.
4. Fakeclaiming as scum and winning.
5. Any time I see a miller.

[Xombie]

I'm torn between Ozgin and bankai.

[Xombie]

And then the other half of me just wants to kill the gnome and the draenei.

[Xombie]

I'm torn between Ozgin and Nero. You raised some good points on why Nero is scum, is he on your suspect list? Or are you doing the whole thing of "I'm going to side with these guys while not attacking my scumbuddy Nero?"

EVERYONE IS.

I like you, elusive and acryon for town.

Ozgin gave me bad, bad gut reaction.
bankai and his responses don't ring genuine.
(( (PEDIT) I especially don't like his claiming his race right now, too!
VOTE: bankai))

Still sorting Nero.

[Xombie]

Thank you for responding Xombie & TroubledTownie, if I were able to miraculously roll Vigilante I would not shoot either of you tonight.

Because I answered some random questions? lol

[Xombie]

bankai is town.

You're gonna have to walk me through that one?
'Hey guis. Don't claim your shit. Gives too much info to scum. This is why...'
/bankai claims shit, giving away the nelf racial

[Xombie]

Thank you for responding Xombie & TroubledTownie, if I were able to miraculously roll Vigilante I would not shoot either of you tonight.

Because I answered some random questions? lol

Well, it means that:
1. You don't have to get your teeth pulled to respond to questions
2. It won't be a pain to (fingers crossed) hunt you down later for Q&A's or interrogations or you know all the gritty fun stuff

Hmm. I didn't expect a reply that would make that much sense. Nice.

[Xombie]

I don't even understand the point of my ability.. for cosmetic effect? and I'll reveal anything about me even if it's not much, to prove that I'm town.

It doesn't prove that you're town. We all chose our races previous to being given our roles.

Did you not read why it's

not

optimal to share our racials?

Xombie- don't think its either . At this point of the game I see it as a neutral move since it could benefit either side

Nah, I'm not saying eyestott is either more or less town or scum for giving out his own race.
I'm more cautioning against

everyone

outing.

I'm guessing that, like game, each race has its own racial and I think it gives too much information to scum as to who might have which racial.
And maybe even help them make a more informed decision on who to kill if they know

Say some scenario like:

That the only person to chose Orc was Townie A
And that the only person besides Scum A to chose Tauren was Townie B
They look at their own racial for Tauren and determine it's pretty crap compared to leaving an unknown racial out there.
So they kill Townie A.

Not sure if that makes much sense but was the best way I could explain what I was thinking.

[Xombie]

Zombie, I don't understand your stupid ass logic, my intentions are pure town, I take all your negative hostility towards me as a defining scum trait

So if town, you've basically just given away that the nelf racial is fairly crap and they don't have to worry about killing anyone with it. You're giving them information that they may not otherwise have if none of them have selected nelf as their race and helping them make informed decision on who best to kill.

If scum, you're fishing for other people to out themselves despite that it's already been said WHY THIS IS BAD.

And yet

I

have the 'stupid ass logic'?

Maybe your intentions are 'pure town' but what you're DOING is DETRIMENTAL to town.

[Xombie]

elusive has a point.

Ugh...based on that post. bankai are you a total newb?

bankai, can you answer that please?

[Xombie]

It's bad because I'm laughing but also because I so want him dead tho. Like legit straight up under the ground dead. Like if I were the Vig right now he\it\she would be in the grave.

ikr. lol

[Xombie]

BUT ABR.

He's a raid wipe in the making!

[Xombie]

What do I have to lose by revealing?

If you're scum, nothing.

If you're TOWN, I've already pointed out in two posts to you why it is bad.

I don't even understand the point of my ability.. for cosmetic effect? and I'll reveal anything about me even if it's not much, to prove that I'm town.

It doesn't prove that you're town. We all chose our races previous to being given our roles.

Did you not read why it's

not

optimal to share our racials?

Xombie- don't think its either . At this point of the game I see it as a neutral move since it could benefit either side

Nah, I'm not saying eyestott is either more or less town or scum for giving out his own race.
I'm more cautioning against

everyone

outing.

I'm guessing that, like game, each race has its own racial and I think it gives too much information to scum as to who might have which racial.
And maybe even help them make a more informed decision on who to kill if they know

Say some scenario like:

That the only person to chose Orc was Townie A
And that the only person besides Scum A to chose Tauren was Townie B
They look at their own racial for Tauren and determine it's pretty crap compared to leaving an unknown racial out there.
So they kill Townie A.

Not sure if that makes much sense but was the best way I could explain what I was thinking.

And here:

Zombie, I don't understand your stupid ass logic, my intentions are pure town, I take all your negative hostility towards me as a defining scum trait

So if town, you've basically just given away that the nelf racial is fairly crap and they don't have to worry about killing anyone with it. You're giving them information that they may not otherwise have if none of them have selected nelf as their race and helping them make informed decision on who best to kill.

If scum, you're fishing for other people to out themselves despite that it's already been said WHY THIS IS BAD.

And yet

I

have the 'stupid ass logic'?

Maybe your intentions are 'pure town' but what you're DOING is DETRIMENTAL to town.

[Xombie]

... Wow.

[Xombie]

At the

least

he's detrimental, anti-town but

UNVOTE: bankai

I think ABR may be calling it right. That, or I'm just falling for a 'too obvious to be scum' thing.

[Xombie]

Also,

Unvote: Tier 3

Because recent events pretty much just sealed the whole 'vig in the wrong hands' argument.

[Xombie]

what event?

Really? That should be obvious given my previous posts.

[Xombie]

Umm, Xombie, I see your point although it would be hilarious.

Funny, but a loss. lol

[Xombie]

I really don't like the push on elusive because fluff is scum? Or even worse, color? Seriously?

1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

We are in the midst of the game, why are you asking irrelevant questions here?

+

Also I refuse to answer those questions.
Heres a tip.
They only serve to distract and are pointless.

+

Why are you asking them NOW? Like my point is that if you wanted to get to know ppl you could have asked those same questions early game. But we are now getting into the thick of the game so I feel like you asking some questions that have nothing to do with the game is sort of a derailment.

+

Dont like elusive color or his distracting from the task at hand

I don't know which I like worse here. The tentative push. The backup. The clarification. The sheeping. Yuck.

Painting a slot as scummy and accusations of derailment because they're trying to enjoy a game? It would be one thing if that was all elusive has done up until now but it isn't.

It's also scummy because you can see that elusive actually uses it in the context of the game to relate to actions she may take based on how people answer these, as per her response to me.

And it's also singling elusive out as if they're the only player who has posted fluff, when I know just from my own posting how untrue that is.

At least elusive's questions got people talking as opposed to useless posts like:

I'm also pretty excited that this game is happening right when I got back into SWTOR

man I hope Fate is still playing he was a fun guy

or Sylvanas forbid, arguments about COLORS.

Like.

Might as well just lynch crayon because he could be any color.

Or no color because he's really acryon.

[Xombie]

Zombie, talk to me about your ABR read?

Abrasive town using votes and comments to sort by reaction.

[Xombie]

So, I havent read up.
Xpost: My 15 year old dog just had some convulsions, and will likely need to be put down. Please understand if my activity is low for a while.

So sorry to hear. Love my dogs more than I love anything so. Hope you're okay.

[Xombie]

I would be posting my defense of the random questions by now but the whole,

leash so and so and make them my pet

schpeel is so offputting, I don't really care if she gets lynched.

[Xombie]

Xombie, I don't play this game to be liked, it's why Ozgin using "nice" offended me so much. Scum are the only ones who may want to rely on nice. So you're advocating a lynch based on not liking a player over scumminess? It's unclear.

There's a big difference between not being nice and intentionally playing to be unnecessarily demeaning, offensive and rude. And that's putting it

nicely

.
It's not unclear.
I was going to defend you but since I don't really care whether you're lynched or not based on your attitude, I'm not going to bother.

[Xombie]

None of you find anything queer with acryon?

Nope.

[Xombie]

Where you at with everyone else, ABR?

[Xombie]

VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.

[Xombie]

Probably a good thing I wasn't here lol

[Xombie]

VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.

Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!

[Xombie]

VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.

Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!

If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.

I did see that too
But you not playing/being as active is not alignment indicative
Whereas
You towning it up in a game is more indicative of your scum play, as your town game is scummy as hell

[Xombie]

It actually makes more of an impact because if you were sticking to your meta, and using FFXI as an excuse, it would actually explain why you would

not

be going to the extra effort of towning it up instead of the reverse here.

[Xombie]

Sorry guys
Ill have some time to catch up in this after the game tonight

[Xombie]

Yeah, I'm not reading that little war right now

[Xombie]

@All -- Alliance or Horde pick one

Alliance here

[Xombie]

I think 1v1 would benefit the game state.

If you are town how does the death of two townies help?

You say this as if you

know

they are both town...

VOTE: Nero

[Xombie]

Oh, I think I read that whole thing wrong
That's what I get for trying a quick catchup

[Xombie]

Will reread it in the AM

[Xombie]

or you are just scum that tried to hop on a growing bandwagon by taking things out of context?

You funny

but while we are on the subject. This actually one of the reasons that I'm scum reading ABR.

Stop it, guys. This is clearly

town vs. town.

Lock your votes on Ozgen and let's get our 4 points.

If you thought I was scummy for supposedly knowing that a fight was tvt why does ABR get a pass?

If he'd said it the way I had thought you did, he wouldn't be

But I still like my vote

[Xombie]

No I don't make illegal requests to mods when scum beg me to fix their fuckup. I just vote them.

This is a scum claim.

There is no reason to lie about what race you have - it's not alignment indicative.

Even if you thought Nero was somehow confirming that Titus was lying for some unknown reason, you had the ability to confirm whether or not that was the case and instead of doing that, you just believe Nero instead of checking for yourself? I don't even care that you're doing it now because it just seems like an appeasement after being called out on it.

And it's been pointed out why it's bad to be race fishing multiple times, and yet it's as if you've read that and are narrowing down the possibilities of who could have what by asking Horde/Alliance instead.

VOTE: Mathblade

[Xombie]

ABR, come strong arm

that

and when they flip scum, kill Nero.

[Xombie]

ABR, come strong arm that and when they flip scum, kill Nero.

And if it flips town, who do you want dead?

Don't think he will.

Do you not think it odd that instead of verifying it for himself, he just auto-believes you instead?

[Xombie]

Sorry all, catching up here tonight

[Xombie]

Wtf.

Am I the only one that thinks that's absolute bullshit?

And the likelihood of even having a town that isn't a UNGEARED raider is slim to none.

ESPECIALLY when we have an option to pick Tier 3 which might actually GIVE us a vig?

Not to mention that our racials so far seem to be pretty meh, at best. But his is a vig?

Cmon.

VOTE: House

[Xombie]

We're

ungeared

raiders and he's claiming to be geared already - when how we get geared is from raiding 'tier' buys.

Why is he still alive?

[Xombie]

Like sometimes I worry that Math is whiteknighting me but House is pretty much conf scum and TT is likely his buddy for using a null tell to call him town with. I don't really like ABR lurking all the sudden. Titus can be honorary scum (and somewhat potential).

Yep.

House is confscum.
I could see TT/Titus/fuzzy with their defenses on House. Trying to sort which I could feel coming more from town than not.
Can't see ABR at all.

The important part:

House. Is. Scum.

[Xombie]

Like sometimes I worry that Math is whiteknighting me but House is pretty much conf scum and TT is likely his buddy for using a null tell to call him town with. I don't really like ABR lurking all the sudden. Titus can be honorary scum (and somewhat potential).

Yep.

House is confscum.
I could see TT/Titus/fuzzy with their defenses on House. Trying to sort which I could feel coming more from town than not.
Can't see ABR at all.

The important part:

House. Is. Scum.

So... you're going to join Nero on the derp train, ignore House's meta, and think that anybody who knows his meta is scum defending him?

Come on, that's incredibly lazy and shallow, and you know it.

No, I'm ignoring

your

'meta' of House.

Townhouse voting townhouse cause people ignore his meta. He's most likely town, so put your vote to use somewhere else.

Pedit Mathblade, he's done exactly this before. Townhouse will go from "I will fight to the very last post to prevent my mislynch" to "Screw it, *self-vote*" very quickly.

I've seen him do exactly that as scumHouse, too. And so have you.

Which is why I find it odd that you're defending it.

Even more odd that you're amounting my thoughts on House being scum solely on meta, which is not the case at all.

I think House is scum not just because of what

I

think of his meta:

VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.

Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!

If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.

I did see that too
But you not playing/being as active is not alignment indicative
Whereas
You towning it up in a game is more indicative of your scum play, as your town game is scummy as hell

But also because as I've stated, I don't believe anyone here has roles yet. I think that we all start out as

ungeared

raiders and we use the Tier buys to get PR's. I don't believe any of us were given them as roles.

[Xombie]

@TT - If I could link it, I would.

@House - I am. You.
I'm taking the information that we have been given for the setup and its design (ungeared raiders with a tier system in order to gain PR's through 'raiding') and saying you're lying to say you're already geared.
I think the only way you might be geared right now is if you're scum.

His meta read on House is hard to understand since apparently scum house and townhouse self votes, I am not sure how than House self voting is a tell for either side.

That's TT trying to say that his meta is to do it as town.
That's me pointing out that House does it as both alignments so that it's null.

Okay Xombie suppose I help lynch House and you are wrong.... should we quick lynch you than???

Sure. I don't think I'm wrong.

[Xombie]

Also using associations at this point of the game is dumb and also anti town.....

No, it's not anti-town.

When House flips scum, I'm a good candidate for the NK.
And if you have any familiarity with House, you'd see how likely it is that he is scum here.

Further.

If you have any familiarity with Titus, you'd be a little weirded out right now that she isn't trying to setup break, especially when I hand deliver a speculation that doesn't make sense for House to be a vig right now. And she hasn't even touched on it? Not even a bit of moonlogic for the masses?

So no, not anti-town at all. It's pro-town to discuss who I think House's partners are pre-flip in the event that I die and the reasons for that.

Nice try, though.

[Xombie]

Touche.

[Xombie]

Also using associations at this point of the game is dumb and also anti town.....

No, it's not anti-town.

When House flips scum, I'm a good candidate for the NK.
And if you have any familiarity with House, you'd see how likely it is that he is scum here.

Further.

If you have any familiarity with Titus, you'd be a little weirded out right now that she isn't trying to setup break, especially when I hand deliver a speculation that doesn't make sense for House to be a vig right now. And she hasn't even touched on it? Not even a bit of moonlogic for the masses?

So no, not anti-town at all. It's pro-town to discuss who I think House's partners are pre-flip in the event that I die and the reasons for that.

Nice try, though.

Setup breaking is impossible atm since I do not even know whatmy class does yet.

House being a vig is not impossible. Also, if he was a scum vig, it makes zero sense for him to claim it. I refuse to dignify any further ridiculousness this game day with a response atm.

He's not a vig!
He's not a town vig.
He's not a scum vig.

He's a scum claiming town vig to stay alive to get a mislynch through before he dies.

[Xombie]

And if you have any familiarity with House, you'd see how likely it is that he is scum here.

This is hilarious considering you have zero familiarity with me, so for you to be preaching about what does & does not make me scum is redonkulous.

I

am

an alt here, House.

[Xombie]

[Xombie]

Yep.

[Xombie]

Xombie, I have the most experience with House here. I practically taught House how to play (although he was a quick study).

Even more surprising then that you don't see that he's scum here.

[Xombie]

Honestly can Nero or Xombie explain what we loose if we wait to lynch House until day 2...

We lose an opportunity to lynch OBVSCUM in place of what will likely be a town lynch otherwise.

[Xombie]

He doesn't have a vig!
He's claiming it to stay alive so that you mislynch town instead of LYNCH SCUM.
And already preparing for coming in to tomorrow with bs reasons for why he didn't vig someone.

HOUSE.
IS.
SCUM.

[Xombie]

If you're town and you hammer yourself, I'm going to be pissed.
Don't help them.
VCA isn't going to do anything when it's already obvious your wagon is scum ridden. All it does is diminish our numbers because a no-lynch IS better than a town self-hammering.
And if they're going to lynch you anyway, MAKE THEM DO IT.

We're apparently already resigning to not lynch scum - we don't need an unnecessary town lynch to top that off. Better to wait until tomorrow when House comes in with his excuses for why he didn't vig or how scum is setting him up by no-killing at night when there's only 1 kill or whatever other dumb explanation awaits.

Hell, make the consensus to 'vig' Math - and that way it proves the VCA on their wagon AND we don't lose a town that wasn't already on the chopping block.

[Xombie]

/stopcasting
/stopcasting
/target all
/cast mind control
/vote House

[Xombie]

I am surrounded by

idiots

alliance.

[Xombie]

HAMMER

HOUSE

PLZ

[Xombie]

[Xombie]

Lynch House, and then Titus and TroubledTownie.

[Xombie]

shos hammer

Plz.
For the love of all that is Azeroth.

[Xombie]

I have 9 new wrinkles while this thread happened.

/tar pirate mollie
/cast fade

[Xombie]

This is what I think of DK's...

[Xombie]

/cast leap of faith

...on anyone not already on our side here.

LYNCH SCUM HOUSE.

For glory!
For Azeroth!
FTW!

[Xombie]

/cast leap of faith

...on anyone not already on our side here.

LYNCH SCUM HOUSE.

For glory!
For Azeroth!
FTW!

Lynch House.

FOR THE HOOOOOORDE

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[Xombie]

Okay I am going to ask agaim

Xombie
What do you make of ABR claim.... How is it different from Houses claim???

It's a fakeclaim.
And if it's not, then I definitely don't understand why he's pushing House lynch with me.

[Xombie]

Did you just hammer before I managed to read or do anything?

Don't worry, he wanted to take the opportunity to bus before anyone else decided to vote House when it really started getting strongarmed.

[Xombie]

/tar KJ
/tap

lol
I NEED TO KNOW!
This tentative /dance mode is painful!

[Xombie]

On another note, ABR needs to be ragelynched tomorrow for his fakeclaim.

Yep!

[Xombie]

And I'm going to take this moment to

/DANCE

[Xombie]

Look into ABR/Titus tomorrow.

ABR because of that fakeclaim. I was right on House. And I'm right here, too.

And Titus because

Xombie, I have the most experience with House here. I practically taught House how to play (although he was a quick study).

Even more surprising then that you don't see that he's scum here.

That would explain why I townread you...you were not scum house.

HAHAHAHA.
"I know how to read House as town because I taught him this game blah blah"
Is scum knowing he wouldn't flip scum but not expecting SK, yet trying to cover it up because "you were not scum House". Yeah, he wasn't town either.

[Xombie]

I am probably dead

BUT IT WAS SO WORTH IT

Now resume

/DANCE

[Xombie]

Look into ABR/Titus tomorrow.

ABR because of that fakeclaim. I was right on House. And I'm right here, too.

And Titus because

Xombie, I have the most experience with House here. I practically taught House how to play (although he was a quick study).

Even more surprising then that you don't see that he's scum here.

That would explain why I townread you...you were not scum house.

HAHAHAHA.
"I know how to read House as town because I taught him this game blah blah"
Is scum knowing he wouldn't flip scum but not expecting SK, yet trying to cover it up because "you were not scum House". Yeah, he wasn't town either.

I did not account for 3p. I look for scum/not scum. He was not scum, therefore town. He also was townsiding.

No, no, definitely

not

town.

You claim to know how to read him so well and yet,

VOTE: House

Engaged? Explaining things? Giving reasons for your votes? Making cases?
So very town of you, House.

Get used to it.

Changing meta or scumclaim?
Decisions!

If you've read enough of my games to know my meta, you should have also ran across the fact I've restarted playing FFXI & spend considerably less time & focus here as a result of it.

I did see that too
But you not playing/being as active is not alignment indicative
Whereas
You towning it up in a game is more indicative of your scum play, as your town game is scummy as hell

None of this pinged for you?
Why?
Because you're scum that even admits:

I did not account for 3p.

GG!

[Xombie]

3rd party serial killer ?
How can you town side?


This is a net good
Go me

Fishing for towncred here ^

Agree with this.

Considering I'm not scum, this is a net negative as you will lose a townie tonight for a loss in the town:scum ratio.

Congratulations, you fucked up.

Disagree with this.

Because you can say that you're not scum until the Tauren come home but you're still not town.

And I'll take 3p lynch any day over town.

And I definitely don't see how you can say this when I just read a game where you were 3P and were instrumental in town lynches and kills throughout the game as the only night killer, while both the mafia were the last to die besides the town that sided with you to give you the win.

[Xombie]

And I definitely don't see how you can say this when I just read a game where you were 3P and were instrumental in town lynches and kills throughout the game as the only night killer, while both the mafia were the last to die besides the town that sided with you to give you the win.

Right, now point out where I conspired with scum to kill off town and you'll have a point.

Fact is, I was scumhunting. I obviously wasn't the only player in that game lynching town every day. Quite a bit of it, my vote was sheeping.

Right, and I agree. But you

were

the one killing town at night. And while you may have been scumhunting that game as you said, you never got it right. So what I

AM

saying is that 3P is just as dangerous.

So saying that we fucked up by lynching 3p instead of scum isn't legit because that's still better than lynching town.

[Xombie]

And I definitely don't see how you can say this when I just read a game where you were 3P and were instrumental in town lynches and kills throughout the game as the only night killer, while both the mafia were the last to die besides the town that sided with you to give you the win.

Right, now point out where I conspired with scum to kill off town and you'll have a point.

Fact is, I was scumhunting. I obviously wasn't the only player in that game lynching town every day. Quite a bit of it, my vote was sheeping.

Right, and I agree. But you

were

the one killing town at night. And while you may have been scumhunting that game as you said, you never got it right. So what I

AM

saying is that 3P is just as dangerous.

So saying that we fucked up by lynching 3p instead of scum isn't legit because that's still better than lynching town.

Not when town is directing the kills, as I proffered.

Yeah, on the lynches but not the nightkills

[Xombie]

So you ended up being more dangerous to town than scum

Which is why I don't really feel like this was a fuck up like you're saying

[Xombie]

I think lynching 3p is still a good thing for town.
The only way it could even remotely be considered a fuck up is if Math is scum
And I'm not discounting that possibility
But I don't think I'll be around for that
And I still think ABR/Titus should be looked into before that

[Xombie]

And I think your 3p game lines up a lot more with your scum game than your town play.

What do you think of Titus' read on you?

[Xombie]

And I definitely don't see how you can say this when I just read a game where you were 3P and were instrumental in town lynches and kills throughout the game as the only night killer, while both the mafia were the last to die besides the town that sided with you to give you the win.

Right, now point out where I conspired with scum to kill off town and you'll have a point.

Fact is, I was scumhunting. I obviously wasn't the only player in that game lynching town every day. Quite a bit of it, my vote was sheeping.

Right, and I agree. But you

were

the one killing town at night. And while you may have been scumhunting that game as you said, you never got it right. So what I

AM

saying is that 3P is just as dangerous.

So saying that we fucked up by lynching 3p instead of scum isn't legit because that's still better than lynching town.

Not when town is directing the kills, as I proffered.

Yeah, on the lynches but not the nightkills

Directing the nightkills is exactly what I was asking town to do when I said a consensus needed to be reached on the vig shot.

Thought we were still talking about the other game there

DON'T ROLL YOUR EYES AT ME HOUSEY

[Xombie]

And I think your 3p game lines up a lot more with your scum game than your town play.

What do you think of Titus' read on you?

I think it's exactly what I fished out of her & she shouldn't be penalized for it because I blatantly dropped town tells that only those at TitusMeet should have picked up on.

Hm. If I'm still alive, I would consider this tomorrow.

[Xombie]

And I think your 3p game lines up a lot more with your scum game than your town play.

What do you think of Titus' read on you?

I think it's exactly what I fished out of her & she shouldn't be penalized for it because I blatantly dropped town tells that only those at TitusMeet should have picked up on.

Hm. If I'm still alive, I would consider this tomorrow.

Idk what it is but I trust that she might have and could see how that might have made the difference.

I still didn't like the insinuation from her that you had fed me your meta somehow but ABR would have been my goto first anyway.

[Xombie]

Alright I need to sleep because work in a few hours
But I didn't want to waste the extra twilight time in case I die

HOUSE. It was fun while it lasted!
I'd say I'm sorry for pushing your lynch... but I'm not
<3